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Author Topic: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build  (Read 10590 times)

Offline floodrod

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #210 on: May 21, 2022, 02:00:22 AM »
How does it react when you use the energy from the secondary? Like maybe dumping it across a battery or something. Just wondering if you used that flux in the core for something, if you can still get that same result? I've always wondered if there is free work to be extracted from an efficient transformer in some way.

I have a few updates. 

1.  The 0.000 anomaly was something in the power-supply as you thought.  I was able to repeat the 0.000 amp so I hooked up a 2nd amp meter.  And input was a constant 0.17 amps.  Perhaps it's a capacitor dump in the supply.

2.  I repeated the test with the new amp meter also.  Amps do not increase.  Pulsing the coil with no magnet slider near it uses the same wattage as when the slider is there and table is shaking. 

3. Pulling off the secondary is no good.  The secondary has full lenz law applied. There is a normal 180 phase difference.  So any power you pull from the secondary raises the input accordingly.  I have primary and secondary both in series to get as many turns as I can.

Other notes:

If it's doing what I think it is, the only way i will know for sure is to get my hands on another big coil and rig up a collector-only coil.  I think if I align it right with the proper stroke, I don't think it will have any bog down.

I really don't like reciprocation because any momentum it gains can not be transferred to the next cycle.  All inertia is lost between strokes.  Rotation will be difficult but I might have to go in that direction.


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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #211 on: May 21, 2022, 03:10:29 AM »
Seems like a natural progression from results. I figured you would pay for anything you drew off the secondary. But hey, worth a shot. Did it change the reaction of the slide though? I also agree, rotation seems the best way to go, but overall are you doing much different than just a complicated pulse motor? What are your advantages you are looking to exploit here? Also, have you tried holding back the slider while it is running to see if it draws more current? Maybe just freely reacting isnt really enough of a load. Kind of like a motor running at idle. Not that the slamming back and forth isnt a load at all, just sharing general thoughts keeping the mind moving around things a bit.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #212 on: May 21, 2022, 03:11:45 AM »
Here is a map-out of the entire pass..  Where we are on the sine wave, and the exact place where the helpful action is..

If you study it, you will see why rotation can get difficult.  The coil wall needs to be thick when compared to the magnet.  The only helpful place is when the blotch wall of the magnet is dead center with the coil wall on the incoming side-  until the magnet's blotch wall is lined up with the entrance edge of the iron core.  All other places are hurtful.  So 1 side of the coil's wall needs to be larger than the magnet.  The whole coil must be several times the size of the magnet.  And even then, timing is still critical.

I am thinking about making a pancake coil-  But I don't want to waste wire without knowing anything about them, how flux works, etc.  Any resources?

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #213 on: May 21, 2022, 03:19:50 AM »
Did it change the reaction of the slide though?

Not really because the power supply adjusted to compensate for the extra load.

overall are you doing much different than just a complicated pulse motor?

Trying to narrow in on an exact window of opportunity I see.  Reciprocation and rotation have different dynamics..  I tried reciprocation because I get a window on each side as opposed to one small one with rotation.

What are your advantages you are looking to exploit here?


I attached an image above of the action plan and where the window is..  I can make a video demonstrating the window- all tests say it's really legit.

have you tried holding back the slider while it is running to see if it draws more current?


Yep..  Holding it still and letting it swing has no effect on the amperage. 

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #214 on: May 21, 2022, 03:21:04 AM »
Good question. Pancake coils are another coil setup I have no experience with but have been very interested in. There are some experiments you could do maybe with just really cheap regular insulated wire as far as studying flux and general workings of it before you use expensive good wire. Maybe you have some old wire around somewhere, or maybe you can get lucky unraveling a MOT coil for free wire. Or go really small scale and rip open one of them hundreds of old flip phone wall chargers laying around and rob some wire off of the transformer in it. Just ideas to reuse junk.

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« Reply #215 on: May 21, 2022, 03:27:32 AM »
Yeah. I see what you are aiming for. Your chasing something specific and interesting. I just like to brain storm a bit, and it helps someone else who may be late to party interested in following who may pop in with a great idea at random some day.

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« Reply #216 on: May 21, 2022, 04:03:19 AM »
here is the reciprocator only working in optimal position.  Lowest power draw I could muster..

Demonstrating stopping the slider, letting it reciprocate, and removing the magnet.  All with amp draw showings on 2 meters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDunFxpKUtY

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« Reply #217 on: May 22, 2022, 12:45:19 AM »
Posting another observation on this configuration.  Take it as you will

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaNGSN7ZdzI

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #218 on: May 22, 2022, 03:04:38 AM »
I can make it do miraculous things.  Loading the coil with an 8 ohm resistor causes input wattage to drop when aligned dead center.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehydmPfe66o

But only if I make it smash a stopper on the sides.  I think it has something to do with stopping  "Over Swing". 

i think it's obvious putting the shorted coil in front of it makes it swing harder with more motion.  I think when that happens, it throws the magnet by the stator coil too far and the stator switches polarity when the magnet is still going from the momentum.  So the stator coil needs to exert more power to fight that and reverse the inertia.  But by using hard stoppers in the right place, it shuts down that inertia and allows everything to sync better..

All this is telling me I have to make it with rotation..  If that sweet spot is indeed giving the magnet more momentum when it passes, that last thins I want to do is kill that momentum and reverse it to start over.

I guess I know what I have to do

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #219 on: May 22, 2022, 10:15:23 AM »
This is very interesting. Judging by the sound, it appears to have a bit of strength to it as well. Nice find. Definitely worth looking further.

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« Reply #220 on: May 24, 2022, 01:12:44 AM »
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« Last Edit: May 24, 2022, 03:49:56 AM by floodrod »

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« Reply #221 on: June 07, 2022, 02:58:46 AM »
OK I am finding this exciting..  I plan to build this effect out in larger scale now after seeing this.

All my tests suggest rotating a magnet over only an extended core will help my rotation, not brake it.  The strongest magnetism shows to be at the edge of the coil, and the polarity does not flip if I run a magnet past the coil edge UNTIL I pass the edge of the core.  So rotating the magnet over the core only without passing the edge should assist in rotation.

I setup a sample rig and tested a few configurations.  With 2 coils (horrible spacing etc) I am able to increase RPM of the rotor by 200 RPM and lower input to the prime mover.

Am I correct that the ever damaging laws of flux braking is not affecting this setup?

Is is core saturation causing the speedup?

Or is something else happening?

Unfortunately I can not test without a core because the core is mandatory.  I need to get laminated cores and build this bigger!

See the first test here-
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfwwIPzcy_4

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« Reply #222 on: June 07, 2022, 01:25:44 PM »
I did 2 tests which show more info on this effect and in my mind, prove it's worth exploring to the fullest.

1.  It matters not which direction we rotate the rotor..  Coming towards or going away from the coil BOTH produce the same phase! And the nail in the coffin is the polarity stays the same with no flip till the next polarity changes it!  This suggests to me that rotating 1 way the coil will oppose rotation, but rotating the other way may help rotation.  See-  the test
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO9l2hhO1oI


2..  I needed to ensure I knew which polarity the core was at which end when a magnet passes it..  The core takes opposite polarity from the magnet facing it.  If the magnet is North on the right side, the core will be North on the left side.  See the test-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIWPbmQlVfU

This all tells me rotation direction AND magnet / coil placement on the core make a world of difference..  And can explain why I only saw the speedup effect in certain positions.

I have a few more bench tests to do to verify some other factors and find the absolute best placement for all.  But the results are all pointing to something promising