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And putting the rotor IN the coil is the end all be all.  You get the FULL South and North forces at peak, and both sides of the coil are optimized.

Rotor can only have 2 polarities.  N and S. 

Hi Floodrod.


I don't want to discourage you because you are learning a lot.  But you still seem to have a problem understanding Lenz.  Your example in the last post about rotating a magnet one way that doesn't cause Lenz is clearly wrong.  But you need to build it yourself so that you can understand better.  Anytime there is current generated there WILL be Lenz.  Anything you do to reduce Lenz will also reduce the ability to generate current.  Your only hope is to be able to use Lenz in a way that will help rotation.  But as far as I know,  after many many years of research by many many people including myself NO one has found a way to do that.  Maybe you will be the one to do that if you keep trying new ideas.


In your example if you rotate the magnet one way it will generate current in one direction in the coil.  If you rotate it the other way it will generate current in the coil in the opposite direction.  Either way will still generate the Lenz effect if you try to draw current from the coil.


Keep testing and experimenting.  That is the only way to get a better grasp of how things work.


Carroll

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I'm sorry, but that is not how Lenz works still. I think what you are stuck on is thinking that with the magnet inside the coil, since the poles of the magnet are opposing and the winding they each see are opposite, that this adds in the motion. Honestly, it just allows generation on both sides well. But the current that moves through the wire because of it, still opposes both sides of the magnet. Double induction, double Lenz. Lenz actually IS the current in the wire. That's what generates it. When you see a waveform on your scope, that simply means there is induction happening. That doesn't mean Lenz is not there. The fact that you see the wave at all, tells you there is Lenz there. The trick like citfa is trying to explain to you is to understand it, amd find a way to redirect it so that it aids. With the coil changes you are making, it is possible you could completely cancel Lenz. But when you do, you killed all the current because that is what creates it. No current, no Lenz, but also no power, just potential.

Edit- Captain is right. Magnet i coil= great induction but lens at full force.

.....  You were right- magnet in coil is no good. 

Everyone wants to have a useful EMF, but to cancel Lenz.
Is it possible to do the opposite, so that there is no useful EMF, but Lenz's countercurrent remains?
Just thinking out loud...

Sounds like a shorted turn or loop of superconductor and reason it will levitate in a magnetic field, doesn't it?
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Sounds like a shorted turn or loop of superconductor and reason it will levitate in a magnetic field, doesn't it?

I do not know yet.
Just trying to think outside the box.