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Author Topic: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build  (Read 8761 times)

Offline captainpecan

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #135 on: May 06, 2022, 07:04:21 AM »
Hopefully you can keep that current down a bit as well. RPM may be cool, but there is way more to the equation. After all, you can have a 100 rpm motor rip an arm off, and a 30,000 rpm motor you can stop by barely touching! I think tweaked a bit, you can get way more efficient than your adams motor with what you have learned. Keep plugging away!

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #136 on: May 06, 2022, 09:21:43 AM »

What if you replace your electromagnet with an actuator arm?  The arm would move up and down vertically and its bottom would be glued to the diaphragm of a loudspeaker. 
I have no doubt that it would work. The loudspeaker is the same electromagnet, what's the difference? If a magnet could be moved without using any energy...

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #137 on: May 06, 2022, 04:39:31 PM »
I have no doubt that it would work. The loudspeaker is the same electromagnet, what's the difference? If a magnet could be moved without using any energy...
Hi kolbacict, 

Yes, a loudspeaker coil is also an electromagnet but the big difference is that in your V gate setup the electromagnet is influenced by the rotating V gate magnets directly, giving unwanted inductions that the input power should defeat and this process (direct Lenz) normally gives under 100% efficiency or COP < 1.   

If you remove the input coil from the rotor magnets to avoid direct induction, chances are much better to reduce Lenz effect. If you wish, read through the links to the pages I gave earlier.

See this fantastic double spiral motor assembly, built by member Honk here:   

https://overunity.com/3456/f-b-d-i-s-s-m-flux-boosted-dual-induction-split-spiral-motor/msg267139/#msg267139     

and read his story on the failure first here:   

https://overunity.com/3456/f-b-d-i-s-s-m-flux-boosted-dual-induction-split-spiral-motor/msg267144/#msg267144     and then here   

https://overunity.com/3456/f-b-d-i-s-s-m-flux-boosted-dual-induction-split-spiral-motor/msg267796/#msg267796   

Gyula   

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #138 on: May 06, 2022, 11:31:17 PM »
Great Progress!!!!

Finally got it tweaked and inducing current the same way as pulsing, I can go 600+ RPM and my Power Supply input is 32 Volts, 0.00 amps!

It's been going 40 minutes now and it stays at 0.00 amps input. I am not saying it is running itself, but I am pretty sure I found my window of opportunity.  More copper and magnets and who knows!  I have a good feeling about it..

See it in action and stabilized at 0.00 amps input.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11vtctId6UY

The trick is a small 2" piece of rebar floating in the lower half off the ground by about 2".  It sucks the magnet right past the sticky point creating a nice window to collect / pulse.
Since there is no core on the top- it sails out with little resistance. And of course it is switched to only pulse / collect in the window.




Offline captainpecan

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #139 on: May 07, 2022, 12:14:14 AM »
Your power supply will say 0 amps if it is less than 10ma. You would need to hook an amp meter in line with it to know actual power consumption. But either way, it is running on very little wattage. Looking positive.

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« Reply #140 on: May 07, 2022, 12:50:28 AM »
Your power supply will say 0 amps if it is less than 10ma. You would need to hook an amp meter in line with it to know actual power consumption. But either way, it is running on very little wattage. Looking positive.

Yeah- once I am all dialed in- I will check it.. I am not saying it can run itself.  :-X

Now 1340 RPM-  More than double!   Still 0.00 Amps... (registering on PS)

Last video I only had 1 hall sensor pulsing once per rotation.  Now I am pulsing twice- once in each window per rotation..  Those are my only windows to get it to rotate in this direction.  So if it's gonna get any better- needs more copper / magnet power..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQwYI9eNLGY

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #141 on: May 07, 2022, 03:45:41 AM »
It looks like you are running that air core in that last video. I was watching a zero force motor test from tinman that showed putting the core inside it really hurt the performance. Are you seeing the same thing with this setup? Just curious. Also, is your rpm triggering only once per rotation or is it catching both magnets and it's actually half the speed shown? Looking good, just gaining info on your setup.

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« Reply #142 on: May 07, 2022, 04:25:45 AM »
It looks like you are running that air core in that last video. I was watching a zero force motor test from tinman that showed putting the core inside it really hurt the performance. Are you seeing the same thing with this setup? It is the sideways coil configuration. Just curious. Also, is your rpm triggering only once per rotation or is it catching both magnets and it's actually half the speed shown? Looking good, just gaining info on your setup.

It's happening because of a 2" piece of rebar sits in the coil about 1" from the bottom.  I have an air gap at the bottom of the core- then the 2" stub of rebar that comes up under 1/2 way the coil. Then about 40-50% of the core above that is air. About 60% of the core is air.

It's working on attraction pulses.  The rebar is in a perfect position to attract the incoming magnet (where it always gets stuck at the pole) and sends the rotor right past the sticky spot and out the top..  No stick coming in or going out really.  And the rebar stub makes it possible to go the way it never want's to go- with current.. 

If I use a full core, I can get it going as fast the other direction, but using 15X as much input power- because then it's going against current like always.. My last post used 2 trigger spots, 1 each magnet. My RPM meter was catching 1 magnet- it only works on 1 polarity. Before I read 1300+, right now I got 1050 RPM.  I been playing with the timing / sensors the last hour seeing how efficient I can get it.  I can get it going quicker, but then I am pulsing outside my window and the amps creep up a bit.  I only want to pulse in the window to keep those amps below 0.00

If the wife lets me, tomorrow I plan to wind another bifilar coil for the other side.  And get a better collection circuit hooked up so I know it's working. 

One thing I said, but I'll say again.  Getting the rotor to spin with current flow is was difficult.  It doesn't want to go in that direction.  But that little core stub floating in there solved that..

Here is a video of the whole motor setup from top to bottom.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VRG9quRn4A

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #143 on: May 07, 2022, 09:15:31 AM »
You have probably already researched a bit into it, but I keep bringing up the zero force motor. There are similarities for sure. I am not saying there is no back emf for sure yet of course as bedini claims, but I do see some key similarities here. I'm just posting this in case you have not seen it as similar designs you may follow to get ideas of small things to try with yours. The current draw sure looks way better in this video than many others I have seen with the zero force motor design, and it pretty much matches what you are seeing in your setup. I note this because something is different with the tiny current yours and bedinis draws compared to many others. There is clearly a subtle difference that makes this happen and you seem to be hitting on it as well.
https://youtu.be/w-GZerEwObo
https://youtu.be/fZVwMvFxPMg

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #144 on: May 07, 2022, 11:05:08 AM »
Gday F

I haven't read back all through the thread. Can you post the drive circuit? I may be able to suggest a way to measure the current more accurately if you like.

Also, have you thought of using an interrupted LED timing circuit? It is more accurate and more controllable, you can adjust both the timing and the length of the pulse.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #145 on: May 07, 2022, 01:35:52 PM »
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I retract some of my statements.  I am NOT rotating with current. I am going against it still.  The piece of core is just adding to the already present forces that pull the rotor through.

Russ's statements would be correct- that there would be no drag "IF" you could make your rotor rotate the way it resists. But that means no Lenz. And that "IF" is the killer... 

I don't think this can go overunity UNLESS I get it rotating the other way. 

Good learning process! 

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« Reply #146 on: May 07, 2022, 02:35:28 PM »
But I still believe that the conclusions of the coil moving past the permanent magnet better close and disclose by contacts or relay. This does not require us to spend any energy and power sources.
True, in this case, the interaction forces will be much weaker than in the case of passing current through the coil. That's what pushes us away from this method...

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #147 on: May 07, 2022, 03:17:29 PM »
But I still believe that the conclusions of the coil moving past the permanent magnet better close and disclose by contacts or relay. This does not require us to spend any energy and power sources.
True, in this case, the interaction forces will be much weaker than in the case of passing current through the coil. That's what pushes us away from this method...

Yes but I think we can never generate extra power this way.  It works to produce power efficiently with the prime mover- but we can never extract the power.  We get an ultra efficient motor that we can not tap for power.  The power we generate from the magnet passing the coil will be going opposite.  If we manage to get it to exactly balance and run with no input- as soon as you pull power, the rotor will slow and stop.  It can not cross the zero line this way and give more out than in. Because as soon as the coil's flux from the passing magnet is equal to input and passes the zero line to negative territory, the passing magnets flux over-powers the direction of flux that's making it move.

The rotor needs to spin in the same direction as current.  I can make it do it- but barely..  I'm not even going to experiment going the wrong way- because I am not looking for an efficient motor that draws minimal power. 

edit-  my original configuration works the same way as current.  It's awkward with the big rod sticking out the top- , but I can get 62 degrees of a pulse window where the pulse helps me to a degree.  My timing magnets can only use about 1/2 that window and I can get it spinning all correct (barely)..  I am next going to make a timing wheel to capture the whole window.  And when I make the next coil- I can have 2 windows (I think)..

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #148 on: May 07, 2022, 04:23:54 PM »
This is an example of spinning correctly--  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHeX6ar-22U

I am able to do even quicker using magnets on top of the rod.  This is the direction I will be going

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« Reply #149 on: May 07, 2022, 05:29:17 PM »
Let's not get discouraged if your device doesn't do the impossible. Don't forget where you started. Yes it may not be doing exactly as you had hoped. But you went from a motor than runs on 60 watts to one that runs over half as good for less than 1 watt. That's a massive step in the right direction. Also, don't be afraid to take a small win when you get one in this field. It may not be your goal, but who says the motor side has to generate the electrical energy back to make it ou? Sometimes hooking a small generator to a super efficient motor may be exactly the answer you need. 2 separate halves, working in unisom, could give you what you seek. I'm only throwing that out there because I see a partial win here and the last video seems to be an attitude change as if you are disappointed. Just don't forget what you have accomplished and learned on the way! After all, the inventor of the post it notes was actually trying to make the world's strongest super glue. But I think he ended up doing okay..