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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #120 on: May 05, 2022, 02:00:52 AM »
I also tried this way which produced 33% less volts

Edit-  It probably produced more like 50% less volts if you take into consideration the gap differences.  The dead center way had a much larger gap because I have a bolt and rod stud in the way

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #121 on: May 05, 2022, 02:53:29 AM »
Ok, that's what I thought. I'm not saying you have them wrong, because I am not sure what effect you are testing and it could be exactly what you are wanting to try. But, your energy is generated when the magnet runs perpendicular with the turns. You are running mostly in line with them. Remember running a magnet straight up the side goes right across the windings. You are having mostly the effect if you had done that same test bit ran the magnets sideways against the coil instead of up amd down. Did I explain it clear enough to understand? You can get voltage without much Amperage in that configuration typically. Is that what you are wanting?


Edit... maybe it's right. I thought your magnets were centered on the core. The shaft is below the core isn't it? So just one magnet passes across the windings?

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« Reply #122 on: May 05, 2022, 04:17:12 AM »
Edit... maybe it's right. I thought your magnets were centered on the core. The shaft is below the core isn't it? So just one magnet passes across the windings?

I tested both. Center and lower.  Center outperformed lower by a Large margin.

That was just a test- not the build. In the center should have just about the same amount of wires crossed perpendicular if I make the coil bigger than the circumference of the rotor path.  It should cut the wires at the prime voltage generation spot and wind down to parallel about when the zero line is approaching and polarity flips.  And center is the only way I can get 4 magnets to pass at once (that I can think of).

I can't think of any good reason not to have the one coil also be the prime mover. If I go that route- no need to extend it so much to the sides- because I want that end polarity juice to rotate the rotors easily. And if Russ is correct- drag is no longer a problem in this config.

I think I am decided. 1 large coil to cover the entire rotor path. Atleast double wound as you suggested. Maybe even triple. Wind around PVC pipe with a hole in the middle for a shaft to go through. 2 rotors (1 on each side). Pipe will have a hollow center so I can experiment sliding a core into each side.

I checked and current only flows 1 way in this configuration from zero point to zero point- and I can make it flow eitherway by changing rotation direction. And if sensor is positioned at zero line- I can make the rotor spin either way without problem.


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« Reply #123 on: May 05, 2022, 03:48:01 PM »
I also get a similar asymmetrical picture.
Although if you calculate the integral area of the positive and negative EMF, I think it will be symmetrical. I hope you got what I meant...
In general, it is interesting to play with this device. :)

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« Reply #124 on: May 05, 2022, 06:45:55 PM »
I have been drawing and bench testing hours on end to try to make current go the same direction as induction as Russ says is possible,  it is VERY difficult. Getting the rotor to rotate in the correct way seems almost impossible if it even is possible.  No matter how hard I try, I can not make North want to attract North.  (LOL)...

The only window I am possibly seeing is boxed in yellow.  Pulse to initiate rotation and collect only at that moment and the rotor "MIGHT" go in the direction we want which matches the current.  The sinewave reaction looks like it will work- and during a bench test powering the coil, I can get a peek of movement the right way only in those 2 spots per pass.  The entire prime collection moments all hurt rotation and I see no way to get rotation to go the way we want without opposing incoming current to induction current direction.

I am not saying it will work, but if it does- capturing window will be small and weak.  Perhaps combining this with Rus's info on harvesting the dielectric capacitance can be used to collect at peak without affecting the rotor and delivering that small burst in the window of possible opportunity.

It's either go for this method or just make a nice long coil and produce as much as I can without bringing the rotor close to the poles to hopefully minimize as much drag as I can.

Decision time

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« Reply #125 on: May 05, 2022, 07:10:38 PM »
A little edit on the above post.  I can only get the window to work on 1 side.  The repel away does not want to cooperate. See what I am saying here-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkEsGrn6FOg

Coil / core length shape might be able to be worked to increase the window size and induction amount. I need to make sure I do not ruin the direction of induced current and get that window larger while passing more of the coil in that window.  it's quite a skimpy looking window at the moment.  But a ray of hope (until I am debunked. LOL)

Edit- I am uploading a video showing there is no opposition current within that tiny window. Hang tight- will post it in a few

Edit #2- Here- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwHrrJ6Q_-A

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #126 on: May 05, 2022, 07:58:04 PM »
I also get a similar asymmetrical picture.
Although if you calculate the integral area of the positive and negative EMF, I think it will be symmetrical. I hope you got what I meant...
In general, it is interesting to play with this device. :)
The rotor you have there, did you cast that in wax, or is it resin? Looks like a nice quick easy rotor build for a specific experiment.

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« Reply #128 on: May 05, 2022, 09:12:55 PM »
I tested this on an air coil to eliminate core influence possibilities.  I can reproduce the effect with an air coil. Current wave looks all correct- and powering it, I can get movement in the direction current is flowing.

Coil does not have to be as big as I first thought. My rough tests suggest making the coil size the circumference of the rotor is about the sweet spot that will pull it in the hardest and keep the sine wave in perfect shape.

I am able to expand the window substantially by playing with the core poles and bringing the top one down and still preserving the current direction.. But that's for future experimentation.

First I need to wind a coil the right size and see if I can get rotation in the right direction with induced current. I think I can do it.

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« Reply #129 on: May 06, 2022, 12:12:32 AM »
I wound a bifilar coil and started testing.   I'm testing with paralleling the leads now- but I will try series later.  For testing I need some amperage.

 I am liking the action with 1/2 core the best.  With half a core, I can get a good 42-43 degree jolt going in the right direction.  I think I can get this jolt 2 times per rotation, so collecting just under 1/4  (about 86 degrees total) of the rotation cycle. And I can "almost" get the peak.  It seems the coil's inductance is working for me (not against) only in this nice sized window.  At other parts of the rotation, it works against me, so the coil will need to be switched off at those times.

I know I can get it to spin with this, because I made it spin in the right direction hand-timing - -  turning on / off the supply..  With a hall sensor, I can make it cook I'm sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGa1rJ4CNFU

I plan to have 2 of these coils on either side of the rotor, and 2 rotors also.  So we can times this force by about 4

Addition-  Just tried series and it works as good if not better with wayyy  less wattage

I think I am reversing Lenz with this configuration in this 42 degree window




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« Reply #130 on: May 06, 2022, 02:01:29 AM »
Yes, I can get the kick 2 times per rotation.  1 time per 1/2 cycle.

What I think is happening-  By extending the core half way down the middle- the middle core has more flux surrounding it and is more powerful than an air core pole.  The air core pole wants to hold it back and attract- but the core above also wants to attract the rotor (because it is inside and the polarity works because it's on the other side of the coils) - and the steel core is more powerful, so it overpowers the bottom pole's holding force and pulls it right through the bottom pole that restricts us.  The more induction we build- the more this action will give back..

For those thinking it's happening because the magnet is attracted to the steel- Here's a video showing this is not the case. Also a step by step showing all..  Including my theory what's happening.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZApkQde6Ym8


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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #131 on: May 06, 2022, 02:15:01 AM »
I assumed you were going to like series better as far as wattage. Have you tried hooking them in series opposite? I assume it will really hinder the performance since the magnetic field would be fighting itself, but this is all a good learning experience. Just curious if something totally out of the ordinary would happen because backwards stuff seems to work differently at times confusing us. Who knows?

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« Reply #132 on: May 06, 2022, 02:20:58 AM »
I assumed you were going to like series better as far as wattage. Have you tried hooking them in series opposite? I assume it will really hinder the performance since the magnetic field would be fighting itself, but this is all a good learning experience. Just curious if something totally out of the ordinary would happen because backwards stuff seems to work differently at times confusing us. Who knows?

Yeah I tried both ways.  One way series pulls .3 amps.  Opposite way pulls .8 amps.  The .3 watts sounds a lot better and works just as good.  Paralleling them all takes like 1.4 amps.

I am printing out a timing wheel now to glue magnets into to trigger hall sensors to collect / pulse in the window.  I chose 40 degrees collection window this first run.. 

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« Reply #133 on: May 06, 2022, 06:21:39 AM »
I have been thinking about getting a 3d printer. Do you mind sharing any info if you like yours or would have chosen something else? They are getting pretty reasonable priced now, but I don't know if the cheaper ones are worth it or not.

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« Reply #134 on: May 06, 2022, 06:45:04 AM »
I have been thinking about getting a 3d printer. Do you mind sharing any info if you like yours or would have chosen something else? They are getting pretty reasonable priced now, but I don't know if the cheaper ones are worth it or not.

I got a knockoff of an ender 3.  It's a Longer and it's OK..  The Ender 3 is cheaper than the longer now.  I replaced many parts on it but it's still chuggin away. I design in tinkercad and use cura slicer. Both free.

Regarding my motor-  I got 1 hall sensor hooked up only pulsing once per rotation and I can get up close to 300 RPM in the same direction as the input current..  I have an another entire window to pulse in to get these RPM's up. Tomorrow I will be tweaking..