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Author Topic: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build  (Read 14537 times)

Offline floodrod

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #105 on: May 04, 2022, 02:12:11 AM »
Coil aligned around dead center.  Horrible spacing as I have a bolt in the way. With much worse spacing, coil loves it. 113 volts open. I could only imagine if the gap was good.

No RPM decrease or raise in input amperage noticed  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-ZmJ6fmZ8g

I'm thinking I need to drill a hole in a core amd wrap the coil leaving a hole so the axle shaft can go through.  Hit this coil from both sides with 2 rotors

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« Reply #106 on: May 04, 2022, 03:22:24 AM »
Ok so I need some clarification on something.  It's very possible my mind is just missing something here.  But the logic doesn't make sense to me.

I can show moving the magnet makes the current go 1 way when passing downward on the outside of the coil- and current goes opposite way when passing downward on the same side inside wall of the coil.  How could both ways be restricting my movement when the current flips depending what side of the wall you are on? 

I recorded a demonstration here-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMuInkauxkM   


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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #107 on: May 04, 2022, 03:34:12 AM »
To answer the last video. What you are missing is viewing the problem from the perspective of the magnet. The magnet on the inside of the coil is reacting to a coil wound from left to right (per say). Then the magnet on the outside of the coil sees the coil winding from right to left. To the magnet and the direction the force is coming from, it is all opposite so therefor the polarity is opposite. Nothing there t9 add to anything. Just opposite side sees the winding opposite so gives you opposite polarity.


Another way to look at it, you are technically flipping the magnet around to face the same pole inward. Think of this. If a guy behind you is facing your back and holding his right hand up, then he moves in front of you and turns around to face you but still holding his right hand up. It is now the opposite side to you even though to him it is still his right hand.

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« Reply #108 on: May 04, 2022, 03:58:18 AM »
To answer the last video. What you are missing is viewing the problem from the perspective of the magnet. The magnet on the inside of the coil is reacting to a coil wound from left to right (per say). Then the magnet on the outside of the coil sees the coil winding from right to left. To the magnet and the direction the force is coming from, it is all opposite so therefor the polarity is opposite. Nothing there t9 add to anything. Just opposite side sees the winding opposite so gives you opposite polarity.


Another way to look at it, you are technically flipping the magnet around to face the same pole inward. Think of this. If a guy behind you is facing your back and holding his right hand up, then he moves in front of you and turns around to face you but still holding his right hand up. It is now the opposite side to you even though to him it is still his right hand.

What A brain twister.  Can we go a little deeper with this if you don't mind. I am still a little fuzzy about it.

Lets just say we are dealing with a north pole only. A big bar magnet only interacting the north face for simplicity.  Depending if the magnet is inside or outside the polarity of the coil flips because current flows in the other way.

In this example- pushing the North down inside the coil makes the top of the coil South,  resisting us the whole way.  But putting the magnet outside the coil causes the top of the coil to become North.  Now the exact same motion downward has no resistance.

I can comprehend your description if the magnet was going the other direction, or switing from the other end of the coil. But the exact same downward motion set the polarity differently with the same motion from the same starting point.

Sorry if I am wrong and I do appreciate you explaining.  This is just very twisty for me

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« Reply #109 on: May 04, 2022, 04:00:19 AM »
I think your rotor change completely changed your entire approach. I'll watch a couple times to make sure I'm not just looking at it funny, but now it seems your magnets are passing the turns horizontally instead of cutting the turns across them. Am I looking at it wrong?

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« Reply #110 on: May 04, 2022, 04:08:03 AM »
I think your rotor change completely changed your entire approach. I'll watch a couple times to make sure I'm not just looking at it funny, but now it seems your magnets are passing the turns horizontally instead of cutting the turns across them. Am I looking at it wrong?

Yep- I noticed that too.  When I brought it up to center that happened.  but it produced a good degree more power like that.  Because the rotor is going in a circumference, some flux is being cut still.  I think the jump is because in the middle I can hit both sides of the coil with 2 magnets

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #111 on: May 04, 2022, 04:08:56 AM »
And yes it can get confusing. I suggest you completely forget about Lenz law right now. It is screwing you up. It's best to go back to the basics here. Look up right hand rule.

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« Reply #112 on: May 04, 2022, 04:17:26 AM »
Sorry but I have to keep going with this.

There is no need to flip the magnet.  Take a big bar magnet and only dip 1 pole in the coil and reciprocate.  One completely helps, one completely hurts.

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« Reply #113 on: May 04, 2022, 04:41:31 AM »
Exactly, no need to flip the magnets, because you are flipping the coil. Consider the direction the wire is running from the magnets point of view.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #114 on: May 04, 2022, 04:47:49 AM »
The magnetic field rotates around the wire. It is the direction of rotation that you are changing. Picture this... take a bolt, and put a washer on it. Balance the bolt horizontal with the washer in the middle vertically. Push down on the side of the washer towards you and the washer rotates doward and away. Now do the same on the other side. Push downward away from you and the washer rotates downward and toward you. You pushed down the same on both sides but the washer rotated opposite. The washer simulates a cross section of a strand of wire. Same principle. The magnetic field will rotate depending on the circumstances. The direction the current flows will show you the direction the magnetic field will rotate and vice versa. Hence, the right hand rule. The picture added is just to show you how what you are doing may seem the same motion to you, but is perceived differently by the strand of wire.

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #115 on: May 04, 2022, 05:22:57 AM »
Got it.  I had to bench test to understand. I powered a coil and used a magnet to feel.  Inside coil it behaves opposite than it does outside with the same current direction.  Thank you again for working with me to get it.

Regarding the long coil- the peak of the current is when the magnets are dead center of the vertical coil. And that happens to be the dead spot of the coil in regards to force being applied to the magnets.   When the coil is outputting peak voltage, the magnets are as far from the poles as possible. 

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« Reply #116 on: May 04, 2022, 05:30:15 AM »
That goes in line woth the changing inductance of the coil when magnets are away and against it. Another hard concept to explain right out the gate. But that is an expected result.

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« Reply #117 on: May 04, 2022, 07:26:45 PM »
So I am planning to wind my new coils. I want to make sure I get the most out of them so I have another question..

This might be kind of hard to explain but I'll try. Say my rotor was 5 inches in length and I could get 500 turns of wire within that 5 inches.

Coil 1 has 1500 turns and measures 15 inches. The rotor only passes the center 500 turns, and the other 500 turns on each end get no action from the magnet..

Coil 2 is exactly 5 in to match the rotor. And has exactly 500 turns. The entire coil is passed by the rotor..

Both coils are being exposed to the same 5 inches of the rotor. And both coils have exactly 500 turns which are influenced by the rotor..

Will both coils produce the same output?

I understand the idea that it will waste wire. But will it also bring the strongest point of magnetism away from the rotor?

Does the weakest point of coil magnetism in the center become weaker as the pole spread apart?

Thanks in advance


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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #118 on: May 05, 2022, 12:36:51 AM »
I have to question your layout of magnets passing the coil. I am not sure how you have it aligned. It seems like your new rotor is moving magnets parallel to the turns and not across the turns. This could be why you are not seeing any current flow and very little effect except for voltage. I could be wrong because I can't really tell how you have it laid out. Do you have any still shots that show wire wind direction and the direction the magnets move?

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« Reply #119 on: May 05, 2022, 01:53:40 AM »
I have to question your layout of magnets passing the coil. I am not sure how you have it aligned. It seems like your new rotor is moving magnets parallel to the turns and not across the turns. This could be why you are not seeing any current flow and very little effect except for voltage. I could be wrong because I can't really tell how you have it laid out. Do you have any still shots that show wire wind direction and the direction the magnets move?

I have several rotors I am playing with. The last one that I showed that produced the most volts was like this image.  The magnets never pass the top or bottom of the coil, so they are cutting the flux in the parts that count. But in an arcing motion as they pass the peak moments of production.  It's a weird alignment but I can make it with 4 magnet penetration at 1 time in this way. I can wind a coil with a hole going through for the shaft and position a rotor on either side.

 I am just contemplating if making the coil extra long would produce the same energy with exerting less drag, since the poles will be further away.  And if so- I could even bulk it up in the middle where the rotor passes and let the poles be thinner. 

I was examining my bar magnets with the poles on each end closely. The Poles are ultra strong. As I am almost in the middle- practically all strength is lost before the change-over.  And I think that very spot on the coil is the peak production zone. I am thinking maybe keeping my rotating magnets right in that goldilox zone where production is highest and drag force is at a minimum.  Then extend those poles out to make it even better.