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Offline captainpecan

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Re: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build
« Reply #105 on: May 04, 2022, 04:08:56 AM »
And yes it can get confusing. I suggest you completely forget about Lenz law right now. It is screwing you up. It's best to go back to the basics here. Look up right hand rule.

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« Reply #106 on: May 04, 2022, 04:17:26 AM »
Sorry but I have to keep going with this.

There is no need to flip the magnet.  Take a big bar magnet and only dip 1 pole in the coil and reciprocate.  One completely helps, one completely hurts.

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« Reply #107 on: May 04, 2022, 04:41:31 AM »
Exactly, no need to flip the magnets, because you are flipping the coil. Consider the direction the wire is running from the magnets point of view.

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« Reply #108 on: May 04, 2022, 04:47:49 AM »
The magnetic field rotates around the wire. It is the direction of rotation that you are changing. Picture this... take a bolt, and put a washer on it. Balance the bolt horizontal with the washer in the middle vertically. Push down on the side of the washer towards you and the washer rotates doward and away. Now do the same on the other side. Push downward away from you and the washer rotates downward and toward you. You pushed down the same on both sides but the washer rotated opposite. The washer simulates a cross section of a strand of wire. Same principle. The magnetic field will rotate depending on the circumstances. The direction the current flows will show you the direction the magnetic field will rotate and vice versa. Hence, the right hand rule. The picture added is just to show you how what you are doing may seem the same motion to you, but is perceived differently by the strand of wire.

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« Reply #109 on: May 04, 2022, 05:22:57 AM »
Got it.  I had to bench test to understand. I powered a coil and used a magnet to feel.  Inside coil it behaves opposite than it does outside with the same current direction.  Thank you again for working with me to get it.

Regarding the long coil- the peak of the current is when the magnets are dead center of the vertical coil. And that happens to be the dead spot of the coil in regards to force being applied to the magnets.   When the coil is outputting peak voltage, the magnets are as far from the poles as possible. 

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« Reply #110 on: May 04, 2022, 05:30:15 AM »
That goes in line woth the changing inductance of the coil when magnets are away and against it. Another hard concept to explain right out the gate. But that is an expected result.

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« Reply #111 on: May 04, 2022, 07:26:45 PM »
So I am planning to wind my new coils. I want to make sure I get the most out of them so I have another question..

This might be kind of hard to explain but I'll try. Say my rotor was 5 inches in length and I could get 500 turns of wire within that 5 inches.

Coil 1 has 1500 turns and measures 15 inches. The rotor only passes the center 500 turns, and the other 500 turns on each end get no action from the magnet..

Coil 2 is exactly 5 in to match the rotor. And has exactly 500 turns. The entire coil is passed by the rotor..

Both coils are being exposed to the same 5 inches of the rotor. And both coils have exactly 500 turns which are influenced by the rotor..

Will both coils produce the same output?

I understand the idea that it will waste wire. But will it also bring the strongest point of magnetism away from the rotor?

Does the weakest point of coil magnetism in the center become weaker as the pole spread apart?

Thanks in advance


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« Reply #112 on: May 05, 2022, 12:36:51 AM »
I have to question your layout of magnets passing the coil. I am not sure how you have it aligned. It seems like your new rotor is moving magnets parallel to the turns and not across the turns. This could be why you are not seeing any current flow and very little effect except for voltage. I could be wrong because I can't really tell how you have it laid out. Do you have any still shots that show wire wind direction and the direction the magnets move?

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« Reply #113 on: May 05, 2022, 01:53:40 AM »
I have to question your layout of magnets passing the coil. I am not sure how you have it aligned. It seems like your new rotor is moving magnets parallel to the turns and not across the turns. This could be why you are not seeing any current flow and very little effect except for voltage. I could be wrong because I can't really tell how you have it laid out. Do you have any still shots that show wire wind direction and the direction the magnets move?

I have several rotors I am playing with. The last one that I showed that produced the most volts was like this image.  The magnets never pass the top or bottom of the coil, so they are cutting the flux in the parts that count. But in an arcing motion as they pass the peak moments of production.  It's a weird alignment but I can make it with 4 magnet penetration at 1 time in this way. I can wind a coil with a hole going through for the shaft and position a rotor on either side.

 I am just contemplating if making the coil extra long would produce the same energy with exerting less drag, since the poles will be further away.  And if so- I could even bulk it up in the middle where the rotor passes and let the poles be thinner. 

I was examining my bar magnets with the poles on each end closely. The Poles are ultra strong. As I am almost in the middle- practically all strength is lost before the change-over.  And I think that very spot on the coil is the peak production zone. I am thinking maybe keeping my rotating magnets right in that goldilox zone where production is highest and drag force is at a minimum.  Then extend those poles out to make it even better.


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« Reply #114 on: May 05, 2022, 02:00:52 AM »
I also tried this way which produced 33% less volts

Edit-  It probably produced more like 50% less volts if you take into consideration the gap differences.  The dead center way had a much larger gap because I have a bolt and rod stud in the way

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« Reply #115 on: May 05, 2022, 02:53:29 AM »
Ok, that's what I thought. I'm not saying you have them wrong, because I am not sure what effect you are testing and it could be exactly what you are wanting to try. But, your energy is generated when the magnet runs perpendicular with the turns. You are running mostly in line with them. Remember running a magnet straight up the side goes right across the windings. You are having mostly the effect if you had done that same test bit ran the magnets sideways against the coil instead of up amd down. Did I explain it clear enough to understand? You can get voltage without much Amperage in that configuration typically. Is that what you are wanting?


Edit... maybe it's right. I thought your magnets were centered on the core. The shaft is below the core isn't it? So just one magnet passes across the windings?

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« Reply #116 on: May 05, 2022, 04:17:12 AM »
Edit... maybe it's right. I thought your magnets were centered on the core. The shaft is below the core isn't it? So just one magnet passes across the windings?

I tested both. Center and lower.  Center outperformed lower by a Large margin.

That was just a test- not the build. In the center should have just about the same amount of wires crossed perpendicular if I make the coil bigger than the circumference of the rotor path.  It should cut the wires at the prime voltage generation spot and wind down to parallel about when the zero line is approaching and polarity flips.  And center is the only way I can get 4 magnets to pass at once (that I can think of).

I can't think of any good reason not to have the one coil also be the prime mover. If I go that route- no need to extend it so much to the sides- because I want that end polarity juice to rotate the rotors easily. And if Russ is correct- drag is no longer a problem in this config.

I think I am decided. 1 large coil to cover the entire rotor path. Atleast double wound as you suggested. Maybe even triple. Wind around PVC pipe with a hole in the middle for a shaft to go through. 2 rotors (1 on each side). Pipe will have a hollow center so I can experiment sliding a core into each side.

I checked and current only flows 1 way in this configuration from zero point to zero point- and I can make it flow eitherway by changing rotation direction. And if sensor is positioned at zero line- I can make the rotor spin either way without problem.


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« Reply #117 on: May 05, 2022, 03:48:01 PM »
I also get a similar asymmetrical picture.
Although if you calculate the integral area of the positive and negative EMF, I think it will be symmetrical. I hope you got what I meant...
In general, it is interesting to play with this device. :)

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« Reply #118 on: May 05, 2022, 06:45:55 PM »
I have been drawing and bench testing hours on end to try to make current go the same direction as induction as Russ says is possible,  it is VERY difficult. Getting the rotor to rotate in the correct way seems almost impossible if it even is possible.  No matter how hard I try, I can not make North want to attract North.  (LOL)...

The only window I am possibly seeing is boxed in yellow.  Pulse to initiate rotation and collect only at that moment and the rotor "MIGHT" go in the direction we want which matches the current.  The sinewave reaction looks like it will work- and during a bench test powering the coil, I can get a peek of movement the right way only in those 2 spots per pass.  The entire prime collection moments all hurt rotation and I see no way to get rotation to go the way we want without opposing incoming current to induction current direction.

I am not saying it will work, but if it does- capturing window will be small and weak.  Perhaps combining this with Rus's info on harvesting the dielectric capacitance can be used to collect at peak without affecting the rotor and delivering that small burst in the window of possible opportunity.

It's either go for this method or just make a nice long coil and produce as much as I can without bringing the rotor close to the poles to hopefully minimize as much drag as I can.

Decision time

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« Reply #119 on: May 05, 2022, 07:10:38 PM »
A little edit on the above post.  I can only get the window to work on 1 side.  The repel away does not want to cooperate. See what I am saying here-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkEsGrn6FOg

Coil / core length shape might be able to be worked to increase the window size and induction amount. I need to make sure I do not ruin the direction of induced current and get that window larger while passing more of the coil in that window.  it's quite a skimpy looking window at the moment.  But a ray of hope (until I am debunked. LOL)

Edit- I am uploading a video showing there is no opposition current within that tiny window. Hang tight- will post it in a few

Edit #2- Here- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwHrrJ6Q_-A