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Author Topic: Just another Don Smith thread  (Read 33184 times)

Offline whitelightningwizard

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #345 on: May 25, 2022, 02:41:23 PM »
@tomd

am myself a full time researcher, and have been for over seven years.

JoeCell is well worth ur time, as is Don Smith device.

Please look into and research “Lord Kelvin’s Thunderstorm”…

and try to answer important question: “how does flowing drops of water produce electricity sparks?”

w/o this understanding u simply will NOT be on the right track of understanding what electricity actually IS.

If u don’t know what electricity IS in the 1st place, u will never get more of it back then u put in.  ;D

wlw

Offline Vortex 22

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #346 on: May 25, 2022, 03:40:01 PM »
Hello,

Please don't forget the title of the game, electrons Captor from earth ground and/or air, water grounding ?

Try this basic setup and see if any result or not?

Polar capacitor 400 volts DC and 300 micro farads
Using full bridge rectifier ?

Sorry for the schematic, I can't upload a video for the moment.

Rgrds
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Online ramset

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #347 on: May 25, 2022, 04:27:38 PM »
Notice how pix never replied to me, some people are butthurt when corrected
and every single statement in his 'theory' is diametrically opposite to reality.

So one can just ignore such people and let them talk nonsense (as most
do and then we got a forum where 99,9% is junk), or one can put in effort
to untangle their mess and what will be the result, they will either ignore you
or attack you, NEVER will they thank you for clarification. Ofc not all are like
that. Back in the day this forum had some decency. That's why in my opinion
pre 2010 threads are the best.
Sir Nix
Yes it’s true that more transparency is needed ,for better understanding
Of all experimenters !



Not addressing Pix below …


Others preach and seemingly want to argue more than help ?( looking for endless follower supply
..they drop crumbs along the path to nowhere…


Example of helping would be one paragraph and circuit
“Here I did this “!!
And result was ? ( a specific claim)


It is way to easy to harvest unaware from the sea of man made Energy which we swim through
Poor measurement practices can waste decades of time !


And persons who claim 50 flavors of OU and point to
Metric tons of old claims ( rebooted millionth time to no avail)


Sir Nix
Here one very big change has happened to forum
Experimenters/builders can moderate a topic ( actually like a sub forum with many topics)


Other venues don’t offer this !


Fiddling while our planet suffers got old a long time ago …
And those who play games to their own delight ??


Yeesh


Respectfully
Chet K
PS
Just one anomaly will do …
Here in the open source community the talent pool is global
and amazing!!


And under no thumb ,yes 100% transparency and brutal honesty ( good testing/measurement)
are mandatory!






Offline nix85

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #348 on: May 25, 2022, 04:31:01 PM »
Mockery continues :)

We seen how wlw "knows" what electricity is. Complete ignorance of the fact that it is
grav fields that keep all together on all scales eliminating the apparent violation of
Coloumb force. Complete ignorance of the negative stream (antigravity) reflecting out
 of the Earth back toward the sun which is closely associated with cold electricity and
the reason some overunity devices like that of Floyd Sweet or Steven Mark partially or
completely lose weight when operating... Complete ignorance of magnetic fields and the
 fact that flux is max at the center of the magnet NOT zero, and the fact that there is ​no
 such thing as poles except as an illusion created by breaking a poleless toroid field...
Complete ignorance ​that mag flux is actually made of two counter streams as
Leedskalnin discovered...

As for electrification of water droplets, this is known as Lenard effect discovered by
Philipp Lenard in 1892. Explanation of the effect

"A water droplet forms an electric double layer as shown in diagram below. The
inner/outer surface is charged negatively/positively, respectively. When it splits into
droplets, newly created surface obtains positive electricity from air molecules
in order to become positively charged, thus the air molecules are negatively charged.
This is how the air is negatively ionized.

What is an an electric double layer?

When two different phases such as a solid and a liquid come into contact each other,
positive and negative charges appear on the boundary surface with a distance of the
molecular level."

Interesting effect i known about for many years.

Separation of opposite electric charges as well as magnetic dipoles usually takes
energy BUT as i said many times over the years NOT necessarily so.

God made it that way, you can get angry about it or get smart about it
it really IS hard for one who goes into it brute force, he will always
fight Lenz and Coloumb....but God also allowed for a workaround....

Little bit on magnetic shielding. Does it appear to you this material is
attracted to the magnet. It is not, yet it shields the fields.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVcB3mVyZWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FABlYE9Vhc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y252LZt9tqw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C7mkl95t

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7QiI8p1gi4

Offline Vortex 22

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #349 on: May 25, 2022, 05:00:01 PM »
UNDERSTAND MY WORDS CLEARLY AND U WILL UNDERSTAND WOT U HAVE TO DO.

IF U DONT HAVE THE CANDLE U CANT LIGHT UP ANOTHER AND LIGHT UP THE WORLD.
FIRST MAKE CANDLE AND USE THIS CANDLE TO LIGHT ANOTHER ONE SAME INLENGTH.
LET ME SEE IF U GET THIS. AM HERE STILL IF U DONT UNDERSTAND THIS RIDDLE.

Offline nix85

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #350 on: May 25, 2022, 05:13:09 PM »
Once riddles were really used as tools of wisdom, now days they are mostly
used by clowns trying to sound smarter than they are.

People need concrete solutions, examples of success, a way to go.

This guy improved Thane Heins' Bi-Toroid Transformer, best result he got is 480W
with 60W input.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110325135645/http://pesn.com/2011/03/20/9501793_Two_Toroid_Over-Unity_Gabriel_Device_--_Part_1/

Offline Vortex 22

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #351 on: May 25, 2022, 05:16:45 PM »
Don  gave us everything to start with and he is the only person with maximum details to help us replicate.his devices are true in all respects

Offline Vortex 22

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #352 on: May 25, 2022, 05:46:55 PM »
Consider how you have been instructed over the years on charging capacitors. Set all of that aside, do not forget it, nor should you discard it, just set it aside. Now possibly for the first time in your many years of researching, "consider" Tesla's circuit, the ozone patent, and no other. Recognize and above all respect that there is no rectifier, comprehend why, align your thinking with his and comprehend what he is shared with you. Comprehend his charging method, his method is "the" method.
If you cannot see things the way he did, see that which must be seen in "his" works, works which were carefully prepared prior to them being placed in the public domain......there is only one thing for you to do at that this point......quit this isn't for you and it never will be.

Online ramset

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #353 on: May 25, 2022, 10:11:24 PM »
Sir nix
“Gabriel device”
Using a kilowatt meter to prove this gain ..?


I was fooled plenty years ago this way … please use other methods for
Devices which can play games with kilowatt meter circuitry (erroneous measurement)!


Example : simple caloric measurements!


Persons can waste decades using poor measurement protocols and wishful thinking!
Respectfully
Chet K




Offline nix85

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #354 on: May 25, 2022, 10:43:48 PM »
It's true power meters are unreliable at high frequencies,
but here we are talking normal 50-60Hz, they are designed
for this, to measure active vs reactive power etc.
There should be no self-deception here, but to be
sure one should always use different power meters
as well as different multimeters/clamp meters.

Online ramset

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #355 on: May 25, 2022, 11:45:43 PM »
When gains are so bold
There is no need for meter discrepancies ( well founded concerns)


Heat works amazingly well ..even bulb temperature can be used for accuracy
We had a member who shared a fixed loss to ambient test protocol !


Even novice with no experience can do this …
Side by side tests in cardboard boxes
One side box has input of device going to appropriate sized resistor ( worlds most efficient heater)


Other box ( put entire device and load resistor or bulbs (whatever)


Turn power on to both ( same input)


Watch temperature in both boxes ( install remote heat probe or use infrared


Box with Device under test inside should rise much faster in temp
If it does not beat resistor ( worlds most efficient heater as all losses go to heat


If it does not beat the heat of worlds best
You have a problem with claim


If it does ?
Do the happy dance


Doing good Measurement is so easy !
High frequency low frequency pulses etc etc


Do work …. and watch a thermometer in a cardboard box …
Ambient will rob the heat from the box … box will only get so hot against ambient
Cold weather is nice for this testing


But ultimately you can tell story in a minute with a stop watch
Claims of 2-3 or 10 times input will Zoom past worlds best heater!


Easy Peasy
Thanks to member ION ( also Vortex 1 here … may he Rest In Peace
Respectfully
Chet K

PS
Even these claims of one transmitter feeding many?
Calibrate a tiny grain of wheat bulb with thermometer


Compare temperatures of “receivers “





EDIT for comment below

Yes of course  … the loop is the best

Would be nice to see ( besides you tube proof …. NOT !

Never give up !!edit  ( * not while I breathe


Edit 2 below
Nelson is a kind soul ( I do miss talking











« Last Edit: May 26, 2022, 02:15:37 AM by ramset »

Offline nix85

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #356 on: May 26, 2022, 12:12:27 AM »
Or even simpler, feed it back into itself, if it runs itself + the load,
there is you certain measurement.

EDIT for EDIT

Ofc, loop is the ultimate test.
Also as nelsonrochaa wrote

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Like I already told many times ;
Most of people are not interested in hard work , but instead want "baby food" in their
own mouth ...  Myself lose 2 years only study some aspects of  that circuit , and see
people already give up just because some Illustrious persons, Pout ..... In general i
think this is a lost case. When happens such behavior's,  i could only say that is a
waste of TIME to everyone!

 
Nelson Rocha

I'm sure not going to give up, hopefully you won't either.

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #357 on: May 26, 2022, 03:29:29 AM »
ZPE electron-vitron separation by shapes and harm/inharmonic thirds.
As Keely said if you match harmonic electricity to inharmonic electricity
you will tap the dominant which is unlimited.

Edit for important note, electrons-vitrons (positrons) of space are
never really separable, they are always together in varying ratios.
Exotic phenomena is accociated with higher concetration of vitrons
than electrons.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2022, 12:29:49 PM by nix85 »

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #358 on: May 26, 2022, 11:51:30 AM »
Let's say we can drow electrons.... In order to charge a capacitor?
Input....cap ...water

By applying positive charges from the input on one side of the Cap...we can attract negative charges from the ground in the other side of the Cap ?
 But here one problem
In time
Positive charges will develop on the ground and negative charges will develop on the input
How can we solve this?

That's why it's very simple to charge a polar cap by this method
And it's very difficult to charge ac Capacitor

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #359 on: May 26, 2022, 12:05:54 PM »
Notice how pix never replied to me, some people are butthurt when corrected
and every single statement in his 'theory' is diametrically opposite to reality.


I try to minimise unnecessary ambitional disputes.
Once I will put my theory to the test, then I will respond to you.


Cheers,
pix