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ramset

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #60 on: May 05, 2022, 03:34:47 AM »
Sir
Regardless OP’s lack of request, there are untold numbers of persons
who spent endless hours  banging head against DS info wall …


 Zilano probably pushed a few more sensitive souls over the edge ( sanity)


Quite certain MANY would appreciate to know where they went wrong …


I had noticed you mentioned old Friend David F
Have not spoken to him in ages


Sure he would also be interested…


Respectfully
Chet K
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Perhaps bump an old thread here!



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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #61 on: May 05, 2022, 03:42:29 AM »
@nix85

well he explains in 2019 video that he can light a bulb and produce multiplied magnetic field from the current he is using. so its like winding up current b4 using it which is more than what the supply gives u...

it’s Russell way of using grid AC power. Power Multiplication.

So he claims it, no demonstration. No measuring of input output. Not much of replication.

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OP did not ask for help building Don circuit?, then my mistake. I’m in wrong place.  :-

Did not ask for help, ever. I asked if anyone had success and that was not really asking, i expected no one will, as my OU playlist shows, i know of many successes.

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Russell is 1 perspective, but he had whole Universe in his gaze. He actually knew secrets of the universe. IMHO.

Tesla dying of old age said he still didn’t know what electricity is.

Yes he did, but so did Keely long before him, so did Theosophical seers with their astral sight, who could see inside the subatomic structure, who understood the governing principles of polarity, counterspiraling motion, compression and expansion, all this long before Russell.

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yup Don knew radio pumps out 1 signal and can have multiple harvests if we tune receivers.

maybe I have opened eyes for some on here. idk.

You opened no eyes cause your own eyes ain't open (enough), i am trying to help you open your eyes but you are transfixed on your religion.

Take 10min, read my last two posts slowly, learn about creation of time-space Carrier Field from nothing using interference along 6 AXIS OF TIME, and subsequent creation of bubbles (MATERIA PRIMA) by "digging holes in space" which in turn create all lower orders of matter by their counterspiraling motion....

nix85

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #62 on: May 06, 2022, 02:46:54 AM »
Keely was right cause he was right (and time will show that), the fact that he preceded Russell is another thing.

No, i do not think "that’s not true", i said many times opposing spirals are the principle of Creation, i critiqued his lack of measurement. Here is an example of a proper demonstration, 1 in 122 out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3dc-5tPc90

The point of studying Keely is not getting OU, it is for better understanding of mechanisms of Nature, universal triune force flow, laws of harmonic and discordant vibrations etc.

You of course did not read the Cosmic Time Field Carrier model on the last page, my my, if you only knew you are ignoring the very mechanism of Creation of Time-Space and everything in it.

As for that steam turbine of Russell, i'm gonna quote from a letter Schauberger sent to Mr 'R' From Implosion Magazine, No. 82, written in Linz, 4th February 1958.

Thirty eight years ago as I was building the first log-flume and mixed and moved the water in such manner as to trigger a falling thermal gradient, I had no inkling that this was the initial stage in the build-up of a concentrating form of atomic energy. Acting purely intuitively I proceeded further along this course. In 1921 I built the first suction-turbine to provide and light my remote forest-homestead with electricity. With it I achieved an almost nine fold increase in output. This I deemed to be the most natural thing in the world and once again took the next further step. I utilized this falling thermal gradient for the purposes of re-converting polluted water into noble water - akin to that of high-altitude springs. This water exhibited remarkable healing properties that nobody was able to explain.

So there is your overunity water turbine in 1921.

Little more about Schauberger...

Schauberger noted that everything in nature has bipolarity: light and darkness; warm and cold; male and female; pressure and draw, etc.. Between these opposites exists a constant flow of elevating qualities running from the lower to the higher one in a logarithmically spiralling movement. There are two spiralling movements: one outward-going sucking energy away from the centrum in excentric centrifugence, and one inward-going which presses energy in a concentric centripetence towards the condensed centrum.

The core philosophy of Schauberger could be expressed as follows: The force is life, and the secret of life is bipolarity. Without opposite poles in nature, there is no attraction and repulsion, there is no movement. Without movement, there is no life.

Each movement has its characteristic qualities: The outgoing movement is followed by an increased friction and increased pressure with a rise of temperature, biological breakdown and decomposition. It is characterized by the processes of explosion, expansion and gravitation. The in-going movement is followed by a decreased friction, decreased pressure combined with decreased temperature and biological improvement. The corresponding processes are implosion, impansion and levitation.

Even when the two movements are naturally balanced as two opposing forces of equal strength, the inwards-going concentric spiral dominates in its reconstructive role.

The spiral movement may turn either counter-clockwise or clockwise. When the motion spirals counterclockwise, it has a structuring and formative influence on material flowing (fluid or gas) in the implosion spiral. If it turns the opposite way around, its function is decomposing and disintegrative. The greatest vitalization is obtained when both spirals move inside each other. Such resultant or double concentric spiral movement is called the implosion spiral and constitutes the essence of Schauberger's implosion theory.

Schauberger used this theory to explain certain natural phenomena such as typhoons, whirlpools, certain shell forms, the meandering of waters, and new forms of energy generators (including his levitating implosion disk).


Etc.

"All corpuscular action in Nature is vortex motion." [Keely]

Below are few crops from The First Principles of Theosophy By Curuppumullage Jinarajadasa first published in 1921, 5 years before The Universal One and as far as i know all this is taken from much older work of Blavatsky, Leadbeatter and Besant.

https://www.minhtrietmoi.org/Theosophy/Jinaradasa/The-First-Principles-of-Theosophy.htm

We see he clearly says that logarithmic spirals are at the heart of Creation on all scales.

We see spirals within spirals creating different orders of matter.

We see Russell's spiraling chart of elements long before he thought of it.

The next two illustrations, of a spider's web (Fig. 111), and of the Periodic Law of the chemical elements (Fig. 112), link in an undecipherable mystery a microcosm with the Macrocosm. For in the center of the spider's web is the logarithmic curve; how does the spider know to build according to geometrical principle ? And why does the universe, as it comes into being, create 92 elements in such a rhythmic fashion that we can group them into families, and tabulate them all according to their atomic weights, so as to make a spiral curve similar to the spider's and to that of Solarium (Fig. 102)?

Etc

You got "working devices", great, i will too soon but your knowledge/understanding is too limited. You don't even acknowledge the Triune Flow, the fundamental Universal principle we find in all forces and matter, or the 6 phase COSMIC TIME CARRIER FIELD that creates the 3D space itself and keeps all atoms spinning in sync....

Enjoy the silence :*

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #63 on: May 06, 2022, 01:13:39 PM »
@wlw
Both Zilano and Don mention frequency can be controlled using resistors. The following is from Zilano:

T=RC AND T=L/R
T=50 HZ OR 60 HZ
SAY T=50
AND C=2mfd
T=R*C
50=2mfd*R
R=50/2mfd=50/.002f=25,000 ohms=25kohm
say L=25mili henry(mh)
and T=50 hz or 60 hz
T=L/R
50=25/R
R=25mh/50
since 1mh=1/1000 h
R=25/50,000
R=0.0005 ohms
put R for C in series with cap and R for L in parallel
the circuit will oscillate the primary of trafo at 50 hz or 60 hz accordingly.

T is the time constant for a capacitor and inductor so how does that work by substituting frequency?
I assume the cap she is talking about is a storage cap after L2. I have read where Don also used a nomograph. Does it do essentially the same as the two time constant/frequency formulas?
How do these methods of frequency control compare with making the primary of the isolation trafo part of a resonant tank circuit at 50/60 Hz?

nix85

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #64 on: May 07, 2022, 03:10:52 AM »
Something more on 8 tonal division we find in Theosophical and later Russell element chart, this is Denisovian science, Denisovian were cave people of Eurasia 200,000+ years ago up to last ice age, and were supposedly a prehistoric autists (having supposed autism gene).

https://ie.ussyms425.com/2502-did-autism-make-the-denisovans-savants-of-the-prehis.html

https://youtu.be/qcnrnLptKKI?t=642

They knew about the Saros Cycle and probably based their calendars on it.

The saros is a period of exactly 223 synodic months, approximately 6585.3211 days, or 18 years, 10, 11, or 12 days, and 8 hours, that can be used to predict eclipses of the Sun and Moon.

Below is a 24,000-year-old mammoth ivory plate found at Mal’ta in southern-central Siberia showing what appears to be 7 logarithmic spirals.

And below is a calendar round displaying the proposed grand calendrical system of the Altai-Baikal region, which is at least 24,000 years old.

You can see all numbers are multiples of 9 and there are 8 'tones' per 'octave'.

Obviously this is not a musical or light or elements chart but i am drawing a parallel, that it is wholly based on 9 is surely no coincidence.

As i said before 8 tones is something between a diatonic and chromatic scale.

Below is the table with "most harmonic frequencies" containing 8 tones (not in order).

Full diatonic scale is

G, A, B, C, D, E, F#

Full chromatic scale is

A, A#/Bb, B, C, C#/Db, D, D#/Eb, E, F, F#/Gb, G, and G#/Ab

So 8 "most harmonic" tones are basically a diatonic scale with addition of C# or chromatic scale with D#/Eb, G#/Ab and A#/Bb  missing.

All tones/frequencies except for C and G are based on 9, C and G are not but they nonetheless include them.

Why? Cause it is a MULTIPLICATION TABLE. All frequencies are product of the 2 coordinates.

So these 6 which are based on 9 can be traced on the Denisovian calendar and you can see how tones progress in steps.

Take for example tone D2 which is 72Hz, look at Denisovian circle, next harmonic 144 is just one step away, yet next higher harmonic 288 is 2 more steps away.

Or take E2 which is 162Hz, on Denisovian circle next harmonic 324 is 3 steps away, yet next higher harmonic 648 is 6 more steps away. Obviously, we got a Fibonacci like progression which may be represented as a spiral.

The whole point is Theosophical/Russell 8 tonal/element division may reflect the 8 "most harmonious tones".

I'd say that this is the very essence of Triune Flow, how One splits into 3 and further subdivides into 3 more and more into infinity, fractally - i am referring to the table horizontal division determining difference between tones, vertical division is just doubling of the same ratio.

Triune flow is supposed to have ratio of 369. This ratio we find all over the table of most harmonic 8 tones as 2 octaves of one tone which are like 3:6, that is, second is double first, and third tone which is 1.5x the second one is a tone on the right of the first one.

For example 216, 432, 648. 432 is twice the 216 and 648 is 432 x 1.5.

If this geometric pattern is kept 3 tones will always be in 369 relation.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2022, 07:59:18 AM by nix85 »

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #65 on: May 07, 2022, 08:15:45 AM »
Yes i have been telling them this on here for years, all i got was abuse from some corners over it!

Regards Sil

nix85

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #66 on: May 07, 2022, 09:26:28 AM »
Gotta keep in mind this table can be extended to the right, below is an
example with one additional column. Question is if this 9th column corresponds
to a musical note (harmonics).

Probably does. What about further extension.

So it's not really an explanation of 8 tonal division but i believe it is very
closely related.

Also what about the so called Pythagorean comma, according to common opinion
there is no perfect octave in Pythagorean scale, each next octave is bit off, but
this table shows Pythagorean scale, 1.5 ratio (perfect 5th) is respected and octaves
are perfect multiples so what do they mean, maybe it's because they usually start
with A440 which has all irrational frequencies so that messes things up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_v13Ncyb4
« Last Edit: May 07, 2022, 11:30:29 AM by nix85 »

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #67 on: May 07, 2022, 11:46:40 AM »
Notice in the table numerical value for all octaves of G alternates

36363636363636....which is also 9.

First column C has numerical values 1,2,4,8,7,5,1,2,4,8,7,5,1,2...

And we can see it is also a repeating pattern 124875 which has numerical

value 9, ALL ARE NINE!

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #68 on: May 07, 2022, 03:38:31 PM »
Sir’s
Here Dave L shares some work and actually recommends experiments to readers ?
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4284.msg98895;topicseen#msg98895


Perhaps peruse his content ( other topics)
While he does not fill forum with many every day contributions
His work ( and others in his topic) is there to ponder !


Do you have experiment of your own to share that would jump out to science as unusual?


Yes I have seen many you tubes of others you ( Nix) have posted as OU claims


However none has been investigated through peer review or even replicated
At few open source venues such as this …with thousands of potential replicators
Of ALL sciences and skill sets !!


Just one simple anomaly that will survive scientific scrutiny ( proper measurement protocols) will do… tiny piece of meat ( signal) with the potatoes ( fill /static) .


Respectfully
Chet K
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For clarity this is not advertising
Neither this forum or one posted above is commercial business venture ( no advertising)
Just open source venue to get this FE out to world ( once truly found )


PLEASE HELP !!
Edit for comment below
That is a “sideways contribution “ ( side stepping)

Who said anything about doubt !!

Here you preach to hungry choir !!

However, yes they do have good and honest vetting skills !

Just one anomaly will do !

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #69 on: May 07, 2022, 04:05:38 PM »
I studied Wilbert Smith for long time, Project Magnet etc. He did lots of experiments with caduceus coils, one i remember he said they were putting 4kW into this coil, energy apparently disappearing without heat or anything. He also did some mechanical antigravity attempts, i remember his device exploded from centrifugal force when it reached 20,000 rpm if i remember correctly. He spoke of 12 dimensions etc.

As for OU, all has been said. Doubt only leads to failure, that is the dividing line.

Edit for comment above...

It's no side-stepping, how am i supposed to help you, i did not even do it myself yet.

One has to believe (see) and put a hard work in, no shortcuts.

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #70 on: May 07, 2022, 10:20:57 PM »

Sir
Cones are one very big experiment which Dave L (link above) had built to extreme tolerance by member Ron here ( I am uncertain his exact handle ronnee ??
They were big cones !!


 I can ask admin to place a board here for you to moderate ?
Recently this has grown much more popular here ( self moderated builder venues)
And it is wonderful to see, there have been a few bumps in the road ,However he is quite
Determined to succeed ( for builders here and elsewhere)


Open source Builders , and researchers ( research with verifiable build suggestions)
are the backbone of any open source project!


I will reach out to let admin know
Please forward what board will be called …. ( to admin)


Might take a few days admin is very busy ATM
Edit
Did send note to admin ( might speak with him tomorrow or Monday)

Respectfully
Chet K
Ps,this is the best possible way to maintain control and continuity in your topic
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plz tell me where I can post details? w/o getting BBQ’d!?
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Apologies to mr Nix for interruptions ( if you were moderator here you could neaten up ( yes I know…

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #71 on: May 08, 2022, 09:00:05 AM »
@wlw
Regarding the spark gap after L2. From what I have read 120v - 240v is insufficient to form a spark gap. Also I cant find a gas discharge tube with an impulse breakdown voltage less than 240V.


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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #73 on: May 08, 2022, 10:12:33 PM »
@wlw
Regarding the spark gap after L2. From what I have read 120v - 240v is insufficient to form a spark. Also I cant find a gas discharge tube with an impulse breakdown voltage less than 240V.

"From what I have read 120v - 240v is insufficient to form a spark gap"

Should read: From what I have read 120v - 240v is insufficient to form a spark.
A spark in open air needs at least over 1KV?

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #74 on: May 08, 2022, 11:10:17 PM »
https://pl.farnell.com/en-PL/littelfuse/sl0902a230sm/gas-discharge-tube-smd-230v/dp/1815491

The impulse  breakdown voltage for that gdt is between 550 and 650v. An impulse discharge would be what we are looking at here rather than a slowly rising DC voltage.

From what I have read a spark in open air requires at least 1kv.