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Author Topic: Just another Don Smith thread  (Read 28607 times)

Offline nix85

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #210 on: May 14, 2022, 02:07:29 PM »
Again, ask yourself what exactly happens in resonant parallel RLC.

How is current amplified but res. freq. is not changed.

Bigger current circulating in the tank should mean cap gets charged

faster. But it does not.

One might try to draw a parallel to a pendulum, adding slight push at

proper time makes amplitude of oscillation gets bigger but frequency

remains the same.

https://youtu.be/0W-EUVhqv98?t=290

But this does not really explain it.

Again, bigger current circulating in the tank should mean cap gets charged faster.

No one can answer even such basic questions, not to mention that power

amplification in parallel RLC is forbidden by the convention yet well known

and unquestionable phenomena. According to convention current is

amplified "at the expense of voltage". And in series RLC supposedly

voltage is amplified "at the expense of current". Total lies.

Offline whitelightningwizard

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #211 on: May 14, 2022, 02:59:43 PM »
@nix & Vortex

either of u ever put a capacitor in a calorimeter and discharge joules from it to check conservation of energy?

I did this & found b/c capacitor has no magnetic field, it waste no energy as heat.

coils have magnetic field so they produce waste as heat.

so a 'non-inductive' coil, like caduceus, is really a cap. but windable like a coil. OK?  ;D

wlw

Offline whitelightningwizard

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #212 on: May 14, 2022, 03:07:14 PM »
Mr. Vortex,

I think wot u r driving at is similar to Zilano circuit with 2 Primaries. and single coil captor secondary.

b/w 2 primaries is cap in series, which breaks continuity of hot n cold. the two coils resonate back n forth, but Lenz opposes which primary?

thoughts.

wlw

Offline Vortex 22

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #213 on: May 14, 2022, 03:09:17 PM »
Hi wlw and All,

For the Capacitor electron Captor,
We must ground it, so we can capture free electrons!!!
But
For the coil Captor circuit
We need something different!!!

Offline Vortex 22

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #214 on: May 14, 2022, 03:25:21 PM »
Mr. Wlw,

Just charge any capacitor and it will loose it's charge !!!
Can we stop this?

Offline Vortex 22

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #215 on: May 14, 2022, 03:39:13 PM »
Hi wlw,
That's circuit from zilano zelina Zeus
Very puzzling to me !!!

I can see the Capacitor electrons Captor and it's ground

But what is the purpose of the second ground on the high voltage side?
In my experiences we must avoid any high voltage unit with GFI
Ground Fault Interrupter !!!

Offline Vortex 22

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #216 on: May 14, 2022, 04:05:41 PM »
According to Don Smith

3- Moron level of comprehension required

Offline Vortex 22

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #217 on: May 14, 2022, 04:14:42 PM »
So all these coils are underunity power!!
Unless the coil can drow current from a second input source

Maybe there's something hidden
A magnet near the Coil Captor? Who knows

Offline Vortex 22

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #218 on: May 14, 2022, 04:20:16 PM »
In my no professional terminology

We are trying to combine from 2 different input source

Combien voltage and current?
Or
Voltage and voltage?
Or
Current and current?

But
We pay for one input only!!!

Offline nix85

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #219 on: May 14, 2022, 04:23:19 PM »
Real cap has internal resistance and does dissipate heat,

and boi does it dissipate it, often they need special cooling.

Where there is current there is a magnetic field (unless it's bucking).

It also has inductance, all this is well known.

Short a cap and it will ring and dissipate heat.

I don't know which calorimeter you used but pass few amps "through"

that cap for bit longer and you will see it does warm up.

That's why electrolytic caps literally have vents, not to blow up.

I wouldn't call a bucking coil a cap, rather a bifilar is a real cap,

as they say it increases capacitance and energy 250,000 times.

(of course this varies with each coil)

Energy in the RLC tank is equal to energy that is first stored

in the cap. Well, that is at least the convention. They do not

admit power ampification, only current or voltage amplification

at the expense of the other which is of course not true.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2022, 06:36:48 PM by nix85 »

Offline Vortex 22

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #220 on: May 14, 2022, 05:29:16 PM »
The resonance thingy is not the secret !!!


Offline whitelightningwizard

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #221 on: May 14, 2022, 06:49:23 PM »
Hi Vortex,
actually this is 1 of zelina’s more simplified circuits. it gets u 50/60Hz direct in harvest coil. w/o having to lower frequency.

the HV/LV module has dual output - one is 350V for Xenon standby voltage.
other is 2kV for tiggering spark breakdown. single HV wire connects to diode across Xenon.

the above described module is custom built and has no GFI. 2nd ground isn’t really needed.

well my thinking is if u have capacitor captor capturing free electrons, and u can’t get OU with coils...
then
just stick w/ wot works.  ;)

surly all on here r above Moron level, so stick with simplicity.  ;D

@nix85

u think all caps the same, but they r created differently. polarized, unpolarized.
test different caps in any calorimeter, doesn’t matter.
i discharged 1000’s of Joules from cap and no change in ambient temperature inside the calorimeter, conducted over several hours.
that’s when i knew efficiencies of caps are NOT created equal.

ps. NEVER charge electrolytic caps backwards as they will EXPLODE. public service announcement!!

wlw

Offline nix85

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #222 on: May 14, 2022, 07:43:09 PM »
Don't make silly claims. Of course i don't think all caps are the same
i know well there are polarized and non polarized and those in which
inductance is reduced to minimum for very high freq. applications
where cap can become an inductor otherwise....
and i know well electrolytic are polarized and can explode
like i said if used with AC or high ripple DC...BUT they also heat up
with DC at higher power and can overheat cause, like i said, they
have internal resistance.

All capacitors have some internal resistance called Equivalent series
resistance ESR which in ceramic caps varies from 0.01 to 0.1 Ohms
while for electrolytic it is UP TO SEVERAL OHMS + it increases over
time with use so can lead to failure.

In short, caps usually don't heat up much, but at higher power
applications, especially if they are electrolytic, they do.

Oh yea, just to add, just recently i was discharging 5 10nF 20kV
caps in parallel and i taped them together not allowing them to
cool. They literally almost melted, they were SO hot you could
not touch em. Tape literally melted. And they are ceramic.

Offline tomd

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #223 on: May 14, 2022, 09:28:12 PM »
The resonance thingy is not the secret !!!

How about the trumpet waveform coming as a result of  an earth grounding?

https://youtu.be/dICbnzfY464

Offline Vortex 22

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Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #224 on: May 14, 2022, 10:53:49 PM »
My recommendation
For building the basic
Capacitor electrons Captor?

Just try to find:

-2 diodes or full bridge rectifier ( say 300 voltage)
-Capacitor ( polar cap 400 volts and 300 micro farads or less

Using the mains ( 220 v and 50 Hz)
If you have SWER system type? Single wire earth return in your city?
Than you must avoid the earth grounding
In this case
We can grounding this circuit on jag of water 🌊

Hold questions until after you have done what has been suggested. I say it like this because once you have built
it, all your questions will anwser themselves.

Electricity is very dangerous,  be careful
Please
Show me your setup, so I can guide you more !

Regards
Vortex 22