Language: 
To browser these website, it's necessary to store cookies on your computer.
The cookies contain no personal information, they are required for program control.
  the storage of cookies while browsing this website, on Login and Register.

Storing Cookies (See : http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm ) help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
https://overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please LEAVE this website now. From the 25th of May 2018, every existing user has to accept the GDPR agreement at first login. If a user is unwilling to accept the GDPR, he should email us and request to erase his account. Many thanks for your understanding

User Menu

Custom Search

Author Topic: Just another Don Smith thread  (Read 46096 times)

Offline nix85

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1278
Just another Don Smith thread
« on: April 11, 2022, 04:54:51 PM »
Lately i've been playing with Don Smith device, in particular Zilano's step down version. If anyone doesn't know she allegedly succeeded back in 2011 after 6 months of trying, first 2.5kW and after additional tuning 10kW.

You don't have to read all this, you can skip to the bold part for the key points.

I read all there is to read from her, it's all backed up online in pdfs. She built her own NST output around 4kV, 30mA at circa 30-35KHz. Her basic circuit is shown below, and another circuit with one secondary shorted.

She used 80 turn primary and 2x 5 turn bucking secondary which she wrongly calls bifilar with middle point grounded. Secondary wire is twice the diameter of the primary, it is 4 times shorter and they have similar weight of copper.

She is using parallel sparkgap in both primary and secondary. As one user complained in the original thread at energetic forum trying to replicate her, he was unable to get the sparkgap to fire when in parallel as do i. She of course told him flyback output must be tuned to primary, well, i did this no avail.

More on tuning soon. First i wanna say i first ordered an expensive permalloy core from China just to find out it is totally useless, my aircore primary resonated at about 10MHz, with this supposed 50,000+ permeability it resonated at 11MHz, WORSE than air.. thankfully they returned the money after much effort and multiple videos proving this.

Then i got 5kg of steel welding rods Zila suggested as cheap substitute for ferrite, thankfully this was cheap but it was also worse than air, no effect on resonance at all. All this time i had some cheap ferrite rods i tested which i saw did work so i ordered a bunch of those and with them got my primary to resonate around 34KHz.

Now the tuning, this gets complicated. I used a big 25cm wide 5 turn bucking secondary. It was relatively easy to get the one of the two secondaries (the right one which is wound in opposite way to the other and the primary) to resonate around same freq. As Zila recommended "measure L2 inductances individually and put a cap across one of them"...well, they are actually in parallel so this never made much sense, one must look at them as part of one LC tank.

So i am testing all this by hitting the coil with a 24V DC spark (actually 30V pulsed dc half sine) and measuring it with cursors on the scope. Not to mention i would not recommend this to anyone, you often have to hit it like 10-20 times to get a nice damped sine, i exposed myself to significant sparkgap radiation last few weeks, i am sensitive to cellphones and this is like putting your head in a microwave. I said enough with spark gaps no matter what altho you have to use this method, more on that later.

And of course when i shorted the secondary as it would be with a sparkgap, resonant freq. rose few khz cleary they are reducing each others inductance. Anyway this is not important since you won't excite the secondary directly but with induction, so their magnetic fields are aiding.

The key point is... i then realized closing the primary with a cap or shorting it changes the resonant freq. of the secondary and vice versa.

So i hit the wall here. Basically they drop each other's resonance by few khz. You tune one of them just to find you just untuned the other one. So this is combined resonance, i googled it and there is very little on this. Maybe it's not an issue in ordinary Tesla Coil where secondary is open, altho they do mention sparks reduce it's res freq about 10% but i see no mention of it affecting the res freq of the primary. Well, i can see it changes on the scope.

But when i hit the primary with 24v DC and i watch pri and sec simultaneously on the scope they fire at same frequency and in phase. Again, this is NOT the same frequency they resonate at when i test either of them by themselves (with other one open) but few khz off.

I also constructed a nice spark gap box with two large supposed zinc (obviously not since it's magnetic) bolts with graphite block in between (inspired by William Alek).

I got 12 turns on the flyback, i found a flyback with no caps in the secondary so output is pretty decent pulsed DC thick spark. It naturally fires at around 43KHz unless loaded with 101KOhm of resistors which drops it's resonance for about 10Khz.

So i put few 10nF caps on the ZVS to lower the flyback resonance about 32KHz for the pri and tested. Spark gap firest at about 5-7mm, around 10mm when air is ionized, so let's say 10kV more less. And all i get on secondary from this is measly 30V or something. If i put spark gap in parallel, as said before, then i get no spark at all.

I got a long thick ground cable.

After few days of playing with this mess i got sick and tired of it, i dismounted the big secondary and replaced with with another coil i made before, same 16mmˇ2  wire but more turns, around 38-39, all in same direction, wound close to the same 110 turn primary with 9nF cap.

So here is more quirkiness. With pri and sec closed with their respective caps, 9 and 10nF, when i hit the primary with 24V they both resonated quite strongly, primary 500V and secondary 100V damped wave at 36.2Khz, but when i put function generator on the primary (secondary still closed with it's cap, nothing changed) it resonates best at 1.2MHz around 3V with function gen outputting max 7V, at 36KHz nothing like 80mV. Now understand THAT.

Don't get me wrong, i have no doubt Don Smith and similar devices are real but this stuff is delicate and there are intricacies no one talks about like this combined resonance thing and should we chase the combined resonance or the individual resonance (does not make much sense but this is how Zila allegedly did it).

I know successful replications are EXTREMELY rare, but has anyone had any success with Don Smith or variation of?

Offline nix85

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1278
Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2022, 10:35:23 PM »
Hi Nix,

This is my first post, but YES I've built successful Zilano/Don replications. Her circuits are the real deal I can tell you.

Hi and welcome :) Of course Zilano's circuits are real deal, i know that very very well, well at least the two i posted above, she posted many circuits of which many are scribbles over other people's circuits she probably never even tried.

You claim you built a successful replication, maybe you did, i'm not gonna ask you to confirm that but since you're coming out with a claim you might've as well backed it up with a video (like the one i link below). Anyone can do it with enough persistence.

In any case you got the wrong impression which is not surprising cause that is how post was written, you of course had no way of knowing i was not really looking for another confirmation of success, i have TONS of those. I just wanted to share here what i'm at, i finished with "did anyone have success" not really asking, i just wrote it for no reason, knowing almost certainly no one will say "yea, i did". I if i relied on forum members to tell me it is possible i would've given up a long ago. You had no way of knowing, of course.

There are dozens of resonant solid state successes in my overunity playlist 
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS6CmWwu5VGmYsgX5-2kFtPsE-iIsXj_o

I intentionally said she "allegedly succeeded" altho i KNOW she succeeded 1 zillion % cause in my opinion more than enough info and "inspiration" is already out there (for those with eyes to see) and there is no need to shout from the roofs or try to convince anyone it's possible.

Quote
Your spark gap in parallel will fire, just think of spark gap as a variable capacitor: u must move plates/electrodes together or apart.
Bring ur electrodes together closer, it will fire. If not, use higher NST voltage. everybody has (slightly) different air to break thru depending on ur location.

I am using flyback not NST and, like i said, i got an adjustable spark gap, already testing various distances, but not to get the parallel spark gap to fire but to get the optimal firing frequency (did that yesterday)..

There is no need for parallel sg, that is just another of Zilano's (non-intended) misinformations. Just like her claim that you "must" use two different grounds, not to mention technical flaws i already listed at energetic forum

http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/5012-donald-smith-devices-too-good-to-be-true?p=507286#post507286

I opted for series spark gap cause i prefer it that way and there are more than enough Smith-like devices that work with series spark gap like chubinidze and successful replications of him like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vGP5-qacAY etc.

Quote
Zilano gave away Don's best secrets and its incredible to me nobody besides drak posted Zilano replications cuz she explicited everything.

As far as i know drak did not post a successful replication. In any case, Zilano (contrary to her claim) did not give away any "Don's secret", only new idea (or is it) that came from her is the idea of reverse Don Smith, that is, reverse Tesla coil...which is not needed at all but makes things simpler at the output.

Zilano deserves every respect for her passion for this ​(especially as a girl/woman), her persistence and willingness to "give back" (at energetic forum) as she said.... but she just assembled a bunch of stuff that was already known and that is no secret. Her greatest contribution is another confirmation of success, one of MANY (and BOI there are MANY).

All this was known for a VERY long time. Read this pdf from 2006

http://panacea-bocaf.org/files/RE-OU-v6_1.pdf

Read posts from bolt https://overunity.com/9521/magnacoaster-vorktex/30/

All this goes way back before Zilano and these principles of resonant/reactive-radiant-siphoning/sinking were known since time of Daniel Cook, we are talking 150 to 170 years ago (not to mention the secret orders who ALWAYS had this knowledge since sinking of Poseida..)

It's just very delicate so people dismiss it as "too hard to get" and most don't even try or give up quickly. For me it was never an option to give up, i have infinite persistence not only for this but for gravity control and this is but a step to my main goal.

Quote
u r doing great work, keep it up. there is light at the end of the tunnel.

cheers

:) I know very well i'am doing well and have never for a nanosecond considered giving up, but i appreciate your attempt to "help" :) you could've not known better (we'll see if you'll back up your claim or it will be just another claim with no substance to it).

I further improved my setup and it's now way ahead of where it was in time of writing the above post. Addition of non-inductive coil, sliding ferrite core, much increased primary capacitance (almost 1/4 uF capable of 20kV)......

Again, i appreciate your well intention, but there is no tunnel, there is only light.

Cheers

Offline nix85

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1278
Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2022, 02:50:49 AM »
No worries ofc, i know you had good intentions.

Nothing to back up of your claim of success, why am i not surprised :)

I wasn't asking for anything and i don't care about the parallel sg cause it's not needed, i just said i noticed the combined resonance issue, resonance of coils being affected by the other. Guy says it in the video below

"some people remove the primary while still in the secondary as that can also affect things I find it to be negligible though altering by one and a half kilohertz at the most"

https://youtu.be/Euy2U92I8e4?t=62

But if one is much narrower than the other and thus "sees" the core much less its resonant freq. is barely affected by the core if at all, by sliding the core one can find a sweet spot where they ring. So tuning is not an issue.

By Zila's simple copper tube circuit i assume you mean the one below. There is no tuning in this circuit at all. She just fired DC pulses from NST. I tried that one quickly for fun the other day with steel tube cause i don't have a copper one, bulb did not light at all, even when i added a neodymium. I like that one cause it reminds me of Markovich ATREE but it's too simplistic. Tubes are essential when it comes to polarizing etheric streams gravity-control related, but for resonant-radiant-sink they are not needed at all.

I would not be surprised if most people who replicated Don were HAMs, but then again, there is absolutely no need to be one to do it, of course, knowledge of impedance matching, standing waves, velocity factor etc.... all may come handy especially if you use the air core and resonate in hundreds of MHz region instead of ~30KHz.

The other day i got quite high voltage on the secondary and got to light the 200W bulb to i'd say about 40W, approximately the same as ZVS is using. So tuning was not perfect and there were some things missing. I am now at totally different setup.

Nice touch of subtle sarcasm there, indeed there is only light.

Still waiting to see your "success" video :)

Cheers


Offline forest

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4045
Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2022, 07:11:48 PM »
can you make circuit so when you rub coil with screewdriver it will show bright sparks ?
can you do that using miliamps from primary side and no diode ?
I saw a replication from China doind this, I consider this first step


Offline nix85

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1278
Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2022, 07:22:03 PM »
yup that's the one. use copper not steel. no neo required.

:) No one asked you for "instructions". I said i am going with multi coil, ferrite core rather than that simplistic setup. But since you insist on it, feel free to say what you (supposedly) got out of it.

Steel is as good if not better than copper when it comes to directing etheric streams. Of course neo is not needed since it was not needed in ATREE.

Quote
like zilano said videos can and are faked all the time. am not asking u or any1 to believe me from my word.

ppl just put an induction coil under the table and feed power from somewhere else making it look OU.

"Zilano said" :) We all know there are fake videos. Fakes are easy to spot, just from a thumbnail, not to mention opening the video. Like said before, there are dozens of real resonant OU devices in the playlist i linked.

As for believing you, i do not believe nor disbelieve you, you are making a claim of replicating Zilano, no technical info whatsoever, what is the output you claim to have...Zila shared many cirucits, like i said, most of which are badly drawn scribbles over other people's schematics, pdf attached below.

Quote
there is tuning in that device, b/c we are firing a pulse of DC thru sg setting 50turn coil into AC oscillation. there is always tuning when u have a sg going into a LC tank. think of copper tube as single turn step-down and pri always has parasitic c making it L+C both.

No there is not, of course, you can "tune" it in various ways if you want, but Zila did not suggest it and i don't see her anywhere even mention this setup or elaborate on it.

Imagine, discharging a DC pulse into a coil makes it ring at it's natural resonant frequency, who would say.. Imagine coil has parasitic capacitance and is an LC tank.. Fantastic revelations :)

And no, you cannot observe the tube as a single turn coil, it can rather be observed as a long hollow wire, which will of course, have certain small inductance and capacitance as everything has. Also, assuming that coil has 50 turns as you say, wound on a hollow tube, it's resonant freq. would be way up, probably in MHz region, while NST or flyback fire at "measly" few dozen KHz, hopefully you can understand this means coil rings literally thousands of times per every DC impulse.

Like i said this setup reminds me of Markovich ATREE and tube is not there to serve as single turn step down coil, but to provide a difference in length of path etheric energy passes through the tube versus the path through the coil which establishes a potential difference between the two top and bottom which is then used to induce ordinary electricity in the second coil.
 
Quote
zilano said u need spark gap and resonance both to have OU and I have verified.

Another Zilano's (non-intended) misinformation you recite blindly. As Don Smith said spark gap is not needed. He said this in 95 or 96 lecture and also wrote it in the group in circa 2006. Quote

"spark gaps and lightening arrestors, spark plugs included when I use them are not used as a or frequency or device timing. I use them for spike, overload and lightning protection"

You are making a claim, but your knowledge in the field is clearly limited and in certain aspects flawed.

Also, altho resonance is the leading concept in the OU field, many OU devices work totally not based on resonance whatsoever. So, technically, you do NOT "need it".

Quote
u need a negative resistance to gain, and resonance maintained so impedance is zero (or infinite), so the energy gained is not lost.

Again you are blindly quoting Zila without understanding what you are saying. Of course, literal negative resistance is not needed for OU. We are talking about NEGTROPIC (negative entropy) effects in resonant coils acting as sinks for the ambient energy which APPEARS as negative resistor, this does NOT mean coil becomes literally superconductive, most of these devices dissipate heat according to P = I²R, only in certain far more rare conditions as in Floyd Sweet's device when max power (1kW) was drawn wires froze and device lost all weight, this is when device becomes fully charged with cold electricity, but in usual conversion, that is, etheric step down converters, there is no superconductivity nor negative resistance. Zila recited many things she just read online without giving much thought to it and you recite her literally without discernment.

Quote
I use parallel spark gap sometimes, b/c I use NST and AV plug to charge cap and use single capacitor discharge.

Again, there is no need for parallel sg, stop blindly following what Zila said. Try to use your own intelligence.

Quote
the aim is to short ur primary LC so when spark is off it oscillates at its resonant freq. this is Don basic and its how u get HF AC from spark discharge which is pulsed DC.

:) Imagine, charge a cap until sg breaks down and LC tank rings at it's resonant (usually) high frequency...who would say, never mind that this is the very basics how a Tesla coil works (be it with series cap and parallel sg (usual method, hv hf does not impinge on the transformer feeding the cap) or series sg and parallel cap (hv hf DOES impinge on the transformer feeding the cap and must be protected by a diode or other means). This is the basis of Tesla coil and SOME of DS and DS-based devices and this was already shown and is perfectly assumed.

Quote
u r right LIGHT is everything. Tesla and Walter Russell said this too. I follow Walter Russell and can control gravity, once u know what it is.

Cheers

My my, you read Tesla and Russel and you think you understood gravity. Here, i'll give you my shortened, simplified summary on this matter so you can start to get the real insight of what gravity is and methods of control of it.

https://vril12.wordpress.com/

You can control gravity you say :) I bet you were levitating while you wrote this :)

And then you fell off bed and woke up :)

Cheers

Offline nix85

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1278
Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2022, 07:37:08 PM »
forest you are referring to saltycitrus replication, it was actually a group of people in China who replicated Don. Salty said adjusting the phase was the key to their success, presumably he meant delayed lenz. He used both secondaries in same direction proving there is no need for CW CCW. There is more on it in PJ Kelly's book. Here is the vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cni08WjLTcc

Offline nix85

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1278
Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2022, 08:34:24 PM »
May i also remind everyone that Don revealed in 96 lecture i think that his famous table top device is already obsolete and that he managed to make a device size of match box based on same principles with no coils, no caps, no electronic components at all, capable of "hundreds of thousands of volts and high amps".

So few of these matchboxes could power whole cities.

Now that is something special. I would bet it was carbon with nanolayers of some exotic (or non exotic) elements, probably "baked" in superstrong magnetic/electric field. God knows.

Offline hope-hope

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 29
Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2022, 09:28:59 PM »

hello everyone

it's a big mistake to stick with ZIlano philosophy regarding the Don Smith device ... the induction used in his device is really special ..

regards 

Offline Thomramzes

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 4
Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2022, 09:45:26 PM »
You're so cool

Offline tomd

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 143
Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2022, 10:09:47 PM »
hello everyone

it's a big mistake to stick with ZIlano philosophy regarding the Don Smith device ... the induction used in his device is really special ..

regards

Magnetic induction, electrostatic induction. Then there's the longitudinal or scalar waves as a result of a disruptive discharge. Is it electrostatic induction?

Offline nix85

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1278
Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2022, 11:15:54 PM »
Zilano has good philosophy of course, she made small mistakes here and there but overall did a great job.

I don't think i saw that paragraph from her, maybe i did long time ago. 1W in is tiny input, i guess she meant 25x increase in whatever you put in. I have the part where she talks about tesla coil on a tube inside another tube for production of scalar waves but that is another setup and there are much better methods for that.

Open system is key but i would not agree Don's primary is not "open". Everything is really an open system, a circuit at resonance is "open", a circuit containing a sg is "open", even non resonant circuit with no sg, just collecting BACKEMF can be "open"... of course open meaning allowing ambient E to flow in.

Good for you, 250W is quite big input but who cares. Don usually used much less input, as you probably know. For example he said for his 55KHz strangely wound transformer device, "a MEG before MEG", that input was about 12W and output around 10kW. On Yahoo group in 2006 he said that using 3 resonant Tesla pancakes with 14 watt input he literally melted the diode bridge rated at 20,000V and 200A etc. So Don was basically using high Q extremely high reactive power, very low input, altho for his tabletop device Q was surely low, no core, small number of turns, and yet it worked great, so high Q is not essential, in any case, we cannot say his circuits are closed in any way.

Best luck to you too

Offline hope-hope

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 29
Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2022, 11:52:13 PM »

Hello

@ whitelightningwizard

the real Don Smith device should give Joules = 0.5 x C x V squared x C.P.S. squared small power is there just to perturb the ambient
background or zero point energy the system don't take the power from the primary coil , its there just to perturb or excite the power already available.. high speed radio wave replicate power with squared involved as in the equation above  !
this don't mean your system isn't good if you produce surplus of power it's great !

@  tomd

in my opinion the induction used is electrostatic


Offline nix85

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1278
Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2022, 12:11:48 AM »
Nevermind

Offline nix85

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1278
Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2022, 06:33:11 PM »
@ nix85

I have over a hundred web archived pages from the original forum where Z posted. no idea where I found them, but it was years ago on the net. plus I have all the pdfs assembled from David Fine.
so I have lots of details from z, even deleted pages/posts.

I as well have all the pdfs on Zila from Fine + her post on Bifilar coils saved by someone else + Summary by Vrand + (literally) hundreds and hundreds of screenshots (with key stuff) from these, mostly from Fine's pdfs.

Quote
u r right there are many setups, and just like Don u can think of Z’s circuits as modules. I swap modules from her different circuits and play with this concept. it panned out for me.

Again, most of those are not her circuits but scribbles on other people's circuits.
Of course you can think of and use various circuits as modules, that applies in general.

Quote
u said Don didn’t use spark gap for tuning but not so. yes u pasted his quote, but he said elsewhere that there is millions of times the recognized magnetic flux present at sg. flux comes from current, so z is right the spark gap is a current amplifier, like an open thermionic valve.

I got special folder inside my Zila-Smith folder dedicated to spark-gap overunity specifically, of course i have that Don's quote from yahoo group (altho i keep it in DON SMITH folder), more precisely he said "spark produces millions of times the suspected - recognized magnetic flux". Point is he did not always use a spark gap and it can be done without it.

To quote Don

"spark gap is actually control the level of energy that's passing through there you can do it without the spark gap"

https://youtu.be/_8JwIlHLOUI?t=7590

Point is sg is just just a sudden change in impedance and can replaced by sudden change in thickness of cable, if used for timing by a fast BJT, MOSFET or IGBT (which is a npn mosfet driving a pnp bjt) or just omitted completely.

Few quotes about sg gains...

"V. Mitkevich published a strange observation in Russian, in St. Petersburg, in 1905: an interrupted arc discharge showed an anomalous energetic “kick.” The voltage in the arc reversed at the moment when the arc was disrupted."

https://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue133/forgotten-inventions-of-lenr.html

William Alek tungsten carbon sg gains

http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/SparkGapExp/SparkGapExp.htm

"The Correas have now convincingly demonstrated the principle that it is possible to release from charged metals in a vacuum amounts of free energy which exceed the amounts of energy put into the system."

http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm

"energy available at the output of the helix of the traveling wave tube is 96 times the energy input to the traveling wave tube, in addition to the energy consumed within the traveling wave tube and the energy available in the form of collected particles at the collector electrode"

http://www.rexresearch.com/ev/ev.htm

dieter member here

"Experimenting with a 3kV Sparkgap, shocking a graphite core, I observed strange reduction of power consumption"

https://overunity.com/12328/radiant-electriciy-generated-with-spark-gaps-and-induction-coils-theory/msg502989/#msg502989

Electroboom current draw goes down when sg fires

https://youtu.be/m7VP36diOKY?t=135

"In fact some investigators have proposed that an abrupt voltage pulse with only (vacuum) displacement current and minimal charge motion is sufficient to produce anomalously excessive energy. Bearden (1993) proposed this is his final secret, and Hyde (1990) used this principle in desgining an invention (a mechanical electrostatic field chopper) that reportedly output 20KW while self running. Hyde stressed there should be no corona present whatsoever."

Quest For Zero-Point Energy: Engineering Principles for “Free Energy”
By Moray B. King

"Dr Chernetski demonstrated a device which showed enough excess energy to burn out a power station which it was connected to in a test. It was based around a spark discharge in low pressure hydrogen. Dr Chernetski was then killed in a car accident and his worked taken no further.

In a simpler test he also showed that with the right spark and less “expensive setup” could show a decrease in draw current with an increase in the load."

https://www.nuenergy.org/chernetsky-plasma-generator/

And so on ad infinitum

But, again, it can be done without.

Quote
250W is the output, not input. My inputs are a 9V battery touch to start and then self-running.

You said "I have replicated from 250W to 2kW out" which can be interpreted as 250W in 2kW out but you now say it is 250W out, so what was 2kW a one time thing or never happened, yet you say you work on 7.5kW, God knows what you claim.

Quote
Z said to use a TPU to run the NST and I did same. Then its total free output w/o running a feedback.
I like this method so I do it this way. I used to use like Don a 7aH gelcell for my input to NST.

TPU? Steven Mark TPU? What. Zila said she built her own NST, input is so small it is irrelevant if the prime mover itself is self runner or not. Flyback is as good as NST, neither is better or worse.

Quote
if everything is an open system then why does energy run down? only in closed circuits do we have waste.

Everything is an open system and every circuit is potentially OU if properly designed but conventional circuits discard or shut off the excess, take the ignition coil (pic below), you see that resistor in parallel with the switch, they literally burn the extra energy, throw it away. If that backemf is captured IC would very likely be OU, more or less depending on various factors. The thing to mention here is, as was said on this forum before, that higher the resistor you discharge the backemf into, faster and higher will be the spike, that is the purpose of the cap in series with the resistor in diagram below, to SLOW DOWN/LOWER the spike to protect the switch. But if backemf is fed into another transformer and stepped down, primary circuit should see that as resistive load so spike would remain high and energy harvested, potentially OU or at least close to.

Same is done in conventional motors, as one guy who worked in the industry said when he asked his colleague (i paraphrase) why are we throwing away the BACKEMF, colleague answered just do it, don't ask too many questions. As for reactive to active conversion, if you hit the resonant system once the gain from ambient is too small to keep the oscillation going, let alone power a load, but if you keep feeding it in phase at it's natural res. freq. and build up a large reactive power, you are stirring up the ambient significantly and then strange things can and do happen.

Quote
Remember Don said Amperes (current) is a rate of whats being wasted. I don’t waste in the pri u see. If Don has milliamps in input then he’s still wasting.


Again, if prime mover is not self-sustained it matters not the least if it's using 10W to produce 10kW.

Your idea that you "don’t waste in the pri" is unclear and flawed in my opinion, you are misinterpreting Don. Again, take the greenwave's chubinidze replications. There is nothing special about his primary circuit, it's just a flyback charging a cap which discharges into the coil, just like in an ordinary Tesla coil. As you can see he is inputing 33.75W to fully light an 800W bulb. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vGP5-qacAY

Don often pumped up reactive current to extreme values, the exact opposite of what you're saying, in fact, like someone already said on this forum, this is the key to Don's systems, pump up the huge reactive power and use a small part of it (maybe 10% as Dan Combine and bolt say). Take his famous table-top device, take a good look at those caps before the primary,

https://youtu.be/ux-Cw01E36U?t=1488

they appear to be 3uF 4000VDC, firstly it is strange that caps of those values are that small, usual size for such cap is waaaay larger usually cylinder. But let's say they are those values. Do you understand such cap discharging into a 5 turn coil of negligible resistance would produce HUGE current, possibly on order of 100 amps or more for a brief instant. So there is nothing here about reducing the current, just the contrary.

Need i remind that capacitance decreases your Q, Q = 1/R * √(L/C) but again, from Don's devices we can see high Q is not essential.


Offline nix85

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1278
Re: Just another Don Smith thread
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2022, 09:04:02 PM »
ok if u insist u don’t need spark gap, u do need to gain current somewhere somehow tho. just sayin’  :)

I am all for sg, that's why i gave so many examples that sg gives gain, but it's important to also listen to Don and others and understand current gain can be done without.

Quote
I have opinion and freedom of speech so no worries if u disagree.  ;)

We all do. No worries if you don't agree with me either ;)

Quote
250W—2kW is the output ranges I have built, many different sized devices. sorry to confuse u.

No need to apologize.

Quote
I started with low output and kept increasing yield. input power never changes.

7.5kW is a commercial unit I am developing for home use like Saith Technologies already sells.

I already wrote about Maxwell S. Chikumbutso here and am following his channel.

Quote
Yes TPU aka Leedskalnin PMH.

TPU was wound on CORK, it had no ferromagnetic core whatsoever, it was a principle of wire through coils pulsed with 2-3 frequencies that was reproduced (to a degree) by Otto, and another guy in my overunity playlist, so very different from Leedskalnin's PMH.

Quote
Zilano used homebuilt flyback but I never used that sorry. so much easier to use NST with or w/o gfi.

Let me quote Zila "i made my own nst(without gfi)", so, like i said, she built a NST not a flyback. NST or flyback without diodes would be preferable if you want to feed primary in phase (if your sg fires in sync with primary resonance), but if you just charge a cap (build up significant energy) and fire through sg, then it's irrelevant, well, NST full rectified will have twice the frequency than FB, but those are nuances, i'd guess cap(s) will charge in about the same time for same power input.

Quote
Her input was 65W she stated she needed fat spark with her air coils. she had big thick sec like Kapanadze with multi-sliding taps, taking off multiple resonant copies from same resonance unit. u can do same!

She clearly wrote she first tried to replicate Don's aircore device at 246MHz 1/4 length with naked thick secondary (so she can slide the contact for tuning).... and FAILED (i can find the quote if you want), then she went with step down version (at 35.1KHz) and "force resonated L1 and L2 with caps" and after 6 months got it to work, first 2.5kW and later 10kW. I know well "i can do the same" (the aircore ver) but as Zila said ferrite core gives more juice so i opted for that. You never said did you go with aircore or ferrite.

Quote
well u can disagree with closed vs open, but u take a + and a — from a battery and u WILL run it down by loading. in a closed circuit energy is wasted and the rate of waste is in unit ampere. after a while, i got the feel of Z and understood she was showing different ways of making open circuit pri.

Sure, load will drain the battery so you can call the most basic circuit with just battery and a resistor "closed" if you like. But as soon as you add asymmetry, sudden impedance changes, fast impulses, resonance... then we can hardly talk of "closed" circuit anymore, all these and others being potential sinks for the ambient.

And what is a battery but source of potential, as Don Smith said you don't get power from the power company, they just provide alternating potential to disturb your local ambient background.

Wasted current is in ampers so is the gain current, so.

Quote
u say my idea is unclear and flawed but it runs fine no less. it don’t need ur blessing.

Just cause something works does not mean your idea of how it works is correct. You must formulate CLEARLY what you want to say (not just you, everyone ofc). Not just say my primary is open and that's it. Any asymmetry/sudden impulse/resonance... is "open".

Quote
answers sometimes come that are not what we expect, and in studying energy this is absolutely true in my experience. an open mind is a requirement.

Of course, i see that myself. Open mindness, that is, neutral observation, patience, thoroughness and persistence is a must, More knowledge (connected dots) and experience we have we get more "feel" for things, which is understanding on a deeper level.

Quote
I don’t worry about Q, if I did all my coils would be square dimension but this isn’t feasible all the time.

Well, high Q is usually preferable, but obviously not essential.

Quote
ur pic of ignition coil is good example b/c that bottom HV wire is shorted to pri pos. so one single wire makes a primary and secondary field.
this means ur spark is actually neutral charge b/c it will jump to battery neg AND battery pos which is 100% dead short with that connecting wire there.

Cheers

I never found out why exactly they connect primary and secondary in ICs but i have to disagree with what you say, sure you can say one wire makes pri and sec field, but first of all, these fields are offset in time, pri field builds up, collapses and as it collapses secondary field builds up. Secondly, we can assume secondary current splits between the cap-resistor path and the battery. The key point being the secondary current does not flow through battery in both directions but in one direction.

In any case IC as is is wasting energy for stated reason, IF backemf was captured then it would very possibly be OU.