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Title: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 07, 2022, 03:40:19 PM

Hello to All,




First, I would like to thank Pierre Cotnoir for showing his setup, plus the moderated Thread by Gotoluc...unfortunately now gone south.


All this readings and watching his videos, make me realize what I was doing wrong in all my experiments in these fields about seven or eight years ago...


Do to these exhaustive experiments done many years ago, trying to get just the Magnetic Field moving within the steel cores and windings...then just by seen Pierre's videos, and reading his comments on that Thread, I realized where was my main error, and to put it in simple words:

I was collapsing the Magnetic Field...

And this is the crucial point here!!...the whole, main field can NEVER DIE!!, not even for one millisecond or even one nanosecond...So, you could switch a minimal number of coils at a time, but ALWAYS leaving the majority of coils which configure each Pole, turned on.


Then the words from Thomas Bearden, (Rest In Peace) kept pounding on my ears: "Whatever you do...don't ever, kill the Dipole!!"

If you collapse the main field by cutting off its feed, even for a fraction of a second, everything will have to restart again from scratch...and so, you will never get to generate a growing, development over time of energy output...simple.


And of course, there are some other "secrets" involved to make it more and more successful...however, I would not keep any of these secrets just for me here...my point in opening this Thread, is that You will also be successful reproducing this effects...as that would be my "protection".


I will start, like I always do...when I disclose something that eventually will become more clever, more complicated...and that is by first starting by a very simple experiment...very simple.


A long time ago, I built a small mechanical Rotary Switch, which could commutate a series of coils remotely...by just wires transfering the switching.


And NO, you can not just buy it "off the shelf", or "order it on line" anything that even looks similar to this type of switch...so, yes, it has to be built from scratch.


This Rotary Switch I used it to run the 1908 Clemente Figuera setup...where the Field is only moved forward and back, by step up, step down, just by the High side or Positive feed...so, my rotary was set with only one brush feeding the coils, while negative ground was always connected.


However, I had the original switch set with dual slip rings...and now, I had to dust it off...and reset it for dual brushes sweeping on a 16 elements, brand new commutator...I am still working on that...


This way, I will be able to show a system working without a lot of clever circuits, consisting on a bunch of relays, or FET's...and Microprocessors, like an Arduino or a Raspberry PI...or any other Programmable Logic Controller....plus writing codes, etc,etc.


I will put it in straight Black and White, for sake of the simplest understanding first.


And attached is an image of this simple test...diagram, that I would be testing and adding a video very soon.


The Rotary Switch should be build with heavy contacts, which could be used also for higher voltages and amperages in the future...while a very small motor will be in charge to just rotate the brushes and slip ring...and I will  keep adding images of my progress here...




Cheers






Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Magnetic Field through Steel Core and Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 07, 2022, 04:18:10 PM

BASIC MAIN WINDINGS AND CIRCUIT OF GENERATOR STATOR PLUS STATIONARY LAP WOUND ARMATURE



Here I will show a Diagram of the Basic Winding which involves a Generator Field (Green outer windings of a Single Phase shown here, without showing the rotor exciting coils) and the Inner Stationary Rotor...which is basically a typical Simplex Lap Winding, however (and this is the first secret) that the size of the main poles, (here are just two Poles) must MATCH the Generator Output Coils width.


Now, the good news is that we could find this whole similar set up in an Universal Brushed Motor...already wound from factory, with balanced coils in size and in number of turns, in Armature and in Stator... ;D


These type of Universal Motors, as also the Permanent Magnet ones, have a Lap wound Armature...and they perform by keeping an ALWAYS ON AND STATIC Magnetic Field...and in charge of the Rotation are the series connected coils constantly rversing their Polarity in Voltage hence in Magnetic Poles...


So, no matter how fast this rotor is spinning...the Magnetic Field will always remain static, lingering spatially all the way to interact with the coils on the Stator.


Then what we will be doing here...is just the "Reverse Engineering" of the whole system...which means to keep rotor static, firmly attached to main frame, keeping an air gap...where we could just use high temp tape that we use for coils winding...instead of the air gap.


And then rotating just the Magnetic Field by rotating the Brushes with our simple Rotary Switch... ;)
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Magnetic Field through Steel Core and Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 07, 2022, 04:39:41 PM

FURTHER EXPLANATION ON THE SIMPLEX LAP WOUND ARMATURE



So, all these coils in the armature are connected in SERIES in a FULL CLOSED LOOP...with a "Y" derivation to each commutator element from each coil...


And brushes, typically set apart by 180º, are in charge to DIVIDE this Stationary (on motor) Field Poles in North-South...and this imaginary line between the two brushes, comes to be what is called as the "Bloch Wall"...which is normally PERPENDICULAR to the Stators Coils dividing line.


When the Armature is energized (Positive and Negative) through the brushes, there is immediately developed a full Attraction and a Full Repulsion at each Magnetic Pole, forcing the Rotor to "spin"...but what is actually taking place is that one of the coils of each pole side are reversing their polarity, by "passing to the other side" of the Magnetic Field, defined by the Brushes imaginary line...while Field is completely Static.


The great side of these type of windings, is that Currents are kept on the low side (and pretty constant) during operation, no matter how high we dial the Voltages up...which keeps the Magnetic Field very stable.


Explanation of the attached Image:


It is an Upper View of a typical PM Symmetrical Motor, where I have painted all coils with the same color as the magnetic pole where they are "momentarily" energized by the brushes...so Red are South Pole Coils, and Blue are North Side Coils...and this is an image taking place in a fraction of a second...as they are constantly exchanging from one side to the other side of the Static Magnetic Field....


If you notice the Field is always ON and Static, while majority of coils are energized polarizing the Field main poles...as ONLY TWO COILS AT A TIME (one coil per pole), are switching or reversing polarities...this is exactly what we need for our test.




To be continued and keep checking for further editing




Cheers




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 08, 2022, 11:07:51 PM
Hello to All,


Thanks RhineX for sending me the video links!! :D


About this guy in Korea, who is doing very similar experiments (2016-2018) as the test I have proposed, and that I am working on at the moment...


They say He is getting somewhere around 170% COP...but I have not confirmed that yet...


Anyways, just to share his work and video links here...


In my opinion, He is making some mistakes...and have no idea how he can reach those numbers.

He is overkilling his setup, the brushes rotation are using a too heavy assembly, too big motor (as Prime Mover), ... just to turn brushes and slip ring assy we do not need that much power!!!


I am using a very small, little 5-18V motor that not even reaches one amp at max RPM's...


In the second video (2018) He is got a different configuration...making even heavier the prime mover...without upgrading his main Generator output source or the Universal Motor...


Again, it is not needed that many brushes like he has on second video...maybe four or six at max, which will divide the Field in four or six poles, instead of two poles with two brushes...and having more fields will reduce the required speed to reach 50-60 cycles...same as in a typical generator.


There are many things that could be done on this setup...like adjusting Brushes Angle, to narrow the Field width from 180º up to 90º ...or more...but all depends on the stator width.




FIRST VIDEO (2016) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWJITEQeGho)




SECOND VIDEO (2018) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZeZyR8LD7A)






Cheers






Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 08, 2022, 11:09:57 PM
And here are some images from his latest (2018) video...
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 08, 2022, 11:45:42 PM
Resuming...


Anyways, no matter what, it is great to see that someone, on the other side of the Globe...is also trying to work on this... :)


As it shows that there is an Induction generated by just rotation of the Virtual Field through the static steel cores and coils...


As I mentioned before...this is just a simple testing to observe, read your parameters...as the same rotary switch could be used to drive much bigger fields on larger machines...


Eventually there could be done a better winding, specifically designed for a higher field density and strength on the Armature or Static Rotor.


What I really want to test...is the posibility to loop the output to the Input, after ac from output passing diode bridge and running small cap...to the input...then disconnect PSU... :D


I will be very happy, if this could be achieved...even if a second load could not be added...but eventually allow us to add specific secondaries at 90 degrees from main output coils (in order not to upset mains)...just to loop Exciter...like any small single phase generator does... ;)




Cheers






Ufopolitics


Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 09, 2022, 09:18:34 PM
Hello to All,


Again, I want to thank Member RhineX for sending me the links to the Google Patent of this device build by Jae-Soon Park (the Korean guy), that I previously posted his tests...


Here is the link for the USPTO Patent link: PATENT # 8629588 (https://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=8629588.PN.&OS=PN/8629588&RS=PN/8629588)


And I could not believe this guy patented his tests!!...which were meant just to do that, test, research, experiment, improve means to output better results...etc,etc.


And He is still adding the huge motor (on pat images) and the same type of armature arrangement, which already exists in all Universal Motors Lap Windings...


An "off the shelf", OEM, Universal Motor, like he shows, -on his tests, and on his patent- will never, ever, output the same way as a dedicated Generator-Frame and Windings will do, based on number of turns, wire gauge, spatial  distribution of the coils, which could have included Three Phase Windings, plus the looping coils to feed exciter or stationary coils here... etc,etc...


He just spent the money, hire attorneys and patented an unfinished product...maybe, because he was "excited" by his results...then decided to "protect" his idea/invention...from others who may steal it...


Anyways, this test is just what I said previously it is...a simple test, it will get way more complicated later on...it is just so you can see what happens here...compare Input versus Output numbers, measure Amps and Volts In-Out...What happens when loaded?...check which best RPM is suited for a better Output Sinewave, seen on a Scope...add then running caps...and retest...and so on and on.


One of the issues I have found on these system from my previous experiments...and now I have seen it on one of his videos below, as it happened exactly the same way to me:


On this video HERE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scfEaNilYHk), at  minute 0:43 He shorts the output with his hand (Picture attached)...bulbs go off...and unless we are talking about 12 V and low amperage, stioll is AC, no diode bridge here...and let's realize these are incandescent bulbs, not LED's...


The Currents on the Output show they are higher in size than at Input...however, if you get the output and short it...say at 3 Amps...no sparks take place at all....the output just collapses (I have done that)...on his videos the two incandescent bulbs just turn off...and of course, the prime mover, turning the brushes is not affected by the short as they are two completely independent circuits.


But the issue here is that even looking as a higher Output, on V&A, Amps does not have the "real power" as they represent on the readings.


I mean, if you just touch, 120 Volts and 3 Amps in AC Output, you will get a shock!!...but not here...


This issue could be resolved, but not simply...we will have to modify the Exciting Armature, structure and windings...


What I think is happening here, is the fact that a Magnetic Field backed up by a moving steel core (like we have in all rotary generators), will enhance, add more density to the power output... much more than just the virtual field rotation on a full static steel core...




But, the solution would be shown after I make it work, and be sure it does solve this issue, (still some time until I make that specific armature structure and windings)...as I have to first test the simple Universal Motor...and do all this measurements and tests.




Cheers




Ufopolitics




Edit 1: I just noticed when uploading images here, on MAIN DIAGRAM_2...that he uses an Inverter, to feed back output power back to brushes (Input) through a battery...I mean, I hope he is referring to a simple Diode Bridge...and not to a whole inverter set...
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 09, 2022, 09:41:12 PM
PATENT 8,629,588 CLASSIFICATION:


H02K53/00 - Alleged dynamo-electric perpetua mobilia

Perpetua mobilia obtained e.g. by


by combining electrodynamic machines (e.g. small motor driving a larger generator whose output is used to feed the driving motor;)


by particular arrangements of PM (permanent magnets) only.






This is the typical response from any Patent Office in the International Commonwealth of Patent Treaties...


Whenever an individual walks in their offices claiming a "combination of electrodynamic machines"...where a small motor (or circuit) is driving a larger generator, then looping it all...




You can NOT Patent Free Energy System guys!!...do not insist!!...It is money and time wasted!!




No one will even pay attention to your invention.






Regards






Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 10, 2022, 08:37:44 PM
NOTICE TO ALL:




I would  NOT, under ANY circumstances, allow nor accept, ANY Nay Sayer's Comments here, on these Threads.


That is the ONLY reason I accepted to DISCLOSE HERE...as a Moderator , thanks to Administrator of the entire site, Stefan Hartmann and to "Chet" RAMSET.


So, if you post any "Nay" saying comments here...and you are still "seeing it" ...you may need to REFRESH  your browser, which resets your "Cache Memory"..


Or it could be that I am not logged in, or away from the website...it will not take long, though, as it will get done, in time...


This Thread is intended ONLY for people willing to do (BUILD) all future tests and share them, verify their results HERE.


Images, at least, should be posted of your progress, but videos would be more suitable.


I will allow any willing builder to open his-her thread under the main one.




All others, please, just remain as viewers...and like I always write on all my videos: many thanks for watching!!




Respectfully






Ufopolitics (Moderator)
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: citfta on April 10, 2022, 10:32:08 PM
Hi Ufo,


I hope you don't mind if I ask a question about this topic.  I think I am missing something.  I don't understand what the difference is between this machine with the rotating brushes and a regular car alternator.  Both of them are moving a magnetic field inside the stator coils.  And both of them maintain a continuous strength magnetic field.  So what makes the machine of this thread any better than a car alternator.  What am I missing?  Am I misunderstanding what I am looking at?  Thanks for any clarification you can give.


Respectfully,
Carroll
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 10, 2022, 11:00:49 PM
Hi Ufo,


I hope you don't mind if I ask a question about this topic.  I think I am missing something.  I don't understand what the difference is between this machine with the rotating brushes and a regular car alternator.  Both of them are moving a magnetic field inside the stator coils.  And both of them maintain a continuous strength magnetic field.  So what makes the machine of this thread any better than a car alternator.  What am I missing?  Am I misunderstanding what I am looking at?  Thanks for any clarification you can give.


Respectfully,
Carroll


Hello Citfta,




Great question!!!...excellent!!


Sure I can answer your doubts, even though I know that you know perfectly well how both are designed as how they work...
As you may have missed something...


THE SPATIAL GEOMETRY OF THE MAGNETIC FIELD

If you look again at a car alternator...the Magnetic Field is completely Static, no matter how fast you spin the rotor...
Alternators have the Coil, which generates the Magnetic Field, wound around (or parallel we could say) to the rotor shaft...then generating an upper and a lower pole.
The rotor steel core configuration (top and bottom) have these tooth like, which redirects the magnetic poles and alternate them in N/S/N/S/N in order to be facing the Induced Coils and Stator core...


However, the Magnetic Field is always Static (related to main N/S poles spatial positioning)...




And so, what we are going to be doing here is Moving the Magnetic Field through steet cores and coils which are completely static.






Regards






Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 10, 2022, 11:05:15 PM

Hello,



Here is my Rotary Switch progress...almost finished, have to set all connecting bolts-nuts...and hook all wires...plus make all connecting 16 wires to be soldered to the armature/rotor of the test small universal motor.


I ordered  a couple of Universal heavier DC Motors...should be coming next week hopefully.




I set my hand there on one pic...so you could compare sizes of the whole rotary power switch...


Yes, I installed a brand new flat commutator, 16 elements...


And made some "tune up" and clean up to the small little motor...which I wound specially for this job a long time ago...in order to consume very little power, as to have pretty good torque...no need to go over 4000 RPM's for this job.




Cheers




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: citfta on April 10, 2022, 11:37:05 PM
Thanks for your reply to my question.  I'll keep following along to see how this works out. 


Very nice looking brush/commutator set-up you have built.  Really looks great!


Later,
Carroll
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 13, 2022, 07:35:03 PM

Hello to All,








THE TANK CIRCUIT IN A TYPICAL GENERATOR





This is related to a typical, Single Phase Home Generator...any wattage


And here I would be specifically relating to the Excitation Circuit composed of:


1- Two Stator Coils, facing each others at 180º, and normally set at 90º to the Main Output Fields...these two coils are made of finer wire than main out Coils, and they have a plug which connects to a Running Capacitor. So, this Two Coils (in series between them) are in Parallel connected to a Cap...


And so, what we have here is simply a "Parallel Tank or Resonant Circuit (https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-6/parallel-tank-circuit-resonance/)"... ;D


2- The second part of this circuit are the Two Rotor Coils...which are also in a closed circuit by two Diodes.


I am showing a Diagram of both circuits in one image for clear understanding, to compare and to explain...


At plain start, from rest, any Generator have two small permanent magnets, set at 180º in Rotor Core...which assists in case any magnetic reminiscence in the rotor steel core is gone...
Besides that, if a Generator has been in storage for a long time...it may also need a "Flash Charge"...which is just to charge the Running Capacitor with an external currentof 120V or 220V (if the case)...then our generator is ready to start generating output.


Once the Magnetic Field starts rotating at the required Frequency, (50-60Hz normally) it will Induce an AC Current in Stator Coils, which in term is stored in Running Capacitor...and so...the old  story about Tank Circuits starts the "back and forth" jump of currents...


Point is, that the Exciter Circuit operates in two stages...


1- Charge takes place from the Tank Circuit to Rotor Coils at 90º...to a Full Magnetization of the Steel Core.


2- Discharge of the Rotor Circuit Coils, again at 90º more degrees, into the Output Coils...through Induction or Flux discharge (call it as you please.. :) ).


Please see attached Diagram of the Charge-Discharge Stages of the Exciter Circuit...


Here are some useful links to a better understanding, plus using the Formulas...and conversions


Calculations and Formulas of Tank Circuits (https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/tools/tank-circuit-resonance-calculator/)


Calculator finding out one parameter (https://goodcalculators.com/resonant-frequency-calculator/), when having at least two of the three involved (f, L & C) or Frequency, Inductance and Capacitance required to be in Resonance...


Conversion from Microhenry to Henry (https://www.inchcalculator.com/convert/microhenry-to-henry/)

The previous Calculator gives results in Microhenry...so to take it to Henry




Well, We all know the Frequency that a Generator operates...it is either 50 or 60 Hertz...


The Inductance of our coils by measuring with an LCR Meter...


And We calculate the Cap value we need to work out successfully.




Note: This knowledge is very useful in order to conduct the tests with the Universal Motor...and be successful.




ATTENTION: ANY NAYSAYER COMMENTS , JUST WILLING TO START DISRUPTING HERE, WITHOUT ANY GOOD INTENTION OF CRITICISM OR CONTRIBUTIONS, WILL BE REMOVED "IPSO FACTO"!!








Respectfully






Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 13, 2022, 08:16:04 PM
Hello again,


Today a Universal Motor would be arriving...it is a German build...pretty strongly made...oops...it just arrived while I was typing!!


Here is a pic... ;D


Is a Groschopp, and all connections are outside...in order to set it in series conn. or parallel connections...or to measure each coil individually...as Armature Inductance and resistance right from the two brushes...


It can work with 120V and with 50V...AC or DC...


I also ordered two LCR Meters, different calculating algorithms, in order to compare accuracy...


I will also verify on my lab generators for Equation Formula consistency of all parameters...L,C,R basically...as Frequency is constant.






Cheers








Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 14, 2022, 06:38:52 PM
Hello to All,


Ok, the Groschopp Universal Motor runs beautifully, very smooth, no spark gaps...I still need to take it to 3600 RPMs and take Armature readings of V&A


These type of motors after you turn them off completely...they keep spinning freely for a long while...since they do not have magnets...there is zero magnetic friction....feels great!!


But  there "was" an issue...this motor have 24 elements in the commutator, my Rotary Switch commutator have only 16 elements...


So I have to get all this into a CAD...in order to find a possible sequence...without affecting the Magnetic Field overall behavior.


And yes, I found it...while the only change would be minimal in Field performance...here is the diagram for connections plus the angles of field propagation.


When Brushes are in between two segments (division of two elements at center of brush, as shown on Diagram) of a non connected element. the Field will reduce from 24 total Coils to 20 Coils active...meaning 10 Coils North and 10 Coils South...until brushes make full contact with commutator element, then Field will go back to 24 Coils active, 12 Coils per pole.




Edit 2: Again, this fluctuation of the field (from 12 to 10 coils per pole) only takes place eight times in a full turn, while Field running in full (all 12 coils per pole) through the other 16 full contacts...since there are only eight elements not connected, and spread around the 24 elements circumference.


Please note that all light blue Motor Commutator elements are not connected, so I am jumping one every two elements connected...with a total of eight [8] Coils which are not connected to switch, however, they are all still connected in  series between them.


So, this sequence will take place only in the transition from element to element...and not affecting the whole main  field overall performance...I hope.


Edit 1: Where I believe I would be able to notice this is on the Scope signal...maybe a bit of scattering, not a straight smooth curve...we will see.




Regards






Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Cadman on April 15, 2022, 12:53:39 AM
Hi Ufo,

You know a lot more about this stuff than I do, but isn’t this setup apt to cause a lot of sparking at the brushes? Maybe AC caps across the switch's commutator segments would help?

Just a thought.

Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 15, 2022, 02:07:14 PM
Hi Ufo,

You know a lot more about this stuff than I do, but isn’t this setup apt to cause a lot of sparking at the brushes? Maybe AC caps across the switch's commutator segments would help?

Just a thought.


Hello Cadman,


It shouldn't...let me explain.


This is a typical Symmetric Motor , a Lap wound where coils are all in series.
They run very smoothly at "idle" (no load)...no sparks...current (Amperage) maintains itself regulated at a constant level...and when accelerated it even comes down a bit.
However, the minute you add a mechanical load, everything changes...sparks galore and currents increase to max values.


But, on this design, I will not have any mechanical load at the rotor...it is just rotating a massless field through the metals (steel & copper)...the rotor would be static.
And as long as the prime mover (small motor) keeps spinning the field, the rotor coils will just keep "warm"...

It is the same, exact function, as when the motor is running at idle...no mechanical load.

When we add a load at output stators, they will magnetize stronger, but rotor is static, so Lenz have no where to go...where to act.

And the rotating, Exciting field may demand a bit of higher power (by showing a drop at loaded output power) to compensate for the stronger magnetization of the stators...that is all.

Same exact behavior as a loaded generator, where the gas engine needs to step up torque and speed , because it drops as heavier loads are added to output...
AVR will detect this drop at output, and increase magnetization at Exciter Coils...

And here we will not need a higher torque, just increase a bit of speed to small motor and power to Exciter...which will eventually be done automatically by the stators exciting coils (not on this test yet) when speed of rotating field is increased.

I will be adding a small AC Cap, at the input, between both brushes...but for another test I am planning as well.

However, these are all assumptions, until I test it for real...setup will answer all our doubts...I maybe completely wrong.

It did arce and sparked a lot prior, when I was collapsing the coils in every single degree of rotation...


We will see now...


Thanks and warm Regards friend.




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 15, 2022, 09:07:59 PM

Hello,




Here is an update image...


Done with the rotary contacts wiring and small universal tool motor commutator wiring ...now match and connect.
Still lot of work ahead...but, getting closer...


Had to clean up a huge mess on bench previously...to now create a second mess... :)


Btw, I got one of the LCR Meters yesterday (orange one, on right hand of screen)




Cheers




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 17, 2022, 11:58:07 PM
Hello...and Happy Eastern to All!!


I have done some quick tests with the small RYOBI Hand Tool...and it came out wonderful.
Of course, this is a small motor so have to play with smaller voltages.


But the main issue here that I want to share, is how I have set the brushes on the rotary switch...yesterday, I was testing with just two brushes...and there was a lot of sparking, a lot of BEMF returning back to Input PSU...


So I decided to close the Field Range by adding four brushes (this brush housing on switch, was designed for 4 brushes) but they have to be in a way that is NOT as Motors have it.


Normally a four brush motor will have an arrangement of /+/-/+/- / and that way the field gets split into Four Fields at the Rotor.


However, I did it in order to keep just one field, but close its angle at the Poles, by setting brushes like: /+/+/-/-/ , therefore, the coils within the two plus (+) and two minus (-) will not be energized, not generating a field, but just conducting power...and so, Field Spectrum is way much cleaner.


Magnetic Field will not have any "scrambling" which happens with just two brushes...and it is due to coils at the contacts (+/-) will be intersecting with BOTH main poles...I will make next week a CAD to show what I mean, however, on my previous image here that have an armature, wound with lap windings, you can see that I colored these next to input plus and minus in a different color (magenta) than all the red-blue coils defining the North-South Poles.


I will upload again that image here...for easier access.
I will also upload a picture here of this way to arrange the four brushes at rotary switch...


SHORT TEST VIDEO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQpWmvkAqsc)


Now, this video above is NOT Published on my Channel, (I do not want my subscribers to go like WTH is that??...lol, since I always give an explanation previously) so, it is UNLISTED, and I made it just for this Forum.




Regards






Ufopolitics





P.D: This video is not trying to demonstrate any Overunity at all...it was only intended to show a couple of things.


1- We can increase Output Power by just increasing Field rotational speed, without affecting -at all- Input parameters (V&A).
2- Also to share the huge difference it did to my previous tests by changing to four brushes, the way I have described prior...
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 22, 2022, 06:17:23 PM
THE MAIN GENERAL IDEA OF FIELD SPECTRUM DISPLACEMENT...given as a short Abstract:




ABSTRACT:


A Sequential Series of Orderly Switching, that could be done in several ways, from a primitive small Rotary Switch, or Relays, or from State of the Art in Electronics, all leading to perform same Mutations of smaller percentages of the Main Magnetic Field, without ever allowing a full collapse of the main Magnetic Field, which induce to a Displacement over Space/Time of this Field Spectrum of apparent Massless and Invisible to plain eyes, through all metals where it is generated, eg: Steel Cores, Copper Coils, etc...
This continuous displacement of this Field Spectrum through space/time, while all components which generate it, stay static, will produce pure and constant Energy, for as long as it keeps moving.












I know this should have been on my first page...and I can change that...but I will not...it is still about the same, exact main principle of whole Thread and Sub-Threads here...




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Semi on April 23, 2022, 09:40:26 PM
Hey Ufo,

I did some Math regarding the RPM and switching Frequency of the RMF. It would be awesome If you could double check this please?
Also I have some thoughts and Questions I would like to point out.

On a Generator with 50 Hz Output Frequency:
Time Period T = 1/f with f in Hz = 1/s
- a 2 Pole Rotor must spin with the same speed, it has therefor T_2P = 20 ms,
- a 4 Pole Rotor can spin just half this fast to get the 50 Hz out, f_4P=25 Hz, -> T_4P = 40 ms

Q: What is a typically exciting Voltage on a constantly rotating power generator?
Is it approx the same Voltage in DC as the Output? Like in a Car Alternator, where after the initial
exciting from the Batterie, the output Voltage serves as an exciting source. Approx 12V i.e.

If you have a 24 Slot commutator, means 24 Coils, now with 4 Poles, means 6 coils for each Pole and 12 for 2 Poles.
So these 12 coils must be switched or rather shifted with the Time Period T_RMF, that it simulates T_4P ?!
Therefor it must be:
12 x T_RMF = T_4P (x stands for times, not for the cross product)
this is equal to:
12 x f_4P = f_RMF => 12 x 25 Hz = 300 Hz -> T_RMF = 3,33 ms

This also means, with your 4 Pole and 24 Coil RMF, the output Signal must be 12 times slower than your input Signal.
You have to drive 300 Hz on the Input, to simulate a with 25 Hz rotating 4 Pole Rotor, to get your 50 Hz Signal out.

Q: Can you confirm this? Can you measure your coils switching frequency with your osci? Perhaps with the single shot function?

I think you've already proven a lot of your claims with your short clip. If I figure the values right, your excited DC EMF is almost
the same as your induced AC EMF.

Q: Any Idea why this is?

I thought, compared to a generator or Transformer, the output Voltage stands in a relation to the number of turns from the input
and output windings. Hence an universal motor doesn't have this relation between input and output windings. A Generator does.
So it could make sense, that your induced EMF will be more or less always the same as
your excited EMF. Generally spoken, in Generators and transformers, the Induced EMF is a function of the input frequency,
If N1 is not equal to N2. I think it could be possible that in an universal motor N1=N2, due to its nature.

Q: Can you confirm this? Did you measure different excited and induced EMF with different frequencies?
Q: What is the nominal Voltage your rotor has to take, when running as a Motor?
Q: What are your Coil Values? Different Values from different LCR-Meters?

Cheers
Semi

Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 24, 2022, 08:51:22 PM
Hey Ufo,

I did some Math regarding the RPM and switching Frequency of the RMF. It would be awesome If you could double check this please?
Also I have some thoughts and Questions I would like to point out.

On a Generator with 50 Hz Output Frequency:
Time Period T = 1/f with f in Hz = 1/s
- a 2 Pole Rotor must spin with the same speed, it has therefor T_2P = 20 ms,
- a 4 Pole Rotor can spin just half this fast to get the 50 Hz out, f_4P=25 Hz, -> T_4P = 40 ms


Hello Semi,


Wow...what a "bombardment of questions" here....hehehehe


But, ok, about your above first question...


let's remember who dictates the Output Frequency in a Generator?


It is dictated by the RPM of the Exciter, and directly -in  a typical generator- is given by the speed of the ICE Engine.


Yes, of course the higher the number of poles on the Exciter, the lesser the RPM's required.


For an Output of 50Hz a Two Pole Exciter Rotor must reach 3000 RPM's, while a Four Pole will just need half of that, or 1500 RPM's.


And so, for a 60 Hz, it needs 3600 RPM's for Two Poles, and 1800 RPM's for a four poles exciter.



Q: What is a typically exciting Voltage on a constantly rotating power generator?
Is it approx the same Voltage in DC as the Output? Like in a Car Alternator, where after the initial
exciting from the Batterie, the output Voltage serves as an exciting source. Approx 12V i.e.


No, the voltage to power the generator exciter coils is HIGHER, than the Output Voltage.
For example, a typical 120V/20A Output Generator will require its exciter to run at approximatedly 170-180V and 1-2 amps



If you have a 24 Slot commutator, means 24 Coils, now with 4 Poles, means 6 coils for each Pole and 12 for 2 Poles.
So these 12 coils must be switched or rather shifted with the Time Period T_RMF, that it simulates T_4P ?!
Therefor it must be:
12 x T_RMF = T_4P (x stands for times, not for the cross product)
this is equal to:
12 x f_4P = f_RMF => 12 x 25 Hz = 300 Hz -> T_RMF = 3,33 ms

This also means, with your 4 Pole and 24 Coil RMF, the output Signal must be 12 times slower than your input Signal.
You have to drive 300 Hz on the Input, to simulate a with 25 Hz rotating 4 Pole Rotor, to get your 50 Hz Signal out.

Q: Can you confirm this? Can you measure your coils switching frequency with your osci? Perhaps with the single shot function?


Sorry Semi, but I do  not understand your reasoning (Mathematics) on this...


You are mixing 12 (from 12 Coils in a 2P) with "T_4P"?


But basically it is the total opposite to your conclusions above...No, the Field can never rotate faster than the outpur frequency required!!


If you do that, there would not be any output at all...


Here we are rotating a Spectrum that goes faster than light...and can go through metals like through air...so, more likely The Field must be driven SLOWER, than the needed output frequency...and that applies to 2P and 4P...and even 6P.


To get the right and best output frequency, the Field must be driven very slowly...and up, until the reached correct timing is met...if you keep going higher, after reaching the "sweet spot"...the output will start decreasing.



I think you've already proven a lot of your claims with your short clip. If I figure the values right, your excited DC EMF is almost
the same as your induced AC EMF.

Q: Any Idea why this is?

I thought, compared to a generator or Transformer, the output Voltage stands in a relation to the number of turns from the input
and output windings. Hence an universal motor doesn't have this relation between input and output windings. A Generator does.
So it could make sense, that your induced EMF will be more or less always the same as
your excited EMF. Generally spoken, in Generators and transformers, the Induced EMF is a function of the input frequency,
If N1 is not equal to N2. I think it could be possible that in an universal motor N1=N2, due to its nature.

Q: Can you confirm this? Did you measure different excited and induced EMF with different frequencies?
Q: What is the nominal Voltage your rotor has to take, when running as a Motor?
Q: What are your Coil Values? Different Values from different LCR-Meters?

Cheers
Semi


Thanks, but we still can NOT establish any rules up to now...related to Input versus Output relationships...it is way too early for conclusions!!


So, like we say in USA..."do not jump at the gun..."... ;D


I was just making a simple test, like I have proposed...but these Universal Motors are FAR, from being even "similar" to the structure of a real generator configuration.


Only then, whenever we have the typical configuration that a real generator have, then we could start coming up with conclusions...and relationships...


So, it all depends on your configuration, which allows to reach much higher outputs with a minimal Input...that is the goal, my friend.




Regards




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 24, 2022, 09:13:27 PM
Hello to All,




I highly recommend FIRST to start using/playing/calculating/running simulations, etc,etc with a simple Two Pole Configuration in your setup...


Please, do not overcomplicate things before even trying and building this simple setup!!


I have a 2 Pole setup, and I had to add two more brushes to my Rotary Switch, NOT to make it a 4 Poles...BUT...in order to shorten the Field Angles of Interaction, which gets a much stronger effect without any side noises or scrambling, whenever we get crossed coils noise in the middle of the field.


So, imagine using a four pole...in order to shorten these four fields angles, you will need eight [8] Brushes in your Rotary Switch!!


Then you end up using a 1/2 HP Motor to run just the rotary switch...just like the Korean guy did... :)


Fact is, you only have a limited number of coils in any given rotor-exciter to be fitted inside any given stator...so, "spliting" coils in four or six will be like cutting in pieces a very strong two field composition, into four or six slices of the same "pie"... ;D


All the work just to drive Field at slower speeds??!!




Cheers




Ufopolitics

Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Semi on April 25, 2022, 09:08:18 AM
Hey Mate,


Hello Semi,

Wow...what a "bombardment of questions" here....hehehehe
I didn't mean to steamroll you there, but you kinda invited us to this ride,
so stop complaining If you have to jump curbs.  :P

But, ok, about your above first question...
let's remember who dictat
It is dictated by the RPM of the Exciter, and directly -in  a typical generator- is given by the speed of the ICE Engine.
Yes, of course the higher the number of poles on the Exciter, the lesser the RPM's required.
For an Output of 50Hz a Two Pole Exciter Rotor must reach 3000 RPM's, while a Four Pole will just need half of that, or 1500 RPM's.
And so, for a 60 Hz, it needs 3600 RPM's for Two Poles, and 1800 RPM's for a four poles exciter.
Sure thing, 50 Hz by 60 times (for one minute) = 3000 RPM, or rather 3600 RPM with 60 Hz. But I like to calculate in SI.

No, the voltage to power the generator exciter coils is HIGHER, than the Output Voltage.
For example, a typical 120V/20A Output Generator will require its exciter to run at approximatedly 170-180V and 1-2 amps
This can't be true, not at all. I've read values from an AVR, that excites up to 90 VDC depending on the load, Output approx. 230V AC.

Sorry Semi, but I do  not understand your reasoning (Mathematics) on this...
You are mixing 12 (from 12 Coils in a 2P) with "T_4P"?
But basically it is the total opposite to your conclusions above...No, the Field can never rotate faster than the outpur frequency required!!
If you do that, there would not be any output at all...
Here we are rotating a Spectrum that goes faster than light...and can go through metals like through air...so, more likely The Field must be driven SLOWER, than the needed output frequency...and that applies to 2P and 4P...and even 6P.
To get the right and best output frequency, the Field must be driven very slowly...and up, until the reached correct timing is met...if you keep going higher, after reaching the "sweet spot"...the output will start decreasing.
I don't think you get the Science here either, you're not thinking fourth dimensionally. Is the Flux Capacitor really fluxing?  ;D

Well, I thought your 4 Brushes will create an equally divided 4 Pole RMF? So I derived my Math from that. If you have "just" a 2 Pole RMF, with 24 Coils,
you would've to go even faster. Then it would be: 24 x T_RMF = T_2P => 24 x f_2P = f_RMF => 24 x 50 Hz = 1200 Hz -> T_RMF = 0,83 ms

Thanks, but we still can NOT establish any rules up to now...related to Input versus Output relationships...it is way too early for conclusions!!
So, like we say in USA..."do not jump at the gun..."... ;D
Yes, it is totally possible that I am barking up the wrong tree here. That is why I wanted you to double-check this on your rig.

I was just making a simple test, like I have proposed...but these Universal Motors are FAR, from being even "similar" to the structure of a real generator configuration.
Only then, whenever we have the typical configuration that a real generator have, then we could start coming up with conclusions...and relationships...
So, it all depends on your configuration, which allows to reach much higher outputs with a minimal Input...that is the goal, my friend.
I totally get you there...

I highly recommend FIRST to start using/playing/calculating/running simulations, etc,etc with a simple Two Pole Configuration in your setup...
How much more theoretically can I get, when not by using Math? You have the Test rig already, why not getting some data out of it?

Please, do not overcomplicate things before even trying and building this simple setup!!
That is so true.

Perhaps I don't get the detailed Setup configuration you have built. I felt into the assumption trap, again.
Here my thoughts about this, please correct me...
If you have a Rotor with 24 Bars on the commutator, you will spin your brushes
around these 24 contacts. If equally divided, with 2 Brushes, you will create a 2 Pole RMF and with 4 Brushes, you will create a 4 Pole RMF.

Thanks for taking the time, very much appreciated.
Semi
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Thomramzes on April 25, 2022, 08:24:31 PM
You are making the best posts ever
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 26, 2022, 05:44:40 PM
...

This can't be true, not at all. I've read values from an AVR, that excites up to 90 VDC depending on the load, Output approx. 230V AC.




Have you read the Voltage from AVR when the Generator was loaded?
With a heavy load?, not just a couple of LED's or a small fan... ;D


When the Generator is at "Idle" the AVR reduces to minimal its excitation circuit.


The "230V" Output is just based on a Double Winding at Stator, which collects double the output based on exactly the SAME EXCITING FIELD SWEEP.
The exact same way we could get Three Phase Out...



Well, I thought your 4 Brushes will create an equally divided 4 Pole RMF?


Nope, I already explained why I used Four Brushes...read my prior posts where I show my image of the 4 brushes...




So I derived my Math from that. If you have "just" a 2 Pole RMF, with 24 Coils,
you would've to go even faster. Then it would be: 24 x T_RMF = T_2P => 24 x f_2P = f_RMF => 24 x 50 Hz = 1200 Hz -> T_RMF = 0,83 ms
Yes, it is totally possible that I am barking up the wrong tree here. That is why I wanted you to double-check this on your rig.
I totally get you there...
How much more theoretically can I get, when not by using Math? You have the Test rig already, why not getting some data out of it?


So you derived your math above from a wrong assumption, so, everything is wrong.




Perhaps I don't get the detailed Setup configuration you have built. I felt into the assumption trap, again.
Here my thoughts about this, please correct me...
If you have a Rotor with 24 Bars on the commutator, you will spin your brushes
around these 24 contacts. If equally divided, with 2 Brushes, you will create a 2 Pole RMF and with 4 Brushes, you will create a 4 Pole RMF.

Thanks for taking the time, very much appreciated.
Semi


Again, wrong assumption, maybe because not reading carefully my previous post...but no sweat...I will repost it here...without the pictures:







But the main issue here that I want to share, is how I have set the brushes on the rotary switch...yesterday, I was testing with just two brushes...and there was a lot of sparking, a lot of BEMF returning back to Input PSU...




So I decided to close the Field Range by adding four brushes (this brush housing on switch, was designed for 4 brushes) but they have to be in a way that is NOT as Motors have it.




Normally a four brush motor will have an arrangement of /+/-/+/- / and that way the field gets split into Four Fields at the Rotor.




However, I did it in order to keep just one field, but close its angle at the Poles, by setting brushes like: /+/+/-/-/ , therefore, the coils within the two plus (+) and two minus (-) will not be energized, not generating a field, but just conducting power...and so, Field Spectrum is way much cleaner.




Magnetic Field will not have any "scrambling" which happens with just two brushes...and it is due to coils at the contacts (+/-) will be intersecting with BOTH main poles...I will make next week a CAD to show what I mean, however, on my previous image here that have an armature, wound with lap windings, you can see that I colored these next to input plus and minus in a different color (magenta) than all the red-blue coils defining the North-South Poles.




Cheers




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on May 01, 2022, 07:14:51 PM
Hello to All,




My present update plus some "secrets" revealed:





I had some bad testing as also very good ones...


The bad tests I consider very important as well as the successful ones, as they teach Us what is NOT allowed, or not good on these Systems...


For example, the German Groschopp Universal Motor was a total failure!!


Why?


Its Armature-Rotor is simply an "Amp Hog"...it consumes higher amperages than volts, as I dialed up just voltage (V.L), while Current is all the way high ...and I tried with both PSU's...a switching and a Linear.


On both reacted the same exact way...


And it does spin the Field, however, the field generated is not strong enough as we loose a lot of power just on the Input.


The reason for this effect is simple, is wound with too thick gauge wire and just a few turns per coil...

The first successful test with the RYOBI Hand Tool 230 (HT230) [on short test video] had very fine wire and many turns...


So I tried another setup, with a 12 tooth armature, and the typical Simplex Lap Winding, and wire gauge 23...I am attaching an image of this winding below...


It did not work either...the sine wave projected on Scope was not uniform and the output results were also not good...


So, I went back to the original RYOBI armature which worked fine...and analyzed deeper the way it was wound...and it is a completely different type of winding as I did previously...if you notice, (picture attached) it ends with two identical coils opposed at 180 degrees.

Plus, the rotor core have 8 slots (tooth) and the commutator have 16 elements...

Note: I did NOT want to take apart my only working armature, first because it is soaked in resin...and second, because we never should take apart a working model...take it as an advice!!

So, I started searching and found this video from a guy, (I believe He is from India)... winding a Power Tool...which have 16 slots and 32 Commutator bars from an angle grinder...So, without understanding a single word he was talking about...I learned the way it was done:




VIDEO: THE SUCCESSFUL WAY TO WIND THE ARMATURE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEKl2mq-D1o&t=23s)



The way these type of armatures are wound is very different from the typical "Spiral" type...that we start just ONE COIL and keep winding series coils next to each others...untill we meet the first wire at commutator.


On this successful type, we need to WIND BOTH SIDES COILS, apart by 180 degrees, and keep going in a follow up pattern, until we meet both ends,  also apart by 180º...


But that is not all...each coil have the second coil right on top of each other, except the second coil on top, connects to the next commutator segment on the follow up sequence...


And this rises the Field Strength exponentially!!...just like a double threaded wire in a coil does, except, by just a few milliseconds of time difference.


I will show on further posts the detailed Graphics related to this type of winding...


Plus, I have been able to adapt this type of winding to many other armature patterns, like 12 and 20 tooth...which ends in exactly 16 contacts to my Rotary Switch...so, no coils are not connected during operation.




Regards




Ufopolitics











Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on May 01, 2022, 08:27:02 PM
ADAPTING A 12 TOOTH ARMATURE TO 8 DOUBLE COILS - 16 TERMINALS


This is one of my armatures, it is wound with 28 gauge, and works beautifully!!
I wound each coil with 40 Turns...


I can dial as high as 100 Volts+ and Amperage remains around 1-2 amps...lovely Field!!
But as I increase RPM's of Field Rotation, amperage decreases.




THE METHOD EXPLAINED, ACCORDING TO GRAPHIC SHOWN:


I start by the Two Pairs of Blue Coils shown (1-2 & 9-10), each pair exactly apart by 180º...while these would be my 1.2 9, 10 terminals to rotary switch...


After done with all four coils, I come back to wind Coils 3-4 and 11-12...


And so on, following the red arrows orderly sequence, for coils winding, as for terminals to rotary switch.


Finally I will end up with two Pair of end Coils 15-16 and 7-8 exactly apart by 180º...(see picture attached)


I am actually working on a 20 Pole adapt...to this same pettern, but a bigger set up, so it requires higher number of turns...more steel, more turns.


Whoever is following this posts...and replicating them...will have a lot of fun in the end...




Get ready for ¨surprises¨ coming very soon... ;D




Regards






Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on May 01, 2022, 11:12:40 PM
VISUALIZING THE VIRTUAL MAGNETIC FIELD ROTATING (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z62RUMNjXMQ)


On above Video link, you will be able to see the Field Rotating through three different Methods...


I have developed a way to distinguish Polarizations in any given Magnetic Field through an old CRT (Cathode Ray Tube) Black and white small TV...


The Electron Beam Ray sweeping screen at very high frequency in a Horizontal Line...shows clearly the Two different Patterns which defines a NORTH  from a South.


BUILDING YOUR OWN CRT MAG FIELD SCOPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E372P74Gq6k)


On above video link you will learn how to build one for yourself...


And on the Video below, you will see the Full Video on how this is achieved...


CRT REVEALING MAGNETIC FIELD VORTEXES (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7OzMURRU_k)




By the way, the Armature shown on first video demo, is the one I have shown previously...a 12T wound with 16 coils




Cheers






Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on May 08, 2022, 08:01:18 PM
Hello,




I have moved to a 20 tooth armature due to the lack of room to do more windings on the 12 tooth...I will have to change it to a finer gauge (33) to obtain the right resistance required to drive field at higher voltages and lower amperages...so, actually I am working on three setups at the time.


This armature came off a BOSCH 700W PM Motor, I have two of them, one is completely wound with "Asymmetrical Type" and this one was already stripped off all windings...


I made it fit inside the stator of an AC (Central Air Conditioning) Blower Motor, 3 speeds by Die Grinding the interior Stator metal...lot of work!!


The way I wound the Armature is the same way as I did the 12T previously shown, but adapted now to a 20 T.




It is basically 8 pair of coils, wound with 28 gauge and like 100 turns each coil, which will give me like 4.2+ Ohms per coil


Thanks to this ratio, I can drive the Magnetic Field with 60V and like one (1) Amp...at idle RPM's (not going 3600) but like 1500-1800


I am attaching some images of the whole thing already assembled.




Regards




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on May 08, 2022, 08:15:28 PM
WINDING 16 COILS INTO A 20 TOOTH ARMATURE

I am attaching the winding plan here...as the wiring sequence to 16 elements commutator


I am also making a video, of different steps on the winding, that I took while I was winding the armature in different steps to final.


First, I started by the Two Pairs of Blue Coils (1-2) and (9-10) exactly apart by 180º.
All Coils are wound Clockwise (CW) when facing at me...

I am using 28 gauge, around 57 feet which comes up to around 100 turns and extending to four(4) tooth on armature.


The last Pair of coils would be 15-16 and 7-8 also at 180 degrees apart, where the end of coil number 16 will attach to start of coil number one (1) and the end of coil number eight [8] will attach to start of coil number one (1)


This way the full loop of all coils will be closed.


Cheers


Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Cadman on May 10, 2022, 06:21:12 PM
Thinking about generating with a rotating field of the armature. There are two magnetic fields involved with the armature, the iron and the coils. Each field begins and ends with it’s source and taken together they have the effect of a single field. But this new scenario is different than the usual inducer which uses a fully established combined field at all times, only changing with the load.

In this new scenario the iron field is almost constant but the coil fields all expand, contract, change polarity, expand and contract every revolution. Rotating at a rate that produces the strongest field for the coils time constants (5) would give an averaged over time field strength which would be much less than the maximum continuous field. Rotating faster using fewer time constants would result in a weaker coil field, less amperage on the input and in turn a weaker iron field and the output watts would drop accordingly.

If this is accurate, then common sense would indicate the need for design changes to compensate. Coils with small time constants and more turns to achieve the needed ampere turns, which would need a larger armature with more iron to produce an output comparable to a motored generator.

Small time constants and more turns is counter intuitive but can be achieved with multiple windings in parallel for each coil. But that costs more input amperage. Lots to balance.

Just some thoughts for consideration.

Regards
Cadman
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on May 10, 2022, 07:07:23 PM
Thinking about generating with a rotating field of the armature. There are two magnetic fields involved with the armature, the iron and the coils. Each field begins and ends with it’s source and taken together they have the effect of a single field. But this new scenario is different than the usual inducer which uses a fully established combined field at all times, only changing with the load.


Hello Cadman,

And many thanks for your input, it is always welcomed.

Ok, I would say first that I love this type of debate...however, I disagree with you on part of the above...

As I only see one Field, IMHO, the iron core serves as the "vehicle" or saying it more "Scientific"...the "Medium" where the Field moves, flows.
With a steel core (design) we could redirect a Field displacement polarity, change its angle, and even fraction it (dividing Field) into multiple poles, like is the case with the automobile Alternator...However, it is the same exact Field that is generated by the coil that runs parallel to the alternator shaft...

If you get a permanent magnet and approach a piece of steel at very close gap...you will observe very clearly -through a simple viewing film- that the Magnet Field literally "jumps" about half of its spectrum spatial embodiment into the iron piece...Now, that does not means that the iron now have its own field.
The iron piece just served as the "appropiate vehicle" where the field Mutates to...partially, though.

The above is the main principle of Induction, my friend...and remember that Magnetic Fields are purely Directional, like a Laser Beam, coming off the very center of each of their poles face.

In this new scenario the iron field is almost constant but the coil fields all expand, contract, change polarity, expand and contract every revolution. Rotating at a rate that produces the strongest field for the coils time constants (5) would give an averaged over time field strength which would be much less than the maximum continuous field. Rotating faster using fewer time constants would result in a weaker coil field, less amperage on the input and in turn a weaker iron field and the output watts would drop accordingly.

You have just nailed it, on the above bold statement, by me!!

And that bolts down to what Pierre Cotnoir was saying about the Field "Resolution"...or in detail, that these systems work much better with a "Higher Resolution Field".
Which means higher number of coils, and since they are all in series, we could afford lower number of turns per coil...lower resistance, that of course, would need to be calculated.

For example, in a 36 Coils Armature we would be moving the Field at a ratio of 10º for each two coils that reverse, exactly at 180º...
Remember, in this setup, one coil would be leaving South to become North, and exactly at 180º, another coil would be entering South and leaving North...meaning the Field displaced exactly 10º towards the rotation sense.
If we break down the Pole number of Coils would be exactly 18, and using an angled four brushes, like I have recommended to narrow the Field Angle, would leave about two coils on each side inactive (just conducting), so, say in reality we will always have a minimum of 16X2 Coils always on, or 16 per pole.
That is a pretty good and higher resolution.

If this is accurate, then common sense would indicate the need for design changes to compensate. Coils with small time constants and more turns to achieve the needed ampere turns, which would need a larger armature with more iron to produce an output comparable to a motored generator.

Exactly...

Small time constants and more turns is counter intuitive but can be achieved with multiple windings in parallel for each coil. But that costs more input amperage. Lots to balance.

Just some thoughts for consideration.

Regards
Cadman

Yeap, and we do not want to rise the Input Amperage too much, but try to always drive it on the low side...however, always trying to keep the Field strong enough as to keep a constant and robust output.


Yes, lots to balance!!

Many thanks for your comments!!


Regards


Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on May 11, 2022, 04:01:00 PM

THE HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TRUE SINGULAR MAGNETIC FIELD VERSUS MULTIPLE SMALLER FIELDS OVERLAPPED TOGETHER.


Hello to All,

Regardless of the achievements, I am still NOT happy with the results...

The two circuits, representing the two polarities of individual coils in series, that configures one single field...still does not fully form a true singular field.
This is clearly noted when looking with magnetic viewing film, the fact that each independent coil have its own center wall, Bloch wall or Dielectric Field as Wheeler's Theory...point is, whatever the "name" we give to this clearly seen center line, that this should not happen, it does not happen in a Singular Magnetic Field.

A Singular Magnetic Field MUST have just ONE Center Wall...and, as we rotate field this wall should rotate as well...and this is not happening here.

Each Coil keeps its own Dielectric Field or Bloch Wall...and that's not good, it means we still have a fractioned Magnetic Field.

And this whole issue relates to a simple answer...GEOMETRY.

Say we build Two identical but separate Coils...and we could feed them with just one source...now, if we stack them N/S>N/S, perfectly aligned by a center imaginary axis, one on top of the other...they will form a single Bloch wall right at the joint between both, or where I set the "greater than" symbol (>).

However, once we start moving just one of the coils in a Radical Angle*...there is a point-angle where that common center wall will disappear...and return to two individual walls for each coil...

When these two Coils were aligned and just one center wall appeared, there was a Singular Field formed by the two coils.
Once this center, common wall is gone, the singular field is gone, that simple.

Now, we could project both coils aligning them with the same poles orientation, say both with North on top, next to each others, no matter if overlapped or not...and yes, we will have two North Poles but not a Singular North Field...as each coil would have its own division wall.

If we could measure Magnetic Field strength for both cases...will notice when they had a Common division wall, stock one on top of the other...that would be the strongest field strength than when set side by side, aiming separatedly independent poles...and most importantly to notice...with the same Source Input of same currents!!

Radical Angle*: The common wall will still be there for smooth, narrow angles...soft curvatures between both coils will still prevail the Singular Field.

It is not supposed that when rotating the Field at higher speeds, it just "fades off"...and Induction will decrease...so, we need to increase Input.

In my opinion, this is due to the lack of the system design, to form a TRUE SINGULAR FIELD from multiple coils arrangement.


Regards


Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on May 11, 2022, 04:49:06 PM
MAGNETIC VIEWING FILM, REVEALING MULTIPLE FIELDS WHILE ROTATION TAKING PLACE...

Here are a couple of pictures showing an "X-Ray View" from Magnetic Viewing Film, of coils during the rotation of the virtual field...


We observe a very slight, vague "rotation" around coils, which is based on the sequenced coils reversals...However, the center division lines for each coil still is there, not moving at all.


Resuming, this design, arrangement or geometry is NOT generating a True Singular Field...


I want to see a SINGULAR division wall for one singular field generated, and moving around as well as the field...this wall must be right at center of both field poles.


We need to be able to see this center line clearly moving along the right geometry, defining where our two poles are also moving...




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: bistander on May 11, 2022, 06:50:20 PM
Hi Ufo,
I know you and I disagree on how viewing film works and Bloch wall and you'll likely just make my post and opinion disappear, but  notice the similarities.

What appear as light fuzzy lines are caused by the flux coming from the end turns of the eight coils which you wound and not representative of the resultant field in the air gap.
bi

Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on May 11, 2022, 08:24:15 PM
Hi Ufo,
I know you and I disagree on how viewing film works and Bloch wall and you'll likely just make my post and opinion disappear,

Hi  Bi,

Nope, You are wrong, I  will not make your post disappear... ;D


but  notice the similarities...
What appear as light fuzzy lines are caused by the flux coming from the end turns of the eight coils which you wound and not representative of the resultant field in the air gap.
bi

Nope, you are wrong again...I just made a short video to demonstrate how it is shown that center line by viewing film...exactly at the center of the coil
Actually, Viewing Film works on Three Dimensional Magnetic Fields, no matter if Field is Permanent or Momentary...like a coil...it will always, very precisely, detect the center division line.

COILS CENTER LINE REVEALED BY MAGNETIC VIEWING FILM (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Z1baQ1UyoxM)

I mean, and I know you could say whatever you want...but a simple demo will show it is not on the "end turns" of the coil.

Magnets do not have "end turns" however, the film also shows the same , exact, center line, on a Permanent Magnet.

And what that line is showing, is not "flux" either.

You could make this simple test as well, and see it for yourself.

Take care

Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: bistander on May 11, 2022, 09:19:40 PM
Hi  Bi,

Nope, You are wrong, I  will not make your post disappear... ;D

Nope, you are wrong again...I just made a short video to demonstrate how it is shown that center line by viewing film...exactly at the center of the coil
Actually, Viewing Film works on Three Dimensional Magnetic Fields, no matter if Field is Permanent or Momentary...like a coil...it will always, very precisely, detect the center division line.

COILS CENTER LINE REVEALED BY MAGNETIC VIEWING FILM (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Z1baQ1UyoxM)

I mean, and I know you could say whatever you want...but a simple demo will show it is not on the "end turns" of the coil.

Magnets do not have "end turns" however, the film also shows the same , exact, center line, on a Permanent Magnet.

And what that line is showing, is not "flux" either.

You could make this simple test as well, and see it for yourself.

Take care

Ufopolitics

Thanks Ufo for not deleting me.
You have said it is the "main field", and I can't see how that is different than, magnetic field, resultant field, flux field, air gap field, or whatever term you call it, that is the issue, or object of this exercise. And that is referred to as the B vector field. As such, North and South poles, and some imaginary demarcation between the two, are irrelevant, in fact non-existent. Would you agree that a "main field", magnetic flux field, exists in the core shown below? Where is this "Bloch" wall?
edit. Image from: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/toroid.html
bi

Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on May 11, 2022, 09:55:05 PM
Thanks Ufo for not deleting me.
You have said it is the "main field", and I can't see how's that is different than, magnetic field, resultant field, flux field, air gap field, or whatever term you call it, that is the issue, or object of this exercise. And that is referred to as the B vector field. As such, North and South poles, and some imaginary demarcation between the two, are irrelevant, in fact non-existent. Would you agree that a "main field", magnetic flux field, exists in the core shown below? Where is this "Bloch" wall?
edit. Image from: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/toroid.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/toroid.html)
bi


Bistander,

No matter how much you twist or bend a coil...in any given shape, where you start winding to where you finish, in simple winding (no layers, no back and forth) like your image of the toroid shows, where current enters and where it leaves, right at the center from those two points (using the circumference-arc formula, since it is a circular geo) is where the center line would be...

Edit: Oh! and actually it  is not just a line, but a plane that goes across like a section of the given geometry...

Whenever I finish the winding of my Toroid, You and everyone would be able to see it...

It is irrelevant to start arguing about what or who this center line is...point is that it always exists in any given magnetic field, and the importance is that I will be using it as a reference to show rotation or displacement of the Field.

Therefore, I do not want to expand this debate at this point in time...so, please, let's leave it here.

Thanks for understanding


Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on May 13, 2022, 06:43:11 PM
Hello to All,

I am in the process to wind a Toroid with 16 coils in series, 22.5º apart, to be driven by the same Rotary Switch...is a long process...

The Magnetic Field(s) would be rotating inside the Toroidal Steel Geometry...However, this particular setup will have Four Poles, or Two Magnetic Fields.

See image attached.

It is a simple way to wind it, one coil after the other one, all in series...but driven by each split joint to the switch.

Why did I changed -all the sudden- from one structure of a ¨Two Part¨ Generator with a "Stationary Rotor" to this type?

Because I want to be able to see the WHOLE Magnetic Field actually displacing...and I was not observing that...but the coils just "flashing" a rotation, while the Center line was "in situs"...Not good!!

And, so, I believe this fact, would not allow me to drive Field at higher speeds, without loosing it...loosing Inductance gain...

So...here I go...maybe a future TPU?...I don't know...tests will tell.

Here is a Short Video...showing Coil#1 and demonstrating where poles are, as well as the Center Line...

TOROID WINDING COIL#1 (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RP8DbJJAIqI)




Cheers




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on May 13, 2022, 06:55:19 PM
Hello again...


I want to clarify that this "idea" to wind a Toroid did not just come "from thin air"...or as a guess...to shoot at different options, randomly...

There is a pretty large history about this idea, behind scenes...and now, since I already know how to do it right...(at least, I hope so) then I am going to make it happen!!

A Toroid is a very clever Geometry (related to Magnetic Fields), as this one I am working on is made of laminated steel...as any other Toroid Transformer is...

I actually have Three of these that I had ordered them a long while back...two smaller like the one shown on Video...plus another one much bigger.

Here is a Post that I wrote on another Thread, answering to a statement that Member Onepower made...but I want it here, to show all, where I am coming from...:

It's also important to note that to my knowledge no credible FE device ever used lap windings as is found in almost all motor/generators today.


Yes, you are very right AC...

The overlapping or lap winding is used to "save room", or to fit more wires per square area (referring to motors) and for generator coils it is overlapped to reach a higher number of conductors to be induced by the rotary sweeping inductor area.

Actually, did you ALL know that the only wires that are Induced on any Two Part Rotary Generator, even the stationary rotor type, we are working on...
that only the Vertical wires are Induced?!

Yes, and I am referring to the Vertical wires in ALL Coils on the Stator, the ones parallel to the shaft, whether a real shaft or an imaginary one?

All the Horizontal, or diametrical wires in the coils are just there serving as "connectors"...but no induction is generated?

This fact sets all these machines, automatically, at 50% Induction Efficiency!!

Now, it is impossible to build a machine (from the mechanical Engineering point) where the Induction coils or Exciter circuit, travels within a "fully closed tunnel" where all the Induced coils are wound...a completely closed tunnel...where the Stator Output Coils would be on the outside...

How can you rotate "physically" an inner set of coils and their steel cores, that could travel within another hollow, but fully closed structure?

However, that would be the "perfect generator", a 100% efficient from the Induction percentage area calculation point of view...

The only way that this type of generator could be conceived, is by rotating a Virtual Magnetic Field, not physically, not including its coils and cores...

And the only "Geometry" which can give Us such characteristics is a Toroid...

And then, we would not need to do "lap windings", or overlap the coils, none of them...just to be continuously set, one after the other...in a full closed circular arrangement...

Can You guys "imagine" that?

And then, set it to work in your minds?


Regards


Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on May 22, 2022, 10:03:10 PM
MAGNETIC VIEWING FILM, REVEALING MULTIPLE FIELDS WHILE ROTATION TAKING PLACE...

Here are a couple of pictures showing an "X-Ray View" from Magnetic Viewing Film, of coils during the rotation of the virtual field...

We observe a very slight, vague "rotation" around coils, which is based on the sequenced coils reversals...However, the center division lines for each coil still is there, not moving at all.

Resuming, this design, arrangement or geometry is NOT generating a True Singular Field...

I want to see a SINGULAR division wall for one singular field generated, and moving around as well as the field...this wall must be right at center of both field poles.

We need to be able to see this center line clearly moving along the right geometry, defining where our two poles are also moving...

Ufopolitics


Hello,


I have just quoted myself on that post where I was not "happy" because not seen the center line displacement...


I WAS COMPLETELY WRONG!!

I did not realize that Magnetic Viewing Film is just like a Polaroid Film, which captures an image and it stays there, even if image stops showing...
The only way to clear, reset magnetic viewing film imaging, is by running a small magnet around it in a circular motion, and fairly some distance away from film.
And so, if we do not clear film it will remain showing whatever it captures...


Maybe in a future, they will make such "reactive film" to capture a dynamic field movement...


So, yes, I was wrong, and the Field does move, as its brighter center line as well...


If we have that :wall: code for the emoticon hitting a brick wall...I will load it here many times... ;D


Stay tuned, I just finished making a video...




Cheers




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
Post by: Ufopolitics on May 22, 2022, 10:23:16 PM
Hello,


I am very  pleased to show this successful video about testing my future exciting field stator coils... ;D


EXCITING STATOR FIELDS TEST 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8img2TRbCU)


Again this video is "Unlisted" not to show on my Channel, but only to those who have link...


I will comment on its results later on tomorrow...but I may be adding some more text here later, basically about things, details I did not shared at video...


Thanks for watching it,


Cheers