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Author Topic: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils  (Read 4927 times)

Offline Ufopolitics

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Hello to All,




First, I would like to thank Pierre Cotnoir for showing his setup, plus the moderated Thread by Gotoluc...unfortunately now gone south.


All this readings and watching his videos, make me realize what I was doing wrong in all my experiments in these fields about seven or eight years ago...


Do to these exhaustive experiments done many years ago, trying to get just the Magnetic Field moving within the steel cores and windings...then just by seen Pierre's videos, and reading his comments on that Thread, I realized where was my main error, and to put it in simple words:

I was collapsing the Magnetic Field...

And this is the crucial point here!!...the whole, main field can NEVER DIE!!, not even for one millisecond or even one nanosecond...So, you could switch a minimal number of coils at a time, but ALWAYS leaving the majority of coils which configure each Pole, turned on.


Then the words from Thomas Bearden, (Rest In Peace) kept pounding on my ears: "Whatever you do...don't ever, kill the Dipole!!"

If you collapse the main field by cutting off its feed, even for a fraction of a second, everything will have to restart again from scratch...and so, you will never get to generate a growing, development over time of energy output...simple.


And of course, there are some other "secrets" involved to make it more and more successful...however, I would not keep any of these secrets just for me here...my point in opening this Thread, is that You will also be successful reproducing this effects...as that would be my "protection".


I will start, like I always do...when I disclose something that eventually will become more clever, more complicated...and that is by first starting by a very simple experiment...very simple.


A long time ago, I built a small mechanical Rotary Switch, which could commutate a series of coils remotely...by just wires transfering the switching.


And NO, you can not just buy it "off the shelf", or "order it on line" anything that even looks similar to this type of switch...so, yes, it has to be built from scratch.


This Rotary Switch I used it to run the 1908 Clemente Figuera setup...where the Field is only moved forward and back, by step up, step down, just by the High side or Positive feed...so, my rotary was set with only one brush feeding the coils, while negative ground was always connected.


However, I had the original switch set with dual slip rings...and now, I had to dust it off...and reset it for dual brushes sweeping on a 16 elements, brand new commutator...I am still working on that...


This way, I will be able to show a system working without a lot of clever circuits, consisting on a bunch of relays, or FET's...and Microprocessors, like an Arduino or a Raspberry PI...or any other Programmable Logic Controller....plus writing codes, etc,etc.


I will put it in straight Black and White, for sake of the simplest understanding first.


And attached is an image of this simple test...diagram, that I would be testing and adding a video very soon.


The Rotary Switch should be build with heavy contacts, which could be used also for higher voltages and amperages in the future...while a very small motor will be in charge to just rotate the brushes and slip ring...and I will  keep adding images of my progress here...




Cheers






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BASIC MAIN WINDINGS AND CIRCUIT OF GENERATOR STATOR PLUS STATIONARY LAP WOUND ARMATURE



Here I will show a Diagram of the Basic Winding which involves a Generator Field (Green outer windings of a Single Phase shown here, without showing the rotor exciting coils) and the Inner Stationary Rotor...which is basically a typical Simplex Lap Winding, however (and this is the first secret) that the size of the main poles, (here are just two Poles) must MATCH the Generator Output Coils width.


Now, the good news is that we could find this whole similar set up in an Universal Brushed Motor...already wound from factory, with balanced coils in size and in number of turns, in Armature and in Stator... ;D


These type of Universal Motors, as also the Permanent Magnet ones, have a Lap wound Armature...and they perform by keeping an ALWAYS ON AND STATIC Magnetic Field...and in charge of the Rotation are the series connected coils constantly rversing their Polarity in Voltage hence in Magnetic Poles...


So, no matter how fast this rotor is spinning...the Magnetic Field will always remain static, lingering spatially all the way to interact with the coils on the Stator.


Then what we will be doing here...is just the "Reverse Engineering" of the whole system...which means to keep rotor static, firmly attached to main frame, keeping an air gap...where we could just use high temp tape that we use for coils winding...instead of the air gap.


And then rotating just the Magnetic Field by rotating the Brushes with our simple Rotary Switch... ;)

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FURTHER EXPLANATION ON THE SIMPLEX LAP WOUND ARMATURE



So, all these coils in the armature are connected in SERIES in a FULL CLOSED LOOP...with a "Y" derivation to each commutator element from each coil...


And brushes, typically set apart by 180º, are in charge to DIVIDE this Stationary (on motor) Field Poles in North-South...and this imaginary line between the two brushes, comes to be what is called as the "Bloch Wall"...which is normally PERPENDICULAR to the Stators Coils dividing line.


When the Armature is energized (Positive and Negative) through the brushes, there is immediately developed a full Attraction and a Full Repulsion at each Magnetic Pole, forcing the Rotor to "spin"...but what is actually taking place is that one of the coils of each pole side are reversing their polarity, by "passing to the other side" of the Magnetic Field, defined by the Brushes imaginary line...while Field is completely Static.


The great side of these type of windings, is that Currents are kept on the low side (and pretty constant) during operation, no matter how high we dial the Voltages up...which keeps the Magnetic Field very stable.


Explanation of the attached Image:


It is an Upper View of a typical PM Symmetrical Motor, where I have painted all coils with the same color as the magnetic pole where they are "momentarily" energized by the brushes...so Red are South Pole Coils, and Blue are North Side Coils...and this is an image taking place in a fraction of a second...as they are constantly exchanging from one side to the other side of the Static Magnetic Field....


If you notice the Field is always ON and Static, while majority of coils are energized polarizing the Field main poles...as ONLY TWO COILS AT A TIME (one coil per pole), are switching or reversing polarities...this is exactly what we need for our test.




To be continued and keep checking for further editing




Cheers




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Hello to All,


Thanks RhineX for sending me the video links!! :D


About this guy in Korea, who is doing very similar experiments (2016-2018) as the test I have proposed, and that I am working on at the moment...


They say He is getting somewhere around 170% COP...but I have not confirmed that yet...


Anyways, just to share his work and video links here...


In my opinion, He is making some mistakes...and have no idea how he can reach those numbers.

He is overkilling his setup, the brushes rotation are using a too heavy assembly, too big motor (as Prime Mover), ... just to turn brushes and slip ring assy we do not need that much power!!!


I am using a very small, little 5-18V motor that not even reaches one amp at max RPM's...


In the second video (2018) He is got a different configuration...making even heavier the prime mover...without upgrading his main Generator output source or the Universal Motor...


Again, it is not needed that many brushes like he has on second video...maybe four or six at max, which will divide the Field in four or six poles, instead of two poles with two brushes...and having more fields will reduce the required speed to reach 50-60 cycles...same as in a typical generator.


There are many things that could be done on this setup...like adjusting Brushes Angle, to narrow the Field width from 180º up to 90º ...or more...but all depends on the stator width.




FIRST VIDEO (2016)




SECOND VIDEO (2018)






Cheers






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And here are some images from his latest (2018) video...

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Resuming...


Anyways, no matter what, it is great to see that someone, on the other side of the Globe...is also trying to work on this... :)


As it shows that there is an Induction generated by just rotation of the Virtual Field through the static steel cores and coils...


As I mentioned before...this is just a simple testing to observe, read your parameters...as the same rotary switch could be used to drive much bigger fields on larger machines...


Eventually there could be done a better winding, specifically designed for a higher field density and strength on the Armature or Static Rotor.


What I really want to test...is the posibility to loop the output to the Input, after ac from output passing diode bridge and running small cap...to the input...then disconnect PSU... :D


I will be very happy, if this could be achieved...even if a second load could not be added...but eventually allow us to add specific secondaries at 90 degrees from main output coils (in order not to upset mains)...just to loop Exciter...like any small single phase generator does... ;)




Cheers






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Hello to All,


Again, I want to thank Member RhineX for sending me the links to the Google Patent of this device build by Jae-Soon Park (the Korean guy), that I previously posted his tests...


Here is the link for the USPTO Patent link: PATENT # 8629588


And I could not believe this guy patented his tests!!...which were meant just to do that, test, research, experiment, improve means to output better results...etc,etc.


And He is still adding the huge motor (on pat images) and the same type of armature arrangement, which already exists in all Universal Motors Lap Windings...


An "off the shelf", OEM, Universal Motor, like he shows, -on his tests, and on his patent- will never, ever, output the same way as a dedicated Generator-Frame and Windings will do, based on number of turns, wire gauge, spatial  distribution of the coils, which could have included Three Phase Windings, plus the looping coils to feed exciter or stationary coils here... etc,etc...


He just spent the money, hire attorneys and patented an unfinished product...maybe, because he was "excited" by his results...then decided to "protect" his idea/invention...from others who may steal it...


Anyways, this test is just what I said previously it is...a simple test, it will get way more complicated later on...it is just so you can see what happens here...compare Input versus Output numbers, measure Amps and Volts In-Out...What happens when loaded?...check which best RPM is suited for a better Output Sinewave, seen on a Scope...add then running caps...and retest...and so on and on.


One of the issues I have found on these system from my previous experiments...and now I have seen it on one of his videos below, as it happened exactly the same way to me:


On this video HERE, at  minute 0:43 He shorts the output with his hand (Picture attached)...bulbs go off...and unless we are talking about 12 V and low amperage, stioll is AC, no diode bridge here...and let's realize these are incandescent bulbs, not LED's...


The Currents on the Output show they are higher in size than at Input...however, if you get the output and short it...say at 3 Amps...no sparks take place at all....the output just collapses (I have done that)...on his videos the two incandescent bulbs just turn off...and of course, the prime mover, turning the brushes is not affected by the short as they are two completely independent circuits.


But the issue here is that even looking as a higher Output, on V&A, Amps does not have the "real power" as they represent on the readings.


I mean, if you just touch, 120 Volts and 3 Amps in AC Output, you will get a shock!!...but not here...


This issue could be resolved, but not simply...we will have to modify the Exciting Armature, structure and windings...


What I think is happening here, is the fact that a Magnetic Field backed up by a moving steel core (like we have in all rotary generators), will enhance, add more density to the power output... much more than just the virtual field rotation on a full static steel core...




But, the solution would be shown after I make it work, and be sure it does solve this issue, (still some time until I make that specific armature structure and windings)...as I have to first test the simple Universal Motor...and do all this measurements and tests.




Cheers




Ufopolitics




Edit 1: I just noticed when uploading images here, on MAIN DIAGRAM_2...that he uses an Inverter, to feed back output power back to brushes (Input) through a battery...I mean, I hope he is referring to a simple Diode Bridge...and not to a whole inverter set...

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PATENT 8,629,588 CLASSIFICATION:


H02K53/00 - Alleged dynamo-electric perpetua mobilia

Perpetua mobilia obtained e.g. by


by combining electrodynamic machines (e.g. small motor driving a larger generator whose output is used to feed the driving motor;)


by particular arrangements of PM (permanent magnets) only.






This is the typical response from any Patent Office in the International Commonwealth of Patent Treaties...


Whenever an individual walks in their offices claiming a "combination of electrodynamic machines"...where a small motor (or circuit) is driving a larger generator, then looping it all...




You can NOT Patent Free Energy System guys!!...do not insist!!...It is money and time wasted!!




No one will even pay attention to your invention.






Regards






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NOTICE TO ALL:




I would  NOT, under ANY circumstances, allow nor accept, ANY Nay Sayer's Comments here, on these Threads.


That is the ONLY reason I accepted to DISCLOSE HERE...as a Moderator , thanks to Administrator of the entire site, Stefan Hartmann and to "Chet" RAMSET.


So, if you post any "Nay" saying comments here...and you are still "seeing it" ...you may need to REFRESH  your browser, which resets your "Cache Memory"..


Or it could be that I am not logged in, or away from the website...it will not take long, though, as it will get done, in time...


This Thread is intended ONLY for people willing to do (BUILD) all future tests and share them, verify their results HERE.


Images, at least, should be posted of your progress, but videos would be more suitable.


I will allow any willing builder to open his-her thread under the main one.




All others, please, just remain as viewers...and like I always write on all my videos: many thanks for watching!!




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Hi Ufo,


I hope you don't mind if I ask a question about this topic.  I think I am missing something.  I don't understand what the difference is between this machine with the rotating brushes and a regular car alternator.  Both of them are moving a magnetic field inside the stator coils.  And both of them maintain a continuous strength magnetic field.  So what makes the machine of this thread any better than a car alternator.  What am I missing?  Am I misunderstanding what I am looking at?  Thanks for any clarification you can give.


Respectfully,
Carroll

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Hi Ufo,


I hope you don't mind if I ask a question about this topic.  I think I am missing something.  I don't understand what the difference is between this machine with the rotating brushes and a regular car alternator.  Both of them are moving a magnetic field inside the stator coils.  And both of them maintain a continuous strength magnetic field.  So what makes the machine of this thread any better than a car alternator.  What am I missing?  Am I misunderstanding what I am looking at?  Thanks for any clarification you can give.


Respectfully,
Carroll


Hello Citfta,




Great question!!!...excellent!!


Sure I can answer your doubts, even though I know that you know perfectly well how both are designed as how they work...
As you may have missed something...


THE SPATIAL GEOMETRY OF THE MAGNETIC FIELD

If you look again at a car alternator...the Magnetic Field is completely Static, no matter how fast you spin the rotor...
Alternators have the Coil, which generates the Magnetic Field, wound around (or parallel we could say) to the rotor shaft...then generating an upper and a lower pole.
The rotor steel core configuration (top and bottom) have these tooth like, which redirects the magnetic poles and alternate them in N/S/N/S/N in order to be facing the Induced Coils and Stator core...


However, the Magnetic Field is always Static (related to main N/S poles spatial positioning)...




And so, what we are going to be doing here is Moving the Magnetic Field through steet cores and coils which are completely static.






Regards






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Hello,



Here is my Rotary Switch progress...almost finished, have to set all connecting bolts-nuts...and hook all wires...plus make all connecting 16 wires to be soldered to the armature/rotor of the test small universal motor.


I ordered  a couple of Universal heavier DC Motors...should be coming next week hopefully.




I set my hand there on one pic...so you could compare sizes of the whole rotary power switch...


Yes, I installed a brand new flat commutator, 16 elements...


And made some "tune up" and clean up to the small little motor...which I wound specially for this job a long time ago...in order to consume very little power, as to have pretty good torque...no need to go over 4000 RPM's for this job.




Cheers




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Thanks for your reply to my question.  I'll keep following along to see how this works out. 


Very nice looking brush/commutator set-up you have built.  Really looks great!


Later,
Carroll

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Hello to All,








THE TANK CIRCUIT IN A TYPICAL GENERATOR





This is related to a typical, Single Phase Home Generator...any wattage


And here I would be specifically relating to the Excitation Circuit composed of:


1- Two Stator Coils, facing each others at 180º, and normally set at 90º to the Main Output Fields...these two coils are made of finer wire than main out Coils, and they have a plug which connects to a Running Capacitor. So, this Two Coils (in series between them) are in Parallel connected to a Cap...


And so, what we have here is simply a "Parallel Tank or Resonant Circuit"... ;D


2- The second part of this circuit are the Two Rotor Coils...which are also in a closed circuit by two Diodes.


I am showing a Diagram of both circuits in one image for clear understanding, to compare and to explain...


At plain start, from rest, any Generator have two small permanent magnets, set at 180º in Rotor Core...which assists in case any magnetic reminiscence in the rotor steel core is gone...
Besides that, if a Generator has been in storage for a long time...it may also need a "Flash Charge"...which is just to charge the Running Capacitor with an external currentof 120V or 220V (if the case)...then our generator is ready to start generating output.


Once the Magnetic Field starts rotating at the required Frequency, (50-60Hz normally) it will Induce an AC Current in Stator Coils, which in term is stored in Running Capacitor...and so...the old  story about Tank Circuits starts the "back and forth" jump of currents...


Point is, that the Exciter Circuit operates in two stages...


1- Charge takes place from the Tank Circuit to Rotor Coils at 90º...to a Full Magnetization of the Steel Core.


2- Discharge of the Rotor Circuit Coils, again at 90º more degrees, into the Output Coils...through Induction or Flux discharge (call it as you please.. :) ).


Please see attached Diagram of the Charge-Discharge Stages of the Exciter Circuit...


Here are some useful links to a better understanding, plus using the Formulas...and conversions


Calculations and Formulas of Tank Circuits


Calculator finding out one parameter, when having at least two of the three involved (f, L & C) or Frequency, Inductance and Capacitance required to be in Resonance...


Conversion from Microhenry to Henry

The previous Calculator gives results in Microhenry...so to take it to Henry




Well, We all know the Frequency that a Generator operates...it is either 50 or 60 Hertz...


The Inductance of our coils by measuring with an LCR Meter...


And We calculate the Cap value we need to work out successfully.




Note: This knowledge is very useful in order to conduct the tests with the Universal Motor...and be successful.




ATTENTION: ANY NAYSAYER COMMENTS , JUST WILLING TO START DISRUPTING HERE, WITHOUT ANY GOOD INTENTION OF CRITICISM OR CONTRIBUTIONS, WILL BE REMOVED "IPSO FACTO"!!








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« Last Edit: April 13, 2022, 10:08:14 PM by Ufopolitics »

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Hello again,


Today a Universal Motor would be arriving...it is a German build...pretty strongly made...oops...it just arrived while I was typing!!


Here is a pic... ;D


Is a Groschopp, and all connections are outside...in order to set it in series conn. or parallel connections...or to measure each coil individually...as Armature Inductance and resistance right from the two brushes...


It can work with 120V and with 50V...AC or DC...


I also ordered two LCR Meters, different calculating algorithms, in order to compare accuracy...


I will also verify on my lab generators for Equation Formula consistency of all parameters...L,C,R basically...as Frequency is constant.






Cheers








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