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Author Topic: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity  (Read 5686 times)

Offline floodrod

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #45 on: April 06, 2022, 02:50:24 PM »
After much thinking, I have my hypothesis of all this. I had to attach an image of my hypothesis because I am on mobile now. And I don't want to type it all out again. Anyway tell me what you think

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #46 on: April 06, 2022, 03:50:52 PM »
If my above hypothesis is correct, the answer will lie within point number two.  Understanding that is pivotal into quest to beat lens law

If indeed correct, I would imagine to generator coil should have extremely thin wire coils so it produces extremely high voltage with barely any amperage. Since voltage does not really create flux (amperage does) we may be able to produce a good amount of output watts without invoking additional drag to the motor.

Offline captainpecan

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #47 on: April 06, 2022, 06:47:15 PM »
Yes, I am following your thoughts pretty much exactly. It's beginning to make sense. Clear as mud, just a little cleaner mud now... lol

If I was to equate things to the most basic. It seems that the magnetic field around that coil induced by the passing magnets is nothing more than Voltage. Potential energy. That explains why an open circuit coil will show most possible voltage while delivers zero current. The current comes in when everything else is added to the equation. As soon as the circuit is complete, that potential is now allowed to move towards a balanced state that nature is always hunting for. The resistance, inductance, and effects of other magnetic fields all add up to the equation of what the current itself does. It's almost like the more turns outside the original magnetic field is adjusting the capacitance of sorts of the whole circuit. More inductance and resistance added, the more the capacitance drops. Maybe on a molecular level, by adding more and more wire outside of the magnetic field we are accidentally shrinking the capacitance available for that current to work with? I'm not sure, Im just rambling at this point and getting my thoughts out of my head and on paper so to speak. But to me, it is through the very basic of understanding what is going on at the smallest level, that we can determine how to manipulate to our advantage, or prove that the entire thing is a waste of time and move onto something else entirely trying to beat Lenz law. Time will tell. We will only really know when think we have it figured out and we accurately predict the next results. Whether good or bad. Then we will know. Good work. Thanks for working on this stuff with me!


One thing I always keep in the back of my mind. Nikola Tesla ALWAYS moved towards the side of higher voltages, lower current when he was going for efficiency. He would push higher current when he wanted sheer power and torque. I personally am always after the efficiency. Unless of course it's time to chew up a tree in the back yard. Thats when I have to put down my pulse motor and get to work, lol...

Offline floodrod

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #48 on: April 06, 2022, 07:08:09 PM »
Interesting. Yes time will tell.

Breaking it down in my mind, first asked a question why does a motor bog down under load?

When under load, current is being pulled from the generator coils. Current passing through coils creates electromagnetic fields that stick onto the rotor..

The less current passing through the generator coils, the less drag will be exerted onto the rotor.

So how to maximize output watts while minimizing current?

Very thin wire and high resistance coils. Will produce very high voltage but barely any amperage..

The very high voltage will have to be adjusted after it is out of the circuit to be usable. But I think this is the direction I am going to venture into next

Offline captainpecan

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #49 on: April 06, 2022, 07:18:29 PM »
Exactly, and you are seeing now why I have been making all my coils with very thin wire and a shit ton of turns. High resistance is kind of kicking me. I'm seeing the drawbacks of course. But I'm with you on that thought process. In my mind, 20 watts of power delivered  by 5 volts at 4 amps will cause way more drag on the rotor than 200 volts at 100ma. And its exactly the same wattage. Just the way I see it, as I believe you do as well. But the resistance is kind of a booger on that thin wire. But, all of my coils are being wound that way for testing very soon. Both run coils and gen coils. I will have results, whether good or bad. I am either going to have a very good efficient useful design, or I'm going to have the power of toothbrush I have to pump 500 volts into to brush my teeth... lol. But I'm gonna learn something damn it!!!

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #50 on: April 06, 2022, 07:30:20 PM »
Another thought, im trying not to drift to far off topic, but it does have to do with high voltages coming out of gen coils and possible ways to work with the higher voltage. I do not remember exactly where I heard this from, but I believe it was many years ago the work done by Ronald Brandt and John Bedini. I personally try and avoid using any capacitors in my circuits because from my personal testing, I always seem to lose a lot of efficiency when I store energy in a cap to discharge again. Just my experience. But, I do remember where they were experimenting with doing something backwards in thought that may apply here soon. Maybe it would make the caps more efficient as well. They were charging capacitors in series with high voltage spikes, and discharging them in parallel so the current effectively doubles. As we know, when you hook caps in series the voltage doubles but the capacitance cuts in half. It doesn't do that with batteries, only capacitors. But in parallel, the voltage stays the same and the capacitance doubles... One thing caps are really great for as we know, is supplying the current we need from a high voltage charging source. I will look for the simple circuit I remember for doing this. It was just using diodes and was basically automatic and very easy. I never tried it, but I always thought it was an interesting idea. Maybe it could become relevant here in the future? But then again, some transformers can be nearly 100% efficient with these ac signals already anyway. Just a simple stepdown transformer may fit the bill just fine. But then again with what we just learned, would adding a very high turn coil (the step down transformer) immediately take away energy from the circuit simply by just being there, like our diversion coils do currently? Caps wouldnt do that. So maybe? Just sharing thoughts.


EDIT: I found what I was talking about so I'm adding it here. Here is a link showing it. The concept is further down the page. There are voltage drops due to diodes and stuff. But it's the concept I'm kicking around. Maybe it could be useful here soon?
http://www.tuks.nl/wiki/index.php/Main/BEMFRecoveryCircuit

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #51 on: April 06, 2022, 07:52:13 PM »
14 years of coil evolution :  Thane says his scooter will generate 50 Amps at 35 KPH from a disc brake sized magnet rotor and a dozen horseshoes.

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #52 on: April 06, 2022, 07:58:41 PM »
14 years of coil evolution :


Coils getting smaller and smaller... And then there's me below, "trying something different".... lol  :P 

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #53 on: April 06, 2022, 08:09:16 PM »
Captain, since transformers work with AC, I think you were correct in your thinking that it will be no good for this purpose.

I am thinking more along the lines of an MPPT solar charge controller which is rated at voltages higher than what is produced

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #54 on: April 06, 2022, 11:31:16 PM »

Look at what Lidmotor suceeded at here. He has his generator coils wired in parallel wth his driver coils as Whoppy shows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLRqM0nDT_M

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #55 on: April 07, 2022, 12:54:18 AM »

Look at the size of the Capacitor Woopy is shorting accross his output coil:

shorting coil test 5 .wmv - YouTube

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #56 on: April 07, 2022, 03:19:04 AM »
Captian-

I know all of this info can be found within this forum, but it can be daunting looking through all the threads and picking and piecing the info together.  but after searching, I found a source that describes just about exactly what we are experimenting with.  The bucking of these coils in my hypothesis turns out to be partnered output coils.

This page here goes over it all..  https://studylib.net/doc/18564773/guidelines-to-bucking-coils.-lenz-s-law-free-power-extrac... 

Lenz Free Power Extraction from Bucking Coils.

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #58 on: April 07, 2022, 04:11:42 PM »
Woopy is pointing to the tiny AC capacitor to the inside of the rectifier, on his schematic, between the coil and FWBR. There is a picture of the light brown tantalum micro capacitor above. The value is 40 uF.

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #59 on: April 07, 2022, 04:39:20 PM »
Frequency delays or advances the Lenz effect on the coil. Reducing the capacity of the resonant LC tank raises the frequency and delays the Lenz effect. The higher the frequency the greater the delay!