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Author Topic: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity  (Read 5759 times)

Offline synchro1

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2022, 12:22:49 AM »
I can't find anything wrong with your explanation. We are shorting the coil a bit differently. The coil impedence is maximum when in resonance. This prevents any input current from entering the coils. The coils consume zero current when in the propulsion mode. The frequency of the coil tank determines the amount of Lenz delay. The rotor RPM is a critical factor. You got real negative test results. Equal in value. You tested the effects of the Capacitor on the Lenz drag! Very important result.

Offline captainpecan

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2022, 01:10:47 AM »
I can't find anything wrong with your explanation. We are shorting the coil a bit differently. The coil impedence is maximum when in resonance.

Thank you for the prompt response. So many try and make this stuff so mystical and like its a giant secret. There's nothing mystical here. It's just simply trying to understand things and trying to apply them in new ways. Right up my alley!

Offline floodrod

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2022, 01:51:25 AM »
Hey Captain....

So I did a few small experiments with our diversion coil idea, and I must say-  this is worthy of full investigation..    I have some more data to share..

I hooked up 1 pair of coils to the generator circuit as shown in the pic.  The generator coil set is now a closed circuit..  I clamped another coil and core to the diversion coil and rectified the output. Here are my preliminary findings:

1. When FWBR DC output leads are NOT hooked to the battery, the motor goes FULL SPPED!  (even with the closed circuit)  so it must be directing a lot of flux to the diversion coil.    And the output voltage from the DC side of the FWBR is impressive!

2. When I hook the DC leads from the FWBR too the battery, Lenz Law comes back into play..  The motor slows down  some.  BUT the speed is still an increase from without the diversion coil. 

My thoughts at the moment are,  it is indeed working..  But drawing off the diversion coil must be pushing some flux back into the primary 4 coil generator circuit because lenz law returns, just not as bad as before.

This is leading me to believe I need more diversion coils!  From what I am seeing, I am leaning towards the conclusion that UNLOADED, the diversion coil is transferring the FULL FLUX even with a closed circuit!  But when loaded, it appears that the accumulative flux quantity is spread out evenly over all 5 coils.  Thus making the motor go 20-25% quicker!

Again I am in the beginning stages of these experiments, and all my data is mostly visual.  But once I get a full idea of whats happening, I can do accurate tests with a full setup

Offline floodrod

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2022, 03:22:54 AM »
Another piece of the puzzle to throw in here.. quite interesting!

Instead of closing the loop, I ran the entire loop from one end of the FWBR to the other..  And I sent the flux through BOTH diversion coils.  (no collectors)..  I still had the diversion coils clamped together..  The FWBR was feeding back into the battery the whole time..

Now the interesting part..  See the green arrow in my drawing.....   I hooked up the two diversion coils both ways..  Diversion coils Magnetic flux attracting each other and flux repelling and compared..

1 way there was very big Lenz drag...
The other way- the motor RIPPED!  Like No Lenz Effect...

I am not going to have time tonight to continue much, ..  I am also not sure how much this is hurting the output.  But I am all but sure it is.. 

In the upcoming days (my weekend) I plan to organize all this and setup controlled tests measuring full output etc to get a better handle on all this


Offline captainpecan

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2022, 03:23:54 AM »
Thats really good results. It shows that we are onto something with the concept. The best use of it is still a mystery. But it's basically shown that the underlying concept seems to be valid. Great work! I just happened to have torn my entire build apart reworking my motor design just before I mentioned my idea to you, so it will be a couple days before I get built back to start working the concept in other ways as well. I have some special type coils I wound that I am going to mix with my Gen coils outside of the flux and create an attraction motor design from the diversion coils to add to the shaft torque as I draw off the Gen side. Kind of complicated idea, but it's been bouncing in my head for months. It's kind of nice having someone understand and test some of the underlying concept I've been bouncing around for a while now to beat Lenz law!!!


This was just a simple little test on just attraction. It did get up to almost 500 rpm on only 12v at 57ma. So that can be easily obtained from Gen coils. If this becomes the diversion coils, look at the energy thrown back into the shaft while taking away a large Lenz law drag... just a thought. My concept anyway to just pass that energy through here to the battery.
https://youtu.be/hPeKd-UupTc

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2022, 03:31:16 AM »
Thats really good results. It shows that we are onto something with the concept. The best use of it is still a mystery. But it's basically shown that the underlying concept seems to be valid. Great work! I just happened to have torn my entire build apart reworking my motor design just before I mentioned my idea to you, so it will be a couple days before I get built back to start working the concept in other ways as well. I have some special type coils I wound that I am going to mix with my Gen coils outside of the flux and create an attraction motor design from the diversion coils to add to the shaft torque as I draw off the Gen side. Kind of complicated idea, but it's been bouncing in my head for months. It's kind of nice having someone understand and test some of the underlying concept I've been bouncing around for a while now to beat Lenz law!!!

Awesome!  Yes it's nice to have someone also working on a similar idea to bounce ideas off each other..

I am totally into this strategy.  Without a doubt, using the flux diversion coils gives us the ability to manipulate the rotor / flux interactions in many ways that were not possible before.  We will see where it leads

Offline captainpecan

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2022, 03:33:59 AM »
@floodrod...

Great tests. Keep in mind also that Lenz law also will restrict current as well. So, hooked up wrong, you could effectively make your Gen coil do nothing as well. Maybe that's when you saw the speed increase so much? Maybe you chocked them off and were actually making them useless? Just something to think about. Gotta look at it from all angles. I can't wait until I am built back up again and can start running some good rpm amd power tests. Of course, my build is totally different than adams motor. But this aspect we are discussing is the same.

I added a little link on my last post you may not have seen. Just kind of explaining the attraction idea as well.

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2022, 04:31:32 AM »
@floodrod...

Great tests. Keep in mind also that Lenz law also will restrict current as well. So, hooked up wrong, you could effectively make your Gen coil do nothing as well. Maybe that's when you saw the speed increase so much? Maybe you chocked them off and were actually making them useless? Just something to think about. Gotta look at it from all angles. I can't wait until I am built back up again and can start running some good rpm amd power tests. Of course, my build is totally different than adams motor. But this aspect we are discussing is the same.

I added a little link on my last post you may not have seen. Just kind of explaining the attraction idea as well.

Yea, I saw you post that video in another thread. I was peeking in on it -  very cool...

It is very possible I was wiping out all power from the generator as you say.  I really have no idea yet, but I will know soon enough.  I just went and verified which polarities produced what.  When there was no Lenz drag, the two diversion coils were attracting each other clamped together.


EDIT-- I just did a final test for the night..  I checked voltage with the No-Lenz configuration and I was cranking out voltage!

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2022, 04:50:01 AM »
EDIT-- I just did a final test for the night..  I checked voltage with the No-Lenz configuration and I was cranking out voltage!
Thats awesome!!! Have a good evening!

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2022, 03:41:38 PM »
   
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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2022, 02:12:23 AM »
I have another update:

I hooked up an additional 5 exact same coils as the drivers / generator coils.  Except the 5 had a full core around them..  Speed increased about double.  Tested wattage:   output was 13.6 watts

Then I unhooked them and hooked up the generator with no extra diversion coils.  Like how it was designed.  RPM slowed but output was 27 watts.

then I hooked up 1 open core coil as an electromagnet with nothing clamped onto it.  RPM was maybe slightly better than the standard way, but wattage dropped to 24 watts output.

Next I hooked up 2 coils clamped together.

Repelling flux (with lenz drag)=  24 watts
Attracting flux- (no lenz)  Ghost voltage- no amperage.  Could not power a load.  Good voltage unloaded, but everything frops out when loaded.

Preliminary results suggest the diversion coils allow diversion of flux, but everything remained relative..  The  more flux diverted, the quicker the motor went with equal reduction of output power.  And no configuration performed as good as the standard generator coils with no diversion coils.

I will be doing more tests, but so far, no clear direction to improvement emerged


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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2022, 02:20:55 AM »
Oh and lastly I tried 1 diversion coil, closing the circuit, and pulling power off a coil clamped to the diversion coil.  14 watts output.

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2022, 10:00:12 AM »
Very good tests. Thanks for posting. Trying to wrap my brain around the results a bit. Where is the extra power going? I mean, it all fits that in the long run we get a gain in one place only to lose it elsewhere. But what is actually happening in the other diversion coils? I mean at the micro scale. Because it seems that the same amount of copper turns and permanent magnet interaction is there either way. It's almost like, diverting lenz may actually dissipate the current somewhere. It looks simply like without the drag, we just get the voltage and no current follows. Kind of a bummer, but its another learning experiece. Just really weird. Cool idea anyway. This little brain teaser is going to bug me... lol.

Another odd thought. If current is created by moving a magnetic field past the wire. And a magnetic field is created by moving a current through the wire. If you stick magnets on the core of the stationary diversion coil, it should oppose the current flow and slow down the current. But since things appear opposite in this setup, does that act the same as well? Any chance that the current would increase simply by just sticking a magnet to the coil core? I know it can increase rpm in a pulse motor at times to direct the flux of a drive coil with a permanent magnet. Just a thought, since the diversion coils seem to be kind of funny. It does just appear like a non useful neat idea. But I'll keep playing with it a bit with high resistance coils. Who knows.

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2022, 12:49:32 PM »


Another odd thought. If current is created by moving a magnetic field past the wire. And a magnetic field is created by moving a current through the wire. If you stick magnets on the core of the stationary diversion coil, it should oppose the current flow and slow down the current. But since things appear opposite in this setup, does that act the same as well? Any chance that the current would increase simply by just sticking a magnet to the coil core? I know it can increase rpm in a pulse motor at times to direct the flux of a drive coil with a permanent magnet. Just a thought, since the diversion coils seem to be kind of funny. It does just appear like a non useful neat idea. But I'll keep playing with it a bit with high resistance coils. Who knows.

I actually tried a few other things I did not mention.  One of them being magnets on the diversion core.  It may do something, but in my setup, the magnets are alternating- so sticking a magnet on the coil didn't do much if anything.  It may have helped 1 side of the wave, but then opposed the other side.  I also got the motor to speed up and slow down by clamping the 2 diversion coils in different orientations.  Like 1 outer leg of the core to the center of the the other coil, etc.  things changed, but no net gain noticed..

My final test before bed was interesting..  I hooked the alternating DC output leads of the H bridge to the collection coil (split with the driver coils) that was clamped on the diversion coil.  We can control Lenz drag at exact timings by pulsating voltage into the collection coil which is clamped on the diversion coil.  In my case, I was turning off Lenz law as the exact time the driver coils were firing..  I had a big increase of speed and pretty good amperage output. But I wasn't able to get a full wattage reading doing so because the of the hour of the night. I know it was not producing enough to run itself tho (i tried).    My initial thoughts tell me the results will be relative once again but I am not sure on that yet. 

That's the biggest advantage I can see as of now.  By using a diversion coil , we can use it as a "remote control" to alter the generators flux patterns with extreme accuracy. In all honesty tho- I am still not convinced that switching generator coils really does anything useful.  Sure it lessens drag at critical times which allows greater RPM, but the costs of this manifests in the output readings.

Tonight or tomorrow I will get readings and wattage of the latest test.  And I have a few other ideas I already have planned to try.  And the wheels in my head are spinning! 

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Re: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity
« Reply #44 on: April 06, 2022, 01:27:41 PM »
But what if the current is not taken directly from the winding of a conventional generator, but this current is interrupted by a high-speed switch several times per period ?
What will Lenz do ?  Maybe nonsense, of course...

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