Author Topic: Running Adams Motor - 6 pole Alternating Polarity (Read 9781 times)

synchro1 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 04, 2022, 01:37:00 AM »

Connect a tiny capacitor you choose at random in parallel with the electrodes of the output coil with clips and see if the rotor speeds up. This is the ReGenX Gimmick!

captainpecan · « **Reply #16 on:** April 04, 2022, 02:01:06 AM »

Quote from: floodrod on April 04, 2022, 12:47:09 AM

I guess I just found the same roadblock that many before me have faced. There will be no OU unless Lenz Law can be bypassed / lessened / reversed / .

Don't get discouraged. It's a law for a reason. But, there are other ways to look at it and deal with it. I personally haven't worked with shorting the coils, something I have been interested in. I am working on a concept with my motor I've never seen done. Maybe it will help.

But, I have been thinking the Lenz law thing through at the very basic level. Gives me a few things to try. But consider this... I could be completely wrong here. But I have an idea. Lenz is the result of current flowing in the coil and has a reverse magnetic field to the magnet that created it. Picture your magnets passing your Gen coils. You have 3 coils generating current. Each coil generates a field opposing the magnets. If there were 3 more coils in series, that the magnets DO NOT pass over at all, since the current would have to flow through all 6 but the magnets would only see it in 3. It is the same amount of current, wouldn't the reverse magnetic field be split into all 6? Effectively cutting the Lenz effect in half that the 3 magnets see even though you still generate the same amount from them? Well, slightly less because of added resistance of the 3 extra coils. Kind of like naturally diverting the magnetic field Lenz creates down the line where it is not causing drag. Im not sure if that would be the case, but it seems reasonable. Just an idea I had I plan on trying myself.

floodrod · « **Reply #17 on:** April 04, 2022, 02:08:01 AM »

Quote from: synchro1 on April 04, 2022, 01:37:00 AM

Connect a tiny capacitor you choose at random in parallel with the electrodes of the output coil with clips and see if the rotor speeds up. This is the ReGenX Gimmick!

OK I tried a few. a 10 uf and a 100 uf after the fwbr I didn't notice any changes. My AC cap inventory only consists of one 320 MFD AC cap. I tried that one on the AC side before the fwbr and it slows the motor down substantially.

Since I have a bag of Triacs of decent capacity, I am thinking I might try to use one triggered by a hall sensor to only connect the collector coils at a specific time. Same idea as cutting connection with a reed switch, (i think) but i can tune-in a triac with a hall sensor much easier (again i think).

floodrod · « **Reply #18 on:** April 04, 2022, 02:26:33 AM »

Quote from: captainpecan on April 04, 2022, 02:01:06 AM

Don't get discouraged. It's a law for a reason. But, there are other ways to look at it and deal with it. I personally haven't worked with shorting the coils, something I have been interested in. I am working on a concept with my motor I've never seen done. Maybe it will help.

But, I have been thinking the Lenz law thing through at the very basic level. Gives me a few things to try. But consider this... I could be completely wrong here. But I have an idea. Lenz is the result of current flowing in the coil and has a reverse magnetic field to the magnet that created it. Picture your magnets passing your Gen coils. You have 3 coils generating current. Each coil generates a field opposing the magnets. If there were 3 more coils in series, that the magnets DO NOT pass over at all, since the current would have to flow through all 6 instead of just the 3. It is the same amount of current, wouldn't the reverse magnetic field be split into all 6? Effectively cutting the Lenz effect in half that the 3 magnets see even though you still generate the same amount from them? Kind of like naturally diverting the magnetic field Lenz creates down the line where it is not causing drag. Im not sure if that would be the case, but it seems reasonable. Just an idea I had I plan on trying myself.

EDIT- If I try this idea, I think I would need diodes between each coil so the rotor can't induce current in the top coils and DC can only flow one way through

Interesting- I like your intuitive thoughts!. I might try your idea (kinda) by just adding a big coil of wire in series with the generator coils outside the range of the rotor before it hits the fwbr. Since it's said magnetic fields travel just about the speed of light, if your idea works, perhaps just one big coil on the output would divert some flux that way.

I was thinking something similar, but different. Not sure if my idea will do any good, just a brainstorm like yours..

I now have 4 generator coils. What if I mount 4 additional coils of the same type exactly over the rotor lining up with the bottom coils. (interacting with the top of the magnets on the rotor.) the 4 original generator coils on the bottom would go to a FWBR then the DC would come out and go into the top 4 coils which would be wired in series so the magnetic field opposes the rotor's top magnets. So as the motor spins, AC is created, rectified, then fed through a electromagnets opposing the lenz drag, then finally tied to the battery through diodes to collect it at the end.

EDIT- If I do try this- I think I will need diodes between each coil on the top to stop AC from being generated and feeding the wrong way

captainpecan · « **Reply #19 on:** April 04, 2022, 02:38:59 AM »

@floodrod...
That's exactly what I was getting at, same concept. Maybe it will work. I was thinking of taking it a step further like you suggested, bit I was thinking of it a little different. Adding the extra coils opposite the magnets would do what you think. But the only problem there is that THAT will also create more Lenz drag. BUT, line them up with some steel or iron on the rotor as well. That way when the current flows through it, it will attract the iron having an attraction motor effect no matter which direction the current flows. Line it up so the attraction aids in the same direction of the shaft spin. Then, if successful, we cut down the effect of Lenz drag in the Gen coils, and aided a little to the rotation in the other coils. A 2 for 1 situation maybe???

If you test any of this, please post and let me know. I'll do the same.

lancaIV · « **Reply #20 on:** April 04, 2022, 02:44:42 AM »

floodrod · « **Reply #21 on:** April 04, 2022, 02:57:50 AM »

Quote from: captainpecan on April 04, 2022, 02:38:59 AM

@floodrod...
That's exactly what I was getting at, same concept. Maybe it will work. I was thinking of taking it a step further like you suggested, bit I was thinking of it a little different. Adding the extra coils opposite the magnets would do what you think. But the only problem there is that THAT will also create more Lenz drag. BUT, line them up with some steel or iron on the rotor as well. That way when the current flows through it, it will attract the iron having an attraction motor effect no matter which direction the current flows. Line it up so the attraction aids in the same direction of the shaft spin. Then, if successful, we cut down the effect of Lenz drag in the Gen coils, and aided a little to the rotation in the other coils. A 2 for 1 situation maybe???

I just tried your original idea and hooked 2 coils in series on the output before the FWBR.. The 2 coils outside the rotors range definitely received flux and alternating magnetic fields were in them for sure.. The motor got considerably faster! BUT.,.. (there's always a but)... The battery drained much quicker... No test measurements were done, but I would venture to guess that the amount of flux we direct away from the generator coils will be equal to the amount of power decrease the generator spits out.

Regarding the other idea, it would be more difficult that I first thought because my magnets are alternating. I would need more circuitry to switch the polarity constantly of the top coils to always repel the alternating field rotor

captainpecan · « **Reply #22 on:** April 04, 2022, 03:33:12 AM »

Well, that is actually not a bad result. Everything is as expected except so much more current. We need to understand why. Would be nice to know the change in generated energy if you happen to get any measurements. Any results are a learning experience.

floodrod · « **Reply #23 on:** April 04, 2022, 03:43:29 AM »

Quote from: captainpecan on April 04, 2022, 03:33:12 AM

Well, that is actually not a bad result. Everything is as expected except so much more current. We need to understand why. Would be nice to know the change in generated energy if you happen to get any measurements. Any results are a learning experience.

Will do! But the next logical step is about to get even more complicated....

So we have a BIG iron core coil outside the range of the rotor magnets.. And this BIG COIL is pulsating alternating polarity from the diverted flux.. Now the next logical step is to harvest energy from this alternating electromagnet that we just diverted it to...

So we get yet another iron core coil and clamp it to the diversion coil that is pulsating.. Then rectify that and dump it back to the battery!

I am liking this idea... We can divert just about ALL the flux away from the rotor, then convert it outside the range of the rotor where Lenz effect can not hurt the rotor

captainpecan · « **Reply #24 on:** April 04, 2022, 03:59:37 AM »

Quote from: floodrod on April 04, 2022, 03:43:29 AM

Will do! But the next logical step is about to get even more complicated....

So we have a BIG iron core coil outside the range of the rotor magnets.. And this BIG COIL is pulsating alternating polarity from the diverted flux.. Now the next logical step is to harvest energy from this alternating electromagnet that we just diverted it to...

So we get yet another iron core coil and clamp it to the diversion coil that is pulsating.. Then rectify that and dump it back to the battery!

I am liking this idea... We can divert just about ALL the flux away from the rotor, then convert it outside the range of the rotor where Lenz effect can not hurt the rotor

That's awesome. You are thinking just like me. It's at the very least, a new concept worth looking into. There could be many things we can try with it. But, at least for now, it's like we are using Lenz law to our advantage instead of complaining about how much it's kicking our butts... lol. A step forward!
I will be able to get back to work on mine as well hopefully tomorrow and I cam try some as well. I have a hunch that diverting the flux isn't causes as much of a decline in the generated energy as you may suspect. The added resistance will for sure a bit, but I think it's a negligible amount of loss considering the gained rpm and the use of the field outside of the rotor in whatever way we do. Interesting stuff.

floodrod · « **Reply #25 on:** April 04, 2022, 04:09:42 AM »

Yeah.. I have some HUGE transformers that weigh like 80 pounds.. The windings are like 10 gauge or maybe bigger.. In the coming days, I am going to try hooking one up as the diversion / outside collector.. They have complete enclosed cores, so they should work fine for the diversion/recapture with very little leakage. And they won't be adding much resistance or creating much heat at all.

captainpecan · « **Reply #26 on:** April 04, 2022, 04:41:03 AM »

That sounds great. Would love to hear how it turns out.

synchro1 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 04, 2022, 09:36:17 PM »

The Capacitor is wired directly to the coil, no rectifier in between. The Capacitor value should be in micro farads. uF! Nice try. You got it to slow down. That is where you attach the micro capacitor to get it to speed up! This amounts to a coil shorting technique. Thane Heines takes credit for discovering this, but it was around before he picked up on it.

Measuring the coil inductance in Henries and matching a capacitor value to resonate at the rotor critical frequency RPM, would work best. Thane is secretive about the details, but I am certain that it is a much smaller capacitor than the ones you tried. Good work!

lancaIV · « **Reply #28 on:** April 04, 2022, 10:41:08 PM »

Quote from: synchro1 on April 04, 2022, 09:36:17 PM

The Capacitor is wired directly to the coil, no rectifier in between. The Capacitor value should be in micro farads. uF! Nice try. You got it to slow down. That is where you attach the micro capacitor to get it to speed up! This amounts to a coil shorting technique. Thane Heines takes credit for discovering this, but it was around before he picked up on it.

Measuring the coil inductance in Henries and matching a capacitor value to resonate at the rotor critical frequency RPM, would work best. Thane is secretive about the details, but I am certain that it is a much smaller capacitor than the ones you tried. Good work!

the capacitor is based by coils

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Base for this rotor " capacitive coils windings", 2009 Lisbon/PT INPI approved and granted :

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captainpecan · « **Reply #29 on:** April 04, 2022, 11:41:30 PM »

Quote from: synchro1 on April 04, 2022, 09:36:17 PM

The Capacitor is wired directly to the coil, no rectifier in between. The Capacitor value should be in micro farads. uF! Nice try. You got it to slow down. That is where you attach the micro capacitor to get it to speed up! This amounts to a coil shorting technique. Thane Heines takes credit for discovering this, but it was around before he picked up on it.

Measuring the coil inductance in Henries and matching a capacitor value to resonate at the rotor critical frequency RPM, would work best. Thane is secretive about the details, but I am certain that it is a much smaller capacitor than the ones you tried. Good work!

I have not done nearly enough work into this concept. Would you mind correcting my understanding of how it works if i am wrong. I'm trying to wrap my mind around the general concept and if it really is that beneficial. I have a hunch that it wasn't as beneficial as led to be. But, this is just a hunch so it's probably wrong. So please correct my thinking if I am off here because I am trying to understand it and have not put in nearly the leg work per say many others have.
But consider this. What you are referring to is a simple tank circuit. Properly configured basically sloshes the energy back and forth between the coil and capacitor until it dissipates. Kind of a recycling of it. Knowing from experience, just the act of sending energy into a capacitor typically seems to lose somewhere around 50% of the energy. Just my experience anyway and dont hold me to that number. Its just an observance for explanation. If you look at a scope of the tank circuit bouncing back and forth, it does appear to be losing that 50% or so each bounce between the coil and cap. Now in this Thain Heines concept, if I understand it correctly, is grabbing that flyback, and bouncing it back and forth with a tank circuit. As it is bouncing, part of it begins to push the rotor forward because the magnet has moved past TDC and is now repelled by that same pulse as its bouncing back. This causes the increase in speed. If I am correct, then immediately the pulse returning is nearly half as strong as the first flyback energy. Then half of that. And so on. It seems to me that using the flyback to get a tiny bit of acceleration by wasting the majority of the flyback energy you originally had seems counter productive. Why not just take that entire flyback and dump it across the battery and capture it all? Seems more efficient? Is something else happening there that I am not understanding? I'm attaching just a simple tank circuit scope shot to kind of show the 50% ish loss each bounce of the flyback in the tank circuit.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not fighting against it. I'm trying to understand why everyone keeps saying to do this because it seems counter intuitive to me. So I probably misunderstand something here.

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