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Author Topic: Ukraine and Russia  (Read 11637 times)

Offline kolbacict

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Re: Ukraine and Russia
« Reply #105 on: April 27, 2022, 07:28:12 PM »
Average lower-class Russian pension is about 14,000 rubles= $28 per month
It's about me... :) :)

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Re: Ukraine and Russia
« Reply #106 on: April 27, 2022, 09:18:03 PM »
https://marketrealist.com/p/how-much-money-is-russia-losing-daily/
20 billion dollars daily but of course it varies.
https://www.yenisafak.com/en/world/daily-cost-of-ukraine-war-likely-to-exceed-20b-for-russia-study-3590755
Wesley


  That money would've been better spent improving the lives of Russians. I'm sure a lot of Russians would probably like to
be able to export Russian made goods, develop better geothermal heating systems, etc. Make life better for Russians and
probably create more manufacturing jobs.

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Re: Ukraine and Russia
« Reply #107 on: April 27, 2022, 10:45:13 PM »
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Vladimir Putin, changed Russia from poverty and isolation to to its modern form of more poverty,corruption, dictatorship, and isolation assisted by terror.
The official value of one dollar's about 78 rubles, but you lucky if you buy dollar on black market anywhere between 300 to 900 rubles per one.
Average lower-class Russian pension is about 14,000 rubles= $28 per month
it is if we take average : that 500 rubles equals now ~around one dollar

Thanks for posting on this issue.

It's just incredible what's going on over in Russia, how a ruthless dictator like Putin can literally bring his entire country to it's knees. Sure we have some problems in the U.S. and Canada but there minor in comparison.

We should be clear what's happening in Russia and China is slavery. They have enslaved there whole population for profit so they remain powerless. These stupid SOB's really get me worked up.

Regards
AC

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Re: Ukraine and Russia
« Reply #108 on: April 28, 2022, 12:51:06 AM »

It's just incredible what's going on over in Russia, how a ruthless dictator like Putin can literally bring his entire country to it's knees.
The worry is what a man as damaged and desperate as Putin is might do when backed into a corner.

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Re: Ukraine and Russia
« Reply #109 on: April 28, 2022, 01:38:12 AM »
stivep
Thanks for posting on this issue.

It's just incredible what's going on over in Russia, how a ruthless dictator like Putin can literally bring his entire country to it's knees. Sure we have some problems in the U.S. and Canada but there minor in comparison.

We should be clear what's happening in Russia and China is slavery. They have enslaved there whole population for profit so they remain powerless. These stupid SOB's really get me worked up.

Regards
AC


  If it wasn't for stiff Ukrainian resistance, the West probably would've let Putin take Ukraine. Ukrainian resistance is something that
no one counted on.
A part of the problem is the desire for cheap energy. Why Russia was allowed to build a bridge to Crimea and the EU worked with
Russia on the Nordstream 2 pipeline. That would've cut out Ukraine.
 As for Putin, Western leaders would've known https://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-1999-russian-apartment-bombings-led-to-putins-rise-to-power-2018-3
and yet it was Ukraine who was being told to do nothing. Even during the massive military build up Western leaders weren't too concerned.
And yet in 2019 Putin was in South America (G-20 summit) and talked to then President Trump. Putin told Trump that the Sea of Azov is Russian national security.
 And obviously with Crimea under Russian control, how to link it with Russia by land as well? And this is something that is going to hurt both Ukraine and Russia
for decades to come. Possibly the only thing that could've prevented this war would've been a naval blockade of Crimea in 2014. Then Western leaders could've
said that Ukraine will be neutral like Sweden, Finland and Switzerland. Then Putin would've known that Western leaders supported Ukraine territorial rights.
 Kind of where sanctions profited countries at Ukraine's expense.

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Re: Ukraine and Russia
« Reply #110 on: April 28, 2022, 07:49:21 AM »
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Average lower-class Russian pension is about 14,000 rubles= $28 per month
I'll even say more. I haven't  a cent of income for almost a month now.
but everything is fine, I'm not complaining. Because my main income is from repairing TVs.
And TV is what made Russians the way they are now.
So I feel partly responsible for this. :)

p.s. And the perpetual motion machine is still not working for me ... :(
« Last Edit: April 28, 2022, 10:41:34 AM by kolbacict »

Offline onepower

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Re: Ukraine and Russia
« Reply #111 on: April 28, 2022, 08:11:09 AM »
PaulR
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The worry is what a man as damaged and desperate as Putin is might do when backed into a corner.

The real problem would seem to be a complete lack of standards...

Psychotic people like trump and putin would never pass a credible psychiatric examination and should have been weeded out as unfit for office. In short they have mental problems and are unstable. Biden is also losing mental capacity and his health by the day and should have been disqualified from running.

As many people here have said, how is this bs even happening in this day and age?.

I mean, walmart probably has more rigorous hiring standards than most countries have for there leaders. One would think we would want the best and brightest leading our country but apparently the opposite is true for reasons I cannot understand.

Regards
AC





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Re: Ukraine and Russia
« Reply #112 on: April 28, 2022, 02:10:08 PM »
Today it is announced that Poland and Bulgaria are to lose their Russian gas connection. The matter will become urgent in the the Autumn when the weather turns.

What can be done?

Thank you very much for your input.
Poland and Bulgaria had announced sometime before - their willingness to depart from Russian gas delivery.
so Vladimir Putin wanted it to look like it was Russia that made
the decision of cutting out the gas and not Poland Bulgaria.


Vladimir Putin doing that wanted to push EU to accept his demand to pay for Russian gas with Russian rubles.


It's easy to understand:
if Russians make a value of one American dollar equal 78 rubles. Or even one Russian ruble.
-That doesn't change the fact that you cannot buy this American dollar for less than 300 rubles on black market.
Western world needs still to buy the rubles from Russian government in order to pay for the gas.
Russian government has no rights to demand that  as all existing agreements were signed in dollars.

So why Vladimir Putin  is doing that:
Russian stock market is dead now. Russian ruble has no set and recognized value outside of Russia.
Russia is cutout from Western goods.
Friendly to Russian Federation China, doesn't have a recognized way to value Russian ruble in their own exchange.
Russia is only the gas station of the word and doesn't have any manufacturing.
So anything China sales to Russia must be done in established American dollar to ruble or European euro to ruble exchange value.


Poland is finishing pipeline with Norwegians, it has cryogenic gas from its own hub,
and from Latvian hub.
norway-poland-gas-link-construction-

Bulgaria is dealing with Azerbaijan and Greece to solve the matter.
Bulgaria
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Every garden could have a Savonius type wind turbine connected to a simple generator.
A wheel hub motor from an e-scooter would be a start, connected to a resistive load.
What other suggestions are there?
nobody wants to spend money, good ideas are always helpful.However not everybody is mechanically or electronically advised or advanced.
thank you very much for good topics to discuss here,
Wesley

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Re: Ukraine and Russia
« Reply #113 on: April 28, 2022, 03:19:00 PM »
PaulR
The real problem would seem to be a complete lack of standards...

Psychotic people like trump and putin would never pass a credible psychiatric examination and should have been weeded out as unfit for office. In short they have mental problems and are unstable. Biden is also losing mental capacity and his health by the day and should have been disqualified from running.

As many people here have said, how is this bs even happening in this day and age?.

I mean, walmart probably has more rigorous hiring standards than most countries have for there leaders. One would think we would want the best and brightest leading our country but apparently the opposite is true for reasons I cannot understand.

Regards
AC


  Where I live in the U.S., I used to watch broadcast Sunday church services. And then I became aware of why so many Christians have caused me problems. They
were telling people what they wanted to hear and a lot of politicians are the same way. An example I'll use is from America's largest personal injury lawyers. Did you
have a slip and fall accident?  Some stores are careless and some more than others. You probably know which store I'm talking about. We have to hold them responsible.
 Make it sound like you're talking to them and they'll support you. With the invasion of Ukraine, I wonder what will happen on May 9th and after. Even with Russia having
Mariupol that would give Ukraine a battle line. And then as some have considered, Putin might wait a few years and then start another war until he has Ukraine like he
wants.

 If this is true, it's disturbing.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-stooges-may-nuke-us-183813392.html
 
 

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Re: Ukraine and Russia
« Reply #114 on: April 28, 2022, 11:55:40 PM »

 And then as some have considered, Putin might wait a few years and then start another war until he has Ukraine like he
wants.

 If this is true, it's disturbing.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-stooges-may-nuke-us-183813392.html
"Russia will respond with “instruments… nobody else can boast of, and we will use them if we have to.”
What Comrade Vlad seems to have forgotten is that his beloved Soviet Union did a lot of espionage in the 1980s. Reagan was asked if these agents should be rounded up. He said "No". Let them trip over a large number of chips and misc s/w which were seeded with trojans. They will now be all over the place. Putin's tech may not be as predsictable as he thinks it is.


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« Reply #115 on: April 29, 2022, 01:29:42 AM »

 If this is true, it's disturbing.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-stooges-may-nuke-us-183813392.html

what is tactical nuclear weapon?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuclear_weapon.
Russian Federation ~1150 ? tactical nuclear weapons

The United States retains a small inventory of perhaps 500 active tactical nuclear weapons. This includes an estimated 400 bombs
(including 200 in Europe) and 100 Tomahawk cruise missiles (all on land). Others, perhaps 700, are in inactive storage.

France
also has 60 tactical-range cruise missiles, including some on its aircraft carrier, although it calls them strategic weapons.
The United Kingdom has completely eliminated its tactical nuclear weapons, although it said until a couple of years ago that some of its strategic Trident missiles had a “sub-strategic” mission.

Information about possible Chinese tactical nuclear weapons is vague and contradictory, but might include some gravity bombs.

India, Pakistan, and Israel have some nuclear weapons that could be considered tactical
(gravity bombs for fighter-bombers and, in the case of India and Pakistan, short-range ballistic missiles), but all are normally considered strategic

https://fas.org/blogs/security/2009/03/russia-2/


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I was trying to find a source of information standing about recent communication between American military command and Russian forces.
Everything has changed about two weeks ago.

United States that was in fear to provoke Russians had made and delivered clear statement to Russians.
–if Russia uses tactical nuclear warheads America will do to.
Starting from that time, USA response into Russian demands is only making Western world delivery of more heavy weapons much faster.
https://news.stanford.edu/2022/04/20/u-s-must-can-prevent-russian-military-crossing-nuclear-threshold/

M270 Multiple Launch Rocket System is in Ukraine fighting now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M270_Multiple_Launch_Rocket_System

Ukraine attacking Russia using Multiple Launch Rocket System (M270) | Lockheed Martin


Wesley

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Re: Ukraine and Russia
« Reply #116 on: April 29, 2022, 02:09:53 AM »

what is tactical nuclear weapon?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuclear_weapon.
Russian Federation ~1150 ? tactical nuclear weapons

The United States retains a small inventory of perhaps 500 active tactical nuclear weapons. This includes an estimated 400 bombs
(including 200 in Europe) and 100 Tomahawk cruise missiles (all on land). Others, perhaps 700, are in inactive storage.

France
also has 60 tactical-range cruise missiles, including some on its aircraft carrier, although it calls them strategic weapons.
The United Kingdom has completely eliminated its tactical nuclear weapons, although it said until a couple of years ago that some of its strategic Trident missiles had a “sub-strategic” mission.

Information about possible Chinese tactical nuclear weapons is vague and contradictory, but might include some gravity bombs.

India, Pakistan, and Israel have some nuclear weapons that could be considered tactical
(gravity bombs for fighter-bombers and, in the case of India and Pakistan, short-range ballistic missiles), but all are normally considered strategic

https://fas.org/blogs/security/2009/03/russia-2/


_____________________________________________

I was trying to find a source of information standing about recent communication between American military command and Russian forces.
Everything has changed about two weeks ago.

United States that was in fear to provoke Russians had made and delivered clear statement to Russians.
–if Russia uses tactical nuclear warheads America will do to.
Starting from that time, USA response into Russian demands is only making Western world delivery of more heavy weapons much faster.
https://news.stanford.edu/2022/04/20/u-s-must-can-prevent-russian-military-crossing-nuclear-threshold/

M270 Multiple Launch Rocket System is in Ukraine fighting now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M270_Multiple_Launch_Rocket_System

Ukraine attacking Russia using Multiple Launch Rocket System (M270) | Lockheed Martin


Wesley


  Putin knows NATO can shoot down his nuclear weapons in Russia. Why he is unhappy with such weapons pointed at Russia.
This conventional war is what he can do. After that, were you hurt in a slip and fall accident in that store that we talked about?
I can help you.

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« Reply #117 on: April 29, 2022, 07:22:09 AM »
 And in other news, only the European Union and the U.S. can win this war. Both Ukraine and Russia have already lost it.
 
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. As I mentioned earlier, neither Russia nor the West thought Ukraine would defend itself.
Ukrainians are the cannon fodder and the losers in a proxy war between Russia and the West. Ever watch Star Trek? The
Chinese are the Ferengi.
 Still, everyone should know that Ukraine was screwed by competing socioeconomic forms of government. This has also
been mentioned in the media. Russia is not at war with Ukraine but the U.S. and Russia cannot fight each other because
of being nuclear countries. As a result, another country will suffer such as Ukraine is suffering. Why the West did not want it
to be a nuclear country. That reasoning allowed for this proxy war.
 Simply put, the U.S. and Russia have to be the Big Dogs. It might take direct confrontation which would leave China as the
lone survivor. And China is quiet. And they're winning.

Offline onepower

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Re: Ukraine and Russia
« Reply #118 on: April 29, 2022, 06:07:33 PM »
I thought this may be of interest to the FE community and relates to Fascism and Russia.

We see many promoting the notion that free energy is a scam under the guise that it's not real science, there is no proof and they know better. In fact what many call "fake news" has been attacking almost every aspect of democracy, science and technology. Here is a little insight into what's going on...

In psychology this would probably be called an appeal to authority, as a supposed authority, or authoritarianism. It's often promoted under the guise of an appeal to purity, ie. your science isn't real science only mine can be. It's often used as a tool to force conformity or yielding to a supposed authority.

Do these attributes sound familiar?...
    Conventionalism: conformity to the traditional societal norms and values of the middle class;
    Authoritarian submission: a passive notion towards adhering to conventional norms and values;
    Authoritarian aggression: punishing and condemning individuals who don’t adhere to conventional values;
    Religion and Ethics;
    Superstition
    Power and "toughness";
    Anti-intraception, i.e. "rejection of all inwardness, of the subjective, the imaginative, the tender-minded, and of self-criticism";
    Destructiveness and Cynicism: Generalized hostility, vilification of the human;
    Projectivity: The disposition to believe that wild and dangerous things go on in the world; the projection outwards of unconscious    emotional impulses; and
    : Exaggerated concern with sexual "goings-on."

These attributes are taken from here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-scale_(personality_test)
The F-scale relates to a persons beliefs towards Fascism.

In fact a recent study concluded almost every forum or social media space has been influenced by person(s) promoting Fascism through an often subtle appeal to conformity and authority.

Here is an interesting article...https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/who-s-drawn-to-fascism-postwar-study-of-authoritarianism-makes-a-comeback-1.6403074

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"I watched Trump come down and then I listened to the speech and I said: that was an authoritarian speech," he said. "I've never heard anything like that in America."
MacWilliams wondered if Trump were "activating" authoritarians in his party. To find out, he conducted a poll of Republican primary voters and found that those with authoritarian leanings were much more likely to prefer Trump. 
"Even when you put in education and other big, big variables that should soak up all of the predictability of the variable," said MacWilliams, "and it didn't for any other candidate. Ted Cruz, nope. Marco Rubio, nope. It was Donald Trump."

In essence, the goal of Fascism on social media is to brain wash large groups of people into believing everyone they disagree with has been brain washed and the enemy. Not a simple disagreement on some subject but an enemy who should not be tolerated. It's a clever form of reverse psychology with the goal of dividing society and producing chaos. It never ends well...

Regards
AC


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« Reply #119 on: April 30, 2022, 12:02:58 AM »
Another good read...
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/why-is-so-little-known-about-the-1930s-coup-attempt-against-fdr
Why Is So Little Known About the 1930s Coup Attempt Against FDR?

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Members included JP Morgan, Jr, Irénée du Pont, Robert Sterling Clark of the Singer sewing machine fortune, and the chief executives of General Motors, Birds Eye and General Foods.

The putsch called for him to lead a massive army of veterans – funded by $30m from Wall Street titans and with weapons supplied by Remington Arms – to march on Washington, oust Roosevelt and the entire line of succession, and establish a fascist dictatorship backed by a private army of 500,000 former soldiers.

Why would the wealthiest people want to overthrow the government and install a ruthless fascist government?.

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FDR thought government in a civilized society had an obligation to abolish poverty, reduce unemployment, and redistribute wealth. Roosevelt’s bold New Deal experiments inflamed the upper class, provoking a backlash from the nation’s most powerful bankers, industrialists and Wall Street brokers, who thought the policy was not only radical but revolutionary. Worried about losing their personal fortunes to runaway government spending, this fertile field of loathing led to the “traitor to his class” epithet for FDR.

Abolish poverty, reduce unemployment, and redistribute wealth?, Oh the humanity, there's little profit in that...

Regards
AC