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Author Topic: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world  (Read 146283 times)

Offline bistander

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1140 on: July 30, 2022, 03:00:40 PM »
I also have attempted to contact DNV, several times, a few months ago, with no success. I believe the verification claim and certificate they showed are false.
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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1141 on: July 30, 2022, 04:43:35 PM »
some explanation  of terminology used by rakarskiy
I hope it helps.


his OU is just the effect of magnetic amplification in "electrical steel."
All according to academic science.
All according to academic science OU device doesn't exist and that's why OU doesn't have any properties.

There are two fields (the field from the excitation flow and the field from the phase under load) that need to be connected.
I already know exactly why this requires a triangular excitation waveform. This is the difference between a transformer and a generator (AC) or similar (DС). But in any case, the main obstacle to holding the EMF signal shape and the excitation current is the non-linear inductance parameter of the excitation electromagnet coils.
so   are you  saying:
linear triangular signal is used for #1"excitation flow"
and
 #2 "field from the phase under load."
 please explain what you understand by #1 and #2
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triangular excitation waveform. is:
non-sinusoidal waveform named for its triangular shape.  It is a periodic, piecewise linear, continuous real function.
Like a square wave, the triangle wave contains only odd harmonics.  However, the higher harmonics roll off  much faster than in a square wave (proportional to the inverse square of the harmonic number as opposed to just the inverse.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_wave
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non-linear inductance is opposed to linear.
linear is air coil where inductance  is independent from current flow. the best explained here:
https://youtu.be/e26A3-V19Nw

 


The whole reason is to create a linear rate of change of flow from zero to maximum and from maximum to zero.
For any non-linear change in speed, the phase EMF graph will immediately respond, and not for the better.

So non-linearity is caused by (I assume " electrical steel") ferromagnetic conductive material core.( of a transformer)
Is that the DC  saturable offset   controlling AC   explained here? :
https://www.sunpower-uk.com/glossary/what-is-magnetic-amplifier/#:~:text=A%20magnetic%20amplifier%20is%20an%20electromagnetic%20device%20that,with%20two%20or%20more%20coils%20wound%20around%20it.




magnetic amplification in electrical steel.

Effect of magnetic amplification is very interesting and explained here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_amplifier
https://www.elprocus.com/magnetic-amplifiers-principles-and-applications/
20magnetic%20amplifier%20is%20an%20electromagnetic

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electrical steel.  is the descriptor used  by  Holcomb
- they have found a new energy source called “electrical steel” which (are you sitting down?) is made of iron with small traces of silicon, manganese & aluminium.  I suppose the key ingredient and what makes electrical steel special is the clever and carefully researched addition of the word “electrical” on the front of the word “steel”.https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holcombe-energy-systems-the-new-steorn/959192


Wesley
« Last Edit: July 30, 2022, 10:02:46 PM by stivep »

Offline listener192

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1142 on: July 30, 2022, 04:57:25 PM »
I also have attempted to contact DNV, several times, a few months ago, with no success. I believe the verification claim and certificate they showed are false.
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Here is the individual stated on the DNV certificate.



https://www.linkedin.com/in/chad-rektorik-b504069a?trk=people-guest_people_search-card


Regards  L192

Offline onepower

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1143 on: July 30, 2022, 05:16:49 PM »
Some notes of interest in the HES technical paper...

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Therefore the weak magnetic field generated by the power input creates powerful moving magnetic fields which are responsible for generating electric power.

This is in line with what many other inventors have claimed whereby the inputs weak magnetic field generates a more powerful magnetic field. However there is no requirement that the field(s) rotate and many past devices were linear such as the Cook Coil. Rotation is simply more convenient for timing and higher frequency operation.

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Therefore we get the magnification effect 250 times per second.

Many people misunderstand the power capacity of these devices which I touched on a while back. Each cycle produces X gain in the input versus output which is generally a set variable. Therefore the total energy output is based on how many cycles can be generated per second or Hz. As such a better designed device which could increase the cycles/second from 250Hz to 500Hz would generate twice the energy output.

This is important because it shows the gain mechanism is generally fixed while the energy output is not. More so the gain mechanism is generally set within a fixed set of variables/parameters and it is the frequency of operation as gain cycles per second which determines the output. Here we should understand the COP is different than the output capacity as the COP only relates to the efficiency of the gain mechanism.

In effect the COP is an artifact from non-free energy systems where the efficiency of the transformation determined the output. This is not true of these systems which could have a marginal COP like 1.2 but a high output capacity so long as the cycle rate is very high. Which leads to some confusion when we try to apply old conventions to new technology. Think of it this way, if the output feeds the input it's looped in a circle and a circle has no beginning or end. Thus there is no input vs output or COP only the rate of conversion in cycles per second or Hz. Better put, what is the efficiency of a free energy device generating energy with no external input?...

Regards
AC

 

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1144 on: July 30, 2022, 05:31:19 PM »
some explanation  of terminology used by rakarskiy
I hope it helps.

 All according to academic science OU device doesn't exist and that's why OU doesn't have any properties.
so   are you  saying:
linear triangular signal is used for #1"excitation flow"
and
 #2 "field from the phase under load."
 please explain what you understand by #1 and #2
 

So non-linearity is caused by (I assume " electrical steel") ferromagnetic conductive material core.( of a transformer)
Is that the DC  saturable offset   controlling AC   explained here? :
https://www.sunpower-uk.com/glossary/what-is-magnetic-amplifier/#:~:text=A%20magnetic%20amplifier%20is%20an%20electromagnetic%20device%20that,with%20two%20or%20more%20coils%20wound%20around%20it.




Effect of magnetic amplification is very interesting and explained here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_amplifier
https://www.elprocus.com/magnetic-amplifiers-principles-and-applications/
20magnetic%20amplifier%20is%20an%20electromagnetic


Wesley

Magnetic amplification in electrical steel (a simple chapter from a physics textbook): https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/magnetization-of-steel-magnetic.html

[Electrical steel, also called dynamo steel, transformer steel, silicon electrical steel - an alloy of iron, usually with silicon, sometimes alloyed with aluminum, the finished product is produced in the form of thin sheets with a thickness of 0.05 to 2 mm.]

EMF (E=BLV) depends on two factors: 1) the magnetic induction (B) penetrating the conductor (L), and 2) the rate of change (V) penetrating this conductor (L). This speed is not the same along the entire curve of the sinusoid, it is non-linear. The linear signal is the rectilinear component of a triangular pulse.

A magnetic amplifier is a switching device, before the advent of semiconductors, it was widely used to control power in AC circuits (especially in railway transport)

PS
A picture from my book off the cuff. Everything is checked and justified.

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1145 on: July 30, 2022, 06:21:01 PM »
Some notes of interest in the HES technical paper...

This is in line with what many other inventors have claimed whereby the inputs weak magnetic field generates a more powerful magnetic field. However there is no requirement that the field(s) rotate and many past devices were linear such as the Cook Coil. Rotation is simply more convenient for timing and higher frequency operation.

AC

Holcomb claims everything is true, I claim that it is exactly so!
Question: how does an ordinary coil work in a conventional coil generator? When you understand the questions will disappear by themselves!

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1146 on: July 30, 2022, 08:14:02 PM »

Here is the individual stated on the DNV certificate.



https://www.linkedin.com/in/chad-rektorik-b504069a?trk=people-guest_people_search-card


Regards  L192

Thanks L192,
Not being a member, I cannot see much about him, except:
CMC Surveyor

From Google;

"What is DNV certification?

DNV GL certification ensures the reliability of components and systems in the face of marine hazards. In the marine and offshore sector, this certification is a reference. Maritime actors recognize DNV GL certification as a guarantee that military and professional ships cannot escape."

CMC (certification of components and materials)

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Offline onepower

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1147 on: July 30, 2022, 08:25:02 PM »
Rakarskiy
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Holcomb claims everything is true, I claim that it is exactly so!
Question: how does an ordinary coil work in a conventional coil generator? When you understand the questions will disappear by themselves!

I agree and Holcombs claim seems more credible due to the points I outlined in my last post.
They understand the difference between COP, gain and the gain per cycle relating to the output.

Many other inventors making claims seldom go into sufficient detail and often end up contradicting themselves.
Not so of Holcomb and he only offers claims he seems willing to back up so this is good news.
From what was presented to date based on what I know I think Holcomb is the real deal. The only question which remains is ... can he pull this off and go mainstream?, I hope he does.

Regards
AC

Offline SolarLab

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1148 on: July 30, 2022, 09:37:40 PM »

Another Repeat of the Electrical Steel Magnetic Gain Function

B-H Loops are covered here in detail:

Chapter 2. Magnetic Materials and Their Characteristics from Transformer and Inductor Design Handbook

https://coefs.charlotte.edu/mnoras/files/2013/03/Transformer-and-Inductor-Design-Handbook_Chapter_2.pdf

Simplified LinGen Block Diagram with B-H charts, inexpensive Gauss/Tesla meter and other info in the pdf

https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg568976/#msg568976

Link to pdf mentioned in the post above with BH discussion, etc.:

https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/187868/

Starting to appear that the same lessons have to be repeated and presented every week! 

Alarming part is that its the same people every week that can't get it.
Really Boring and a Waste of Time repeating the same stuff week after week! 

SL

So, for those that can read for comprehension and figure simple stuff out, you've got everything you need... for
the rest - well, good luck!

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1149 on: July 30, 2022, 09:49:33 PM »
Thanks L192,
Not being a member, I cannot see much about him, except:
CMC Surveyor

From Google;

"What is DNV certification?

DNV GL certification ensures the reliability of components and systems in the face of marine hazards. In the marine and offshore sector, this certification is a reference. Maritime actors recognize DNV GL certification as a guarantee that military and professional ships cannot escape."

CMC (certification of components and materials)

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See link
https://www.dnv.com/services/requirements-for-generators-140538


I think this is to do with certifying the safety compliance of connecting a generator system to a grid.

Offline bistander

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1150 on: July 30, 2022, 10:14:05 PM »

See link
https://www.dnv.com/services/requirements-for-generators-140538

I think this is to do with certifying the safety compliance of connecting a generator system to a grid.

Thanks L192,
After reading that, I am further convinced the DNV document HES presented earlier was not legitimate.
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Offline stivep

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1151 on: July 30, 2022, 10:17:41 PM »
Holcomb claims everything is true, I claim that it is exactly so!

Question:
What the energy comes from.?
Please explain energy conversion process.
 in this format:
1. - initial energy form and its source.

2. - in few words describe process of conversion

3. - energy form at OUTPUT of the device.

4. -  please compare the initial energy used vs energy at output in units. 

Wesley

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1152 on: July 30, 2022, 10:38:50 PM »
Question:
What the energy comes from.?
Please explain energy conversion process.
 in this format:
1. - initial energy form and its source.

2. - in few words describe process of conversion

3. - energy form at OUTPUT of the device.

4. -  please compare the initial energy used vs energy at output in units. 

Wesley



https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569358/#msg569358






Offline stivep

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1153 on: July 31, 2022, 12:01:17 AM »
Solarlab this is not the answer to the questions and your response is not in format described in my comment.
I was not asking about materials and its characteristic.

Wesley

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1154 on: July 31, 2022, 12:36:58 AM »
Question:
What the energy comes from.?
Please explain energy conversion process.
 in this format:
1. - initial energy form and its source.

2. - in few words describe process of conversion

3. - energy form at OUTPUT of the device.

4. -  please compare the initial energy used vs energy at output in units. 

Wesley
go and ask the inventor and stop getting us to answer your questions. We’re building here