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Author Topic: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world  (Read 28408 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #435 on: May 07, 2022, 02:02:16 PM »
Solarlab did post some analysis work on HES (Holcomb Energy Systems)
At AllCanadian’s Topic below .
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98903;topicseen#msg98903

This type analysis Seems a worthwhile perspective towards understanding … other plausible routes towards harvesting Energy In a unique or new way !

And of course… SolarLab’s work is open source FE effort!


Solarlab
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By taking the time and effort required to validate this technique could prove very worthwhile in the end to, hopefully, more than just a few FE/CE “expert “ tinkerers!
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No stone left unturned…


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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #436 on: May 07, 2022, 03:18:24 PM »
Really, obvious things, it is necessary to prove?
Ask yourself how does a modern synchronous generator work, in which the windings are laid in closed slots? You will be surprised, but the Lorentz force does not work there, the reason for the EMF is magnetic induction, which changes with time.

A few theses from my book about such a system (I also calculate and design it), for the event "think with your brain"!
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A change in the magnetic flux penetrating a closed circuit can occur for two reasons:
• the magnetic flux changes due to the movement of the circuit or its parts in a magnetic field constant in time. This is the case when the conductors, and with them the "free charge carriers", move in a magnetic field;
• The second reason for the change in the magnetic flux penetrating the circuit is the change in time of the magnetic field when the circuit is stationary. In this case, the occurrence of the induction EMF can no longer be explained by the action of the Lorentz force. The phenomenon of electromagnetic induction in fixed conductors, which occurs when the surrounding magnetic field changes, is also described by the Faraday formula.

Thus, the phenomena of induction in moving and stationary conductors proceed in the same way, but the physical cause of the occurrence of the inductive current turns out to be different in these two cases:
• in the case of moving conductors, the EMF of induction is due to the Lorentz force (I wonder with what fright);
• in the case of fixed conductors, the EMF of induction is a consequence of the action on free charges of a vortex electric field that occurs when the magnetic field changes.

Explanations for the occurrence of induction current:
• Current in the circuit can exist when external forces act on free charges. The work of these forces in moving a single positive charge along a closed loop is equal to the EMF. This means that when the number of magnetic lines changes through the surface bounded by the contour, an EMF appears in it, which is called the EMF of induction.
Electrons in a stationary conductor can only be set in motion by an electric field. This electric field is generated by a time-varying magnetic field. It is called the vortex electric field. The concept of a vortex electric field was introduced into physics by the great English physicist J. Maxwell in 1861.

Never trust someone else's opinion, it can be erroneous or, even worse, obviously false. Check everything yourself, but for this you will have to study the subject that you want to evaluate.

Physics does not deny such a design! Physics gives a clear formulation on what principles such an installation can exist. Everything else is engineering.

Everyone, good personal discoveries, the knowledge that has already been discovered earlier!

My slide is about how the concepts in Figueira's patent have changed for public perception: a gap for laying a phase wire converted into a coil, with an external winding on the core, as a result, everything rests on the wall.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2022, 05:58:49 PM by rakarskiy »

Offline Ufopolitics

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #437 on: May 07, 2022, 06:55:16 PM »
You are wrong. I have, and others have, shown links and references showing a single constant magnitude flux field rotating in the air gap arising from 3-phase AC. All 3-phase induction motors, as well as other AC machines, use this. Every EE text book I've seen covers this theory and the lecturer covers it in class, as well as experiments required with electric machinery and power conversion labs.


I have never referred on my post that you've quoted above, to a "FLUX FIELD", but to a SINGULARLY ORIGINATED, MAIN MAGNETIC FIELD.

So, you are referring to the "end product" or the "result" from the sum of all individual fields which add up to configure a single flux field.

It should be very obvious to anyone "Skilled in the Arts"  ;D  that any given number of Magnetic Fields, generated by coils which are aligned in a circular-horizontally and spatially apart array, overlapped and then synchronized in a phase continuity, will ADD UP, SUM UP, to generate a "SINGLE, CONSTANT, FLUX FIELD" which simply follows that rotary pattern given, generated by a phase sequence, as simple as 1, 2 and 3...over time.

So please continue, but take note that you are a minority claiming polyphase AC can not produce a traveling flux field. You are flat out wrong.


Again Bistander, you are confusing a flux field generated by several coils aligned, and flashing alternated currents in a phase sequence, then summed up...with a single originated magnetic field, which is stationary, until I start driving it in a rotary fashion., by adding and substracting in an orderly sequential fashion.


Two Brushes are feeding a series-parallel circuit of coils, which generates a Singular Magnetic Field.


Apples versus Bananas Bistander...


And of course I will continue...get ready, if you are under stress medication, I highly recommend you do not miss a single dose... ;D ;D

In fact, would not the pulsing DC you feed to the coils actually constitute AC.
bi


It could...because coils keep reversing currents, however, have in mind these are groups of series-parallel coils, fed by a single (plus-minus) input...




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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #438 on: May 07, 2022, 07:08:44 PM »
@Rakarskiy


Clemente Figuera is a waste of time...I tried it in so many ways...all I observed was an increase in output amperage...but voltage kept being very low.


If you look again at the graphic you have posted last, see how much Figuera is investing on Inductors (exciters) to just a single coil sandwhiched in between.


This arrangement is not necesary, if he would have gone differently about his primary way to think about the way a generator works...insufficient thoughts.


Paraphrasing his thoughts:


Spanish original Language: "Si notamos como las espiras que generan el campo magnético de un generador funcionan, ellas se aproximan para luego alejarse..."


English: "If we notice how the coils that generate the magnetic field in a generator works, the magnetic field is approaching then leaving...approach, leave..."


This led him to reproduce that "effect"...which is not a fully rotational field...but simulates an approach (by increasing currents) and leaving (by decreasing currents), or "ramp up, ramp down"...and yes, obviously the field does that...but can not compare with a full rotary motion, which have the progression over time, plus the horizontally "passing by" of the magnetic field through the induced coils.


Figuera is simply about "amplifying" and "reducing" the Magnetic Field...if we look at what this effect does to the field spectrum, or the "imaginary lines of force" we could resume it is a very weak movement related to a translation analysis of the spectrum, like a full rotation would do.



Cheers



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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #439 on: May 07, 2022, 07:25:43 PM »
Ufopolitics, the problem is in modeling the design of the generator.

I gave an example with the calculation of the magnetic induction of a toroidal coil on a ferromagnetic ring in an air frame.

If this ring of ferromagnetic material is made with a notch, at least 1 mm, the magnetic induction index will sharply change downwards.

There are many different nuances, I hope to finish my material soon and it will become available to everyone.



 

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #440 on: May 07, 2022, 07:31:00 PM »
Ufopolitics, the problem is in modeling the design of the generator.

I gave an example with the calculation of the magnetic induction of a toroidal coil on a ferromagnetic ring in an air frame.

If this ring of ferromagnetic material is made with a notch, at least 1 mm, the magnetic induction index will sharply change downwards.

There are many different nuances, I hope to finish my material soon and it will become available to everyone.


Yeah, I agree...a Toroid would be the BEST way to make a Generator...of these type of systems.


But Figuera never used a Toroidal Geometry for his inducing/induced coils!!...there are all kind of speculations, but nothing on paper on the Original 1908 Patent graphics!!


The round "thing" is just where the small motor rotate a single positive brush, where resistors are mounted...that is it.


Some say they were inductors...however the case was...it is all about reducing and amplifying currents to the exciting coils.


In my view, it is a lot of waste in heat on the overall performance of this machine.




Cheers




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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #441 on: May 07, 2022, 07:44:10 PM »
Ufopolitics!
This is a drawing from Figuère's first patent.
I clarified a little, and the 1908 patent is more of a convention for designating a controller system

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #442 on: May 07, 2022, 08:08:52 PM »
Bistander
It's a little problematic because the supposed rules seem to contradict themselves.

Either magnetic fields always form closed loops or they do not. So if we claim many individual fields can form a single rotating field then we must explain how many singular closed loops can become one larger loop without breaking any single loop in the process.
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AC

Hello AC,
I see no problem or contradiction. If you search (as I did in Google) for rotating magnetic field animation, you'll find hundreds of visual aids. And I also came across this proof.
https://www.yourelectricalguide.com/2017/07/rotating-magnetic-field-in-three-phase-induction-motor.html
It reminds me of that which the professor demonstrated back in the days of chalk and slate boards. Member pix posted a great simple animation a while back, in this thread I think, but I can't locate. If he sees this, please link to it again. Below is an image which I pulled from a video showing how lines in individual conservative fields can sum to single conservative field. Perhaps you can expand on your noted contradiction problem with an example or reference.
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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #443 on: May 07, 2022, 09:02:51 PM »

I have never referred on my post that you've quoted above, to a "FLUX FIELD", but to a SINGULARLY ORIGINATED, MAIN MAGNETIC FIELD.
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Ufopolitics

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AC does not rotate a single, main field.
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Cheers

Ufopolitics

Ufo,
Above is your quote to which I responded. You said "main field". Is it not a flux field? Are you not denying that 3-phase AC applied to the stator winding in an induction motor produces a rotating single main field? Isn't it a flux field to which you refer?

Let's just drop it.
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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #444 on: May 07, 2022, 09:33:45 PM »
Ufo,
Above is your quote to which I responded. You said "main field". Is it not a flux field? Are you not denying that 3-phase AC applied to the stator winding in an induction motor produces a rotating single main field? Isn't it a flux field to which you refer?

Let's just drop it.
bi


Bistander,


I believe I have explained myself clearly about the difference, on my previous post.


It is not the same thing.


The results are NOT the same thing either.




But, yeah, you are right, let's drop it...






Ufopolitics


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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #445 on: May 07, 2022, 10:59:39 PM »
Bistander
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I see no problem or contradiction. If you search (as I did in Google) for rotating magnetic field animation, you'll find hundreds of visual aids. And I also came across this proof.
https://www.yourelectricalguide.com/2017/07/rotating-magnetic-field-in-three-phase-induction-motor.html

I agree and my mind was wondering off on another tangent again, it was also 2am...

I'm still working on the flowing magnetism problem and it's a real mind bender. The problem relates to a lack of true field rotation because the magnetic field is a property of space separate from the source. It can expand/contract from the source and move with it but not rotate with it.

I'm still trying to produce a true field rotation but I haven't quite put all the pieces together yet.

Regards
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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #446 on: May 08, 2022, 08:57:31 AM »
I found an interesting project, just on the topic of a static electric generator with a rotating electric field:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4qOE5XBbbk&t=12s 

Electronic control, movement of the poles of the magnetic field in the static core of the stator.
The placement of the outer and inner core with grooves is logically correct.
There is another core in the Holcomb system, the generator core is wound inside, between the switched magnetic circuits.

If you look at a rotor with two pairs of poles (four poles), you can see how the electromagnets should activate.

For the magnetic circuit: it must be remembered that the magnetic circuit (flux) can be folded and closed. In this case, Ohm's law for the magnetic circuit cannot be neglected.

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #447 on: May 08, 2022, 10:30:26 AM »
Ufopolitics!
This is a drawing from Figuère's first patent.
I clarified a little, and the 1908 patent is more of a convention for designating a controller system

I supplemented the drawing with a comparison of the Figuera generator of 1902, and the modern design of the four-pole generator design. But the electromagnets in the external and internal circuits must work synchronously.
Sincerely!

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #448 on: May 08, 2022, 11:50:17 AM »
Hi Rakarskiy

I read with interest what you said about the Holcomb technology. You linked it to Figuera's patent, which seems relevant, but very worrying since after more than a century we do not have any machine working according to Figuera's plan today. So won't we have any with Holcomb in 2122 either?

The problem with Holcomb is that in his patent, the energy is claimed to come from electron spin. So by talking about spin, Holcomb is relying on academic science to justify the extra energy produced.

If one considers the academic science incorrect, then the explanation by the spin does not make sense, and only the demonstration of the extra-energy by facts that everyone can observe and reproduce, is indispensable.

If we consider academic science correct, then :
- the imputation of extra-energy to electron spin is not valid since its mathematical formalism forbids the creation of energy in a closed system.
- or the imputation of extra-energy to the electron spin is valid but then the spin is only an intermediary capturing energy from elsewhere, so that Holcomb's explanation is incomplete and the real source of energy remains unknown
- or Holcomb ignores the source of the extra-energy, he just observes it, and he provides a bogus explanation in order to justify the extra-energy and make it credible for patentability and investors.

But what I see everywhere about Holcomb are digressions on magnetic fields and their couplings, based on the known rules of electromagnetism, which in no case can give rise to extra-energy.

As with all claims of overunity, there is a need to check the facts first. The problem with Holcomb's machine is that it is already an industrial machine, without proof of concept, i.e. without a simple setup based on the underlying principle involved in the phenomenon.
What would that principle be? What could be the elementary setup that would demonstrate it, even if it only produces a few mW?


I think this is the main interesting question. What is your analysis?

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #449 on: May 08, 2022, 04:00:07 PM »
Hello Again,

I have been researching Dr. Robert Holcomb's past activities and am finding it fascinating.
Not only has he had many patents but companies as well.
He has had legal battles over some of his patent rights which were battled out in court.
There are so many interesting twists and turns.
All of it would make a great motion picture that could be called

"The Life and Times of Dr. Robert Holcomb"

There are always two side of any story and that is why his life would make such a great story.
It is a great story whether these current inventions are a scam or for real.
It would be great if the story ending up in the air where you do not know the true answer
at the end of the movie.

Even though Dr. Robert Holcomb has had such an interesting life.  I have not seen any evidence
that his inventions in the past or present are a scam.  But that is just my opinion.

If someone knows someone in Hollywood, please get in contact with them.

Think of it this way,  Hollywood is a fast way to let the world to know what is going on in the OU
community.  By the time the movie came out,  we would already know if these current inventions are valid or not.

Either way,  his life is what Hollywood was made for.

Lunkster