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Author Topic: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world  (Read 121878 times)

Offline Cadman

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #450 on: May 08, 2022, 04:00:22 PM »
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I'm still working on the flowing magnetism problem and it's a real mind bender. The problem relates to a lack of true field rotation because the magnetic field is a property of space separate from the source. It can expand/contract from the source and move with it but not rotate with it.

I'm still trying to produce a true field rotation but I haven't quite put all the pieces together yet.

Regards
AC

There you have put your finger on the issue with the Figuera generator. Years ago when several of us, including Ufo, built different versions of it I came to the same conclusion. The field needs to actually move in space, not just expand and contract with varying coil intensities. I built a DC variac to eliminate the resistors but that didn’t make much difference either. It generated some current but not enough. It was still just expanding and contracting coil fields like a transformer.

I gotta hand it to Ufo, I think he has the right approach in this respect. He is actually rotating the field of an armature. Yes it’s still being done by increasing, decreasing, and changing polarity of the armature coils, but what ends up rotating is the field from the -iron- in the armature. That magnetic field never dies, it’s pulled around the armature by the coil fields, actually rotating, not just changing vectors.

That's my 2 cents anyway.

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Cadman


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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #451 on: May 08, 2022, 06:54:50 PM »
Holcomb states in WO2010079422A9, that his cogeneration device may use switched DC, or three phase AC on its rotor coils.


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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #452 on: May 08, 2022, 07:25:53 PM »





Hello All,


I have been testing an AC Blower Motor Stator (as is, OEM windings) with my newer 20 tooth, 16 coils rotary field armature...


The rotary Field works beautiful, however the induction motor stator wiring sucks...like Rakarsky said before..."A good Motor will make a bad Generator...and so on...a good Generator will be a bad motor..."


This windings are not suitable for generating right, too small gauge, so, higher resistance...plus it is not wound as a Generator is...


Unfortunately, my Generators Stators are greater in diameter than the armature is...


I get much higher voltage at output than input, but lower amps...this is too fine wire on stator, like 28 or 30 gauge, max is like 20 one winding.


The behavior of the Rotating Field is excellent, having in mind all the related spec's when driving these fields this way.


1- The higher the RPM's of the Field, the lower the Input Amperage goes...and viceversa
2- The running voltage of the field (Input) should always be greater than the amperage, in an average like 60V to 1.0+ Amp...




I will have to remove all windings off Stator Motor and rewind it with 14-16 gauge, plus the way it is wound for generators...


I will be posting detailed info about all this on my Thread:


Energy Generation by Moving the Virtual Field




Cheers






Ufopolitics

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #453 on: May 08, 2022, 08:34:04 PM »
Ufopolitics, the winding of the generator must be calculated. Everything is calculable, you need initial data. We take one turn in the generator winding and determine the optimal EMF. Then you need to calculate the phase of the generator, the number of turns and the cross section, but this has its own characteristics. Read my material about Ampere power, there are examples of how I calculated the generator. The problem of many, they do not know how the current strength is formed in the network. Sometimes qualified electrical engineers cannot answer the simple question of how the generator EMF differs from the mains voltage under load connected to the generator.

You are very close to the goal, it remains to deal a little with the generator winding and the rules for its calculation. You need to calculate according to the maximum allowable load. Not as much as you want, but as much as you can take.

https://rakarskiy-narod-ru.translate.goog/publ/free_energy_systems/rezultirujushhaja_sila_ampera/3-1-0-146?_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #454 on: May 08, 2022, 09:54:54 PM »
@Rakarskiy,


Ufopolitics, The winding of the generator must be calculated. Everything is calculable, you need initial data. We take one turn in the generator winding and determine the optimal EMF. Then you need to calculate the phase of the generator, the number of turns and the cross section, but this has its own characteristics. Read my material about Ampere power, there are examples of how I calculated the generator. The problem of many, they do not know how the current strength is formed in the network. Sometimes qualified electrical engineers cannot answer the simple question of how the generator EMF differs from the mains voltage under load connected to the generator.

You are very close to the goal, it remains to deal a little with the generator winding and the rules for its calculation.

https://rakarskiy-narod-ru.translate.goog/publ/free_energy_systems/rezultirujushhaja_sila_ampera/3-1-0-146?_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp


Thanks, I know, Rakarskiy,


However, I have already wound some generators as existing number of turns or by wire length calculation...


I just want to "prove a concept"...I have already proven part on the small universal motor assembly from the RYOBY Tool...but not enough.


I know, as I am so freaking sure it will work!!


Calculations for winding from scratch a generator is whenever you need specific power output, or specific voltages and amperages...I am not being "picky" at this time, since it is just for a testing demo.


Rotating the Field at a normal speed, as being able to "see" the rotation strength while using the correct spec's related to V & A is already done...


I have a spanish friend on YouTube that have also being doing this testings, not successfully, because he is overkilling the drivers...too much power to drive just the brushes...we do NOT need that much...


However, He is using steel bars inserted in between stator-armature, because rotor is smaller than stator...and it works...so, I will be doing same thing on a 900 Watts Generator Stator I have...just to observe output.




Thanks for your counseling!!




Regards




Ufopolitics


EDIT: I had issues with internet...but I already started taking apart the piece of sht stator...LOL...What does not work...it needs to be replaced with the correct winding, shape form and right gauge...see image ;D

Offline onepower

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #455 on: May 09, 2022, 01:41:25 AM »
It's also important to note that to my knowledge no credible FE device ever used lap windings as is found in almost all motor/generators today.

In this respect the devil is always in the details and most fail to produce the desired result because they have not reproduced the concept and layout claimed by the inventor. This is what many inventors claim to be "the spirit" of the invention relating to the effects, procedure and physical geometry/layout.

This may help, in any given patent I do not look for what is common to other technologies but what is different. How does the details and explanation of the device in question deviate from common practice?. Understand that we often have a picture in our head, a natural bias, based on our own experience which betrays us at every turn. We want to believe we understand what's going on but in fact we don't. Thus our premise should always relate to seeking new understanding and learning. Something new to us...

"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." ― Mark Twain

As we can see from the Holcomb patents and countless others which came before it there may be groups of coils but they are generally always switched sequentially, independently for a very good reason. My first experience with an experiment gone terribly wrong, but in a good way, was when I tried to explode the Hubbard patent. Not literally explode it but geometrically, I reduced the circular form of primary/secondary coils into a linear series of transformations similar to what Holcomb claims. In fact it still works and it doesn't need to be circular in form so long as the concept/process remains. In this respect I seem to keep proving myself wrong for reasons even I cannot understand, ergo learning something new.

So it seems to me many are barking up the wrong tree. 

If anyone is going to bother trying to replicate anything then it must be in the spirit of the invention. So when someone diverges from the intent, procedure, sequence, layout and geometry of the claim it will generally always fall short. It's never easy, nothing worth doing ever is so it's worth making an effort to do it right.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a complete screw up but as they say ... every dog has it's day.

Regards
AC




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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #456 on: May 09, 2022, 08:38:44 AM »
one power,
 I want to note that you need to master the principle, and not blindly repeat the design from the patent. Dr. Holcomb dealt with magnetic fields in medicine. Devices in medicine generate fields within 1.5 Tesla. By the way, a static generator is easy to calculate. The whole problem is still in hardware solutions without complex software bindings. Vyge I gave a link to the guy who built a similar design. He neglected the main Ohm's Law for magnetic circuits, and engineering techniques for designing generators. Notice not motors, but generators. I can say with confidence that this is a big gap for many to correctly calculate the generator circuit.

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #457 on: May 09, 2022, 09:30:03 AM »
The problem relates to a lack of true field rotation because the magnetic field is a property of space separate from the source.
Therefore, we will never create it?  True rotating magnetic field?
There were guys ten years ago who experimented with the Marco Rodin's coil.
They clearly stated that there was an OU.
There, too, it seems there was a rotating toroidal field?
I made such a coil, for me it did not show any differences from a conventional inductor. :'(
True, the geometry was poorly observed there.

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #458 on: May 09, 2022, 02:43:42 PM »
It's also important to note that to my knowledge no credible FE device ever used lap windings as is found in almost all motor/generators today.

Yes, you are very right AC...

The overlapping or lap winding is used to "save room", or to fit more wires per square area (referring to motors) and for generator coils it is overlapped to reach a higher number of conductors to be induced by the rotary sweeping inductor area.

Actually, did you ALL know that the only wires that are Induced on any Two Part Rotary Generator, even the stationary rotor type, we are working on...
that only the Vertical wires are Induced?!

Yes, and I am referring to the Vertical wires in ALL Coils on the Stator, the ones parallel to the shaft, whether a real shaft or an imaginary one?

All the Horizontal, or diametrical wires in the coils are just there serving as "connectors"...but no induction is generated?

This fact sets all these machines, automatically, at 50% Induction Efficiency!!

Now, it is impossible to build a machine (from the mechanical Engineering point) where the Induction coils or Exciter circuit, travels within a "fully closed tunnel" where all the Induced coils are wound...a completely closed tunnel...where the Stator Output Coils would be on the outside...

How can you rotate "physically" an inner set of coils and their steel cores, that could travel within another hollow, but fully closed structure?

However, that would be the "perfect generator", a 100% efficient from the Induction percentage area calculation point of view...

The only way that this type of generator could be conceived, is by rotating a Virtual Magnetic Field, not physically, not including its coils and cores...

And the only "Geometry" which can give Us such characteristics is a Toroid...

And then, we would not need to do "lap windings", or overlap the coils, none of them...just to be continuously set, one after the other...in a full closed circular arrangement...


Can You guys "imagine" that?


And then, set it to work in your minds?


Regards


Ufopolitics

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #459 on: May 09, 2022, 04:55:31 PM »
I was asked a question in a personal, I think my answer and comparison will be very interesting.

Holcomb has a patent for a solid state electromagnetic rotor for power generation.
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/7d/d1/d7/018fe4892a4d9e/US20190238011A1.pdf
Photo of the founders and the basis of the invention of the solid-state rotor.
https://holcombenergysystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Robert-and-Ellen.jpg


Listening to tales of spinning electrons is for media losers.

Take a conventional synchronous mechanical generator with electromagnetic excitation. Consider only the input excitation power and also the output power of a generator phase, such as a car. The maximum costs for excitation of the rotor electromagnet are: 5 Amperes * 12 Volts = 60 watts. Maximum phase power 1.5 kW. It remains only to solve the problem of a solid-state electromagnet that simulates the rotation of the field from the electromagnet. Let's say all this will take us 200 watts of power. The result of the COP will be 1.5/0.2=7.5. What is the conversion ratio without taking into account the mechanical force in a traditional generator, you can calculate yourself.
I hope I explained clearly. What is the magnetic permeability of electrical steel, and how it enhances the magnetic field, I gave an example in one of my posts in this thread.  https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg566511/#msg566511

The magnetic circuit, it is in its correct calculation that the secret of the entire project lies.

Sincerely yours, Rakarsky

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #460 on: May 09, 2022, 10:16:44 PM »
@Solarlab

why don´t you convert your Simulation output pics to MP4 Video files and post them on Youtube ?

For longer and looped display you could put several sequences in a loop and just add them to the MP4 Video file.

Then you can store all your magnet simulation files as animation on Youtube.
No need to go the GIF animation method which always needs bigger File size...and is hard to store
in a forum...

There are freeware software packages out there that lets you convert from GIF or JPEG pictures to MPEG4 Video files
which Youtube accepts.

Hope this helps. Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2022, 06:32:37 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #461 on: May 10, 2022, 04:06:09 PM »
“Solarlab” Has not been posting here ,
However I believe that may change..?
Or his work will find a path to interested parties here
And elsewhere!

Regardless,

At another topic this technology to assist in research is being shared


Solarlab
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The analysis is being done using Ansys, Comsol, JMag and CST. As mentioned, and shown, CST is easiest since "Excitations" can be added at the "LT-Transient" phase without resorting to a "Circuit" layout to sequence the pole coil/windings.
End quote


As mentioned prior in this thread ,
additional HES discussion is here,
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98927;topicseen#msg98927
(Above topic hosted by AllCanadian)


Goal is to figure a hosting method which will benefit all who wish to observe and explore this
Technology being shared by Solarlab !( **tech has huge hosting load on a forum venue ..
Looking for solutions!!)




And Solarlab is doing very specific analysis on Holcomb Energy Systems and has zero extra time
For managing a forum topic / discussion!
(Trying to figure a solution to assist him and benefit all !

Respectfully
Chet K
« Last Edit: May 10, 2022, 07:08:11 PM by ramset »

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #462 on: May 11, 2022, 10:45:18 AM »
if the coil is moved past the magnet along one coordinate.
And at this time, the magnet is moved past the coil along a different, orthogonal coordinate.
We will no longer have a two-dimensional interaction, but a three-dimensional one.
Has anyone used this?  Might will be something interesting...
Just thoughts.

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #463 on: May 11, 2022, 06:43:58 PM »
Suggested Upgrades for Holcomb motor systems:

Current system design deficiencies:
The physical design is for generators that are in motion.  This creates a lot of limitations for the motor.
1.)   The two stators have different dimensions due to the different circumference they are designed in.
2.)   The inner stator electromagnets have more interaction with the adjacent electromagnets due to the confined area they are built into.
3.)   The distance between the rotor and stator assemblies are not adjustable but fixed between each other.
4.)   It is hard to measure parameters in different locations between the rotor and stator assembly due to the physical construction of the generator.
5.)   It is harder to perform maintenance or make changes to the rotor or inner stator assembly on this design.

Upgrade physical design of the stator and rotor assemblies:
3 Disk assembly:  Disk 1 stator 1, Disk 2 rotor, Disk 3 stator 2
1.)   Both stators have the option of being designed with the same physical configuration.
2.)   The interaction between inner stator components can be reduced with the disk configuration.
3.)   The distance between the rotor and each stator assembly is easily adjusted using disk assembly construction.
4.)   It is much easier to place probes into place between the stator and rotor assemblies.
5.)   It is much easier to perform maintenance or make modifications on a disk motor design.

Addressing the power and control system of the Holcomb energy system.
The computer control system has so many more options than the mechanical options shown so far.  Here is the reason why.
. It is important to be able to adjust the duty cycle along with the power cycle of the power to each coil.  This will make a big difference to the efficiency of the generator performance.
.When you look at efficiency curve of the core material being used in the motor.  It is important to operate the generator within the best operational portion of the curve.  I believe that by keeping all the stator coils with a small current in them to keep them at the lower best part of the curve as the off point is something to try.  Then with the coil needs to be switched ON, then the switching would raise that current level of the coil so that the core reaches its best gain portion of the curve could be had.
The other power timing that Holcomb has already called out should be used first for the testing of the prototype.

When I was talking about keeping in the range of the core efficiency and gain I was thinking about a core that does not flip its polarity during the operation of the generator.
Since a generator operates on changing flux in order to generate electrical energy, we do not have to flip the polarity in the core in order to do this. 
Instead of having to alternate between 4 north poles and 4 south poles for the 16 coils in each stator, we can alternate between low strength north poles to high strength north poles.  What this does is to keep the core from flipping polarity.
Now the low strength polarity could be done by the self-induced magnetism that would already exist in the core, or if we needed more strength in the core to be in the best part of the curve for the low north pole setting then we could either apply a small current to the power stator coil, or we could have a small or a few small week permanent magnets built into the cores used in the generator to give us that bias.
The changing strength of the stator coils would create a changing magnetic flux through the rotor coils in order to produce the electrical energy from the generator.  This would be done without the flipping magnetic polarity in the cores of the generator.
After watching the video on the crystallin structure flipping in the core material, I thought that this new approach may be what Dr. Robert Holcomb was talking about in his videos.
I have a question;  would switching the power to and from the stator coils at the power line instead of the return line reduce the back-EMF in the coils?

Jay Lunke  Known as Lunkster
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