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Author Topic: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world  (Read 249069 times)

Offline kolbacict

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #2190 on: March 13, 2023, 05:53:22 PM »

Most importantly, I seem to have found that only a virtual rotating field can be induced in the ring around the stator. And nothing but that. All other ring will be ignored.

After careful thought, I came to the conclusion that I may have been wrong about this. :(
To neutralize the direct transformer effect of the primary and secondary windings, they must be arranged other. And, perhaps one winding is not enough. we need several. I will think about it.
For now, another experiment.  Secondary 22 turns. The voltage on the secondary winding has already risen to half a volt peak-peak.


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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #2191 on: March 15, 2023, 05:45:20 AM »
Is your outrunner core wound like this one?

What RPM is the field spinning at?

Actually a little surprised you got much voltage to measure at all.
More turns of enamel wire certainly would boost the voltage some.
If you can get at least a couple of volts out of it, checking the
amperage would be useful information.
Could you showed circuit like that having an even number of poles.
For instance twelve.
I think how to place windings along the perimeter of the ring, to the total induced in they induction from the stator is zero.
By the way, there were projects here, someone laid out with windings around the perimeter of the ring. Too bad I didn't really get into it then.

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #2192 on: March 15, 2023, 06:13:18 AM »
Could you showed circuit like that having an even number of poles.
For instance twelve.

With three-phase input, you need a number divisible by 3.  So yes,
12 would work, so would 15, 18, 21 and so on.

I think how to place windings along the perimeter of the ring, to the total induced in they induction from the stator is zero.

I think a partial secret to Holcomb is different from what you are
doing.  You do not want to have your output coils interfere with
the flux path produced by the exciter coils, otherwise you have
a simple transformer.  Instead, your output coils need only be
near the flux path; they capture energy from the transitions
when the exciter coils switch to the new position.  They only
need to be exposed to the change in flux.  When you do it this
way, the Lenz reaction from a load on your output coils cannot
interfere with what the exciter coils are doing.

Offline SolarLab

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #2193 on: March 16, 2023, 04:45:29 AM »

Probably - TIME FOR A LITTLE REVIEW of some fundamentals

The first 20 minutes or so are mandatory, the rest is still quite interesting.

"The Amazing World of Electromagnetics (revised)" 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrTriTMZEnk

Professor Raymon C. Rumpf
I was challenged with introducing all of electromagnetics in one hour to students just out of high school and entering college.
This video is my attempt at this.  Electromagnetics is a very mathematically intense discipline involving vector calculus, differential
equations and other things that make this challenging.  Here I have tried to explain everything visually with no math.  I do present
some equations, but only to satisfy students curiosity about what the equations may look like.  I hope you enjoy the video and get
something out of it.  I also hope it helps recruit more students into the area of electromagnetics and optics.  The video was fun to
create!

Worth the watch - especially the first 20 minutes!

SL


Offline kolbacict

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #2194 on: March 16, 2023, 09:03:48 AM »
If there is something that rotate around stator which is having three phase current.
That something is rotating in air around stator poles. It is virtual rotating magnetic field.
Therefore, if you put an iron bandage on the stator, will this field move even more comfortably?

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #2195 on: March 17, 2023, 12:20:00 AM »
Off-topic but still relates to OU - Educational.

The car is powered only by the wind. There is no motor or batteries of any kind.
But, the car moves faster than the wind (Power = Force x Velocity).

"Risking My Life To Settle A Physics Debate" [a little "over the top - but thats Hollywood!]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyQwgBAaBag&t=529s

"A Physics Prof Bet Me $10,000 I'm Wrong" [more in-depth discussion, etc.]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCsgoLc_fzI

Also - A.K.A. "How to make some easy money with your OU Invention" (irony, of course; but look Who paid Who?)  :)

Thanks goes out to Marrithonman @
https://figueramarathonman.boards.net/thread/7/1908-mechanical-general-discussion?page=24

SL

PS - Just another "Saturday afternoon with the Kids"


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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #2196 on: March 17, 2023, 09:15:15 AM »
With three-phase input, you need a number divisible by 3.  So yes,
12 would work, so would 15, 18, 21 and so on.

This is all true.
But an even number of windings 2,4,6 is easier to compensate, one in phase in series with the second in antiphase. Like a bifilar. But I don't know what to do with three windings.
I do not know yet. I keep thinking about how to do it.

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #2197 on: March 18, 2023, 01:48:37 AM »
But an even number of windings 2,4,6 is easier to compensate, one in phase in series with the second in antiphase. Like a bifilar. But I don't know what to do with three windings.
I do not know yet. I keep thinking about how to do it.

Use a factor divisible by both 2 and 3, like 12, 18, 24, ...

Also consider what rakarskiy was trying to promote with the slots.
There is something interesting going on there.  When we place
a bundle of wire (output coil) in a slot, the magnetic field it
produces when put under load has to go someplace, but if
wherever it goes does not significantly disrupt the magnetic
fields produced by the exciter windings, we have an opportunity
for power gain.

We have to look at this device in terms of magnetic flux paths.
You have paths for the exciter coils and paths for the output
coils.  These paths can cross through each other, but should
not collide with each other.

From what I can see with the Holcomb device, the output coils
are positioned identically to how they would be found in a typical
generator stator, but the exciter windings are positioned totally
different, even though the effect they would have on an actual
spinning rotor is nearly the same.  Remember, the exciter windings
are there to replace a spinning rotor, to replace the magnetic
fields that would be produced by a spinning rotor under torque.

You are trying to use three phase input to replicate a spinning rotor,
but the output need not be three phase also.  It can be two phase,
four phase or whatever.  Look at the flux paths and see where the
transitions happen and have your output coils catch the change in
flux across these transitions.

I wish I had a fancy machine shop and plenty of time and material
to crank out one or more of these units to test with.  If I had that,
I could show you real hardware and take measurements.  I'm
commenting here based on concepts I "think" may have some
importance.  What the raw fundamental principal is for the HES,
we may never know and it is still a possibility it cannot physically
be put into hardware without exotic materials.  I'd like to think
Holcomb is correct in his claims, but until I do it myself and convince
myself, all I can do is make suggestions based on what I think.

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #2198 on: March 18, 2023, 10:11:24 AM »
I tried to draw magnetic fluxes and windings in your drawing, but it's too difficult.
Let's simplify the design by reducing everything to one pole per phase.
It seems that my winding in a circle should cancel the EMF induced from the phase spike N, but double the movement of the field in a circle, if any.

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #2199 on: March 18, 2023, 11:15:09 AM »
I'm cutting 33 laminates out of 1.6 steel by hand. Not as good as silicone steel 0.4mm but better than a lump of iron hopefully.

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #2200 on: March 18, 2023, 11:46:17 AM »
I tried to draw magnetic fluxes and windings in your drawing, but it's too difficult.
Let's simplify the design by reducing everything to one pole per phase.
It seems that my winding in a circle should cancel the EMF induced from the phase spike N, but double the movement of the field in a circle, if any.

Follow the flux, pole to opposite pole, shortest route with fewest
restrictions.

The image below is a concept lamination.  Top image is start,
bottom image after one transition of the fields.  Rotation is
clockwise.  Orange wire bundle for one output coil set in what
is probably too large of slots.

Red - south pole
Blue - north pole

Since you have a printer, walk this through for a complete
four-step cycle and trace around where the flux lines would
likely go.  I think what you will discover is any flux generated
by the output coil doesn't directly interfere with the flux paths
produced by the exciter coils, they always have an alternate
path.

Also note, the maximum output voltage will be at the point of
maximum change in flux, which is when we transition.

Once you have good comprehension of how this is supposed
to work, then try scratching something out on paper for three
phase and see what you can come up with.  If you need more
poles to make things balance out, add them.

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #2201 on: March 18, 2023, 11:48:03 AM »
I'm cutting 33 laminates out of 1.6 steel by hand. Not as good as silicone steel 0.4mm but better than a lump of iron hopefully.

Chet!

We need to get Jimboot a plasma cutter or at least a chop saw.

Be careful partner.  Fingers don't grow back all that well.

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #2202 on: March 18, 2023, 06:01:25 PM »
Chet!

We need to get Jimboot a plasma cutter or at least a chop saw.

Be careful partner.  Fingers don't grow back all that well.


Dog-One
He has a nice layout to follow
However.. I agree that’s a bear of a job with hand held grinder !
They can definitely bite ( I have too many wounds from such !;(
I agree we should have a mechanism to help with resources ,tools etc etc
And that’s actually on the menu for discussion at this forum ( how to make that happen)


Respectfully
Chet K

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #2203 on: March 18, 2023, 09:51:55 PM »
Chet!

We need to get Jimboot a plasma cutter or at least a chop saw.

Be careful partner.  Fingers don't grow back all that well.
hahaha, thanks mate. That was just for the first couple of cuts so I could fit it on the chop saw.

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #2204 on: March 19, 2023, 03:30:34 AM »
ALso depending how this goes I will also try using a magnetic compound powder as SL has suggested and rather than sinter it, I think I'll mix with epoxy and pour into a 3d printed mold. This should hopefully reduce a lot of eddy current issues.