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Author Topic: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world  (Read 146578 times)

Offline onepower

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1110 on: July 28, 2022, 12:16:54 AM »
Solarlab
I guess the obvious question is if all the FE inventors of the last 100 years didn't use or need CAE tools to succeed  then why do we?. In fact many FE inventors had working technology well before the transistor and electronics were even invented.

We should also be clear you have as much demonstrable technology as anyone here which is none to my knowledge. Do you have anything other than speculation about your simulators, any tangible proof or working technology?.

In any case if Holcomb invented this technology with better theory and hands on experiments then so can the people here. At least we have proof Holcombs methodology works...he has working technology.

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AC

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1111 on: July 28, 2022, 01:29:03 AM »
Solarlab
I guess the obvious question is if all the FE inventors of the last 100 years didn't use or need CAE tools to succeed  then why do we?. In fact many FE inventors had working technology well before the transistor and electronics were even invented.

We should also be clear you have as much demonstrable technology as anyone here which is none to my knowledge. Do you have anything other than speculation about your simulators, any tangible proof or working technology?.

In any case if Holcomb invented this technology with better theory and hands on experiments then so can the people here. At least we have proof Holcombs methodology works...he has working technology.

Regards
AC

You don't need CAE, or any other tools for that matter - Tesla only had the tools he, himself,
created; for the most part anyway. Another 10 years of expensive "coiling" complex systems may be no big deal.


Having demonstrated a "proof-of-concept" for one version of Holcomb's techniques might be meaningless;
you would obviously know, more than anyone - but it may not be meaningless, as well.


Purchasing Holcomb's industrial scale devices certainly requires no knowledge of it's operation; a small wait
and a few bucks - that's it.

The point is, being proficient and fluent in using engineering aids (EM CAE) is not a "Cardinal Sin" and neither is
applying it to analyze FE technology. Also, sharing every little discovery is certainly not mandatory given the current
environment as well as the current attitude of some.

So, all the silly push-back and trolling regarding any attempt to understanding technology using whatever means
that is available seems pretty stupid and, well quite childish, wouldn't you say...

I and others full well know this board has been the sole Kingdom of a few Rulers who envision themselves as the Global
Authority on all things FE, but from the prospective of many of us peaons, we might not have another 10+ years
to wait until these self appointed Gurus decide when we will be allowed to persue our own development!

So we will move forward in our own way... [we're way past the standard trolling and other stuff, believe me].


SL


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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1112 on: July 28, 2022, 01:41:56 AM »
You don't need CAE, or any other tools for that matter - Tesla only had the tools he, himself,
created; for the most part anyway. Another 10 years of expensive "coiling" complex systems may be no big deal.


Having demonstrated a "proof-of-concept" for one version of Holcomb's techniques might be meaningless;
you would obviously know, more than anyone - but it may not be meaningless, as well.


Purchasing Holcomb's industrial scale devices certainly requires no knowledge of it's operation; a small wait
and a few bucks - that's it.

The point is, being proficient and fluent in using engineering aids (EM CAE) is not a "Cardinal Sin" and neither is
applying it to analyze FE technology. Also, sharing every little discovery is certainly not mandatory given the current
environment as well as the current attitude of some.

So, all the silly push-back and trolling regarding any attempt to understanding technology using whatever means
that is available seems pretty stupid and, well quite childish, wouldn't you say...

I and others full well know this board has been the sole Kingdom of a few Rulers who envision themselves as the Global
Authority on all things FE, but from the prospective of many of us peaons, we might not have another 10+ years
to wait until these self appointed Gurus decide when we will be allowed to persue our own development!

So we will move forward in our own way... [we're way past the standard trolling and other stuff, believe me].


SL
Hear hear.

Offline SolarLab

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1113 on: July 28, 2022, 01:57:16 AM »

Jimboot,

A request, if I dare:

The next time you chat with Holcomb could you please ask him about what he means, exactly,
when he says "taking eight ( 8 ) to ten ( 10 ) strands in hand." [probably not the exact quote]

Assuming he means that he winds a number of turns with 8 to 10 strands of wire together - but I hate to
assume anything!

Thanks (off site so I won't be getting down there for a while)

SL


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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1114 on: July 28, 2022, 01:59:16 AM »
Sure love to, do you have a reference? Patent or video?

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1115 on: July 28, 2022, 02:01:52 AM »

Don't remember the source off hand - will search - later.

Thanks


Offline bistander

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1116 on: July 28, 2022, 06:28:12 AM »
Motor rewind shop talk.
"In Hand"


https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/51058/what-is-two-in-hand-coil-winding-how-does-it-affect-the-inductor

"Two in hand" means you have 2 wires in parallel when you wind. This doesn't necessarily mean they are wound at the same time in parallel, it could just mean as you say above that they are connected at both ends after they wind. This is very often done to aid in manufacturing so that they can wind with a lower gauge wire. If 18 gauge wire is too big for your manufacturing processes, you can go to 21 gauge wire, two in hand. I've seen low voltage motors that are wound 3 in hand and 4 in hand. The inductance and resistance aren't significantly affected. Yes, you would use the same number of turns."

Quote above was answer to question found on web link, Stackexchange.

Using parallel strands in place of large diameter copper wire improves slot fill factor, facilitates smaller radius bends at coil end-turns, reduces skin effect. The practice is common in OEM as well as rewindings. But the term "in hand" seems to be peculiar to rewind shops, to my knowledge.
bi


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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1117 on: July 28, 2022, 07:24:38 PM »
Motor rewind shop talk.
"In Hand"


https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/51058/what-is-two-in-hand-coil-winding-how-does-it-affect-the-inductor

"Two in hand" means you have 2 wires in parallel when you wind. This doesn't necessarily mean they are wound at the same time in parallel, it could just mean as you say above that they are connected at both ends after they wind. This is very often done to aid in manufacturing so that they can wind with a lower gauge wire. If 18 gauge wire is too big for your manufacturing processes, you can go to 21 gauge wire, two in hand. I've seen low voltage motors that are wound 3 in hand and 4 in hand. The inductance and resistance aren't significantly affected. Yes, you would use the same number of turns."

Quote above was answer to question found on web link, Stackexchange.

Using parallel strands in place of large diameter copper wire improves slot fill factor, facilitates smaller radius bends at coil end-turns, reduces skin effect. The practice is common in OEM as well as rewindings. But the term "in hand" seems to be peculiar to rewind shops, to my knowledge.
bi

bistander,
Thanks - very helpful.


Have a good one!

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1118 on: July 28, 2022, 07:36:03 PM »

It sure would have helped a lot if the “Ansys electronics desktop student”
had been able to make the transient calculations. 



https://courses.ansys.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/MAXW_GS_2020R2_EN_WS03.2.pdf

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1119 on: July 29, 2022, 04:44:26 AM »
Bistander
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"Two in hand" means you have 2 wires in parallel when you wind. This doesn't necessarily mean they are wound at the same time in parallel, it could just mean as you say above that they are connected at both ends after they wind. This is very often done to aid in manufacturing so that they can wind with a lower gauge wire. If 18 gauge wire is too big for your manufacturing processes, you can go to 21 gauge wire, two in hand. I've seen low voltage motors that are wound 3 in hand and 4 in hand. The inductance and resistance aren't significantly affected. Yes, you would use the same number of turns."

It makes sense because the magnetic field produced by a coil is dictated solely by the ampere-turns rule and the core material. Normally no other consideration is given to any other phenomena which is a defect of the standard methodology.

For example, the field curl about every conductor is presumed to couple with the one next to it producing a larger field around the sum of conductors. This is how the ampere-turns rule was created presuming the current through all the conductors is constant as well as the number of turns. It works so long as these conditions are met and when there not obviously it cannot work.

Think of the laws and rules of electrodynamics like a business contract. What is stipulated in the contract is all that matters and anything else outside that context is simply speculation. The contract or rule means what was claimed and nothing more otherwise anyone could interpret it to mean anything.

For example, the ampere-turns in a coil will change if...
1)The conductor length or number or turns changes.
2)The current is not uniform which ultimately relates to the electron density/velocity/emission within any said conductor.
3)An external force acts on the conduction electron in a non-uniform way producing a non-uniform current.

So we could refine the ampere-turn rule to encompass more unknown variables by simply stating that the number of conduction electrons per unit length actually acting through a given length define the field strength within that length. Any other claim is simply speculation because as Faraday implied we cannot know the countless ways in which the conduction electrons could act. For example, if X electrons moved Y length at Z velocity then 20% of the electrons were radiated from said conductor then obviously they cannot be included as conduction electrons from the point of emission forward. Thus we can only apply the rules where they apply within the context they imply otherwise were not actually following the rules...

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AC


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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1120 on: July 29, 2022, 05:27:23 AM »
AC,
I think Ampere's Law (with Maxwell's correction) has your concerns covered.
My feeling is that folks often take *ampere turn* too literally without a grasp on Ampere's Law actual meaning.
But let's keep on topic, or 'in hand'.
bi

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1121 on: July 29, 2022, 05:41:16 AM »
AC,
I think Ampere's Law (with Maxwell's correction) has your concerns covered.
My feeling is that folks often take *ampere turn* too literally without a grasp on Ampere's Law actual meaning.
But let's keep on topic, or 'in hand'.
bi

Oh, this is already the right direction "Ampere's Law"! Or rather, the creation of an electromagnetic force, which certainly has a magnetic induction parameter in its module.


https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/p/ampere-force.html

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1122 on: July 29, 2022, 01:53:06 PM »
Here is my  current today device.
The field rotates, three phases 200 Hz.
At the inner anchor, the power is very small.
the incandescent lamp does not light up. The LED lights up.
The gap between the stator and the rotor is too large than I wanted.

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1123 on: July 29, 2022, 03:08:36 PM »
Hello kolbacict,
Please show us how the coils are wired, both inner and outer cores. And also, are you able to excite the primary coils to or near the rating for the wire gauge?
Thanks,
bi

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1124 on: July 29, 2022, 04:53:25 PM »
bistander
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I think Ampere's Law (with Maxwell's correction) has your concerns covered.
My feeling is that folks often take *ampere turn* too literally without a grasp on Ampere's Law actual meaning.
But let's keep on topic, or 'in hand'.

I think my post was on topic because it concerns the process in the Holcomb device.

Amperes Law does not recognize a non-uniform current which can produce non-perpendicular field lines and traveling magnetic fields within any given current loops. This is where the laws most presume to understand start breaking down producing a different result.

As well many have become so preoccupied with textbook theory they forgot how to think and solve problems. For example, we can have a single current loop where one side of the loop has more current flowing in it than the other side. For many this is inconceivable and they cannot imagine how this is even possible but it is. By the same reasoning we could also have many parallel conductors in hand with a common termination having different currents.

This phenomena should sound familiar because a similar process occurs in shaded pole devices. Shading, meaning to impair/change some part of the movement of a magnetic field change by using a shading coil to periodically oppose said movement. The alter ego of this process is implied above whereby the current in one part of a conductor can change with respect to another part of the same conductor.

I get it, it sounds impossible but impossible is relative to our understanding. More impossible than what, a free energy device?. 1000 years ago almost everything we know today was considered impossible so again it's relative...

Regards
AC