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Author Topic: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world  (Read 200162 times)

Offline Ufopolitics

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1065 on: July 21, 2022, 04:26:07 PM »
Hello,

Since the Holcomb generators use a traveling magnetic flux wave,
can a hybrid configuration of PMs and (EMs or coils) be used in the design?
Would the usage of PMs along with the (EMs or coils) be more efficient
than a design without PMs in it?

Would not a configuration of PMs and Active EMs produce a functional PM magnet?

The drawing is just a crude first thought of what it might look like.
I am sure there would be better designs.

Lunkster

Permanent Magnets, fixed to this structure, alternated between the transitional coils plain and simple, will NOT WORK!!

Permanent Magnets fixed here all would do is ANCHOR the moving field, get it stock...period.

Comprende?

The only way a PM will work on these systems...is, IF the PM is also physically moving along with the virtual rotational field...but then, we will fall on the same exact "game" we all have been playing on, for the past 200 plus years.
Unless we use it the same way a Rotational Generator do, just to get it started (enhanced magnetic reminiscence)...and then PM will just needs to be one or two weak and small neo magnets...not any bunch of PM's!!


Ufopolitics
« Last Edit: July 21, 2022, 06:52:23 PM by Ufopolitics »

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1066 on: July 21, 2022, 05:17:57 PM »
I am just considering issues that are considered to be unshakable, but you are at an impasse with them. I refine them and add details that the design specifically missed.

For example, there are other views with which I also partly agree!

https://www.veritasium.com/videos/2021/11/19/the-big-misconception-about-electricity


By the way, the force of magnetic attraction cannot possibly be the Lorentz force. If you look at it, this is the derivative of the Ampere force in reverse order. All magnetism is compared with electromagnetism. Yes, they have an interaction, but this dadeko is not the same. Just answer the question why does a permanent magnet have an active field, without an external source? Science has no answer to this question, for that the answer is in another, the magnetic field is more primary than the electric one.

PS If you look at Holcomb's designs, he did not reveal the secret of electromagnetic induction, he imitated a mechanical generator. Figuer's secret is not revealed by Holcomb.

Sincerely.

It appears the author of this video [The misconception is that electrons carry potential energy around a complete conducting loop, transferring their energy to the load] has not studied electromagnetics from DC through Daylight. So, my view is rather than waste time debunking this sort of stuff, you are better to spend your time learning what is already known.

By that, I mean, at low frequencies you can neglect skin effect and the Displacement Current Link between the Voltage and Current. Each can be treated and analyzed seperately with no real ill effects on the answer.

This is often refered to as "Lumped Element" design - descrete resistors, capacitors, inductors, point-to-point wiring, etc.

 As frequency increases the apparent electron flow within the wire tends to move the electrons further towards the conductor's outter edge and beyond. Displacement current becomes more and more a part of the picture. This is where the voltage and current become linked through displacement currents (you've all seen the EM wave propagaation cartoons). Thats when/how electromagnetic waves become Radio Waves that can propagate through air.

This is often refered to as "Distributed Circuit" design where the circuit board traces (conductors) become an integral part of the design along with antenna design, wave guides, etc..

However even at low frequencies the phase relationship between voltage and current is important as seen, for example, in real and apparent power. Lots of other examples as well but that's a four year course plus phd stuff.

Note that the "structures physical size" also plays a critical part in the analysis approach (the wavelength (highest operating frequency/harmonics vs structure size). For example, a 1000 mile telephone line or undersea cable versus a millimeter wave interconnect trace. They both require similar methods of design. A general rule of thumb is to consider any structure over a 10th to about a 16th of a wavelength could be considered distributed for analysis purposes.

Maxwell's equations tend to adequately describe the entire electromagnetic spectrum and, importantly, do not consider a time component therefore the equations are "conservation of energy" agnostic - they do not care about over unity, and as such, are ideal when analyzing a device like Holcombs.

You put a signal in, it goes around and does a few things, and something comes out. The interactions within the device can get pretty wild and wonderful and chances are you would not be able to do an analytical solution in one or two lifetimes. But, luckily a computer and a numerical algorithm (usually in matrix form) can provide great insight in a matter of hours (or days for a complex circuit).

There might be some better theories than Maxwell's equations and better tools than EM CAE but I'm not familiar with them, plus, my old knowledge and tool set seems to still give correct answers, so - if it works, don't fix it!

We have designed and built many devices using our current knowledge already; new ideas and theories are always welcome but only if they have some value added!


SL


Edit: added a note about structure physical size versus wavelength.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2022, 03:48:07 AM by SolarLab »

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1067 on: July 22, 2022, 10:38:57 AM »
The inductance of one of the phases of this stator was measured.
The inductance was measured with a stator wrapped around the
circumference with a permalloy tape, and without a tape.
With the tape, the inductance was 850 uH. No tape 250 uH.
The measurement was made with a parallel capacitor 0.22uF.
The frequencies were approximately 11 and 21 kHz. So I was right. :)


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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1068 on: July 22, 2022, 06:39:43 PM »
SL, You won't believe it, the calculation principle of the electromagnetic design does not change, the approach to tasks changes, based on additions, missed moments, in the theory of electromagnetic induction. Therefore, the concept of Lenz's rule does not apply to magnetic forces, but only to the action vectors of electric and magnetic fields.

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1069 on: July 22, 2022, 08:44:40 PM »
Rakarskiy
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SL, You won't believe it, the calculation principle of the electromagnetic design does not change, the approach to tasks changes, based on additions, missed moments, in the theory of electromagnetic induction. Therefore, the concept of Lenz's rule does not apply to magnetic forces, but only to the action vectors of electric and magnetic fields.

Indeed, we cannot generalize and lump everything together using conventional concepts...

Lenz Law does not apply to one magnetic field acting on or inducing another magnetic field unless an induced current is present. That's the limitation of Lenz Law and it only applies to Electro-Magnetic fields. Ergo Lenz Law cannot apply to a purely magnetic motor which uses switched/displaced field phenomena with no coils or conduction currents.

Lenz Law is very specific and applies to an induced current producing a magnetic field which opposes the magnetic field which induced it, no more no less.

Here is where most make mistakes...https://byjus.com/physics/lenzs-law/
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Named after Emil Lenz, Lenz’s law depends on the principle of conservation of energy and Newton’s third law. It is the most convenient method to determine the direction of the induced current. It states that the direction of an induced current is always such as to oppose the change in the circuit or the magnetic field that produces it.

Many make this mistake and it's called a false cause fallacy. Lenz Law does not "depend on the principle of conservation of energy and Newton’s third law" that's absurd. Lenz Law tends to agree with the COE and support the concept. I agree with the COE just not the backwards way most use it. As we can see many put the cart before the horse which relates to false cause.

The author then goes on to confuse the matter even more...
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Lenz’s law is based on the law of conservation of energy. From the definition of Lenz’s law, we know that the induced current is always opposed by the cause that produces it. Therefore, there is extra work done against the opposing force.

Again we see false cause and Lenz’s law is not based on the COE it supports the concept. They then go on to confuse the issue further by claiming "the induced current is always opposed by the cause that produces it" which is false. The induced current is only opposed by the cause if said cause is a changing magnetic field.

So we can see how many start adding there own assumptions and false cause to the equation. In fact, I have found a few instances where a current can be induced in a conductor and it has little or no effect on the phenomena which induced it. Obviously it wasn't a changing magnetic field otherwise Lenz Law would apply and that's not what we want...

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AC





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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1070 on: July 22, 2022, 10:16:45 PM »
Rakarskiy
Indeed, we cannot generalize and lump everything together using conventional concepts...

Lenz Law does not apply to one magnetic field acting on or inducing another magnetic field unless an induced current is present. That's the limitation of Lenz Law and it only applies to Electro-Magnetic fields. Ergo Lenz Law cannot apply to a purely magnetic motor which uses switched/displaced field phenomena with no coils or conduction currents.

Lenz Law is very specific and applies to an induced current producing a magnetic field which opposes the magnetic field which induced it, no more no less.

Here is where most make mistakes...https://byjus.com/physics/lenzs-law/
Many make this mistake and it's called a false cause fallacy. Lenz Law does not "depend on the principle of conservation of energy and Newton’s third law" that's absurd. Lenz Law tends to agree with the COE and support the concept. I agree with the COE just not the backwards way most use it. As we can see many put the cart before the horse which relates to false cause.

The author then goes on to confuse the matter even more...
Again we see false cause and Lenz’s law is not based on the COE it supports the concept. They then go on to confuse the issue further by claiming "the induced current is always opposed by the cause that produces it" which is false. The induced current is only opposed by the cause if said cause is a changing magnetic field.

So we can see how many start adding there own assumptions and false cause to the equation. In fact, I have found a few instances where a current can be induced in a conductor and it has little or no effect on the phenomena which induced it. Obviously it wasn't a changing magnetic field otherwise Lenz Law would apply and that's not what we want...

Regards
AC

An interesting approach of transfusion from empty to empty.
Faraday's law (describes the relationship between fields when they interact) or Lenz's law (describes how these fields interact).
There is only one question: where is the detailed mechanism of the interaction of causes and effects?

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« Reply #1071 on: July 23, 2022, 12:37:00 AM »
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An interesting approach of transfusion from empty to empty.
Faraday's law (describes the relationship between fields when they interact) or Lenz's law (describes how these fields interact).
There is only one question: where is the detailed mechanism of the interaction of causes and effects?

There can be no true detail relating to cause and effect because the translation is discontinuous. Supposedly A acts on B through a space which it cannot logically act through because there is no mechanism to support said translation. Ergo, a wave cannot act through a distance without a wave carrier otherwise it cannot be a wave by definition. We can label said translation as a "field" however this is obviously problematic when nobody has any idea what said field is. Ergo, labeling something in no way implies understanding...

It also begs the question what Faraday actually said and it's consequences. In my opinion Faraday's laws are inseparable from Lenz Laws as they imply the same logic and outcome. Faraday basically said this is how induction works then Lenz said this is a consequence of what Faraday said. Then as a further consequence everyone believed nobody could be intelligent enough to work around what they said...obviously they were wrong.

That's the kicker isn't it?, many suppose nobody could be more intelligent than they are yet there always proven wrong. In fact, the exponential growth of knowledge proves many 20 years from now will be magnitudes more intelligent than we are... such is life.

Regards
AC

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1072 on: July 23, 2022, 12:51:45 AM »
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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1073 on: July 23, 2022, 11:43:40 AM »
Rakarskiy
There can be no true detail relating to cause and effect because the translation is discontinuous. Supposedly A acts on B through a space which it cannot logically act through because there is no mechanism to support said translation. Ergo, a wave cannot act through a distance without a wave carrier otherwise it cannot be a wave by definition. We can label said translation as a "field" however this is obviously problematic when nobody has any idea what said field is. Ergo, labeling something in no way implies understanding...

It also begs the question what Faraday actually said and it's consequences. In my opinion Faraday's laws are inseparable from Lenz Laws as they imply the same logic and outcome. Faraday basically said this is how induction works then Lenz said this is a consequence of what Faraday said. Then as a further consequence everyone believed nobody could be intelligent enough to work around what they said...obviously they were wrong.

That's the kicker isn't it?, many suppose nobody could be more intelligent than they are yet there always proven wrong. In fact, the exponential growth of knowledge proves many 20 years from now will be magnitudes more intelligent than we are... such is life.

Regards
AC

It's all philosophy! You can philosophize when you know for sure.
Philosophy for an engineer is like the fifth leg of a mare. An engineer needs accurate data and methods.
Therefore, if there is no precise step-by-step understanding of the processes of electromagnetic induction, the result will always be philosophical.
Have you performed at least one complete engineering calculation of a synchronous generator according to existing methods?
 

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1074 on: July 23, 2022, 07:05:23 PM »
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It's all philosophy! You can philosophize when you know for sure.
Philosophy for an engineer is like the fifth leg of a mare. An engineer needs accurate data and methods.

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Philosophy; The study of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning.

As a fellow Engineer it sounds a lot like engineering doesn't it?. The important part many seem to have overlooked is logical reasoning. So while engineering may be about data/methods philosophy is about having the insight to understand what data/methods apply and what doesn't. It allows us to separate the wheat from the chaff and make progress.

As we know all the greatest engineers, scientists, inventors followed multiple disciplines which may be why they found success. As such I find it very strange why anyone would limit themselves in any way. As they say, we should listen to the people who found success not those who wish they had. In this respect the only real expert here would appear to be Holcomb...

Regards
AC





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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1075 on: July 23, 2022, 08:31:30 PM »

FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT STILL BE INTERESTED IN MOVING AHEAD

Throwing around theoretical bits and pieces, although interesting, won't get you from "A" to "B" any
time soon and the need for "B" is rapidly approaching. One method of getting to "B" is suggested below.


  Ansys Electrinics Desktop Student (free software download)

https://www.ansys.com/academic/students/ansys-electronics-desktop-student

(Built-in license valid until 07/31/23) 
Includes Maxwell 3D and Circuit (all you need to look into LinGen)
Product Restrictions (student version):
    Mesh element count limit:
        HFSS, Maxwell, Q3D Extractor: 3D volume: 64,000 elements, 3D surface: 8,000 elements, 2D: 2,000 triangles
    [keep your 3D layout simple - see block diagram posts - should be enough elements - will check later]
        Icepak: 512K elements
    HFSS: SBR+, hybrid and mesh assembly solves not supported [not needed]
    No geometry export [not needed]
    Geometry Import for DXF and STEP formats only
    Integration with Ansys Workbench not supported [not needed]
    Beta features not supported [not needed]
    Local solve only (remote configuration not supported) [not needed]
    Academic terms of use


Download and install - look around the software (menues, etc); also have a look at the on-line
"Getting Started" lessons, in particular "Transient Solvers"
https://courses.ansys.com/index.php/courses/ansys-maxwell-getting-started/lessons/transient-solvers-in-ansys-maxwell-lesson-3/

Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be "context built-in Help function" but there is a good, searchable, "Help.pdf"
found in the |Help| menu. Page 97 of the pdf is where the Maxwell HELP starts [note the "Process Flow" topics].

This (free - top of the line)  EM CAE software is too comprehensive to cover here but it is definately worth your while
to spend a little time fooling with it and learning in detail. A day, or maybe two, of hard-learning curve - then the payback!

You will also find that your understanding of the complicated inter-twined theory will start to fall into place nicely as you
move through, and analyze, your design!

Lots of on-line resources and peer help as well.
Will see if a simple LinGen file can be created and posted for your added "enjoyment!"

And SAVE all the "It's stupid" and "It doesn't work" and "all Engineers who use this CAE stuff are brain dead" COMMENTS.
If you don't want to try it, for what ever reason, then don't, and just move on quietly...


SL



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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1076 on: July 23, 2022, 09:00:35 PM »

Ansys AEDT video resources
There are quite a few on-line video tutorials available regarding "AEDT - Ansoft Electronics Desk Top."

Search the Ansys site as well as the various open source video platforms. As an example list:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGfupEFC34BNIqKlCGUKwEA
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBJX2JwvsI45r0P27uMUbFw
https://www.youtube.com/user/ANSYSHowToVideos
https://www.youtube.com/user/ansysinc


Of particular interest are the "WPT - Wireless Power Transfer" related ones since the "LinGen" shares much technical commonality with the WPT concepts.

A wealth of information is available for the asking - so don't be afraid to make use of it.

 
SL


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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1077 on: July 23, 2022, 09:04:33 PM »
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Engineering Philosophy 101

« Last Edit: July 24, 2022, 01:02:14 AM by SolarLab »

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1078 on: July 23, 2022, 09:35:28 PM »
At one time, Maxwell died unrecognized. Talented graduate student Hertz, received a task from the venerable physicist Helmholtz to refute Maxwell. He set up experiments exactly according to Maxwell's equations, and it turned out that he was completely right. The equations accurately described the laws of electromagnetism obtained by Faraday.

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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
« Reply #1079 on: July 24, 2022, 04:31:01 AM »
“Solarlab” Has not been posting here ,
However I believe that may change..?

additional HES discussion is here,
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98927;topicseen#msg98927
(Above topic hosted by AllCanadian)
Solarlab is doing very specific analysis on Holcomb Energy Systems
Chet K
Yes it is interesting to watch Solarlab evolution  during these few years.
and indeed  it  is progressively noticeable.

Wesley