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Author Topic: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs  (Read 17447 times)

Offline synchro1

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2022, 12:21:08 AM »
Buzzard! Toroid core permeability is a critical part of the Orbo coil.

Offline captainpecan

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2022, 06:12:24 AM »

Thanks for the heads up Floor.

Buzzard! Toroid core permeability is a critical part of the Orbo coil.


He is just letting me know if the subject strays to far from original thread, how to reign it in. He knows I asked to keep the thread here so it can be moderated. You responded perfectly to the conversation we drifted to... as we drifted off subject, lol... but I don't mind on this one as long as it doesn't go completely orbo, lol. And the change in the toroid when the magnets are one to it does fit with my project as well. I'm learning as I go.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #47 on: February 07, 2022, 07:17:54 AM »
The point there is turning off the toroidal core .I don't think it will matter but I'm using a common 1 1/2 iron pipe and going for turn off .its like 4 inch's long .if successful I'll start using it on different iron structures. Once done playing around I'll take it apart to find out the wire length then rewind it to bifiler .if this works ...very long toroidal cores as pipes can be used . I'm doing both but I'm inclined to the toroidal turn off because so little energy is used .that Prof of concept and prof of over unity in the video with the led bank if looped could supply lights for anyone all the time .and charge a supper cap at night for a radio etc. Or a super cap flash light .I'm just trying to make them much bigger.all I see is tinny motors with low power .but over unity. If it works I could put neos on a child's marry go round and run it faster and faster .with out anymore energy than just turning it on and off . I wish he had used super brute LEDs they really light things up.

Offline captainpecan

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #48 on: February 10, 2022, 12:26:55 AM »
A little bit of an update. I have my new power supply but it is a bit confusing programming. I have pushed more power to the coils to test them, but the amp draw is not linear like it should be as I increase voltage. I've got a setting wrong or something. This power supply has features built in for charging lithium batteries amd stuff and I think I missed something trying to use it as just a simple power supply. For instance, at 18v is pushing 400ma, so is 19v, 20v, them at 21v it jumps to 450ma and 22v 500ma. So I think I've got a setting wrong somewhere. So I'm not ready to post numbers yet because something is wierd and i hasn't figured it out yet.


But... I am seeing something that is different than I expected. I expected for some reason, I would find a voltage that the internal permanent magnet field would all be released at once and there would be a sizable change in gauss for that voltage. But I am still not seeing that. It continues to be a steady increasing field for each voltage increase. I held a like pole magnet in front of the coil as I pulsed it, and I am still seeing a significant push compared to electromagnet alone. It seems to me like the permanent magnet is simply multiplying the field from the electromagnet and not just releasing all at once. Again, not a bad result, just unexpected to me. I'll know more soon.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #49 on: February 10, 2022, 03:46:51 AM »
It's not letting me post the link, but here is the power supply I ordered. It is 800w and up to 120v dc. Not bad for $35 on Amazon. Unfortunitely I haven't figured out all the settings yet.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2022, 05:07:47 PM »
There is a short manual here, have you read it? under Product guides and documents  https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/B1E36nhld0S.pdf 

down towards the bottom of this page   https://www.amazon.com/Converter-DROK-12V-120V-Adjustable-Regulator/dp/B098SVD2B8/ref=sr_1_15       


Offline captainpecan

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2022, 08:04:51 PM »
Yeah, that came with it. I have it all set but it is still a little wierd on the current draw. Its not like it isnt working, just not like a straight power supply would. I missed something in the settings I'm sure. I've been out of town for work since I first tried. I'll look it back over again when I get home.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2022, 03:09:56 AM »
Captain pecan
This might be a little off topic .well I don't know how to help you but I was considering using different size caps to find the right voltage / joule for a clean pulse release .the power source would be secondary just charging the cap and it being ready to fire on command .if you were to set the power source to the needed voltage / amps then run that to a cap of the right size the quirky ness of the power source might be midigated.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2022, 03:31:21 AM »
I really hate to say this but I've found aother path to over unity and has greater potential for energy and less trouble and more immediate power and less time to build and off the self parts .it comes in two sections and both inhance each other . first is a variant on the Flynn motor its a reciprocal motion going to a circular motion a wheel just like the old steam engines 😱. That uses a old large transformer cut down and unwound then rewound .then the side steel lamanets go in and out as the magnets switch so you get power each way .it gives you the 1 to 4 power return as rotation .the the second half is a standard generator wheel with neos like 6 neos or more the difference here is slightly smaller neos on the rim that are in repulsion mode the match the power neos on the wheel .this is called magnet neutralization and it seems neos are good for this as they last a long time under these condition not easy to demagnetized . the numbers are amazing and not small power either. Start with say 100 watts into the Flynn then 400 watts of rotational  power out then that going into the modified generator .the generator get a 2/3ds increase in power when running in the video he says it takes 400 watts in to run it and he gets 1,044 out !! So starting with a 100 watts your putting out 1,000 watts !.each has merits but together 1 to 10 ??. And not to hard to make .this could make a huge difference in my life .air-conditioning cooking lighting full batteries with out the sun . and mostly off the shelf .please forgive me I'm weak .😂

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2022, 04:04:27 AM »
hi ,do you have a link to the video ?

Offline captainpecan

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2022, 08:37:37 AM »
@Jimbo,
About the capacitor idea, yeah it's really not a quirky supply. It pushes solid power. Just steps up the current different than I would like doing voltage step up tests. And I was actually kicking around that idea anyway once I have a running motor.

As for the other. Not exactly sure what device you are referring to right off the bat. But I say make a thread and build it! If it's a scam, you will find out!  If it is real, you will find that out as well. There are a lot of claims out there. But I have found if I don't build, I bounce through mental gymnastics of what if scenarios and never get anything accomplished or really learn much. Thump the dust off the power tools and get busy! Would love to follow your work!

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2022, 08:45:55 AM »
I'd rather do some bench testing to get my own numbers first this running allover the place isn't getting things done and I'm hampered by the cold and land locked .but I did like that reciprocal Flynn set up seriously simple . .I'll see if I'm in better mood tomorrow.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #57 on: February 11, 2022, 08:48:16 AM »
I just like the cap dump its a good way to control and quantify the energy and it pluses push better .

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #58 on: February 11, 2022, 08:59:43 AM »
I just like the cap dump its a good way to control and quantify the energy and it pluses push better .
Oh I agree. What I have had envisioned to try when I started this project was to do what you are thinking, and dump the back spike from the coils into it as well to immediately run back into the coils woth next pulse.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2022, 09:13:08 AM »
@floor,
I do need to do a bit of house keeping in here. But I guess I'm not sure how to do it. I don't have the permissions to delete anything, so I thought maybe I would just copy into you dust bin but I can't seem to post there. So I guess I really don't know how to do it after all. Can you give some tips please. Thank you.