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Author Topic: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs  (Read 19190 times)

Offline seychelles

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #135 on: April 12, 2022, 12:51:15 PM »
I MEANT THIS BELOW.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #136 on: April 12, 2022, 12:59:37 PM »
PLUS COIL WINDING MONKEY CRAZY IDEA. COIL WITHIN COIL.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #137 on: April 12, 2022, 03:33:59 PM »
I MEANT THIS BELOW.
Yeah, I was considering wrapping the magnet with 1mm sheet when I was looking for the right size bushings. I found these to try, and have just not tried the other yet. About the way you suggest winding it. I have been kicking around some ideas to try in the future. Some ideas have been flowing between floodrod and I on his post as well. Haven't tried these yet. I'm trying to wrap my mind around the best ones to test because each is a special wind. I may consider the 1mm wrap with ferrite magnets like your earlier suggestion to be able to use way less wire to test each coil and maybe easier see changes. I do have a scope to see minute changes although I need more experience  with it. Keep thinking through what tests you would be interested in seeing. I will try and work on some soon to learn more about this.
Quick question though. So I understand the thinking behind the winding you suggest here. It looks like a simple bifilar wind. Same direction. Both wires perfectly in parallel. What are you looking to test here? Interaction of the flux of the two wires, or simply same amount of turns but less resistance to allow more current to flow? If that's what you are suggesting, its a great idea because I can easily flip the windings to series to draw less current and add resistance for simple testing of the circuit. Am I on the right track with the thinking?

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #138 on: April 12, 2022, 05:00:01 PM »
FLUX LINE COMPRESSION. STRONGER ELECTROMAGNETISM. MONKEY
REASONING.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #139 on: April 12, 2022, 05:08:01 PM »
TESTING THE ELECTROMAGNET YOU DO NOT NEED AN
OSCILLOSCOPE. BUT A CHEAP ELECTRONIC SCALE.
PLUS THE STUFF THAT MONKEYS DO NOT HAVE IMAGINATION.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #140 on: April 12, 2022, 09:11:55 PM »
TESTING THE ELECTROMAGNET YOU DO NOT NEED AN
OSCILLOSCOPE. BUT A CHEAP ELECTRONIC SCALE.
PLUS THE STUFF THAT MONKEYS DO NOT HAVE IMAGINATION.


Yup, I've got a couple different scales. That's how I figured that for my setup 11 degrees before TDC is the distance for the most strongest pull on the rotor in attraction mode. I've been doing all kind of pull tests as I go.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #141 on: April 13, 2022, 09:35:33 AM »
Does anyone have any tips on making these rotors more true? What I mean, is that every rotor I seem to make, no matter how careful I am, there is always a certain degree of wobble. I have my bearings as perfect as possible, and my flywheel is turning true, but my 2 new rotors I cut have a wobble? Its close enough to be just fine for what I am testing, but without having a machine shop, what are you guys doing? I have made a jig saw jig to cut circles out of wood. Worked well, but had a bit of wobble. I used a hole saw for the next set with wood again. Still have a slight wobble. Using a drill press did not make a difference. This time I ordered pvc board and cut my rotors out using a hole saw. They have a little wobble. When I glued stuff to a grinding disc, it ran perfectly true. But a little pressure and that stuff rips off easily because the grinding disc just sort of separates. I will be fine with this build, and I will probably just order some rotors machined if I plan on a final design next so I can get the magnet gaps minimal. But it's just frustrating with normal tools, I just cant seem to get it right. I see many out there made using lexan or whatever clear material so you can see through it all, but that is a pretty expensive material to work with just to get done and still end up with rotors that are not true again. I am about to try and modify a circular saw blade. Having the metal backing is not bad for this particular motor design, but I wanted the ability to switch thing up more as well as sandwiching another layer of coils so I can use both sides of the center rotor magnets. Any tips?

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #142 on: April 13, 2022, 12:50:44 PM »
WHICH ONE CARRIES THE MOST ENERGY?

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #143 on: April 13, 2022, 12:53:28 PM »
CAPTAIN GET OUT OF THIS MOVING MAGNET WAY OF THINKING THINK OF NO MOVING PARTS
TECHNOLOGIES. THE HIGHER THE FREQUENCIES THE MOST ENERGY. REM KILOWATT HOURS.
THINK MICROWAVE AND HIGHER ENERGY GENERATOR.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #144 on: April 13, 2022, 05:37:11 PM »
WHICH ONE CARRIES THE MOST ENERGY?


At a glance without seeing them closely on the grid. I would say they are all the same? Just different settings views on the scope?

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #145 on: April 13, 2022, 05:41:15 PM »
CAPTAIN THE HIGHER THE FREQUENCY THE HIGHER THE ENERGY .

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #146 on: April 13, 2022, 05:49:57 PM »

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #147 on: April 13, 2022, 06:01:11 PM »
CAPTAIN GET OUT OF THIS MOVING MAGNET WAY OF THINKING THINK OF NO MOVING PARTS
TECHNOLOGIES. THE HIGHER THE FREQUENCIES THE MOST ENERGY. REM KILOWATT HOURS.
THINK MICROWAVE AND HIGHER ENERGY GENERATOR.


I see what you are getting at, and I am very much interested in that as well. That's just not where my mind keeps taking me. I feel so many have dug into that side of FE that know WAY MORE than I do, and I still haven't seen anything come through that has been groundbreaking. I spent almost a year trying so many different versions of a TPU and trying everything I could think of. I always ended up with a crappy version of a transformer that didn't even work as well as the off the shelf transformer I can buy for a few bucks. Not that I don't believe in it, just that if I drift down the avenue looking for FE in a way that is not of interest to me, the constant failures that we all get over and over again just wouldn't be fun for me anymore. I took about 9 years away from the search after a lot of burn out and trolls hitting me every times I shared and idea. But deep inside, I still hard that part of me that just wanted to hit the bench and do try something new and see what happens. I love working on solid state ideas and many others, and learning from them. But this magnet in the core concept has been bugging me and I simply need to learn more about it. The solid core version of the same idea goes along with the Flynn Motor concepts and many others that use similar ideas in a solid state version. To my knowledge none have really shown FE yet. This is a twist of all that I can learn from their work, and take it down a slightly different path that I don't think anyone has tried yet. After all, nearly all devices on all of these forums do not produce more out than is put in. Mine is probably just 1 more. But when I'm done with it, I will personally know WHY it doesn't work, and I won't be plagued with those WHAT IF scenarios I never tried. After all, I have replicated quite a few different devices from others work. I finally found one that I have never seen before that follows a concept that is very simple, yet nobody has every laid it out in this manor and tried it. Probably just another way to fail, but then I will know, and the knowledge of knowing exactly why it's not going to work makes it a success to me. I am one of those guys that have been intrigued by magnets since I was a child. I still can sit and play with magnets for hours on end. The invisible force intrigues me. I have a burning will to understand why it works and what is really happening. If I never find free energy, doing these kind of projects, makes me feel like that little kid playing with his magnets and toys again. Sometimes with all the things in life tearing us down, we it's nice to take your mind away for a bit, and play with your toys per say... lol.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #148 on: April 13, 2022, 06:06:13 PM »
CAPTAIN THE HIGHER THE FREQUENCY THE HIGHER THE ENERGY .

That makes sense actually. I will be following everything people post that helps me understand these things better. I have a nice oscilloscope that didn't get nearly enough use. It's time it stops collecting dust. I will have some extra wire and magnets and stuff and plan to wind a few special coils to try some of your solid state thoughts you've brought up that kind of encompass this whole concept. I will have a few questions I'm sure before I wind some of it. But it will be just a bit before I get there. For sure I will wind up a bifilar coil and try the parallel turns as you suggested and see if I get some boosted flux.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #149 on: April 13, 2022, 06:38:33 PM »
IT IS NOT A BIFILAR. BUT TWO INDUCTORS OF THE THE SAME VALUE ONE WITHIN THE OTHER.
I HAVE NEVER TRIED IT BUT IMAGINING THAT IT WILL ENHANCE THE OUTCOME. DUE TO LINE OF
FORCE COMPRESSION. JUST MONKEY THOUGHT. IT HAS TO BE PROVEN. EASILY TESTED . TWO ELECTROMAGNET
ONE WITH THE SAME LENGTH OF WOUNDED WIRE AS PER THE MONKEY DOUBLE COILS AND CHECK THE MAGNETIC PULL USING
A SCALE. SAME CURRENT SAME VOLTAGE.