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Author Topic: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs  (Read 35799 times)

Offline seychelles

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #120 on: April 10, 2022, 04:47:55 PM »
AGAIN MY MONKEY BRAIN SAYS THAT THERE DOES NOT NEED ANY MOVING PARTS
 AS FAR AS THE GENERATOR IS CONCERNED. THINK ABOUT IT.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #121 on: April 10, 2022, 05:15:06 PM »
MONKEY BRAIN

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #122 on: April 10, 2022, 05:28:11 PM »
SHOULD BE EASILY VERIFIED WITH 2 MOT TRANSFORMERS.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #123 on: April 10, 2022, 05:31:55 PM »
AGAIN MY MONKEY BRAIN SAYS THAT THERE DOES NOT NEED ANY MOVING PARTS
 AS FAR AS THE GENERATOR IS CONCERNED. THINK ABOUT IT.
That's awesome... I ordered a 4017 chaser circuit board kit about a month ago because I wanted to try out some stuff similar. So when i get in a better build state, I will be trying this concept. I've got the parts. I just have to complete a little more stages of the motor first. I have this uncanny habit of changing my thoughts and running 20 different directions. Then I end up with a whole bunch of half finished concepts and accomplish nothing... lol. So I'm making a list of things to try one after another.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #124 on: April 10, 2022, 05:49:48 PM »
CRITICAL TEST IS ONE NEED TO KNOW WHAT PULSING VOLTAGE
TO GET THE MAGNETIC GENIE AWAKEN .

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #125 on: April 10, 2022, 11:41:10 PM »
CRITICAL TEST IS ONE NEED TO KNOW WHAT PULSING VOLTAGE
TO GET THE MAGNETIC GENIE AWAKEN .
I've got some information on that one already. If you go back to the earlier pages, I was posting charts of voltage tests on my coils to try and understand the effects of number of turns, current, and voltage to unleash the genie per say.... I increased the voltage .5v at a time and recorded how much flux at a certain distance was changing. I was expecting to hit a spot in the voltage where it would all the sudden flip and show a large change in flux. That on the other hand didn't seem to happen at all. What I found was that it was directly proportional to the power added to the coil. For instance, I did tests with no magnet in the core, and the flux was way less as you may have expected. But on the permanent magnet embedded cores, there never was a certain flip voltage. Every bit of added energy seemed to release a little more inner field. It was not as I expected but I have duplicated it over and over. It's kind of a bonus in a way if someone is trying to make a very low powered device like what I am also doing. You can see benefits right off the bat even at 5v instead of waiting for all the benefits to show up after, say 24V to flip it. No clue of course how that would coincide with your transformer concepts, but it is a clue as to what it is doing anyway.
Just for a quick recap of what I found out. The more turns on the coils the stronger the magnetic field of course. The higher resistance of those extra turns did in fact decrease the current draw, but still increased the overall flux. High current always makes a great magnetic field of course. But what I found was the overall efficiency continued to climb the more turns I added. Even adding the coils in series and taking the measurements. Of course, voltage had to continue increasing to get a good field the more turns and resistance that was added, but I also figured the actual ratio of field change per amount of milliwatt used. And I never hit the point where it was counter productive like I expected. Just had to keep using more voltage to get even more milligause per milliwatt. Very interesting. My tests showed that the added resistance was not really hurting me other than I needed more voltage to flow less current.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #126 on: April 11, 2022, 06:26:35 AM »
MAYBE USE FERRITE MAGNET BECAUSE THEY WEAKER. THEN THE GENIE WILL
EASILY POP OUT.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #127 on: April 11, 2022, 08:38:33 AM »
MAYBE USE FERRITE MAGNET BECAUSE THEY WEAKER. THEN THE GENIE WILL
EASILY POP OUT.
That is actually something I have not tried. I have made my coils so I can still remove the core magnets. I think the local craft store has some 1/2 ferrites for dirt cheap. I think I'll give that a go as well when I can just for the sake of knowing how it will work. Who knows, maybe I'm not even releasing the majority of what lies within yet with my existing testing. Thanks for the thought.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #128 on: April 11, 2022, 10:19:48 AM »
JUST ANOTHER CRAZY MONKEY CRAKA.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #129 on: April 12, 2022, 03:17:50 AM »
Not much new to share yet. Have 2 coils left to wind and it goes back together. It's getting there slowly.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #130 on: April 12, 2022, 07:49:22 AM »
THE STEEL RING IS NOT THICK ENOUGH TO ABSORB THE PM FLUX. THERE SHOULD
BARE MINIMAL ATTRACTION WHEN A PIECE OF IRON IS NEAR THESE COILS. SOOORY
JUST A DISTANCE OBSERVATION. USE 1 MM FLAT STEEL SHEET TO ROLL YOUR MAGNET
IN.


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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #131 on: April 12, 2022, 08:59:02 AM »
THE STEEL RING IS NOT THICK ENOUGH TO ABSORB THE PM FLUX. THERE SHOULD
BARE MINIMAL ATTRACTION WHEN A PIECE OF IRON IS NEAR THESE COILS. SOOORY
JUST A DISTANCE OBSERVATION. USE 1 MM FLAT STEEL SHEET TO ROLL YOUR MAGNET
IN.


I would normally agree with that assessment 100%. However, I tried that first. I tested a few sizes. And I found it to be a bit different. I posted all the numbers and stuff earlier in the thread, but I feel I need to repeat my findings again now that I have more of a build and it's not just theory anymore. I'll dig up my stuff and show you why I chose what I did.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #132 on: April 12, 2022, 10:22:01 AM »
THE STEEL RING IS NOT THICK ENOUGH TO ABSORB THE PM FLUX. THERE SHOULD
BARE MINIMAL ATTRACTION WHEN A PIECE OF IRON IS NEAR THESE COILS. SOOORY
JUST A DISTANCE OBSERVATION. USE 1 MM FLAT STEEL SHEET TO ROLL YOUR MAGNET
IN.


Okay, here is a little quick recap of how I chose the core. I am by far not saying you are wrong, I am just showing my thought process to move forward with the ones I have chosen. I started with a thicker core and changed with what I was seeing. There is a tiny bit of flux leaking out as you stated, but even at the top where the field is the strongest, it is small enough that metal moving by it at over 1mm distance is not effected by it at all. I made an attraction only version with no PM on the rotors for testing, just steel, non powered up, the rotor would spin for a very long time and would not stop aligned with the core any greater than random. So I think it is hiding the field enough to be able to see the results I am looking for through further testing. Or at least show the benefits this design can give, or take away. At least it is good enough results to warrant further testing. It seemed to me that the core needed to be closer to saturation  or beyond in order to begin releasing the inner flux as early as possible. That's the theory anyway.

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #133 on: April 12, 2022, 10:29:21 AM »
And here are all 6. Ready to finish mounting them and put things back together. Everything is still being built with the assumption that I will still be tearing it down and reusing parts for another build if I evolve more on this one. If I get a design I'm happy with, I will resin the coils. But still need them removable for now. Hopefully next couple days I can thump the dust off the old scope and start seeing what this wave form looks like!

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Re: Permanent magnet assisted motor coil designs
« Reply #134 on: April 12, 2022, 12:42:14 PM »
THANKS FOR YOUR MASSIVE EFFORT AND AWESOME DATA. YOU WILL SUCCEED AT THIS VENTURE.
KEEP KEEPING ON.