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Author Topic: This one is intresting.  (Read 10196 times)

Offline pix

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Re: This one is intresting.
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2022, 11:42:45 AM »
Sometimes I'm just the one in the position to play the critic.
                              It is needed. 
       Believing blindly can't help anything.
                         Please...
Don't take it too hard, and don't ever let it stop you from experimenting
if / when you think you see something in an idea or design.

               Best wishes
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Believe me- I am the last one who could be called "blind believer". :D
Positive feedback phenomena is well known in electronic and audio area.  Uncontrolled may lead to system components destruction. Did you think about it? Are you questioning it's existence? Didn't you hear it for example duing music concerts?  Unbearable noise amplification due to coupling of sound between speakers and microphone?
Exactly the same happens here: generator-el.motor linked and connected together.
I already explained in my previous post why such "self running" system may work.
It is not "free energy", energy is coming from: initial run done by operator, and permanent magnets magnetic field.
It is a system that conserves and accululates energy due to positive feedback.


Cheers,
Pix








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Re: This one is intresting.
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2022, 11:43:53 AM »
There are several who wants to try it, by my opinion it sounds interesting  :o


Yes.  :)

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Re: This one is intresting.
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2022, 02:59:37 PM »
We need to check the right components to make no mistakes,
we should help each other and work in a team.

Please double check...don´t know if its correct:

One Phase Motor from UTENTRA 220V and 2800RMP 220V

Car Alternator 24V 200AMPS
(perhaps from Audi Quattro made by Valea)

Magnets seems to be Arc Magenets, not totally flat (important you cannot replace the two little magnets by a single larger one as it would create totally different waves)

We should create a parts list and where to get the parts from

Offline pix

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Re: This one is intresting.
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2022, 03:26:34 PM »

Magnets seems to be Arc Magenets, not totally flat (important you cannot replace the two little magnets by a single larger one as it would create totally different waves)




Why not?
Most important is alternate magnets polarisation N-S-N-S to be on exact position facing stator coil loop. When one side of coil loop faces N the other side of that coil loop must face S.
I guess guy on the movie didn't had longer magnets, that's why he had to glue two together.
I don't see other explanation.
Look at principle, don't blindly follow his setup.
Here you have similiar principle, difference is- starting of unit is done with grid energy spinning electrical motor, then power supply is disconnected , instead of manual spinning.
Infinity SAV – Revolutionary technologies for a better tomorrow


Cheers,
Pix


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Re: This one is intresting.
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2022, 03:42:51 PM »
partial quote

Positive feedback phenomena is well known in electronic and audio area.  Uncontrolled may lead to system components destruction.



partial quote
It is not "free energy", energy is coming from: initial run done by operator, and permanent magnets magnetic field.
It is a system that conserves and accululates energy due to positive feedback.


cool / cheers
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Offline e2matrix

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Re: This one is intresting.
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2022, 06:05:50 PM »

Believe me- I am the last one who could be called "blind believer". :D
Positive feedback phenomena is well known in electronic and audio area.  Uncontrolled may lead to system components destruction. Did you think about it? Are you questioning it's existence? Didn't you hear it for example duing music concerts?  Unbearable noise amplification due to coupling of sound between speakers and microphone?
Exactly the same happens here: generator-el.motor linked and connected together.
I already explained in my previous post why such "self running" system may work.
It is not "free energy", energy is coming from: initial run done by operator, and permanent magnets magnetic field.
It is a system that conserves and accululates energy due to positive feedback.


Cheers,
Pix


Very aware of audio feedback but where do you think the power for it comes from?  It comes from the outlet it is plugged into or a battery pack which can keep providing more wattage until components either fry or someone turns down the volume quickly.   What you have in the fake video has no source of power to tap into.   The only devices like this I've seen that 'might' work are ones with a large heavy flywheel.   But please do prove me wrong by building it - I will gladly eat my words and thank you for a successful build.

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Re: This one is intresting.
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2022, 08:17:48 PM »
@e2matrix
I am not going to argue with you.
Once I will do my project I will let you know.
The  plan is to modify ansynchronous motor instead od car alternator. More windings in the stator.
See examples.
Генератор на постоянных магнитах. Как сделать. Подробно. - YouTube
[size=78%]Асинхронник на магниты 1,5 кВт - YouTube[/size]


Cheers,
Pix

Offline skybiker63

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Re: This one is intresting.
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2022, 11:46:59 AM »
It is elementary neccessary to use the two single magnets instead of a normal one.
If you use the normal one it becomes a common generator.
As normal Generator it has no OU.
Two little magnets cause totally different magnetic fields than a single magnet, specially in this arangement. You can clearly see in the video that he has to push them hard together, this position cause
new kind of magnetic fields.
Another point is that also an arc magnet creates other fields than a flat one...magnets arangements are not such an easy job of South and North... :o
The whole arrangement and construction is only looking so simple but in detail I can see a lot of great detail work.

Offline pix

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Re: This one is intresting.
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2022, 12:53:29 PM »
@Skybiker63
It IS a common generator, no OU there.
The special thing about such a setup is to loop and accumulate  excess energy for use. I already explained this.
Many builders use small magnets because they are more available and cheaper, long magnets are not common and very expensive.
It is important to locate magnet in "tilted" position against line of coil, this is to reduce a drag.
There ia a Polish thread about such PM generators for homemade wind turbines, 400+ pages, everything is there.
Most common to modify with PM's is a washing machine motor or 3 phase ansynchronous motor- they range lies in kilowatts. Typical car alternator may produce max. 500Watts.


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Re: This one is intresting.
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2022, 07:45:14 PM »
If you want to try a much stronger alternator to do this with try getting one used on big trucks (18 wheelers) as they can put out much higher wattage.  Used ones can often be found for not much more than car alternators.  Even new ones aren't that much as you can see here is one that can do 160 Amps (at 12 volts thats 1920 watts) for $93 and that was just a quick search on ebay:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/174169073394


Car alternators on the other hand are typically around 65 amps if I recall.


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Re: This one is intresting.
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2022, 11:03:24 PM »

@e2matrix3 phase ansynchronous motors are less expensive, are bigger and have more copper windings on the stator. Can acommodate more permanent magnets.
In one of the youtube links I posted in my previous message , at the end the guy after assebly connects voltmeted and just spins  shaft with one hand and gets 40V reading peak.
Imagine when it spins few hundreds rpm or nominal speed.
Powerfull machines.
Given intensity of magnetic field inside such modified AC motor, if we connect identical motor and loop them togrther- I am optimist of the "self running" possibility.


PS. Sorry for big pictures.


Cheers,
Pix

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Re: This one is intresting.
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2022, 01:57:14 PM »
Gearing up equipment.
2 identical induction motors 2,2kW/1480 rev/320/400V
AC capacitors.
Pulleys, v-belt, breakes, magnets
First- will test  generator mode of one induction motor- plan to install 3 capacitors in triangle, motor windings in star, spin it to 120% of nominal speed by second motor and see how it performs as ansynchronous generator.
Second- install permanent magnets on one rotor. Connect to second motor with v-belt and pulleys, spin and loop as per YT.
Will see.


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Pix

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Re: This one is intresting.
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2022, 08:14:06 PM »
Well, all naysayers.
Please watch this video from 12:30 min.
Guys responded to all critic posts and made a new video.
Is Free Energy Possible? We put this infinite energy engine to test. - YouTube


Cheers,
Pix

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Re: This one is intresting.
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2022, 05:46:25 PM »
@e2matrix3 phase ansynchronous motors are less expensive, are bigger and have more copper windings on the stator. Can acommodate more permanent magnets.
In one of the youtube links I posted in my previous message , at the end the guy after assebly connects voltmeted and just spins  shaft with one hand and gets 40V reading peak.
Imagine when it spins few hundreds rpm or nominal speed.
Powerfull machines.
Given intensity of magnetic field inside such modified AC motor, if we connect identical motor and loop them togrther- I am optimist of the "self running" possibility.


PS. Sorry for big pictures.


Cheers,
Pix

Hello Pix,


I believe an Async 3 Phase Motor could not be used on this project, simply because the Rotor Core does not have the same config as a Car or Truck Alternator.

The Steel Mass of an Alternator rotor core is splitted in two parts, upper-lower, and they have these alternated Teeth which allows for the NSNSNSNS Magnet Config. once you cut off teeths.
You could also use just one big neo toroid ring magnet, but then you will have to fully remove the rotor coil wires and press shaft out, and cut in two the core to allow the circular magnet inside....a lot of work!!

I can verify the veracity of this BUILD, just because he have to glue the two magnets together to form the NN, just because they will not stick together like that, N next to N...facing outwards.

Best thing here would be to replicate it...then find out.




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Re: This one is intresting.
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2022, 06:29:41 PM »
@Ufopolitics
3 phase squirell cage induction motor is a very good candidate for PM generator.
The reason most guys convert car alternator is simple- it is much cheaper.
There is an polish company that is succesfully doing such low rpm generators from induction motors for wind and small hydroelectric power:
KOMEL


There are many of YT movies with guys converting 3 phase induction motors:
Генератор на постоянных магнитах. Как сделать. Подробно. - YouTube
Асинхронник на магниты 1,5 кВт - YouTube


Here is nice instruction in english:
Zubbly Diary Repost PART #1 induction conversion process August 14, 2004, 09: (anotherpower.com)


You can even make very good ansynchronous generator out of indiction motor without any modifications, just connecting capacitors and spinning it above nominal speed.
Generaattori (elepal.fi)
2. IMAG, using induction motors as asynchronous generators (nzdl.org)


In fact I already have everything prepared to test induction motor running as ansynchronous generator. As I described in my previous post.
When I am done with this test and satisfied  I am going to convert one induction motor with PM's on the rotor, other motor will be connected to this one as a looped drive.


Cheers,
Pix