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Title: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: jimbo on January 19, 2022, 07:37:22 AM
Hello I've seen a new power configuration for a electromagnet .its a rod magnet or stacked neo button magnets surrounded by soft iron large washers or pipe section then that is raped by a large coil of wire .that's pretty much it .the poles must match .north for north .when there's no power the strong flux field from the neos goes to the iron core material and shorts out the flux field but when the power is on the iron becomes a magnet with the same polarity of the neos cutting off the iron from the neos and causing the two fields to join together causing a high jump in flux its 4 out to 1 in .seriously simple and cheap.I can't imagine how this is going to effect pluse motors .like the bedini wheels ect. Or maybe a transformer.
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: Floor on January 19, 2022, 09:34:53 AM
@ jimbo

Is this the same design or did I have it a backward ?

https://overunity.com/13354/perm-magnet-only-core-with-iron-shell-motor-coil/msg354318/#msg354318

A post by user Tim123 @ https://overunity.com/13354/perm-magnet-only-core-with-iron-shell-motor-coil/msg369637/#msg369637
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: norman6538 on January 19, 2022, 02:53:35 PM
Floor what software are you using to draw?
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: Floor on January 19, 2022, 04:29:18 PM
That was in 2013.

Adobe illustrator 8.0
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: Floor on January 19, 2022, 04:45:56 PM
I don't know that this works or not.  But thanks for posting it jimbo.

Do you have any links or further descriptions from someone
who had buit one ?
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: jimbo on January 19, 2022, 04:47:35 PM
Floor it seems to be missing the iron shell pathway .that's critical .to work it .
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: Floor on January 19, 2022, 04:51:25 PM
@ Jimbo

 The Iron shell is there.

https://overunity.com/13354/perm-magnet-only-core-with-iron-shell-motor-coil/msg369637/#msg369637

Does this drawing more or less depict the design.

Note... this design was never tried out / tested in that topic.
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: jimbo on January 19, 2022, 04:52:54 PM
Floor yes I do have links but I'm not going to post them at this time .I don't care to play the name game that gets people killed .its simple magnet.    iron rap    copper rap   ..magnet is a set of stacked neos .nothing else .you have to pluse it DC. And find the activation watts .. Its enough to give you the device with out killing the person .
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: Floor on January 19, 2022, 05:01:24 PM
@jimbo

That is fine with me.
If there are already some measurements or a demo. to compare results
that is  a good thing.

As you have stated, it is an easy one to build. 
So no worries.

Thanks for posting it.
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: jimbo on January 19, 2022, 08:57:53 PM
You compare the results by making the magnet core replaceable with a iron one . .it seems that the results were that it achieved the same magnetic flux with only 25% of the power .on one test and another using the same power setting's gave 4 times input . I'll send a drawing as soon as I can draw it .
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: jimbo on January 19, 2022, 09:00:22 PM
Sorry I couldn't tell if its the same it might be but not enough detail to tell .windings ect.
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: Floor on January 19, 2022, 11:35:03 PM
No worries and thanks again.

           P.S.
          The epoxy is setting on my hollow, soft iron / mild steel core, bobbin as
              I'm  typing.
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: jimbo on January 20, 2022, 03:26:16 AM
Here's a drawing
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: norman6538 on January 20, 2022, 02:40:03 PM
Figurea does something similar to this but he never lets the flux go to zero and thus gets induction from change. But nobody seemed to get that to work.

I thought by now we would see Flynn parallel path motors at our hardware stores.

What happened to them?

Norman
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: jimbo on January 21, 2022, 02:37:44 AM
Don't know about Flynn .but this needs work like as a bedini coil .or a transformer modification .it doesn't go to zero but does put out a lot more flux than a standard iron coil.even some comes on you tube have put neos on the bottom of bedini coils and found improvement. Maybe using a ac signal to drive it back might do it .
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: gyulasun on January 22, 2022, 10:56:20 PM

Hi Jimbo,

The concept of embedding a permanent magnet into a ferromagnetic enclosure and use a coil to control the setup was also proposed by Jack Hildenbrand, see his drawings in his thread here: 
 https://overunity.com/833/hilden-brand-magnet-motor/msg22925/#msg22925 (https://overunity.com/833/hilden-brand-magnet-motor/msg22925/#msg22925) 

He built several motors with his concept, you can see some pictures on motors he uploaded in his thread but later he deleted them all (mainly due to the patenting process) and someone from the members here saved some of them in this site:
 http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Inventors/Jack-W-Hildenbrand/ (http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Inventors/Jack-W-Hildenbrand/)   
In the folder you can see a video on a test demonstrating the Hildenbrand valve principle, done by another kind member here back then.   

Jack patented the concept as "System and method for utilizing magnetic energy", US7453341, the pdf file is also included in the folder.   He claimed a COP of around 2 (to 2.5) for his motors based on the concept https://overunity.com/833/hilden-brand-magnet-motor/msg23790/#msg23790 (https://overunity.com/833/hilden-brand-magnet-motor/msg23790/#msg23790) 
(COP = Coefficient of Performance).  Unfortunately Jack deceased in an illness soon after he got the patent and, as I know, no successful replications have been done ever since to get COP > 1 with the concept. 

There was another member here, DMMPOWER, who showed a drawing on the concept as a "super" electromagnet, see here: 
 https://overunity.com/4624/how-to-make-bedini-motor-overunity/msg96814/#msg96814 (https://overunity.com/4624/how-to-make-bedini-motor-overunity/msg96814/#msg96814) 

And see Floor's post with a link included in it:
https://overunity.com/13354/perm-magnet-only-core-with-iron-shell-motor-coil/msg563135/#msg563135 (https://overunity.com/13354/perm-magnet-only-core-with-iron-shell-motor-coil/msg563135/#msg563135)  and see the start of the thread here:
https://overunity.com/13354/perm-magnet-only-core-with-iron-shell-motor-coil/msg354318/#msg354318 (https://overunity.com/13354/perm-magnet-only-core-with-iron-shell-motor-coil/msg354318/#msg354318)       

Please do not misunderstand my mentioning the above examples, your efforts and enthusiasm are appreciated and please continue tinkering with this concept.

Gyula


Here's a drawing
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: captainpecan on January 22, 2022, 11:43:47 PM
I didn't realize anyone here was working on this project as well. Just found the thread. I've been working on this concept for a bit now. What originally got my mind running on it was the work of Robert Murry. He has a video of your exact drawing.


@Floor,
I also just noticed you have been working on very similar concepts since at least 2013. I was gone for many years, I'm getting caught up. I missed a lot. This was part of what made me interested in the Tinman resurrected project as that concept could be a perfect marriage with this one. I'll start posting my work here as well if we have some like minded people in here interested.


Here is the video I found that is this exact idea. Maybe where the neos in washers design you may have seen even came from.
https://youtu.be/4xZa1JGP2oc (https://youtu.be/4xZa1JGP2oc)


For anyone who hasn't seen his work, Robert Murry has phenomenal videos you should really sort through. Great stuff.
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: captainpecan on January 23, 2022, 12:09:50 AM
This is what Jimbo is referring to... I made this a bit back but haven't finished it yet. Just needs the wire wrapped on it. It's 1 of about 20 ideas bouncing in my head I need to work with and learn more about. I'll get this one wrapped and do some tests real quick. I want to test this pretty heavily as well a little twist I have planned. I'll share as I go.
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: captainpecan on January 23, 2022, 12:58:34 AM
@ gyulasun

Tons of good info there. I just got done reading his patent. Thank you for posting that. There is a lot more I need to look through from all you posted. Great stuff.
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: jimbo on January 28, 2022, 08:12:32 AM
Yes this has a history but new to me I'm trying to come up with a motor with hardware store parts .so far I've settled on steel pipes as rotors and the shell over the magnets .I've got a lot of high strength ferrite magnets from a long time ago .I'm going to stack them inside the pipe and cut 45deg ends and go on a 90deg angle to the rotors .its interesting that this might be scalable .I need more parts ...I've course ..I'm also going to make a fan out of this .for personal use .I was thinking that what might happen if it was apposing solenoids  each with 1 to 4 would that in repulsion mod be 2 to 8 ?. Or as a solenoid motor with a neo core piston and a iron shell wrapped neo .it would be pulled in on no power and go out half way on full power so you would need a coil with a centertap and fire that to get it out the rest of the stroke.there would be no dead stroke. And 1to 4 out with a pull back in stroke . might be a simpler motor.and 4 times the power for the same energy.  I'd like to see just how much comes out and if it will run several more units asking for four more units would be hard to believe. I saw a guy using this with a old transformer getting more out as electrical power then in .it pluses positive only . to much information over load .got to rest my mind . if the pipes work out ..and I don't see why not ..you could just fill up pipes or stack up magnets and rap the pipe very simple. Not need for machining just a hack saw and drill.
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: jimbo on January 28, 2022, 08:22:49 AM
If this pipe approach works no need for exact tight dimensions like with the washers .just dump and go .its the flux field that's being manipulated .you can fill the voids with iron .like welding rods ect.. Oh look up Flynn magnet motors its a little different but not much .its his iron stamped sheet cores that's hard to get past .so off the shelf it going to be. Not as well engineered but if it works !.
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: Floor on January 28, 2022, 07:38:56 PM
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Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: citfta on January 29, 2022, 01:51:56 AM
Since we are talking about making a coil that is much stronger than a normal coil I wondered how hard it would be to make a gauss meter.  They are pretty expensive if you buy one but very cheap if you are willing to make your own.  Of course they won't be calibrated but would be good for relative measurements.  I found this article on line for anyone interested in making their own;


https://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=gaussmeter


Carroll
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: Floor on January 29, 2022, 01:52:24 AM
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Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: Floor on January 29, 2022, 04:09:25 AM
Clarification of intent / approaches / design and some possibilities ?

We have concepts and / or designs,  wherein the intent is to
                                   suppress
a permanent magnet by means of the application of an opposing
electromagnet.  This is already being used in scrap metal lifting cranes
and so on.  No    direct    net gain here.
... ... ... ... ...
We have concepts and / or designs,  wherein the intent is to
                                      shunt
magnetic force in such a manner that the process of the
        cyclical, shunting and / or switching of that magnetic current from
shunted to un shunted,
                           will consume less energy than can be gained from
the energy difference between the application of that force when shunted and un - shunted.
... ... ... ... ...
We have concepts and / or designs,  wherein the intent is to
                                            balance forces
                 such that force vectors and / or other characteristics
              may be rearranged without a net opposition by magnetic forces
                                               and in turn
              those rearrangements give rise to  interactions which are profitable
                                      in terms of an energy gain.

... ... ... ... ...
We have concepts and / or designs,  wherein the intent is to
         stall or slow down in time / create some form of stasis in an event
                                     during which period we
                                     move a field or exit it,
                                                     or
                       in some other way alter some relationship/s
     such that force vectors and / or other characteristics may be rearranged without
                                                or with little
             significant opposition and there by profit, in term of an energy gain.
... ... ... ... ...
                  We have concepts and / or designs,  wherein the intent is
                   multiplications or additions (cascading) of force where in
                                                          there exits
                                                    no   apparent  gain,
                              because increases must be reversed or undone
                                             in order to proceed cyclically.
                                                                but
                      those forces can while in their multiplied state / conditions
                                                  give rise to changes
               which do not subtract from the energy used to cause reversal / undoing
                                                          and instead
                      only cause a delay in time in the macro world, of that reversal / undoing
                                   (apparently simultaneous to that reversal / undoing)
                                                              behavior
                               (which is  in some manner is like unto the behaviors
                                        of those, theorized, particles, which physics
                                                          has termed virtual).
... ... ... ... ...

                                              Some combinations of the above.

                                              Some of the above may be statements of
                                              essentially the same things.

                                              Other options.
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: jimbo on January 29, 2022, 05:31:50 AM
Citfta
Great find can't beat it for 10 bucks .  floor what are you taking about ? I have found a video from a guy that has done some work on using neos on a transformer and pulses it with DC .he shows the no neo out put and the neo out put .big difference and simpler to do .he uses a Small DC motor and with the neos it speeds up and the volts drop like from 5 or 6 to 1 to 1 1/2 volts  but no inline resistor on the input or out put to give wattage differences if any .if there is then my next question would be what if I did two in series ?. Ect . I'll dig it out for you guys .
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: jimbo on January 29, 2022, 05:39:29 AM
Here's the vid


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=atUTu8sg94w


Flynn if your concerned about output check out Flynn magnetic motor he's got a industry built around it .and in his diagrams its 1 in  and 4 out .
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: jimbo on January 29, 2022, 06:08:11 AM
Hi here's what got me going down this road .I was looking at bedini motors and looking for improvement. John said he got about 80 to 85 % return on his system the magic was in the h wave and the batteries .but he also said that if you included the unused mechanical aka the rotation then it is over unity .so I noticed he didn't use the south end of his pluse coils .so i am adding a second wheel next to the first and south then the coil would need to have a horse shoe core . then I saw that some of the guys were using magnets under the coils and it didn't speed things us but reduced the input energy by 2/3s  ..interesting ? Then I found this neo core raped in iron raped in copper windings .1 in and 4 out so I'm going that way with the horse shoe coil.by placing a neo string inside of the bedini coil and making the core larger to accommodate the new stuff. All of these changes should have a effect on the system .by cutting input and adding out put mechanical . hell just using the rotation put it into over unity according to john his should really do it . but now in got my noise stuck in that neo transformer thing .well it keeps me out of the bars  is this what hell is like ?.
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: Floor on January 29, 2022, 06:17:07 AM
floor what are you taking about ?

There are several methods of approach in regard to electro permanent magnet interactions.

No doubt.  In some conditions the combination of an electromagnet and a
permanent magnet will      increase         the magnetic force from the magnet.
They add up.

No doubt.  In some conditions the combination of an electromagnet and a
permanent magnet will       decrease      the magnetic force from the magnet.
They subtract.

There are other things that one might hope to accomplish.

for example...
 
The turning on and off of a magnetic current, by a method which might in some
ways be like unto the way a transistor can turn on or off an electric current.
I refer to this as      shunting      the magnetic current into another path or as
simply  shunting.

Some transistors use an extremely low amount of power to do that switching.

If a permanent magnet can be switched in that way, this would be free energy from
that magnet.


There are other approaches to the goal of gaining energy as well. 
Some of them, I listed above.


It is good to have some idea as to which approach one is using,
as well as why it might work.
No ?

How would you define the approach which you are using ?

   hoping for your success
              best wishes           
                         floor
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: jimbo on January 29, 2022, 06:31:16 AM
Addendum
To improve even more use double the copper wire for double flux for same watts and use a cap because they once fired off self recharge to 5% of original charge . on the topic of of magnets and energy I was starting to do some work on toroidal core switch's it seems that they can be shut down magnetically with the right windings and the right pluse level hers the point take a long iron u channel or L channel and set it up with a wooden track for a small wagon with good wheels the idea is there's neos in the cart and the cart wheels sit on a ever declining track getting closer to the iron channel .if you let it go it runs like bullet to the end collecting kinetic energy all the way now on the end at the lock up point sits the toroidal switch and as the cart passes its pulsed off .this would make a rail gun with almost not power .now curve it in to a circle . and its a magnetic Wankel. But with a lot less power to run it . OK I'm done .I hope ?
Oh I for got that channel could be six feet long or six hundred miles long the turn off energy wouldn't change .
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: citfta on January 29, 2022, 01:47:54 PM
Here's the vid


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=atUTu8sg94w (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=atUTu8sg94w)


Flynn if your concerned about output check out Flynn magnetic motor he's got a industry built around it .and in his diagrams its 1 in  and 4 out .


Hi Jim,


It is obvious that the magnets are doing something to the transformer provided the video isn't fake.  But that can only happen if the transformer is being pulsed with DC.  If he is using AC to power the transformer then the magnets should have the same effect no matter which way they are turned.


The meter is reacting to the nearness of the magnet.  If you watch closely you will see the needle move sometimes before he even gets the magnets close to the transformer.  So the meter reading means nothing.  I am not saying that the magnet coil configuration you are working on doesn't work.  I am only saying that video doesn't really prove it.  I have mentioned to you before that putting a magnet on the other end of a coil core makes a big difference so I believe in what you are doing.  Keep up the good work.  When I get some time I will try to make some coils like you are making.


Take care buddy,
Carroll
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: jimbo on January 29, 2022, 07:44:12 PM
Carroll
 He states in other videos that its a positive pluses only and the fact that the meter is being effected by the presence of the flux field means its true not invalid its the fields not the mass that's important .and because its so simple and dirt cheap to duplicate proving it false is easy .or true . which I'm going to do . just to satisfy my own curiosity.
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: captainpecan on January 31, 2022, 08:32:53 AM
Since we are talking about making a coil that is much stronger than a normal coil I wondered how hard it would be to make a gauss meter.  They are pretty expensive if you buy one but very cheap if you are willing to make your own.  Of course they won't be calibrated but would be good for relative measurements.  I found this article on line for anyone interested in making their own;


https://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=gaussmeter (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=gaussmeter)


Carroll


That's awesome! Now I've got to build that too... lol. That would be so useful in these projects just for general "is this better than that" numbers that don't need to be exact accuracy.
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: captainpecan on January 31, 2022, 08:44:51 AM
Hi here's what got me going down this road .I was looking at bedini motors and looking for improvement. John said he got about 80 to 85 % return on his system the magic was in the h wave and the batteries .but he also said that if you included the unused mechanical aka the rotation then it is over unity .so I noticed he didn't use the south end of his pluse coils .so i am adding a second wheel next to the first and south then the coil would need to have a horse shoe core . then I saw that some of the guys were using magnets under the coils and it didn't speed things us but reduced the input energy by 2/3s  ..interesting ? Then I found this neo core raped in iron raped in copper windings .1 in and 4 out so I'm going that way with the horse shoe coil.by placing a neo string inside of the bedini coil and making the core larger to accommodate the new stuff. All of these changes should have a effect on the system .by cutting input and adding out put mechanical . hell just using the rotation put it into over unity according to john his should really do it . but now in got my noise stuck in that neo transformer thing .well it keeps me out of the bars  is this what hell is like ?.


I didn't get that far this week on my project with family stuff and work. But I just got caught up reading stuff in here. You and I are on very much the same page with our thought process. I was hoping to have my motor running by now so I could post stuff on it already. But hopefully in next few days. I've been posting my stuff in my own thread about it. But what I noticed about what you said above, was you were going to use both sides of the electromagnet. That is EXACTLY what I am building. Mine isn't a bedini wheel. So far just an axial flux design but I am using both sides of the electromagnet. I am working out what circuit I want to run it on. I am wanting to try a variation of the Dadhav Lidmotor circuit. Looks interesting and I have not played with it yet. My coil is not bifilar wound, so my bedini school girl I have isn't ideal. I'll show my work, I think you will be interested in seeing it when I get a bit further now that I think we are visualizing the same thing.
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: captainpecan on January 31, 2022, 09:04:40 AM

It is obvious that the magnets are doing something to the transformer provided the video isn't fake.  But that can only happen if the transformer is being pulsed with DC.  If he is using AC to power the transformer then the magnets should have the same effect no matter which way they are turned.



Something interesting about what you just said, is quite some time ago, I made a very simple invertor circuit that was a 2 mosfet oscilator, an inductor and transformer. I was just using it to run an 8 watt led house light bulb on about 1.5 watts power to play around. When I attached a permanent magnet to the transformer, the bulb got brighter, and the current draw dropped by 100ma. That transformer was getting pulsed DC from the oscillator, but it was to a center tapped winding. Therefor from the transformers perspective, it was basically an AC current going in. So even though what you said makes perfect sense, I saw something back then that tells me something else is going on there also. Maybe it makes the core flux "more springy" per say? But you would think at the same time one polarity was more, the other should be less? So I get exactly what you say. Wasn't anything major and I just thought it was cool to get brighter light for less amperage simply by sticking a magnet to it. But I saw something and in my opinion, it was AC also. Just made me think about that old experiment and now I'm curious why I saw what I did when it was AC?
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: jimbo on February 01, 2022, 09:32:33 PM
I got this notion of trying a motor casing for a three phase motor .they have like ??? 6 ??? Windings I think and there imbedded in the iron ring .if I was to connect a positive pluse to a winding and find one or more of the other windings giving off power like transformer might then add the magnets ? Moving them around to find the best spot .this might replace the rotor and if it did advance the power then by how much and did the rest put out too ?.or might I need to add more magnets or input more coils ? .I'd like to see this transformer set up cascaded into more transformers .and more magnets . this reminds me of a triode tube or gate .can this be done to a air coil ?. Yes bifiler would be better .I've done a bedini solid state ssg coil and it strips lead sulfide off in 4 days running around 500,000 hz I found out its not the h wave so much as the repeated pounding of the pluse .I saw a PDF of a setup using under 12 volts and high frequency doing the same thing its called defoliation .this is interesting for possible desulfating while using the batteries . I might be able to find the right voltage and amps for each different coil with a varact and a big diode.tunning to minimum release and most energy transfer just below the iron saturation point . good hunting .
Title: Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
Post by: jimbo on February 01, 2022, 09:39:33 PM
This topic has got me thinking about older technology like on the Patrick Kelly PDF there's several old devices pretty close to this but with out the magnets .like a French one I saw that had multiple iron cores in a circle raped in copper wires cascading around ..did they leave out this inter magnet part for the patent to hide this for protection ?.would one advance the next then that advance the next and so on each adding ?.
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Post by: captainpecan on February 02, 2022, 04:47:11 AM
Some of your thoughts remind me of concepts behind the workings of Tom Beardens MEG and many different off shoot concepts I've seen people work with. I haven't done much work in those fields but I always kind of wanted to. There may be some more great little concepts from others work in that area that may help on these projects. Just thinking out loud kind of.

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Post by: jimbo on February 02, 2022, 06:06:51 PM
Tom beardens MEG didn't work it couldn't be tuned .so he says .he needed a army of engineers to figure out the tunning and it was going to cost to much . I guess not may know that because I hear it a lot. Rick has done a lot of investigation on don Smith  technology and has succeeded in mass resonance in like over 100 coils ? At once and the next step is doing it at hivoltage .he seems to have a fear of hivoltage rf.but with out the hivoltage you get zip noda.its coming out this summer I think .if he does it at all.it might put a bulls eye on his back.like bedini and his brother and  don smith ect ..