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Author Topic: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in  (Read 5443 times)

Offline jimbo

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Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2022, 06:31:16 AM »
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To improve even more use double the copper wire for double flux for same watts and use a cap because they once fired off self recharge to 5% of original charge . on the topic of of magnets and energy I was starting to do some work on toroidal core switch's it seems that they can be shut down magnetically with the right windings and the right pluse level hers the point take a long iron u channel or L channel and set it up with a wooden track for a small wagon with good wheels the idea is there's neos in the cart and the cart wheels sit on a ever declining track getting closer to the iron channel .if you let it go it runs like bullet to the end collecting kinetic energy all the way now on the end at the lock up point sits the toroidal switch and as the cart passes its pulsed off .this would make a rail gun with almost not power .now curve it in to a circle . and its a magnetic Wankel. But with a lot less power to run it . OK I'm done .I hope ?
Oh I for got that channel could be six feet long or six hundred miles long the turn off energy wouldn't change .

Offline citfta

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Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2022, 01:47:54 PM »
Here's the vid


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=atUTu8sg94w


Flynn if your concerned about output check out Flynn magnetic motor he's got a industry built around it .and in his diagrams its 1 in  and 4 out .


Hi Jim,


It is obvious that the magnets are doing something to the transformer provided the video isn't fake.  But that can only happen if the transformer is being pulsed with DC.  If he is using AC to power the transformer then the magnets should have the same effect no matter which way they are turned.


The meter is reacting to the nearness of the magnet.  If you watch closely you will see the needle move sometimes before he even gets the magnets close to the transformer.  So the meter reading means nothing.  I am not saying that the magnet coil configuration you are working on doesn't work.  I am only saying that video doesn't really prove it.  I have mentioned to you before that putting a magnet on the other end of a coil core makes a big difference so I believe in what you are doing.  Keep up the good work.  When I get some time I will try to make some coils like you are making.


Take care buddy,
Carroll

Offline jimbo

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Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2022, 07:44:12 PM »
Carroll
 He states in other videos that its a positive pluses only and the fact that the meter is being effected by the presence of the flux field means its true not invalid its the fields not the mass that's important .and because its so simple and dirt cheap to duplicate proving it false is easy .or true . which I'm going to do . just to satisfy my own curiosity.

Offline captainpecan

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Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2022, 08:32:53 AM »
Since we are talking about making a coil that is much stronger than a normal coil I wondered how hard it would be to make a gauss meter.  They are pretty expensive if you buy one but very cheap if you are willing to make your own.  Of course they won't be calibrated but would be good for relative measurements.  I found this article on line for anyone interested in making their own;


https://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=gaussmeter


Carroll


That's awesome! Now I've got to build that too... lol. That would be so useful in these projects just for general "is this better than that" numbers that don't need to be exact accuracy.

Offline captainpecan

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Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2022, 08:44:51 AM »
Hi here's what got me going down this road .I was looking at bedini motors and looking for improvement. John said he got about 80 to 85 % return on his system the magic was in the h wave and the batteries .but he also said that if you included the unused mechanical aka the rotation then it is over unity .so I noticed he didn't use the south end of his pluse coils .so i am adding a second wheel next to the first and south then the coil would need to have a horse shoe core . then I saw that some of the guys were using magnets under the coils and it didn't speed things us but reduced the input energy by 2/3s  ..interesting ? Then I found this neo core raped in iron raped in copper windings .1 in and 4 out so I'm going that way with the horse shoe coil.by placing a neo string inside of the bedini coil and making the core larger to accommodate the new stuff. All of these changes should have a effect on the system .by cutting input and adding out put mechanical . hell just using the rotation put it into over unity according to john his should really do it . but now in got my noise stuck in that neo transformer thing .well it keeps me out of the bars  is this what hell is like ?.


I didn't get that far this week on my project with family stuff and work. But I just got caught up reading stuff in here. You and I are on very much the same page with our thought process. I was hoping to have my motor running by now so I could post stuff on it already. But hopefully in next few days. I've been posting my stuff in my own thread about it. But what I noticed about what you said above, was you were going to use both sides of the electromagnet. That is EXACTLY what I am building. Mine isn't a bedini wheel. So far just an axial flux design but I am using both sides of the electromagnet. I am working out what circuit I want to run it on. I am wanting to try a variation of the Dadhav Lidmotor circuit. Looks interesting and I have not played with it yet. My coil is not bifilar wound, so my bedini school girl I have isn't ideal. I'll show my work, I think you will be interested in seeing it when I get a bit further now that I think we are visualizing the same thing.

Offline captainpecan

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Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2022, 09:04:40 AM »

It is obvious that the magnets are doing something to the transformer provided the video isn't fake.  But that can only happen if the transformer is being pulsed with DC.  If he is using AC to power the transformer then the magnets should have the same effect no matter which way they are turned.



Something interesting about what you just said, is quite some time ago, I made a very simple invertor circuit that was a 2 mosfet oscilator, an inductor and transformer. I was just using it to run an 8 watt led house light bulb on about 1.5 watts power to play around. When I attached a permanent magnet to the transformer, the bulb got brighter, and the current draw dropped by 100ma. That transformer was getting pulsed DC from the oscillator, but it was to a center tapped winding. Therefor from the transformers perspective, it was basically an AC current going in. So even though what you said makes perfect sense, I saw something back then that tells me something else is going on there also. Maybe it makes the core flux "more springy" per say? But you would think at the same time one polarity was more, the other should be less? So I get exactly what you say. Wasn't anything major and I just thought it was cool to get brighter light for less amperage simply by sticking a magnet to it. But I saw something and in my opinion, it was AC also. Just made me think about that old experiment and now I'm curious why I saw what I did when it was AC?

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Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2022, 09:32:33 PM »
I got this notion of trying a motor casing for a three phase motor .they have like ??? 6 ??? Windings I think and there imbedded in the iron ring .if I was to connect a positive pluse to a winding and find one or more of the other windings giving off power like transformer might then add the magnets ? Moving them around to find the best spot .this might replace the rotor and if it did advance the power then by how much and did the rest put out too ?.or might I need to add more magnets or input more coils ? .I'd like to see this transformer set up cascaded into more transformers .and more magnets . this reminds me of a triode tube or gate .can this be done to a air coil ?. Yes bifiler would be better .I've done a bedini solid state ssg coil and it strips lead sulfide off in 4 days running around 500,000 hz I found out its not the h wave so much as the repeated pounding of the pluse .I saw a PDF of a setup using under 12 volts and high frequency doing the same thing its called defoliation .this is interesting for possible desulfating while using the batteries . I might be able to find the right voltage and amps for each different coil with a varact and a big diode.tunning to minimum release and most energy transfer just below the iron saturation point . good hunting .

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Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2022, 09:39:33 PM »
This topic has got me thinking about older technology like on the Patrick Kelly PDF there's several old devices pretty close to this but with out the magnets .like a French one I saw that had multiple iron cores in a circle raped in copper wires cascading around ..did they leave out this inter magnet part for the patent to hide this for protection ?.would one advance the next then that advance the next and so on each adding ?.

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Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2022, 04:47:11 AM »
Some of your thoughts remind me of concepts behind the workings of Tom Beardens MEG and many different off shoot concepts I've seen people work with. I haven't done much work in those fields but I always kind of wanted to. There may be some more great little concepts from others work in that area that may help on these projects. Just thinking out loud kind of.


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Re: New electromagnet configuration 4 times out verses in
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2022, 06:06:51 PM »
Tom beardens MEG didn't work it couldn't be tuned .so he says .he needed a army of engineers to figure out the tunning and it was going to cost to much . I guess not may know that because I hear it a lot. Rick has done a lot of investigation on don Smith  technology and has succeeded in mass resonance in like over 100 coils ? At once and the next step is doing it at hivoltage .he seems to have a fear of hivoltage rf.but with out the hivoltage you get zip noda.its coming out this summer I think .if he does it at all.it might put a bulls eye on his back.like bedini and his brother and  don smith ect ..