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Author Topic: Hmmm, Can A Hydrogen Fuel Cell and Generator Be Enhanced?  (Read 2088 times)

Offline Johnsmith

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Hmmm, Can A Hydrogen Fuel Cell and Generator Be Enhanced?
« on: January 17, 2022, 01:09:59 AM »
 With an experiment that I've been pursuing in atmospheric chemistry, if successful then it's possible that
I could try experiments at home to see if I can generate H more efficiently. This would also include increasing the efficiency
of generating heat from having H2O occur.
 With the experiment that I've been pursuing, it's to test a hypothesis that H2O + CO2 > CH2O, O2 which supports the
Chapman cycle and then 2CH2O > CH4, CO2. Yep, I've been aware for several years what the IPCC has said and I think I've
got it figured out. I have been in contact with scientists about this but it could be seen as perpetual motion, who wants to
say that the IPCC has stated in its own report that they are relying on record levels of CO2 and CH4 to continue?
https://csl.noaa.gov/assessments/ozone/2014/summary/ch5.html

 Now if only I wasn't so stupid I might know something. After all, we know that the halogen and photolytic processes do
not allow for the amount of CH2O that has been observed. How can a person learn atmospheric chemistry? Besides, we all
know that might suggest other methods of improving fuel cell technology. That's getting into astrophysics and gravity which
are conservative subjects.
 With the experiment, anymore it will be seen as my experiment. And it might be something as basic as conservation of energy
that allows for what has been observed but it isn't understood. A more complex understanding might allow for Coulomb's law
and polarization to have an impact.

 As far as this goes, I am building Bessler's wheel which is a toxic subject.

 For those interested in fuel cells, could an antennae either strip electrons from atmospheric gasses or convert wave energy in the atmosphere
into electrons in the same fashion as a solar panel? An example is if the ground to the antennae is grounded into a plastic line with crystals in it,
would it feed electrons into the system the same way a solar panel converts solar radiation into electrons?
 And I know that grounded current can be looped back to the anode, have seen it in electroplating. And then this might get into creating a torus
for a magnetic field. If so then could that capture magnetic energy to be converted into electrons? Hope you guys don't mind some basic questions.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2022, 05:11:35 AM by Johnsmith »

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Re: Hmmm
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2022, 05:10:51 AM »
 A quick question for anyone interested. Since plastic film can be used to make a capacitor https://eepower.com/capacitor-guide/types/film-capacitor/#,
when it's stretched it becomes dielectric.
If a thin (extremely thin) wire mesh were between layers of film, would that help to attract wave energy? This is what I mean about possibly using a
loop in the wire to try and increase the number of electrons going to the cathode in the water. If a capacitor has an internal ground, will that increase the
function of the capacitor?
  And with hydrogen and oxygen, are they more likely to become water in a vacuum? This is wondering if they would because they would be conserving
energy. This has to do with the atmospheric chemistry experiment that I am pursuing. The IPCC can't explain it because accepted practices do not explain
what has been observed.

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Re: Hmmm, Can A Hydrogen Fuel Cell and Generator Be Enhanced?
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2022, 04:14:41 AM »
 The basic premise is that electrons are needed to separate hydrogen elements from oxygen elements. And when separated, they both have a different polarization.
Why does a neutral atomic charge prefer a cathode over an anode? This does not agree with being electrically neutral. An element with a neutral charge will not be
attracted to either a cathode or an anode. That goes against being ionized.

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Re: Hmmm, Can A Hydrogen Fuel Cell and Generator Be Enhanced?
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2022, 01:42:08 AM »
  Something like this might benefit from something similar to a fusion process. Basically a gas or other molecule that can readily give up an electron
could make the process of generating hydrogen more efficient. And this is where salts or a specific frequency of electrical current might encourage
electrons being released. With changing the ionization of a gas, if it could regenerate or absorb and electron from the atmosphere then it would help
to create a sustainable process.
 With atmospheric gasses, can O (oxygen) be positively ionized using a natural process? If so then the water being used for hydrogen generation
might benefit from positively ionized oxygen molecules for obvious reasons.
 With hydrogen generation, it is about adding 2 electrons to a water molecule so it becomes hydrogen and oxygen. And for a "green" sustainable practice,
it might need to be observed where water is separating between the anode and the cathode. This is because O2 is attracted to the anode and H2 to the
anode. And it might be as simple as creating a vacuum which both O2 and H2 can rise in. Then when being turned back into water, the vacuum is maintained.
With conservation of energy, this might encourage it in both the generation and the power generation.
 And for a power plant, the static head (column) could power a hydroelectric generator or the hydrogen could be stored for use as a source of clean energy.
With a power plant, if the overall process were 80% efficient then that would decrease the amount of input energy from solar and wind power. And with something
like that, if batteries were 100% recyclable or close to it then electric cars could be powered by actual Green Energy.

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Re: Hmmm, Can A Hydrogen Fuel Cell and Generator Be Enhanced?
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2022, 07:12:08 AM »
We would try to divide carbon dioxide or hydrogen sulfide into chemical elements for a start.
Liquid or gaseous. These substances are electrical insulators and it is much easier to create
the field we want in them. If  work it out , you can  start it for a  water.  :)

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Re: Hmmm, Can A Hydrogen Fuel Cell and Generator Be Enhanced?
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2022, 04:00:22 AM »
We would try to divide carbon dioxide or hydrogen sulfide into chemical elements for a start.
Liquid or gaseous. These substances are electrical insulators and it is much easier to create
the field we want in them. If  work it out , you can  start it for a  water.  :)


  I checked out hydrogen sulfide and it might produce H3O (heavy water). And with CO2, it can be separated
into positively and negatively ionized molecules. And knowing this, in the electrolysis generation of hydrogen,
could H2O steal an electron from CO2? If so then this might provide a means to lower the cost of generating
hydrogen. With a naturally ionized gas, it would save the cost of generating ionized gasses.
 This is when I wonder because of how stable CO2 is if that might explain it. Does CO2 have a covalent bond
without being bonded? If CO2 can be used to improve the efficiency of hydrogen generation, you
will deserve a loft of credit.
 What I am wondering is if negatively ionized CO2 is in the same field, will half of that field generate 2 electrons
each? This is what Maxwell's Demon is about. It's a thought experiment that is thought to have no solution. Yet
how does a generator create electrons? Einstein's father and uncle were into dynos (generators) among other
things. Einstein wanted to know what propagated the motion of light.
 And kolbacict, most people wouldn't consider CO2 because of how stable it is. With hydrogen sulfide, highly reactive.
But CO2 would offer a controlled reaction if it works. And with Occam's Razor, fewer reactions are better.

p.s., for those not familiar with chemistry, if 1 electron introduced into H2O starts a reaction, then if a positively ionized CO2
molecule is present, would that CO2 molecule give up its extra electron because no negatively ionized CO2 molecule is present?

 kolbacict, this is something that is worth considering. A naturally occurring electron lowers the cost of generating an electron.

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Re: Hmmm, Can A Hydrogen Fuel Cell and Generator Be Enhanced?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2022, 07:13:26 AM »
Why so many words ?
I just wanted to say that carbon dioxide is a worse conductor of electricity than water.
Just divide pure carbon dioxide into atoms with a resonant alternating electric field,
as it did (probably)  Meyer with water. 
And hydrogen sulfide in general is similar to water, sulfur and oxygen are elements of the
same group. Only the binding energy in the molecule is less, and therefore it is easier to
break it apart. :)

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Re: Hmmm, Can A Hydrogen Fuel Cell and Generator Be Enhanced?
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2022, 02:28:38 PM »
Why so many words ?
I just wanted to say that carbon dioxide is a worse conductor of electricity than water.
Just divide pure carbon dioxide into atoms with a resonant alternating electric field,
as it did (probably)  Meyer with water. 
And hydrogen sulfide in general is similar to water, sulfur and oxygen are elements of the
same group. Only the binding energy in the molecule is less, and therefore it is easier to
break it apart. :)


  I haven't heard about Meyer's work. Any chance you can provide a link to it?
With what i said, to allow CO2 to be separated into +CO2 and -CO2, it would need to form
a double covalent bond where they share 2 electrons. This would mean that at any given
moment they can switch from + (positive) to - (negative ionization).
 

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Re: Hmmm, Can A Hydrogen Fuel Cell and Generator Be Enhanced?
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2022, 05:44:38 PM »
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I haven't heard about Meyer's work. Any chance you can provide a link to it?

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Re: Hmmm, Can A Hydrogen Fuel Cell and Generator Be Enhanced?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2022, 11:23:41 PM »



 I happen to like your cat pictures. In American, I think they're pretty cool. I like atmospheric chemistry. I actually hope
to change the field. With CO2, it takes a radioactive energy or greater to break its bonds. With such emissions, there
are Beta and Gamma emissions. Radioactive wave energy and radioactive He2 which is helium.
 This would be consistent with radioactive decay and Einstein's E = MC^2. This is where with what you mentioned, what
chemical reactions are allowed for? And with Occam's Razor, the process with fewer chemical reactions should be
considered first. This is for better or worse what helps to develop a baseline for other observations.
 This means that CO2 should be considered first even though its heat value is greater that hydrogen sulfide.

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Re: Hmmm, Can A Hydrogen Fuel Cell and Generator Be Enhanced?
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2022, 11:41:20 PM »
 This is just for fun but with something like Cesium 235, it's Beta decay is radioactive 2/4He. 2 protons and 4 nuclei (2 protons and 2 neutrons). When that happens Cesium 235 becomes 231.
And for what you suggested kolbacict, it has to do with how many electrons are in its shell. And when CO2 is +/-1 electron, it is either negatively or positively charged.
And if a field (pure) of CO2 has either 1 extra or one less electron, it is ionized while the field is neutral.
 This is what Maxwell's Demon was about. And if a field (volume) of CO2 can generate the missing electrons then a natural supply would be realized for hydrogen generation.
http://webhome.auburn.edu/~smith01/notes/maxdem.htm

 This might actually be something worthwhile when it comes to free energy. A natural process for generating electrons might be cheaper than what a generator allows for.
Think solar panels on steroids.
 And then there is always; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUAL1RBIBtI
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Re: Hmmm, Can A Hydrogen Fuel Cell and Generator Be Enhanced?
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2022, 07:51:31 AM »
No, no radiation !
Only electrical filds. :)

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Re: Hmmm, Can A Hydrogen Fuel Cell and Generator Be Enhanced?
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2022, 11:44:11 PM »
No, no radiation !
Only electrical filds. :)


  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvV3nn_de2k

p.s., CO2 might be the solution to improved hydrogen generation. 😀

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Re: Hmmm, Can A Hydrogen Fuel Cell and Generator Be Enhanced?
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2022, 01:58:20 PM »
My fellow chemists say that even good dielectrics like carbon dioxide do not break down into their constituent elements when subjected to an electric field. The field can pull an electron away from a molecule. A series of all sorts of free radical transformations will begin. The result will be various substances, but not much. such as CO, C2O,C3O2 a bit O2, and C.
But we will not achieve the desired result.
Not to mention water...

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Re: Hmmm, Can A Hydrogen Fuel Cell and Generator Be Enhanced?
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2022, 10:19:48 PM »
My fellow chemists say that even good dielectrics like carbon dioxide do not break down into their constituent elements when subjected to an electric field. The field can pull an electron away from a molecule. A series of all sorts of free radical transformations will begin. The result will be various substances, but not much. such as CO, C2O,C3O2 a bit O2, and C.
But we will not achieve the desired result.
Not to mention water...


  With some research that I am pursuing, it will involve CO2. When you posted about Stanley Meyer, I didn't check out any other threads
when I started this one. Yet when you mentioned hydrogen sulfide and CO2, I know what H3O is. And then I found out that in a container
of what might be pure CO2, it becomes both positively and negatively ionized. And they can be separated as such.
 What will need to be known if negatively ionized CO2 can generate electrons from background electromagnetic radiation. If it does that,
then a source of electrons might be realized. This would allow for a natural source to augment green energy (wind or solar power).