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Author Topic: Floodrods Magnetic Testing Log  (Read 5534 times)

Offline floodrod

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Re: Floodrods Magnetic Testing Log
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2022, 02:12:42 PM »
We readers now have the basic parameters...

Much better than if we are left to just guess or assume.


Good.

    Thanks.

Thanks- I want to repeat this with the magnet closer to see if there is a matching pattern using the same input power / RPM.

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Re: Floodrods Magnetic Testing Log
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2022, 08:07:49 PM »
Stationary magnet has been moved closer- and 7 tests performed.  Test #7 had a good amount of vibration and is questionable. Others I feel were reliable.

Test 1 started at the point where the spinning magnet still spun smoothly loaded.  Any lower- it begins to pause and chop the motor.

With this round, the big jump in efficiency came somewhere around 2000 RPM.

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Re: Floodrods Magnetic Testing Log
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2022, 10:47:03 PM »
I repeated the test yet again, but this time replaced the stationary magnet with a piece of heavy steel to see the effects.

The results are all within the margin of error telling me this effect does NOT work on Magnet against Metal.  RPM Loss and Increased power are all pretty relative all RPM's tested.

It's a shame because this effect would be easier to build upon if it did affect all ferrous metals. But I guess it's also good, as it gives a little more credibility to the Magnet on Magnet testing.

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Re: Floodrods Magnetic Testing Log
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2022, 02:30:37 AM »
It's still a good test to have done / thought
provoking (one magnet only) . 


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« Last Edit: February 18, 2022, 06:46:13 AM by Floor »

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Re: Floodrods Magnetic Testing Log
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2022, 02:57:10 AM »
It's till a good test to have done / thought
provoking (one magnet only) .

Yeah, I agree..  And it makes more sense to me now.( i think ::))

With magnet on magnet- I do not think it's a "shielding" effect.  Since it only worked with the dual magnets, I would venture to say "The quicker the poles flip, the closer it gets to neutralization of the fields". 

I do still think this can be used to reset a device (magnet on magnet).  but implementing it is another challenge..  The one i think might work would be a setup similar to the old calloway V-Gate.  When the gate is approaching, the rotor triggers a sensor which causes the stator magnet to spin quickly, thus neutralizing the flux between it and the gate - allowing the rotor to pass the gate.

But the V-gate would probably have to work on repulsion so initiating the neutralization spinning cycle would have no attraction between it and the rotor, and it would have to be able to stop spinning on the exact polarity to continue the rotor rotation.

I already started printing a V-gate like rotor to tinker with.

If you have any thoughts on how to harness this- please do not be shy.

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Re: Floodrods Magnetic Testing Log
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2022, 01:14:35 AM »
For my next test, I plan to make some jig that will allow me to spin an identical magnet between 2 stationary magnets of the same size.  Testing both attraction and repulsion forces between the 2 stationary magnets as the center one spins at variable speeds.  Also to be tested is drag exerted on the spinning magnet ( like previous tests) if surrounded by magnets on both sides.

Obviously the hope is that a spinning magnet between 2 stationary ones results in some neutralization or shielding effect between the stationary magnets without adding much resistance or increase of power to spin the magnet. This would make building a motor much easier.

I kind-of tested this with the dogbone rotor by eye- but the magnets were not in direct flux alignment, and I did not have any variables in place, so any assumption is not valid at this point.

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Re: Floodrods Magnetic Testing Log
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2022, 07:14:56 PM »
I'm still checking in.

Keep logging the data, describing the parameters, so on.

At various points, this stuff will coalesce, understandings emerge in ones mind
and a next direction forward will again become clear.

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Re: Floodrods Magnetic Testing Log
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2022, 03:12:39 AM »
Thanks Floor- even if no one is watching- I'm still going to progress..

The printing is underway and the design has changed a bit for 2 reasons. First what I can logically design to test with. Second is for usability in constructing a motor if the test is successful.

So there will be a round disk over 2 times as long as the teste stationary magnets.  The disk will be filled with as many small 12x6x2mm neos I can squeeze on it all in alternating polarity. (the red boxes represent where magnet groupings will go- but as mentioned, each small magnet alternating).. This disk will be mounted on a motor which is in turn mounted on linear sliding rails.  So I will be able to smoothly slide the spinning disk evenly on the linear rails.

Next there will be a stand with 2x 40mmx20mm neos with an air gap between them.  The bottom magnet will be adhered to the platform, the top magnet will be able to be pulled away for testing.

1.  First test is to see how much force is required to separate the 2 big magnets without any influence from the spinning things.
2. Then slide the spinning disk between the 2 neos using the linear sliding rig described above. And test how much force to separate the magnets.
3. Test several RPM ranges keeping tabs on input power required at each interval.

The hope is that the magnetic spinning disk first acts like a piece of ferrous metal would, blocking (redirecting) the flux between them.  While also hoping that neither magnet will want to stick or repel to the spinning disk because the polarity flipping cancels the forces out.

If this works, it may solve a very big problem we all know of.  We all know magnetic shielding would hold the key to free energy, but the problem is anything known that deflects magnetic fields is ferrous, and in turn subject to the magnetic fields.  I always assumed these forces are tied together or "coupled".  For instance, whatever power one might gain from using ferrous shielding would be lost pulling the shielding out of the flux, thus making shielding a pipe dream.   But perhaps turning the very nature of magnets against themselves may hold some answers.

Anyway- here are 2 example images of what I am making.  Hopefully in the next 2 days or so I will have some results to share


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Re: Floodrods Magnetic Testing Log
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2022, 04:25:46 PM »
Thanks floodrod It's appreciated by at least some.

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Re: Floodrods Magnetic Testing Log
« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2022, 05:03:00 PM »
As periodically visitor I think by Your attempt in a concept by a german developper/applicator


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=26&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19860619&CC=DE&NR=3602039A1&KC=A1


Machine for obtaining energy, without any hazardous materials, in accordance with the energy principle of nature


                                is this a known textbook principle ,                             


                                  the energy principle of nature
                                                 ?
                                  defined,determinated ?




The max. force is to receive from a wheel/rotor ( centipetal/centrifugal) WHERE ?






By wish this becomes deleted !


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Re: Floodrods Magnetic Testing Log
« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2022, 05:23:12 PM »
IancaIV-  Thank you for the interesting link. I have never seen such info till now.  I would very much like to see pictures and more information on what is described within your link.

I can not comment much on the German developer's project or theory. But it does seem many similarities exist.

I would say this project is aimed at seeing if flipping of magnetic fields can be used as "shielding" or if thus action cancels out magnetic influence against another magnet/s.



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Re: Floodrods Magnetic Testing Log
« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2022, 08:47:11 PM »
From the same :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19800514&CC=DE&NR=2848427A1&KC=A1#
Entering in the espacenet 100 Mio + invention patent/application pages

and on the left for example entering "Description"

there to see "Translate this page into "         and           "Selected language"

and  beside : the automatic translator button in red ( GOOGLE TRANSLATOR QUALITY )

so there is mostly no barrier to not get the personal most favorated language for patent object expla(i)nation !
wmbr
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Re: Floodrods Magnetic Testing Log
« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2022, 10:07:28 PM »
From the same :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19800514&CC=DE&NR=2848427A1&KC=A1#
Entering in the espacenet 100 Mio + invention patent/application pages

and on the left for example entering "Description"

there to see "Translate this page into "         and           "Selected language"

and  beside : the automatic translator button in red ( GOOGLE TRANSLATOR QUALITY )

so there is mostly no barrier to not get the personal most favorated language for patent object expla(i)nation !
wmbr
OCWL

The description in that latest link eerily reminds me of one of my past motor builds here-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcOtwfQNck4

And I did make one with a horseshoe electromagnet shape, which definitely whipped.. 

I may revisit that idea afain in the near future

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Re: Floodrods Magnetic Testing Log
« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2022, 11:25:51 PM »
Sneak peak of the testing rig ready for later tonight...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKV5g8KNXro

The scraping sound you hear when the slider is under the magnets is the bottom vibrating against the end rail stop.  I will have to use a hand clamp when testing to lock it in place.

I am printing measuring sticks now to measure distance between the magnets at different intervals. And this test MAY NOT include RPM data.  I do have a hand cheapo RPM meter- but I am not sure I trust it.

I felt the forces by hand out of curiosity, and I can say I did not feel much difference in attraction forces either way.  But perhaps a trend will emerge when I test tonight..

I will post back later tonight with results.

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Re: Floodrods Magnetic Testing Log
« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2022, 02:01:12 AM »
A BIG Hype-Up for Bogus Results!

I started testing and saw like practically no changes in magnetic pull between the magnets at any speed.  So there was no need to continue.

Win some- Lose some..