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I'm pretty careful not to discourage any ones experiments.  After a while
one can    tend    to think they have seen or know it all, even though,
obviously there is No way that is true. 

Because there are so many different ways, different people will approach
a problem, there is always something new to learn from other peoples
experiments, if we take the time to really familiarize with it.

A first approach the essence of which is,
to get magnets to do work in such a manner that, the work is not then undone
in order to get the magnets to do that work again.

It has been reasonably          assumed,     that
there can be no overall gain in energy from magnet interactions other wise.

Many believe this is simply impossible and that the undoing of that work will always
occur in any complete cycling or reset of the event and therefore also a zero   net    gain
must always be arrived at.

          Many believe it is a waste of time to experiment along those lines.
                                I myself, don't fall into that category.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
A second approach.
Amazingly and even though it is reasonably    assumed    that there can be no
overall gain in energy from magnet interactions...
in which during a full cycle of their interacting,
all output energy or work, is returned into that system
in order to do reset / reverse it to the starting alignments,
                               there can still be a gain in energy.


floodrod quote

"If you are still keeping tabs on this topic, this statement has confused me since it was posted.
 Are we saying the initial throw takes > than 1.886 units of input force to get 1 unit out, but the next and opposite return throw will get > than 1.886 units out for 1 unit of input force?  So 1 complete revolutions output power is equal to input power?

end of that quote

User synchro, was referring to a specific / another / although related design.
In that method there is a  > 2  to 1 energy gain in one direction and a  > 2 to 1
energy loss in the reverse direction. 

That device falls into the "second approach" category.


It at may at first appear to be a useless interaction, but it is far from it.
                                      @
    https://overunity.com/14311/work-from-2-magnets-19-output-2/msg563518/#msg563518

"I wonder if speed could be exploited in resetting a device,"

                        Perform an especially designed test ?

Instead of scientific tests, I think this video test speaks the results..

"Great speeds pretty much nulls magnetic forces if the two objects are not in sync."

I currently see no reason why this could not be taken advantage of in terms of resetting a device.    Check It Out-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blC3zvR07bs

"It anything, (from initial observations),  spinning the magnet blows reciprocation away."

                                No doubt. 
Rotation is more power efficient almost always than is reciprocation, because it better
conserves momentum.

Very cool.

    Today you are some percentage less a "hack" than the day before.

    P.S
       and me too / thanks for sharing
          Also very cool.

Good question / excelllent direction in which to investigate  !

The dog bone shaped rotor has mass.

Any mass has a resistance to accelerating.
It takes time for it to get moving or to speed up.

If we push on it first in this direction and then in the opposite direction,
                  but also switch between these directions,
   quicker than the dog bone can get much of a start in moving
                         in one or the other direction... ?

What is the difference in the energy
         input by the electric motor
when the dog bone is first present
                     and
        then not at all present ?

This is difficult to measure.

The drill draws more electric power when it is under a mechanical load.

One thing is for certain, you are not switching magnetic polarities quicker
than a magnetic field can travel.   

Quicker than the mass of the dog bone allows for much acceleration against the
inertia of the dog bone ... yes

Is there a way to gain energy there ?


If the dog bone is not moving (not even vibrating or warming up),
 no energy is being transferred to the dog bone.

Your exploration / question is a good one, I think.

But also I think the video does not demonstrate something which answers
that question.

I concur...  The video does not prove much.  And you are correct- the dogbone does vibrate when standing still and I can hear different stresses in the bearings when moving the dogbone.  I can say without a shadow of a doubt, the magnetic fields are NOT completely nulled. I think as you suggested, the rotator magnet is switching polarities quicker than the dogbone mass can obtain momentum. But for certain, at a certain speed, the dogbone can be manipulated in any position without barely any opposing force.

I have fancier controllers and electronics on the way- I will be investigating further..

"If in fact the reaction I am witnessing is caused because the flipping of the magnetic fields is quicker than the mass can gain momentum, I think it can be exploited also.."

I agree / may be it can be exploited in some way that is benificial to the input
to output ratios.

What is the easiest / beat way to explore this ?   Not sure.

 regards

Floor

I generally expect new answers to rise up from the unconscious mind.
This usually means that I spend considerable time thinking the problem
through and clarifying a question or questions.  Then I set it aside with
the expectation that the answer will arise on its own.

Most think they are rational, open minded and objective however this is not true. If it was true we wouldn't have all these misunderstandings and problems we do. So we have proof this is not the case.

Knowing this we could ask how do we get around our mind creating a false reality limiting our progress?. The easiest way is to imagine the future, see what progress looks like then try to replicate it in the present. Unless of course we cannot imagine a better future then were basically screwed, lol.

On the Kundel motor we could ask what we expect to accomplish and why?. It's obviously an inferior design because it has too many moving parts and friction. Overunity?, why, where?, there is no apparent mechanism for gain. Personally I always work backwards understanding how a gain could be produced then build the device/technology around that mechanism for gain. Otherwise were just groping in the dark hoping to stumble onto something which seldom works out.

Regards
AC

I have some new info to add to the fast-spinning flipping of fields from today's work so far.  Deciphering it all is another story, so I am just going to keep posting my findings..

I now have 2 identical dogbone rotors on either side of the center spinning magnet.  The dogbone rotors are close enough to be within each others flux field with the center spinning magnet between them both. I am posting 2 videos with these results..

1. Video 1 shows what happens when the center spinning magnet is stationary.  As you can see, when I manually turn 1 rotor, the other rotor is locked in place by the fields of the center magnet.  Only a little attraction between the 2 rotors is seen.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJndTXtFm-8

(I guess this is expected as the center magnet is always in attraction mode to the other rotor).

2. Video 2 shows that happens when the center magnet is spinning at speeds greater than the rotor can gain momentum.  Now the 2 rotors flux fields pass through the spinning magnets fields and lock the rotors together.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RltupQlBTKg

and Once again I tried to confirm vibration in the rotors when the center is spinning.  I can not determine if the magnetic fields are adding to the vibration because the whole platform is a vibrating rig... 

On a side note- I got my nema 23 stepper in and broke it on the first day. LOL..  I have replacements ordered ..  I do have some nema 17's, but they are insufficient to turn the center magnet, so experimentation with timed rotations will have to wait.