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Re: Build 2
« Reply #105 on: February 20, 2022, 10:37:29 AM »
 I'll be doing 2 other tests after I make another video. One is testing 8 weights with 2 being
lifted and the other would be having weights roll towards the axle. With the 2nd one, it'd be
seeing how well just having the weight at the bottom and to the right of the axle on the
wheel. This gets into f = ma. And to explain that, I'd need to show how that allows for more
or quicker acceleration.

 Actually an Mt 1 type (not loose balls rolling around the wheel) with the retraction disc might work. I'll need to add a rim to try it. Then I could remove the braces between arms. Once the weight going up the left side rolls to the axle, the net overbalance will increase. This is where using a spring could shoot the weight out away from the axle.
 8 weight wheels lifting the top weights won't gain anything. Bessler did build a lot of wheels so he probably used a process of elimination. I do have my own design to finish designing as well. And if that gets built first, that's okay because I do have my own situation to resolve. And with Bessler, to redo it will take time.

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« Reply #106 on: February 20, 2022, 04:02:56 PM »
 With an iteration of Mt 1, in the attached image, the weight is closer to the hub. This would combine
Mt 1 with weights move towards and away from the axle while Bessler used a drum to lift weights. As
I know, a weight moving in on the left side is the same as a weight being lifted on the right side. And
in math, the inverse is always true. What is meant by this is that when the weight on the left moves
towards the axle, it increases net torque. When a weight is lifted, it increases net torque as well.
 One reduces resistance by about 1/2 while the other increases work by about 1/2. And with Occam's
Razor, the simpler idea should've been tried first. It'll be easy enough for me to mount 2 weights close
to the hub and it will most likely rotate 90°. What would need to be seen is the weight on the left
rolling in while the wheel rotates. That would mean removing the braces in its way and adding 2
temporary braces on the outside of the wheel. And if that works well then that would most likely be
what Bessler did.
 And with using springs, they would exert the same force as the mass of the weight. If the wheel
rotates well enough, then torque from the wheel could slowly increase the compression of the spring.
Then when released, the weight wheel could quickly move outward. The first iteration of this is
after verifying by testing would be to modify the frame for this.
 But I'll be focusing on the design work for the water wheel. Then I'll be able to start looking for someone
to build it for me. I need surgery and the water wheel would buy me time for building the last iteration
of what I've been building if I need the time.

p.s., I just did a very basic test and the acceleration was amazing. And I know people won't believe me
and that's okay. This will also create a slight problem. The screw the retraction line attaches to can't fit
between the discs. A "toggle" type mechanism can be built. And I might make the modification necessary
to do an actual test. I will because then I'd know once and for all if it can work. Then the question becomes
make it known or wait until I have a working wheel?
 Thanks to my new "toy" (an oscillating cutting/sanding tool) I'll be able to clean out the inside of the arms.
Then I could extend the tracks for the weight wheels along the entire length of the arm. Then that would
leave routing a rim for the outside of the wheel. Still, I need to make a video showing lifting weights doesn't
work but suggests that a weight rolling in might. This is simply because a weight can roll in in less than
22.5° of rotation and this decreases the force necessary to rotate the wheel according to f = ma. Lifting a
weight actually increases the amount of force needed to rotate the wheel.

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« Reply #107 on: February 21, 2022, 09:34:17 PM »
 This is how it works. With this, it would make 4 knocking sounds per revolution.
The only reason it stops rotating is because the lines that retract the weight wheel
stop it from continuing on.
 And with 4 weight wheels and 90+ degrees of rotation, what would allow for
something to work. And with a female wood worker that I am acquainted with, she
can build the water wheel. I want to do a show in Utrecht, Netherlands. And what she
builds could be a part of that show. Then girls could say that a woman can do more
than cook, clean and make babies when she becomes a young woman.
 From my perspective, because of tests that I did years ago I was looking for the
missing momentum and found it. With that said, how to build it? That part is often
overlooked. I will be editing that video a little for what I publish on my YouTube channel. In
that video I will add text that states that the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics as well
as Newton's Laws of Motion allow for conservation of energy. And a machine powered by
gravity is a perpetual motion machine.
 The technical argument is that gravity has no energy so it cannot be conserved. Gravity
is a force yet f = ma does not apply because NOTHING creates a gravitational field. I also
am well versed in physics because of my interest in atmospheric chemistry and physics.
 Basically what allows for gravity also allows for Coulomb's Law; 
https://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/estatics/Lesson-3/Coulomb-s-Law

 My video; https://youtu.be/obOjcxhmIcs

p.s., @Tarsier79, why not show this video in Bessler's wheel?

 The 2 links to Eddie and the Cruisers clips kind of show what happens when 2 things work together.

p.s., I am aware that witnesses said that 8 knocking sounds per revolution were heard. And it might
require 8 weight wheels. And it's possible that because of better bearings and lubricants today that
only 4 weight wheels would be needed.

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« Reply #108 on: February 22, 2022, 01:43:15 AM »
 WhaT HELPED TO MAKE bRUCE sPRINGSTEEN FAMOUS; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgIsyoxZ7Uw

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« Reply #109 on: February 22, 2022, 02:21:55 AM »

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« Reply #110 on: February 24, 2022, 01:06:34 AM »
  I ordered a table saw today. I figured out my best plan of action. I'll be building the underwater wheel.
I'll also be finishing the 4 weight wheel design. I doubt using 4 weights will work out of water. Realistically speaking, I'd say 6 weights.
 What I'll be doing is making a large aquarium. I've let a YouTuber know I'll let them have the tank build if they want it. My design works and I have surgery while they have an aquarium for their home. And I'd still have Bessler's wheel. With the table saw I bought, making an 8 armed frame would be too easy. And with the basic demonstration, what would keep me from trying 8 weights?

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« Reply #111 on: February 25, 2022, 10:12:34 PM »
 This is a better demonstration. I also explained the "Keel Effect" which people were meant to accept. And in the description is the reason why scientists say that perpetual motion is impossible, gravity has no energy. And I might be able to get a 4 weight wheel working. With what I'll be building next, it will be a lighter frame that encourages the weights to roll out above the axle.
 I think why this rotated better is that I removed a 1/4 inch thick spacer on each side of the wood wheels and then aligned everything better. With something like this, understanding f = ma and moment of inertia helps. This is because it helps to show where energy is being developed and what it's being spent on.
https://youtu.be/hxMdvrDcEcI

p.s., I also got my table saw (not the best but it will do) and I'll need to buy a shop vac to hook up to it.
If I can build something nice then maybe one day I'll have a shop.

p.s.s., with what's in the video, not worth sharing if it works. Perpetual motion is supposed to be special. I wouldn't want to be the person who disappoints people that way.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2022, 05:34:11 AM by Johnsmith »

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« Reply #112 on: February 27, 2022, 08:09:35 PM »
 I made a basic routing table. The routing table isn't finished. You can see the router underneath it. I have some parts that I'll need to shape. I'll be uploading a new video showing what I built can work. It rotates 90° and then the next weight rolls out. That shows it can reset the weights so it repeats it's movement 4 times per rotation. I'll need to make a mechanism to kick the weights outward.

p.s., I"ve already shot the video, I just need to edit it.  For"fun", I'll be adding a Ken Burns effect. Probably a couple of them. As shot, it shows it can work. What people will not understand is why scientists use the 2nd law of thermodynamics to say that perpetual motion is impossible.

p.s.s., it is odd. Proof will be shown. That has never happened so why now? And you'll see my work.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2022, 03:32:39 AM by Johnsmith »

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« Reply #113 on: February 28, 2022, 10:23:40 PM »
 I'll be making  a proper video for my YouTube channel. With this video, it is proof that the mechanics that
I've been learning can work. What people need to be mindful of is that I say this is Johann Bessler's work and it is not mine.
I am merely recreating his work. I do have some work left to do and have started on a proper build. People need to be
mindful that this is a prototype.
 With all of that said, I should've been allowed to enjoy pursuing this. I am not German and it is not a part of my history. The secret
is that instead of the drum rotating, the wheel rotates.
 Das Triumphirende Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum
Around the firmly placed horizontal axis is a rotating disc (low or narrow cylinder) which resembles a grindstone. This disc can be
called the principle piece of my machine. Accordingly, this wheel consists of an external wheel (or drum) for raising weights which
is covered with stretched linen.
https://besslerwheel.com/writings/das_triumphans.html

 The link to my video; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s26HbfwDFz8
In the video, I am pointing to the 3 weights in this drawing of Bessler's. And when combined with Mt 1 Bessler hid everything in plain sight.

p.s., I also have my pc up and running again. And now I might buy text books for analytical trig and calculus 1 & 2. Online courses can only
cover so much.

@Tarsier79, you might as well repost this in besslerwheel.com. Of course it's not perpetual motion until AB Hammer's name is on it. It working
doesn't matter because there is the keel effect. Even Bessler's pendulums show the keel effect. What people missed is that Bessler was showing
the spikes driven into Jesus when he was on the cross. Add the head or 4th weight and you have the right motion. It is odd that Christians like
rlortie and ab hammer didn't know what Bessler was referencing in his drawings. After all, Bessler was a devout Christian who wanted to start
a Christian engineering school.  :)

p.s.s, with the Merseburg wheel (the last image), there are 3 crosses. And when Jesus was crucified, there were 3 crosses. Christians base
their faith on there being 3 crosses. because Jesus was crucified with 2 thieves.

@All, I have contacted the librarian in the Netherlands and he'll see the video. And he has an original Bessler book. Just Google Utrecht University
and Johann Bessler if you want to see it.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2022, 12:56:07 AM by Johnsmith »

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« Reply #114 on: March 01, 2022, 05:18:06 PM »
 A better video. The song is One Word by the German rock bandThe Gäs.
 https://youtu.be/FbYZnqys_9A

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« Reply #115 on: March 02, 2022, 08:13:57 PM »
 This is some of what I am doing for the next iteration. Mahogany plywood and oak rails for the arms. I'll need to be careful ripping the 1/4 x 1 1/2 x 48 pieces so
the plywood doesn't tear. With what I have shown, I need to make assemblies that will kick out the weight wheels. Since I can't always use my power tools because
I have neighbors it might take a while,. ie. 3 or 4 weeks. And since that will basically be the last item then if the wheel can actually work then that will be known.
 With the next build, it should look pretty sharp. And when I only use 4 of the 8 arms, the 4 arms not used can have weight wheels added at a later date. Then at
that time how much work they can do might become known. You know, like powering a hoist to lift a pallet from the ground to the 2nd story of a building. After that,
how much water could be pumped or electricity generated? It could serve a humanitarian purpose as some have mentioned.

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« Reply #116 on: March 02, 2022, 11:47:06 PM »
 What's shown is a part that I need to make. The large round peg will go through the retraction disc. Then as the wheel
rotates the triangle will hit it. Then the triangle will rock very quickly moving everything to the right 1/4 of an inch. It's not
the distance but how hard the impact is. It's be like shooting pool or billiards.
 Then because the weight wheel assembly will be moving quickly, it will be able to release the retraction line. This is where
math helps to understand what to try. Taking a line from following a radius to following an ellipse shortens the distance
between 2 points. Not as much as a straight line but more than following the radius. I just want people to know that in my
opinion, the time I spent relearning or learning new math helped. And this is in terms of years of learning.
 And with what I call the "kicker", I designed that in my head. The reason for 4 points for a square dowel to go through is
because it limits the surface area that it moves over. This in turn reduces resistance. And with wood, if it is oiled it will
readily move. And this allows for a tighter movement which doesn't waste motion or energy. And now you're asking why use
a triangle? This allows the triangle to rotate on its fulcrum or axis of rotation. Trying to have 2 surfaces his each other that
moves laterally would create resistance. This is because the "cue" would be moved upward causing it to bind. It's a "little"
trick but one that will make a difference.
 Isn't it interesting how I expect a 1/4 inch lateral movement to allow the wheel to work? And with a working wheel, I will
prove that gravity does indeed have energy. This gets into physics and it is a pet peeve of mine that scientists believe that
gravity is metaphysical. They're only validating your daily horoscope. Does the universe have an energy that affects us? I
don't know. Yet gravity does so life is strange.

p.s., it will take me at least 2 weeks to make the necessary assemblies. The work I'll be doing on my next build gives me
something to do. I do have neighbors so I do need to limit how much I use my noisy power tools. Use my bench top drill or
orbital sander is allowed. Using my jigsaw, router, miter or table saw has to be limited.
 With all of that said, having an actual wheel that shows it can work allowed to me to consider what I needed to do. This is
a part of research and development. That's basically problem solving one step at a time.

p.s.s., with my previous post, I ripped a lot of 3/8 x 1/2 x 48 inch long rectangular dowels. Once glued to a board then they'll
be cut again to make the tracks for the weight wheel assemblies.

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« Reply #117 on: March 05, 2022, 12:26:00 AM »
 I got my new miter saw today. I'll be well prepared for finishing my current build and starting on my next one.The attached image.
THX4 has something that might work if modified. There are 2 reasons why I build the weight wheel assemblies the way I did.
With perpetual motion, it is about conserving momentum. And this gets into a nasty discussion about what relationship kinetic
energy has with it. Science hasn't gone there yet unless you consider MC^2 which is not about a photon of light having both
an angular and linear velocity of "c". I actually got banned from a  physics forum for saying that's what it represents.
 Einstein was into what propagated the motion of light and how light interacted with the space it was in. His work isn't viewed
in that context so that might explain why it's debated today. And Bessler said that his weights rolled in a track. Physics was new
then so Bessler might have realized a basic principle of physics without having realized it. He just new things moved faster one
way rather than the other.

p.s., over time working at something allows people to collect a few tools to work with.
p.s.s., Next week the video I'll be showing will allow anyone wanting to replicate my build will see the details.

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« Reply #118 on: March 05, 2022, 10:48:56 AM »
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il s'agit de conserver l'élan




https://youtu.be/8akaHx9La9A



Salut John,
Il y a bien sûr gravité + inertie, et pour le reset, il suffirait de boucher les trous pendant un temps très court pour transformer la roue en disque d'inertie, il n'y a rien d'autre à comprendre.... C'est ça le secret lol.
Il y a juste un petit problème, en ce qui me concerne, je n'ai pas encore trouvé comment.
Si quelqu'un trouve en effet comment la "physique classique" peut bien dormir.
A++



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« Reply #119 on: March 05, 2022, 05:59:53 PM »



https://youtu.be/8akaHx9La9A



Salut John,
Il y a bien sûr gravité + inertie, et pour le reset, il suffirait de boucher les trous pendant un temps très court pour transformer la roue en disque d'inertie, il n'y a rien d'autre à comprendre.... C'est ça le secret lol.
Il y a juste un petit problème, en ce qui me concerne, je n'ai pas encore trouvé comment.
Si quelqu'un trouve en effet comment la "physique classique" peut bien dormir.
A++


  On Monday I will send you a patent application. I will be able to apply for a Provisional patent for us with the USPTO.
https://www.uspto.gov/patents/basics/types-patent-applications/provisional-application-patent
 When I submit a copy with copied signatures, they will not accept it. What that will do is allow for the time it takes to mail a copy with actual signatures.
Then they will be able to continue with the patent application.
After I send you the copy so we can have documentation that it is our invention, then I will post the design and the math in here. And please consider
how well this rotates, it shows that I understand the math.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbYZnqys_9A

 J'avais peur que tu sois contrarié.

p.s., I just verified the math and by averaging the minimum and maximum over balance, there is a strong chance of it working.

 Nous pouvons déposer en ligne. Puisque vous allez le construire, je peux payer les frais de dossier de 75 $.
C'est si vous souhaitez travailler ensemble.
https://www.uspto.gov/patents/apply