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### Author Topic: Build 2  (Read 33431 times)

#### Johnsmith

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« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2022, 05:12:07 PM »
is to my YouTube channel. I have ordered a video camera so I'll be able to make better videos.
Then I'll be able to zoom in to show details.
And as for Bessler's wheel, it's okay if people don't have the time to learn why it works. If a
person isn't interested in building one then why it works is because energy can be conserved.
The Moon orbiting the Earth is an example of conserved energy. After this, it becomes
complicated. Why no one has replicated Bessler's work in over 300 years.

#### Johnsmith

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« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2022, 02:47:23 AM »
And after this will probably be another \$120 for lead. More weight means more torque.
It is an expensive project. At the same time I can calculate the Moon and the Earth orbiting
each other and then around the Sun. That's applying Newton's gravity in astrophysics. Newton's
work on gravity is actually basic astrophysics.  The math is in the attached image. Bessler was 7
when Newton wrote his En Principia so he might've been aware of it. It was the "new" math and
radical thinking back in the day.
As to why the Moon orbits the Earth, Einstein said that space is warped by a gravitational
field. Newton's work is a generalization so to speak.
As for perpetual motion, it is impossible. Conserving energy is what happens inside the universe.

#### Johnsmith

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« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2022, 02:52:47 PM »
If you consider the Earth and the Moon, their union is gravity which they both have. Then they become the set
Earth union Moon. Then when you consider the Sun, their relationships becomes (Earth union Moon) union Sun.
This is because the set Earth union Moon orbits the set Sun. And then we have the basis for our solar system.
After this it can be considered that the set Earth union Moon wobbles because of how they affect each other
because of their union gravity and their linear velocities. With celestial bodies, the spin on their axis is angular
momentum while their velocity through space is linear momentum. And then because the Sun is moving through
space, the set Earth union Moon's orbit around it is elliptical.
Maybe understanding what we know works will help you guys to understand what isn't known? And with what
I'm working on, it will be slow going. It's just that if it works then it will take time for it to become known as well.
Why my going slow now will make a difference if it works. I won't expect it to become known right away. And with
what I've mentioned in this post is what might have helped me to consider the math and mechanics behind Bessler's Wheel.

#### kolbacict

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« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2022, 03:40:02 PM »
Now, if you could build a Bessler wheel the size of half the distance to the moon. It would spin.
Because two dispersed masses. And on the surface of the earth, we with a small wheel have only
a gravitational field of conservative force.

#### Johnsmith

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« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2022, 04:40:43 PM »
Now, if you could build a Bessler wheel the size of half the distance to the moon. It would spin.
Because two dispersed masses. And on the surface of the earth, we with a small wheel have only
a gravitational field of conservative force.

It seems that I was right about you. What does gravity being a conservative force mean? Whose
force is it conserving? As you said, if I'd only put it in layman's terms then everyone would find out
that there's nothing difficult about it, no learning required.
With "gravity is a conservative force", I've heard that for a decade and those people cannot explain what
it means. At the same time I know what gravity is and what it is relative to. I can do the math. And I find
that helps.
I do have a lot of work to do on my build. It is going well but I have a lot parts to finish making. I want to
have it built so that I'll only need to make for more weight wheel assemblies and add more weight. And you
have shown where my discussing my work isn't a good idea. I've had to tolerate skeptics like you in here
and at besslerwheel.com. I just find it strange that people will spend time in a perpetual motion forum but
will have no interest in understanding what can allow for it.

p.s., if I get the work done that I'm doing, then with my next video I'll be able to mention it as it will allow me
to do testing of an actual wheel to find out if it can actually work. This gets into more math because more
weight means more dead weight while increasing the amount of torque generated by its overbalance. The
resistance in the bearings won't change much if I add several hundred pounds of weight to the wheel. That's
why bearings don't overheat when an axle is rotating at several thousand rpm. I've worked with such
equipment before which is why I know that.

p.s.s., I let a guy имя Сергей Я буду работать с ему. But first I need to show my work. It's just that his girlfriend
posted something to me in English about his work. She reminded me of Mt 67. Still, for what they're "on" about, I
already have a design in mind. And what they don't understand is that we'll need to be co-inventors. While it will
work, why give a business a free product? As for my Russian, o его, его oчень плохо.

I'll probably only finish a 1/4 section (allows for 2 working weight wheel assemblies to move) for now. It s a lot of
work which also includes pouring new weights. The 2 pictures are of how I make my own pulleys and how they are
mounted. And since I am handicapped, etc., plan on taking things slow.

#### Johnsmith

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« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2022, 11:55:49 PM »
If what I'm doing works, I might destroy my build and walk away from this (Bessler did). It is that toxic of a subject
and once I can have surgery, I'll have no need for it.
One person was even telling everyone that I killed someone and then to hear ad nauseum "gravity is a conservative
force" like it means something. Yet no one can do basic math. That's basically how cause and effect can be considered.
This is where I think even with a working wheel a lot of people will say fraud. As my "killer" accuser said, they had to
protect their credibility.
And as far as this goes, can I discuss it with anyone? I can't. Who needs that in their life? Nobody I know.

Once I have it mostly completed, maybe still needing the weights to be poured I'll make a quick video using my phone.
Then I can be ready for when I get my new video camera and make a decent video.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2022, 05:14:34 AM by Johnsmith »

#### kolbacict

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« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2022, 07:47:45 AM »
Quote
This is where I think even with a working wheel a lot of people will say fraud.
Without a doubt. They are such people ... I know it by myself experience.
Quote
Who needs that in their life? Nobody I know.
I know one such person. This is me.

conservative forces when work in a circle, when we return to the starting point is zero. It seems so?
And when there are two separate masses,
moon and earth, it is really possible to get a profit there.
And I think people have been using it for a long time.
Tidal power plants, for example.

#### Johnsmith

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« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2022, 05:24:32 PM »
Without a doubt. They are such people ... I know it by myself experience. :)I know one such person. This is me.

conservative forces when work in a circle, when we return to the starting point is zero. It seems so?
And when there are two separate masses,
moon and earth, it is really possible to get a profit there.
And I think people have been using it for a long time.
Tidal power plants, for example.

conservative forces when work in a circle, when we return to the starting point is zero.

Okay. With gravity, I consider it a directional energy flow. And as you mentioned about wave/tide generators, strong and weak gravity
fields.
With what I am building, it is going well. The 2 lines show how the retraction lines will cross. This is important to understand. This is
because when the line goes from the larger pulley to the retraction disc, it needs to be at 90º to the axle. This allows the retraction
line to maintain its relationship parallel to how the weight wheel assembly moves up the arm.
I will be able to set it up to do some testing but will need to get different lag screws to cut for the pulley axles. That's not an issue as
it will be next month when I can make the other 4 weight wheel assemblies. For basic testing I'll freeze water in bottles. This will provide
the extra weight/mass needed to see how well the wheel will rotate with 8 weight wheels on it. And then if it can't rotate 45º, more math
will need to be done.
Why 45º? After every 45º of rotation a weight wheel will roll out while the weight wheels in the bottom left will move inward on their
respective arms. And if the wheel rotates 45º then it could work when it is finished. At the same time, it would rotate more quickly if I add
2 lbs./1 kg per weight wheel. And after that if it still doesn't work, I'll build an easier to understand perpetual motion machine.

p.s.,  The way the retraction lines will be connected to 2 fulcrums some people will find confusing. Yet this is necessary if it is to work.

A couple of fotos showing how I am building my weight wheels. A rectangular weight will go on the inside. I had made some spacers out
of a round oak dowel and will need to find them. While the weight wheel is off from one side to the next, this is a prototype so that's okay.
If it works then a better wheel can be built or this one can be overhauled or both.
And if I need to add more weight, another round weight can be placed behind the weight with the wood square in the middle. The way I
am building it will allow for that.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2022, 09:34:24 PM by Johnsmith »

#### Johnsmith

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« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2022, 06:39:00 PM »
At the moment I'm making spacers out of oak for my weight wheels. I'm also ready to start pouring new lead weights.
Nylon bushings can be a bit expensive and I have the time. I have enough pulleys on the wheel for testing. And my camera
is about to be shipped. I'll finish placing the round dowels for the pulleys. I usually have to hand sand their locations so
they'll fit. I'll probably need to buy more lag bolts. They have a smooth shank which I use for the pulleys to ride on. I
should've bought longer ones.
And since I do have my own build that I'm working on, with the 2 oscillation/Malkovic pendulum, maybe thx4 or kolbacist
will consider it? I'll be showing 2 different ways that might work. One will use gears while the other will use pulleys and leverage.

p.s., with the block that is clamped down, when on its narrow edge, I can saw the spacers. Then when it's lying flat, I can drill them.
I do have a miter saw and a drill press, I also have a neighbor as well so I do need to be quiet.

#### kolbacict

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« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2022, 07:24:30 PM »
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#### Johnsmith

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« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2022, 09:11:11 PM »
Thnaks kb.
With some of the work that I've been doing, how the wheel rolls on the arm. I'll need to make some adjustments
but have time. With the weight wheel, I had to file down the lead blanks so they'd fit. I need to get me a table saw
and a router table. Maybe in the next month or 2.
And next week I should be posting a video of testing this concept. I might do 3 different tests. In the video I would
explain why each one matters or how they work together to show what I'm doing.

#### Johnsmith

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« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2022, 07:13:29 PM »
I've got all of the weights seated in their frames. I should have my camera tomorrow. This means that
I should be able to make some videos this weekend which I can edit into 1 video. It would show why
45º of rotation have the weights shift so the sequence can be repeated.
And with that, also a test showing how 2 overbalanced can rotate 2 other weight wheels. That would
show where torque is being generated, After that, tests would be to determine how much weight on
each weight wheel would be needed to rotate a complete wheel. I know it is slow going but this is to
ensure that each step leads towards a working wheel which is the ultimate goal.

#### Johnsmith

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« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2022, 11:07:48 PM »
I got my camera today and I'm looking forward to making my next video. My local library has Apple computers with Final Cut Pro 10.
I've got a decent amount of experience using their software. I will try to explain why I think this is Bessler's wheel and why I think it will work.
With what Bessler said;
Around the firmly placed horizontal axis is a rotating disc (low or narrow cylinder) which resembles a grindstone. This disc can be called the principle piece of my machine. Accordingly, this wheel consists of an external wheel (or drum) for raising weights which is covered with stretched linen.
https://besslerwheel.com/writings/das_triumphans.html

The disc that I am using to lift weights with is a 1/4 section of a round drum. Instead of the drum rotating, the wheel does. And this causes a line
to wrap around the 1/4 drum section in the same way it would if the 1/4 drum section were rotating. And this is where "free energy" comes from.
Because no work is being used to lift the weight closer to the axle, it decreases counter-torque. And this is what I plan on demonstrating.

With the 3 drawings, the line is wrapping around the green part of the drum as the wheel rotates. The weight that has moved towards the axle is
still the same distance from the top right corner of the green area. And with where the line goes towards the bottom of the green area, it is
maintaining a right angle to the axle of the wheel. This is a necessary relationship that needs to be maintained. When the wheel is rotated 45º
(2nd image), that same relationship exists.

#### kolbacict

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« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2022, 01:41:24 PM »
Has english subtitles.
About how the boy found a way out of what seemed like a hopeless situation.

#### Johnsmith

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« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2022, 03:39:19 PM »
Has english subtitles.
About how the boy found a way out of what seemed like a hopeless situation.

In a way the King in the video is like a group of people who controlled this forum and besslerwheel.com. They
would say you don't know how perpetual motion works. And if the reply was "I am working at it" then they would
say prove it to me.
There are ways that conservation of energy is possible but they needed it to be called "perpetual motion". And
with the situation that I am working through, I needed to be able to work with someone. But now I have a room
where I can build.
I think though in a way Tsars could be replaced with scientists who want to laugh at people pursing a way to conserve
energy. The basic mistake that scientists have made is saying that while gravity is a force it has no energy. And this is
why they say the Earth's gravity cannot be conserved. Conservation of energy requires something to have energy.
If gravity has no energy then it cannot be conserved. Since f = ma which suggests that gravity has energy. But energy
would be considered as KE (kinetic energy) = 1/2mv^2. This would be to suggest that space has mass.
From here we jump to why light bends more when passing by the Sun than an asteroid or other celestial body does
than what Newton's gravity allows for. Since light interacts equally with space and time, what space is it interacting with?
And now we can wonder, does gravity have energy which we observe as force? If so, can it be conserved?

p.s., A historical fact. And guys even kolbacict might not know this. The city of Yekaterinburg, Russia was founded by a man
from France and a Russian. In the 1800's Russia basically stopped at Perm so 2 guys traveled across the Ural Mountains to
avoid paying taxes to the Tsar.  Yekaterinburg as a result became a center from processing ore.
Now you guys can wonder how does someone living in Kentucky, USA know this?