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Offline Johnsmith

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« Reply #60 on: January 26, 2022, 11:24:50 PM »
"Centrifugal force is the apparent force, equal and opposite to centripetal force".

They much like unto Newton's action and reaction co-define one another.

I am more certain now than even before. You have no understanding of what
you are talking about.  Half of what you say has no meaning.  Not only this
but you reveal a decide lack of integrity on your part. It's no wonder
(as you have previously stated) that you are disliked and end up in petty quarrels
on these forums.  It is    you      that does not understand the mechanics.

You should keep to your word and stop positng in your topic, as you previously
stated that you would.  At least until such time as you have learned how to
communicate.


  You sound like AB Hammer. And he has used aliases before. If I understand correctly, you don't want me
posting in this forum because I make you look bad. You understand that an opinion is valid but math isn't.
 And what AB Hammer said, the keel effect he promoted said that perpetual motion was impossible. Yep,
and he was harassing me when I had cancer.
 https://overunity.com/6900/my-current-build/msg162524/#msg162524
 
 And when I had severe complications from cancer. He liked getting me banned from forums. Yet he's never been banned
for attacking me when making wild claims.
https://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4656

 And his work; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2XTzFZpYK0

And yet that's what people like. What you say floor is about all I've heard in here or at besslerwheel.com. Anybody who
works at something gets ran off.
 And this is John Collins granddaughter; https://www.tiktok.com/@amyepohl
John Collins wrote a book about Bessler that is usually referenced because of translations that he paid for. Yet he is okay
with my being attacked for working through severe medical hardship. I doubt he'd support anyone attacking his granddaughter.
John is  apart of orpheus.org which owns besslerwheel.com. Yet attacking someone who has multiple disabilities and handicaps is okay.
And that's because I actually work at realizing Bessler's wheel so I can have surgery. And anymore as you've shown, that's all I can consider
and nothing to do with discussing my work with other people.
 It's okay, I'm close enough to being finished, a couple of months, you just reminded me why I've been working offline except for youtube.

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« Reply #61 on: January 26, 2022, 11:48:27 PM »
Johnsmith
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And when I had severe complications from cancer. He liked getting me banned from forums. Yet he's never been banned
for attacking me when making wild claims.
https://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4656

 And his work; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2XTzFZpYK0

And yet that's what people like. What you say floor is about all I've heard in here or at besslerwheel.com. Anybody who
works at something gets ran off.

Indeed that would seem to be the standard operating procedure...

Many are relentless in there criticism gaslighting others then when they receive criticism they feign incredulity and whine that they are the victims. Even more bizarre is the circular reasoning they use that there way must always be right despite the fact they have never succeeded. How can one claim to be more right but always be equally wrong in never producing positive results?.

In my opinion you have done and shown an incredible amount of work on this technology. More than anyone here that I know of lately, keep up the good work.

Regards
AC






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« Reply #62 on: January 27, 2022, 12:56:07 AM »
Johnsmith you are relentless in your criticism, gaslighting others, then when you receive criticism you feign incredulity and whine that you are a victim. Even more bizarre is the circular reasoning you use that your way must always be right despite the fact you have never succeeded. How can one claim to be more right but always be equally wrong in never producing positive results?.

In my opinion you have done and shown an incredible amount of work on this technology.
 More than anyone here that I know of lately, keep up the good work.

But still, next time you feel like putting words in my mouth or quoting me out of context
in such a manner as to make it appear as though I have a low opinion of the general
membership here at the O.U. forum, be prepared to pay the piper.  MO FO.  Because we
have some of the best and brightest on board here, deeply into mathematics or
otherwise.  I have a low tolerance for elitism.

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« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2022, 02:24:20 AM »
Johnsmith
Indeed that would seem to be the standard operating procedure...

Many are relentless in there criticism gaslighting others then when they receive criticism they feign incredulity and whine that they are the victims. Even more bizarre is the circular reasoning they use that there way must always be right despite the fact they have never succeeded. How can one claim to be more right but always be equally wrong in never producing positive results?.

In my opinion you have done and shown an incredible amount of work on this technology. More than anyone here that I know of lately, keep up the good work.

Regards
AC


  I think I'll stay out of this forum. Floor is right. And I saw tonight posts from a few years ago where people thought the moderator was doing a poor job because of the amount of trolling that was allowed. It's because perpetual motion is impossible unless you consider the universe itself. I'll be making a video in a couple of weeks and it will show more of what I'm doing. This will be a part of it https://youtu.be/7PBSzdEFnb0
 Bessler said that as one weight moved away from the axle that another weight moved towards it. I guess forums are like church, who's been going there the longest and has gotten people to like them. It's just that there was a group of people who controlled both this forum and besslerwheel.com and pretty much ruined them for everybody.

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Re: Build 2
« Reply #64 on: January 27, 2022, 11:18:45 AM »

Je pense qu'il est inutile de lire ou croire Bessler voir, s'orienter sur ses indices est le meilleur moyen de se perdre. Bessler n'avait aucun intérêt à divulguer sa technique de son vivant... Il n'a laissé aucun héritage à ses enfants, eh bien il est mort subitement, au bénéfice du doute, pas le temps de faire un testament....
La seule chose plausible qu'il nous a laissée, ce sont les témoignages, donc on pourrait croire que la roue a vraiment existé, ce que je crois.
Avant Bessler RIEN, Après Bessler jusqu'à présent pas grand chose.
J'ai pensé plusieurs fois que j'avais mis le doigt sur le Graal, j'ai beaucoup appris des différents prototypes, je peux dire qu'il y a deux forces, la gravité + l'inertie.
John, ne nous emballons pas, restons créatifs, et surtout récréatifs...
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Re: Build 2
« Reply #65 on: January 27, 2022, 04:15:47 PM »
Johnsmith
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Bessler said that as one weight moved away from the axle that another weight moved towards it.

I took a crack at the Milkovic dual pendulum and the Bessler wheel around ten years ago but it never panned out.

The Milkovic dual pendulum produces a beat note on the lever between the pendulums. So as side A increases its swing side B decreases and vice versa. I also found any chaotic input is absorbed into the resonant frequency within a few beats. I used a 24" lever, two 12" pendulums with 4 lb weights all on 1/4" ball bearings. Learned a lot about pendulums and resonance...

The Bessler wheel is still an enigma. I found with levers, pulleys and gears the force-distance from center rule applies. However many inventors of the past referred to a universal movement just as Bessler did. It relates to a kind of motion within any field (Electric, Magnetic, Gravic) which has the ability to extract energy from it. That is a kind of motion or process which can occur within a uniform gradient where the result is non-uniform.

It may relate to what I call the levered lever whereby the weight does not move but it's weight distribution or center of mass does. Here we need to be careful because the "weight" can move but it's referring to the property of the mass not the mass in itself. That is an apparent motion without a physical one by displacing the center of mass. To move the weight without moving the weights...

It's quite a mystery and I revisit the concept every now and then as I learn new things.

Regards
AC


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« Reply #66 on: January 27, 2022, 06:19:51 PM »
Johnsmith
I took a crack at the Milkovic dual pendulum and the Bessler wheel around ten years ago but it never panned out.

The Milkovic dual pendulum produces a beat note on the lever between the pendulums. So as side A increases its swing side B decreases and vice versa. I also found any chaotic input is absorbed into the resonant frequency within a few beats. I used a 24" lever, two 12" pendulums with 4 lb weights all on 1/4" ball bearings. Learned a lot about pendulums and resonance...

The Bessler wheel is still an enigma. I found with levers, pulleys and gears the force-distance from center rule applies. However many inventors of the past referred to a universal movement just as Bessler did. It relates to a kind of motion within any field (Electric, Magnetic, Gravic) which has the ability to extract energy from it. That is a kind of motion or process which can occur within a uniform gradient where the result is non-uniform.

It may relate to what I call the levered lever whereby the weight does not move but it's weight distribution or center of mass does. Here we need to be careful because the "weight" can move but it's referring to the property of the mass not the mass in itself. That is an apparent motion without a physical one by displacing the center of mass. To move the weight without moving the weights...

It's quite a mystery and I revisit the concept every now and then as I learn new things.

Regards
AC


  As you said (and it is what everyone is taught);
"I found with levers, pulleys and gears the force-distance from center rule applies."

 The disc is not a part of the wheel. It doesn't move because the wheel, its levers, pulleys etc. move or rotate.
The disc is considered an outside force (resistance which can be measured in ohms in an electrical circuit) just
as the Earth's gravity (g = G(m/r^2)) of 9.81 m/s is an outside force.

 This is the basic principle that I believe Bessler used. If you notice the weight wheel moving towards the axle, watch from 17 seconds to 22 seconds,
no part of the wheel is moving it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=935Ktoxw1fM

 And this violates math. This is because the lines attached to the weight wheel and the fulcrum remain the same length. This
is where liking math actually helps. This is because you have line segment A - Z which is x inches/cm long. Then you can ask
"How can you shorten the distance between points A and Z while the line segment A - Z stays the same length?". And if a person
isn't familiar with math then this will be a problem. This is because they won't understand how to solve such a simple problem.
That's where learning to understand that is up to the person. And this is where a basic graph like the unit circle wheel can help.
 The radius is always considered to be 1 unless otherwise stated. The distance from the point of origin to (-1,0) to Pi is (1, 0).
The length of Pi is PiR (πr) ( which is 3.142 * 1 = 3.142. Yet the shortest distance between A and Z is 2.  With Pi and r, they are a ratio.
The radius determines the values of both Pi and r because r is the radius. And the length of 1/2 of a circle is πr.
 And I have studied a lot of math so this is just getting into the basics. If someone hasn't spent time learning math, then this will be
new to them. It is what it is.

 p.s., with this image, some might say it isn't graphed yet it uses (x, y) coordinates. It's that it's formula isn't shown. That basic
expression is factored as a sinx (a/b + c) + d.

 And the shortest distance from (-1, 0) to (1, 0) is 2. The circumference of 1/2 of the circle is πr or 3.142 x 1 = 3.142.  The shortest
distance is 3.142 - 2 = 1.142 shorter than the length of 1/2 of the circle. This is the role the retraction disc or what Bessler called
a drum plays in the design. It's actually π/2 = 1.57 for every 1 unit of its radius.
 If a person can't understand this then they need a math tutor and that's not something that I have the time for. 

 And once I demonstrate a working wheel, I will walk away from this. I will say that AB Hammer was my teacher because he is a Christian.
He is a teacher and even Stefan Hartmann acknowledges that Christians are our shepherds. AB Hammer does know what the Bible says.
That is why he is well liked. And so everything I say and do is in the name of AB Hammer. And only AB Hammer can say what it is that I
am building. Is it a perpetual wheel or not and whose wheel is it if it is a wheel? AB Hammer's or Bessler's? I can't say I know.
As AB Hammer said, all I know is how to worker and that workers need a good shepherd.


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Re: Build 2
« Reply #67 on: January 27, 2022, 07:53:45 PM »
Johnsmith
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As you said (and it is what everyone is taught);
"I found with levers, pulleys and gears the force-distance from center rule applies."

The disc is not a part of the wheel. It doesn't move because the wheel, its levers, pulleys etc. move or rotate.
The disc is considered an outside force (resistance which can be measured in ohms in an electrical circuit) just
as the Earth's gravity (g = G(m/r^2)) of 9.81 m/s is an outside force.

I would agree and Bessler said as much, he claimed the wheel or circular outer form was not even needed and was simply a means to hide the inner workings. Quote: "My wheel revolves, but without other wheels inside or outside". As such we can deduce that the inner mechanisms could be a stand alone unit and take almost any form.

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Is it really a wheel? For it does not have a normal rim. Rim that you see is just to hide the mechanism. If I uncover it you
would then ask whether this is really a wheel. My wheel revolves, but without other wheels inside or outside, and without
weights, wind or springs. When my wheel seen sideways or full-face it is as bright as a peacockÂ’s tail. It turns to the
right and the left; it spins around in either direction, laden or empty. – Bessler (Ramananda,
 "Dialogues at the Castle of Weissenstein")

Here we could also deduce Bessler's system is not a wheel but a system of coordinated levers and other mechanisms.

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The levers loaded with heavy weights as viewed from the side, may be compared to side views of
many children playing with very heavy clubs among tall broken columns. The strongest of the children
cannot lift the lightest of the clubs. Still, each child can swing (or you might call it "step" as it uses a club
as a "leg") from the top of one broken column to the top of the next broken column by positioning his heavy
club on the ground between the two close columns and holding on to the handle end to swing over to the top
of the next column.
Then he rotates the handle end of his club to maneuver it between his current column and
his next intended column so that he can again "step" or swing a small angle over to the top of the next intended
 broken column. If the clubs are even heavier by being double-ended, then instead of rolling them to the next
position, they may be alternatively transported between the columns by switching ends.
A double club may be moved in seesaw fashion by leaning it against the current broken column that the child is
on and rolling it over the top of the column (assuming that there is enough room for the child to stay on top of the column).
The double club is pivoted with a circular motion with one end going up while the other end goes down.
 Â– Bessler (Ramananda, "Dialogues at the Castle of Weissenstein")

Here Bessler mentions the "universal movement" which many other inventors also made claims to.

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"Unlike all other automata, such as clocks or springs, or other hanging weights which require winding up,
or whose duration depends on the chain which attaches them, these weights, on the contrary, are the essential parts,
and constitute the perpetual motion itself; since from them is received the universal movement which they must
exercise so long as they remain out of the centre of gravity; and when they come to be placed together, and so
arranged one against another that they can never obtain equilibrium, or the punctum quietus which they unceasingly
 seek in their wonderfully speedy flight, one or other of them must apply its weight at right angles to the axis,
which in its turn must also move."
- Bessler, 1717

I have been working on this problem for some time and found, as is often the case, that most of the information on the internet is hearsay. If we look at the real literature by Bessler it's not even a wheel but a machine most likely designed to alter the center of gravity of the masses in such a way they can never find equilibrium. This is the true nature of the problem and anything else comes after the fact in my opinion.

We should never make a problem any more or less complex than it needs to be with respect to finding a solution...

Regards
AC

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« Reply #68 on: January 27, 2022, 09:07:06 PM »
 As onepower quoted Bessler;
My wheel revolves, but without other wheels inside or outside, and without weights, wind or springs.

 Then Bessler said;
The levers loaded with heavy weights as viewed from the side, may be compared to side views of
many children playing with very heavy clubs among tall broken columns.

 This is why Stefan and AB Hammer are Christians. They pray and wait for someone to be the answer
to their prayers that accepts their Christian leadership. After all, Bessler said he did not use weights
and yet he uses heavy weights.
 
 And in all these years no one has considered using math. I think I am the only person who understood
that to understand Bessler's maschinen tractate https://besslerwheel.com/writings.html math is needed.
In Bessler's other writings, Apologia Poetica he apologizes for having destroyed his wheel and says that he will
shower people with words. In his Das Triumphirende Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum he explains why he was
successful.
 Everyone at besslerwheel.com does not understand what those 3 writings represent. And I think it is because they're
not familiar with mechanical engineering and math.  It would be interesting to know what the Grundlicher Bericht (Thorough Report)
- Kassel, 1715 is about but the other 3 explain everything. And I have shown where math matters. It lets me know that everything
else that Bessler wrote is for people who like puzzles. And after I finish my build and it works then people can consider what it all means.
 And for what Bessler built, is it just what I'll show or is there something more to be realized?
« Last Edit: January 28, 2022, 02:00:43 AM by Johnsmith »

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« Reply #69 on: January 28, 2022, 07:18:43 AM »
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As onepower quoted Bessler;
My wheel revolves, but without other wheels inside or outside, and without weights, wind or springs.

I believe when Bessler said "without weights, wind or springs" he was referring to mechanisms commonly found in clocks which power them. As you say, in other places he claims the device does use eight heavy weights.

It's quite a mystery and a very interesting problem. I hope someone does solve it some day...

Regards
AC

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« Reply #70 on: January 28, 2022, 12:01:16 PM »
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is where liking math actually helps. This is because you have line segment A - Z which is x inches/cm long. Then you can ask
"How can you shorten the distance between points A and Z while the line segment A - Z stays the same length?".
If you use the third dimension. Like distance on the surface of a sphere.
Just like airplanes do when they move between two points, shifting their
 trajectory towards the poles. Am I not saying that? ???

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« Reply #71 on: January 28, 2022, 04:19:45 PM »
If you use the third dimension. Like distance on the surface of a sphere.
Just like airplanes do when they move between two points, shifting their
 trajectory towards the poles. Am I not saying that? ???


 I see you are familiar with navigation. If someone travels from Lisbon, Portugal to New York City,
they are both about 40° N latitude.
 With the math, the relationship between latitude 40° (sin40) and latitude 60° (sin60) is that
sin 40 is 0.766 while sin 60 is 0.5 or 1.532:1. This means that each degree traveled at 40° latitude is
1.532 times longer than going past the southern tip of Greenland which is at 60° latitude. 
 This shows that by taking a northern or southern route (depending on which hemisphere you are in) it is
closer to a straight line that traveling laterally around a sphere which is not a straight line. It is the
circumference of the Earth that is traveled.
 And with the 2nd image, a straight line from Lisbon to NYC would go through the Earth. At 40° latitude, that
line would go 1000 km or 600 miles into the Earth at that latitude.
 Needless to say I find math helps me to understand what I am doing. And with the radius of the Earth being
4000 miles or 6400 kilometers, the relationship to latitudes is a sine function. This means that 2π * r can be
multiplied by sinx to get the same answer as (radius * sinx) * 2π = circumference.
 And with the 2nd image, the straight line would go about 1000 km or 600 miles into the Earth.

p.s., Iceland is actually 64° latitude. When I vacationed in Yekaterinburg, Russia, we flew over Iceland at night
(I could see Reykjavik). Reykjavik was lit up and was the only light to be seen so obviously it was an isolated
area which Reykjavic is. That flight went from NYC to Moscow. And Moscow is 55.75° N latitude.
 And the island above the de in latitude is Iceland. Reykjavik is its capital.

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« Reply #72 on: January 28, 2022, 07:25:35 PM »
Would using the third dimension help with your wheel problem?

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Iceland is actually 64° latitude. When I vacationed in Yekaterinburg, Russia, we flew over Iceland at night
(I could see Reykjavik).
I envy

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« Reply #73 on: January 28, 2022, 07:52:49 PM »
Would using the third dimension help with your wheel problem?
I envy


 If you look at the 2nd image in the previous post, it shows that following the curve of the Earth is a longer path.
A drum creates a longer path for a line as well.
 And since Stefan believes I have killed someone, it is probably best for me not to post in his forum. Such false
claims that people made against me led to my being investigated for killing someone. A simple internet search
would've shown my Facebook page as well as where I live and have lived. Yet everyone trusted a person who wanted my
work or my life ruined.
 And it is funny how many Germans believed that person. And to honor what Germans told me, a liar is welcome in Germany.
And Stefan actually posted to me that he hopes I get over having killed my friend. This is James Lindgard;
https://www.presspubs.com/lindgaard-sentenced-to-68-months-for-vehicular-homicide/article_61ec4171-228c-5214-9d66-8cc1fdc14bd5.html

 His actual name is Mark James Lindgaard. And I'm not that young but everyone trusted AB Hammer when making such a serious claim. In my
videos, do I look like I would've been 22 when that was reported? This only shows that getting people to trust you has nothing to do with what
you're actually doing.
 And yes, the police investigated me for having killed someone because of the stress such accusations bring into someone's life. And this will be
a part of Bessler's legacy if I am successful. People were out to ruin Bessler's life as well for his secret.  Luckily I'll be able to do science after this.
 What needs to be understood is that people who live in Richmond, Kentucky, USA believe I killed someone. I will need to clear my name. Of
course, AB Hammer can say that as a Christian he saw the opportunity to redeem a sinner because that's what Christians do. And that he was wrong,
that didn't affect his life.

 @kolbacict, the 2 pictures show a bearing hanging from the disc from its fulcrum and then when it swings around the disc. In the 1st image, look near
the bottom of the picture by the T square (straight edge). In the 2nd image, I put tape on the bearing to make it easier to see. The difference in how
far the bearing is from the disc is the same distance the weight wheel moves up the arm it is on.
 Basically when the wheel rotates, it has the same effect as the drum rotating. The line is wrapping around the Bessler's external drum.
Around the firmly placed horizontal axis is a rotating disc (low or narrow cylinder) which resembles a grindstone. This disc can be called the principle piece of my machine. Accordingly, this wheel consists of an external wheel (or drum) for raising weights which is covered with stretched linen.
https://besslerwheel.com/writings/das_triumphans.html

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« Reply #74 on: January 29, 2022, 04:54:55 PM »
Your story remembered mine. Believe in what you are doing.