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Author Topic: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.  (Read 18942 times)

Offline captainpecan

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #90 on: January 16, 2022, 07:27:37 AM »
@ floor,
Thanks for the calculations. I do see where there could be a small variation that could cause the results to be less than 1+1=3 but still good. I did not have a great way to measure the gaps when I did that test. So there is a possibility of a slight difference in gap between top magnet gap and bottom magnet gap. I finally got my brass feeler guage in today. As well as my new scales that will measure more force. So I will line things up with smaller and exactly same gap top and bottom and run the test again. Because it felt like my 2nd test was way stronger but I maxed my scale out so I couldn't tell for sure. But I think another test to make positive all measurements are correct before I move to a total electromagnet design is warranted. I've got some other thoughts to try as well that I haven't seen anyone try and I'll get the next pieces in Tue to try that as well. I'll keep posted.

Offline captainpecan

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #91 on: January 16, 2022, 08:41:32 AM »
Here is my final video on brads motor with the torque plates. The electromagnets are the key.
https://youtu.be/D1lEQGVD1lk good luck to you all


Thanks for sharing. I really appreciate seeing what you have all concluded so far with this design. I've learned a lot from the short time working with it. Doesn't look to be the total answer everyone wants, but it sure is a concept well worth understanding. It could be the stepping stone that eventually opens things up for us, who knows.

Offline captainpecan

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #92 on: January 16, 2022, 10:34:47 PM »
My wonderful new nonmagnetic brass feeler gauge I ordered specifically so I can measure magnet gaps showed up. And guess what? It is silver in color and sticks right to the damn magnets, lol. Guess you get what you pay for.


Anyway, here is what I came up with this time. The numbers seem pretty consistent with what I got before, but I haven't worked with them much yet.

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #93 on: January 17, 2022, 12:14:03 AM »
Captainpecan,


Instead of using feeler gauges I used cardboard stock like business cards are made from.  i let the magnet pull until it is against the torque plate and then tighten the magnet in place.  If your system is strong enough only one or two thicknesses of cardboard should do the trick. 


Your test results are looking good.


Take care.


PS: let me clarify that .  You let the magnet pull against the cardstock that is against the torque plate so the gap ends up being the thickness of the cardstock.




Offline captainpecan

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #94 on: January 17, 2022, 01:59:00 AM »
I think I figured the numbers correctly.

1st test... (original)
2214 ... 1 magnet
5342 ... 2 magnets
5342 / 2214 = 2.41

2nd test... (smaller gap)
3176.5 ... 1 magnet
7658.5 ... 2 magnets
7658.5 / 3176.5 = 2.41

Still less than 1 + 1 = 3. But greater than 2 to 1 again. The effect is confirmed by this setup. And by the same ratio both times. I will now move on to the next stage and only use electromagnets.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2022, 04:19:49 AM by captainpecan »

Offline seychelles

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #95 on: January 17, 2022, 04:50:56 AM »
GREAT WORK CAPTAIN. THANK YOU FOR SHARING.

Offline Jimboot

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #96 on: January 17, 2022, 06:17:06 AM »
I found having the TP as close to the EM as possible and the PM about 3mm distance worked best FWIW. Nice documenting Cap.

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #97 on: January 17, 2022, 07:08:51 AM »
Great work .

Offline tinman

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #98 on: January 19, 2022, 08:33:47 AM »
Hi Everyone.
I apologize for my long absence.

Well as you have guessed now, I am making this motor public, as I now have in place all the things needed to insure that this does end up in the public domain, and also protections toward my rights as the designer, in that no company or entity can take it, patent it, and shelve it/hide it.

Watching my own videos, I can see that I could have done a much better job at going through the design and workings of this motor.
But as the video's were made for a group already quite versed in it's workings, I left the videos as they were.

In regards to the other private group, and my reason for leaving that group/forum, well there was more than one reason at play.
I myself do feel bad for leaving, and I know the guys over there are also disappointed in me as well, and for that I am sorry.
But as i said, there were many reasons for leaving, and not just 1.
1- one of my children needed my complete attention and time. I won't go into details, but for those that knew what the late Ernie went through with one of his children, then you know what I had to deal with. Thankfully, for now, that child is on the mend.
2- Now don't get me wrong here, the guys in that group were doing what they thought to be the best. But as we have seen many times, most started to stray from the precise design of the motor, and could not achieve the desired results. The 1 person that did stick to the design very closely was Jimboot. He was also the only one that started getting close to the desired outcome. Variations started coming out before the original was even achieved, regardless of my efforts to try and keep it on track.
3- As some of you may know, I own my own business, and when this covid bullshit fest hit, my work load went through the roof-oddly enough. The reason i did so well while other collapsed, is because of my particular line of work, which is fitting lithium off grid systems to caravans and mobile homes ( I think my American friends call them trailers and RVs). So rather than being locked down at home, by our idiotic government and premiers, many decided to go free camping along the coast of Western Australia, and avoid all the drama taking place in the cities and major towns. But in order to do that, you need to be off grid capable. So that is why my work load went up, and many other companies went bust.
4- At the other forum, we started to see a form of censorship taking place, where threads were being closed down due to members having a difference of opinion. There were strong opinions, but it never got to the stage of full on fighting like we have seen here on this forum--but the threads were closed down anyway, regardless of whether or not those in those threads wanted it to continue on or not.
The one thing i will never tolerate is being silenced for my beliefs-like i will not be silenced from disclosing this motor. And this time i have put in measures to make sure that does not happen-again.

Anyway, over the course of the next month or two, I will be redoing my videos that will explain exactly how this motor works, as well as showing you how to build it. So feel free to copy all my videos, and share the links here if you wish.

(CAVEAT--> I cannot and will not guarantee you will succeed at achieving a self runner, as I cannot insure that anyone will stick to my strict build instructions.)

Over the past months, I have been trying to come up with a very simple base- a simple way to build this motor, so as all can achieve there goal, and i have found a way to do it. What you will need is an old broken down brush cutter that has the geared angle drive head- like one pictured here on ebay--> tinyurl.com/2p9fz728 . Or see pic below.

You will also need either the 3/4/5/or 6 blade steel brush cutting disk to go with it--see second pic below
This will give you your torque plates, flywheel, and a means to couple up your small generator via the input of the right angle drive of the gear box, which will become the output shaft that drives your AD/DC generator. This is the simplest and cheapest way i could think of for building this motor.

But this must be done bit by bit, so as we all understand how it works, why it works, and give you your best chance at achieving a self running motor-with power to spare. The more precise you make your build, the better the chance of achieving your goal.
There are some critical tolerances that !must! be had in this build. 1/2 of a mm can make a 100% difference in performance, and this we will see in the coming videos.

The first video i will make will be all about the coil/coils-depending on how many you wish to have.
I will tell you now that you need only 1 to succeed.
The coil is one of the most important components of this motor, and must be built right.
You are going to need to forget about what you have learned about inductance and resistance when it comes to building this coil, as this motor works like no other, and present day inductance and resistance theory does not apply with this motor, which is why we can achieve what is though to be impossible. I will tell you now, regardless of whether you choose to believe it or not--a higher resistance coil is much more efficient that a coil with a lower resistance. Most will think that a coil with higher resistance will be less efficient due to higher resistive losses, but that simply is not true, and when you see what happens in this motors workings, you will understand why.

I will post that video here when it is done, which should be by friday night-my time.


Brad

Offline seychelles

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #99 on: January 20, 2022, 11:24:49 AM »
WELCOME BACK TINMAN. I SEE A NEW BRILLIANT APPROACH TO YOUR INVENTION.
LOOKING FORWARD TO FRIDAY UTUBE. SORRY, I AM JUST AN ARMCHAIR SPECTATOR.
BUT BELIEVE YOU ME I AM IN SPIRIT WITH ALL YOUR GREAT ENDEAVOURS.


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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #100 on: January 20, 2022, 05:02:13 PM »
Looking forward to it all coming out, Tinman. Thanks for all of your hard work over the years.

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #101 on: January 21, 2022, 07:27:36 AM »
@ all readers

I think that using a broader torque plate (a long pass between two electromagnets)
can give more power out.  The magnets would need to remain energized for a
longer period of time but then higher RPM s will reduce the electromagnet on time
as well. 

There is a limit to how broad the torque plate can be while still giving an output
power increase.

P.S.
The use of electromagnets which are broader along the direction of the plane of
rotation should also be profitable.

Offline captainpecan

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #102 on: January 21, 2022, 07:55:23 AM »
@ Tinman,

Great to see you in here dropping info. I have done the best I could to see the effect your motor appears to work with. My device is a bit ghetto, but I have seen some promising tests already. I have had very little info to go on. All I know is the small amount in this thread. I have been very grateful for the bits of knowledge and breadcrumbs getting dropped in here. I look forward to hearing and seeing much of the missing info I've been wanting to see. I've chosen 30 awg wire I was winding my electromagnets with but I will hold up for a couple days to see what you put out. Maybe even thinner is better? Thanks again for all you do. Can't wait to see what's ahead.

Offline captainpecan

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #103 on: January 21, 2022, 08:16:54 AM »
@ all readers

I think that using a broader torque plate (a long pass between two electromagnets)
can give more power out.  The magnets would need to remain energized for a
longer period of time...


I'm trying to understand your reasoning on this one a bit better. Are you thinking with a wider plate, you may get a slightly longer peak on the torque curve? I'm holding up a bit on my electromagnets to see what Tinman has to say. But if I understand your thoughts, I may be able to put together a quick test for you with my existing setup if just permanent magnets would work. I would just have to go find me a wider plate to put on the rotor. My magnets and stuff are still in exact positions as my last tests so comparisons would be very close.

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #104 on: January 21, 2022, 01:21:32 PM »

I'm trying to understand your reasoning on this one a bit better. Are you thinking with a wider plate, you may get a slightly longer peak on the torque curve? I'm holding up a bit on my electromagnets to see what Tinman has to say. But if I understand your thoughts, I may be able to put together a quick test for you with my existing setup if just permanent magnets would work. I would just have to go find me a wider plate to put on the rotor. My magnets and stuff are still in exact positions as my last tests so comparisons would be very close.

Yes exactly and testing with the permanent magnets would work.
                       With a wider plate, I'm thinking that....
you may get a longer     nearly at      peak force on the torque curve.

If you don't mind / are so inclinde to do that test.

Much wider, maybe 6x.  This might not be the optimal width but it will still give
an indication as to wether or not this is correct.


P.S.
Zero degrees would then be with the magnet/s centered along the torque plate.