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Author Topic: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.  (Read 8947 times)

Offline partzman

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2021, 11:24:14 PM »

I have been kicking this statement around for a couple days now while I wait for materials to test things. Even though his statement seems impossible because the two characteristics oppose each other. Is it possible that he may have been simply referring to the use of multiple coils in series and it is simply perspective. For instance... when he is referring to a coil of low inductance, could he be referring to just each coil individually. Yet when he is referring to high resistance, he is referring to the multiple coils in series and actually talking about the whole circuits resistance? The low inductance of EACH COIL will allow the quick on off pulse time as it reacts to its ratio of turns (inductance) to core permeance, while from the perspective of multiple low inductance coils hooked in series the resistance increases more and more for each coil added further restricting the current. It's a possible way to satisfy both conditions he says is required at the same time. Understanding that this method would still produce a higher inductance for the series, each coil will have its own lower inductance. Just a thought.

One way to double the resistance for a given inductance is to apply Lbuck = (1-k)*2*Lpri when the windings are equal inductance.  For example with K=.5, if both windings are 5mH with 1 ohm resistance each, then Lbuck = (1-.5)*2*.005 = .005 with a total dcr of 2 ohms.  So, two identical coils connected in a bucking mode with a coupling or K factor of .5 will yield a total inductance equal to each individual inductance but with twice the resistance.

Pm

Online Floor

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2021, 12:00:51 AM »
My build...

          Not a replication.
                   but
            A test bench.

To measure static magnetic force at several diminishing distances.
          and
arrive at the total kinetic energy of the motions,
                 not the peak force only.

i.e.

1.  To measure the energy present over the course of travel of a
ferrous plate in attraction to and rotating toward and then into, a centered
between two neo magnets position.

2.  To measure the energy present over the course of travel of a
ferrous plate in attraction to and rotating toward and then into, a centered
before one neo magnet position.

I have two balanced fly wheels.

One is iron, 7 inches in diameter / magnetic interacting, the other is of a zink alloy
and 6 inches in diameter non magnetic interacting.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

I intend to use the non ferrous fly wheel.
There will be other variation of / measurement sets later.
Also hopefully a linear motion / energy measurement set, yet later.

Lets measure and narrow down the variables.


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Online Floor

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2021, 04:03:47 PM »
progress...

I just spent two days on a dead tree removal job..$ income...

... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

I'm still assembling materials / working out the design.
            I have
the fly wheel
two ball bearing sets of an appropriate size
an axle of an appropriate size

I'm thinking to do a horizontal axle design
with a       degree indicating scale      printed upon the fly wheel.

The fly wheel will also serve as the pulley upon which weight objects are
sequentially suspended in descending increments of weight, as the steel
plate is rotated farther from the magnet/s.

Break away from the magnetic attraction force will be caused by the pull
exerted by the weight objects.  The pull force needed to do this, will be determined
at multiple increments of distance of the steel plate from the magnet/s.

  best wishes
      floor

Offline ramset

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2021, 06:54:11 PM »
And a happy holiday to the Tinman and the very loud fisherman !!
And all who toil “in this thing we do” for a better world!!


With gratitude
Chet K




Offline seychelles

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2021, 07:25:47 PM »
DITO RAMSET. MAY THE ETERNAL LIGHT AND FORCE BE WITH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.

Online Floor

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2021, 11:54:43 PM »
           Peace on Earth good will toward men.

Offline seychelles

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #36 on: December 25, 2021, 09:26:17 AM »
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL FREE ENERGY RESEARCHERS.
PERSEVERANCE WILL EVENTUALLY REVEAL THE ELDORADO
OF YOUR DREAMS.

Online Floor

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2021, 10:32:41 PM »
Build / Test  Progress update
         4 minutes and 47 seconds video

@ https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x86l8ef


Online Floor

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2021, 11:45:56 PM »
A second update...

Like the last video, this one is also very brief.
@ https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x86mvmf


I realize I'm playing it up in the video / leading it on
             but
understand that I don't know those answers yet either....

Offline seychelles

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2021, 07:28:31 AM »
HI FROM AN ARMCHAIR OBSERVER. PLEASE BEAR IN MIND THAT IT WILL BE FRUITLESS
TO MEASURE THE STATIC PULL REPEL FORCE ENERGY. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE
 BETWEEN ENERGY IN MOTION AND STATIC ENERGY. SO FOR THOSE WHO CAN BUILD
THIS TEST IS IN MOTION. TEST THE CURRENT USE IN TIME WITH RESPECT TO
 REVOLUTION REACH IN TIME.

Online Floor

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2021, 11:43:24 AM »
What the H---S been going on in here ?

               SEYCHELLIES

           Are you posting nude selfies to the forum ...
                                              again ?

Offline seychelles

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2021, 03:53:08 PM »
EVERYBODY IN PARADISE IS NUDE. IT PAYS
TO ADVERTISE.

Offline captainpecan

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2021, 10:04:57 AM »
A second update...

Like the last video, this one is also very brief.
@ https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x86mvmf


I realize I'm playing it up in the video / leading it on
             but
understand that I don't know those answers yet either....


Looks good with what you have there. Seems to be a pretty noticeably strong magnetic force with your current setup. Seems to be enough to see the effect. Who knows, maybe the effect is better with ferrite magnets instead of neo? May as well find that out also, lol... I am also waiting on supplies. I'm not far away from being able to show my layout. I already have my neo magnets but the crude setup I had to put together while waiting on parts is just not true enough to show me anything. The neo magnets are just pulling stuff to much to keep a constant gap. I'll have my new bearings and shaft in next couple days hopefully.


Something I am very curious about, is once a setup is solid enough for a good test, the comparative result of simply flipping a magnet around so they attract each other instead of repelling. Just curious if the 1+1=3 effect would still be present in attraction mode. It seems like it should not matter if all things were equal. It seems that the effect would be there either way. But for some reason, I kind of have a hunch it may only be achievable in repulsion like the original setup if we can get it to work for us. Just something I'm curious to try.

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2021, 02:35:03 PM »
Thanks for your update as well.

For clarity and as a restatement.

My present set up, tests, measurements and so on, as yet,
are not nearly enough like unto Tinman's to
be in fairness, called a replication. 

They therefore cannot invalidate, but may to some degree (hopefully) validate.

           Laters

Offline Cadman

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Re: RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.
« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2021, 06:38:35 PM »
For captainpecan.
.....
One of the problems most of us or maybe all of us faced was that Brad (tinman) kept insisting we needed a coil with very low inductance so we could get a very quick on and off time of the pulse.  But he also insisted that the coil resistance had to be high in order to keep the current low and thus be able to get a self-running machine.  Those two qualities are opposing characteristics.  As you raise the resistance to get the current down you also raise the inductance and vice versa.  Anyway enjoy the short video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1L78aTVGQ0
Citfta, captainpecan

For what it may be worth, this was a post by Erfinder long ago that may shed some light on this. A simple way to make a 10 fold change in a coil's inductance.

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Finally, someone else is experiencing this phenomena and talking about it....I was experimenting some time ago, Armagdn03 can vouch for this as I mentioned the experiment to him....I was trying to find a simple method for dynamically changing the inductance of a coil....the idea was to charge a coil in a low impedance state and allow it to discharge in a high impedance state. I wanted the inductive kickback of a high impedance, and the charging time constant of a low impedance coil.

Charge the coil in low impedance mode, and then switch the coil impedance characteristic to high and discharge the coil at a higher impedance.

This task was accomplished using a trifilar coil (untwisted). Two of the windings are connected in series, and the third winding is the control....

The two series connected windings measured 36mH. When the third (control) winding was shorted on itself it the inductance of the series connected windings dropped to 3.6mH, thats a change of 10:1, and all you did to get that incredible change was short the third (control) winding on itself...

Regards
Cadman