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Author Topic: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System  (Read 37967 times)

Offline PieEconomics

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #60 on: September 30, 2018, 11:09:29 PM »
Solar Wind Downdraft Tower Validates Greater Than 100:1 Electrical Output to Input Ratio
https://revolutiongreen.tumblr.com/post/170047766365/solar-wind-downdraft-tower-validates-greater-than

Huge improvement over old 2:1 estimate of electrical output to input ratio:

the Downdraft Energy Tower requires about 50% of the turbine's output to pump the water

Offline ramset

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #61 on: October 01, 2018, 12:23:14 AM »
this is quite remarkable ...I wonder if we have any members out in Arizona who could get some pictures or more info ?

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h30,000 Megawatt Hours will be only 233 Megawatt Hours. Ron Pickett, CEO, commented "Based on a very conservative approach, we originally calculated that approximately 11% of our energy produced would be needed for the pumping of the water. It is exciting now to validate through actual field testing that the energy consumption is less than 1% of the energy projected to be produced by the San Luis facility."
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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #62 on: July 13, 2019, 06:19:08 AM »
Sahin doesn't agree with you, and I don't either.  He believe the device can be made self-sustaining, as I do.  Here's a small quote by Sahin, “We made a lot of compromises in creating this version in hopes of creating a self-sufficient deviceWe know actually that it can be made 100 times more powerful by solving a number of problems.

Reference

Gravock

This video presents highlights from the publication "Spore‐Based Water‐Resistant Water‐Responsive Actuators with High Power Density" at the following link:  https://doi.org/10.1002/admt.201800596

As a result, it is possible to demonstrate spore‐based actuators driven directly with liquid water, which increases the actuation speed and power by nearly 100‐fold!

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #63 on: July 14, 2019, 03:38:37 PM »
This video presents highlights from the publication "Spore‐Based Water‐Resistant Water‐Responsive Actuators with High Power Density" at the following link:  https://doi.org/10.1002/admt.201800596

As a result, it is possible to demonstrate spore‐based actuators driven directly with liquid water, which increases the actuation speed and power by nearly 100‐fold!

Gravock


Wow that is truly one of the most impressive things I have seen on here. This is kind of like the Maxwell demon where the water in this case acts as the demon. The potential of this is huge. And that video is even more impressive, the material reacts almost immediately and resets pretty fast as well. I wonder how easy it is to replicate this is, it seems nothing fancy is being used or that can't be bought off the shelf.


Especially this part is very interesting:

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we estimate the specific power of spore-based actuators presented here to be between 3.03 and 5.03 kW/kg. These values are approximately two orders of magnitude higher than mammalian skeletal muscle, which falls between 50 (typical) and 284 W/kg.


The fact that such a simple and especially macroscopic device can generate such huge forces is quite impressive.

Full paper attached.

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #64 on: July 20, 2019, 09:27:53 AM »
Thanks for the full paper Broli.  IMO, this is the most promising thread on this forum in regards to creating a self-sustaining device!  A 100 fold increase in power density is huge and is a game changer!

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #65 on: July 20, 2019, 12:33:30 PM »
It is truly remarkable ...thanks for sharing

How could the layman experiment ?
Chet

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #66 on: July 23, 2019, 07:03:55 AM »
It is truly remarkable ...thanks for sharing

How could the layman experiment ?
Chet

I now have most of what is needed to start experimenting.  I have the spores (pro-biotics in spore form), the UV lamp, the UV curing gel (finger nail polish), extra-strength breathe right strips, and an ultrasonic humidifier.  The ultrasonic humidifier is for testing purposes only.  This is somewhat quick and dirty...

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #67 on: July 23, 2019, 03:32:24 PM »
Thank you  In my part of the world there are plenty of Alma mater's  of Columbia around !could perhaps get more details ?I have found persons at Universities here... at the "Lab bench" level or the ones actually doing the work...most approachable ..and willing to discuss !
However If you have enuff to replicate or experiment ??
can you help get others up to speed on your path ?
at almost twice the energy density [or work done] of the Human Muscle..and we can play with this ???
Pinch me I must be dreaming !!
with gratitude and respect Chet K





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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #68 on: July 23, 2019, 08:33:18 PM »
Looks promising for all sorts of applications, even outside our energy interests.
How about a super lightweight sweat powered exoskeleton for the disabled?

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #69 on: September 30, 2022, 02:29:39 AM »
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« Last Edit: September 30, 2022, 02:11:26 PM by gravityblock »

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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #70 on: September 30, 2022, 02:03:49 PM »
I'm done posting anything on the internet after this post.    Most are only leaching information off the internet for their own personal benefit and personal gain.  Science is fudging the results of their experiments in order to gain or to continue to receive grants or financial aid from investors.   Mankind is in a very sad state of being.  What a way to be.


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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #71 on: September 30, 2022, 03:16:37 PM »
Sir
Here on the few open source forums are persons dedicated to living by example , trying to share
Anything of value,whenever possible!


Please reconsider!
Our world truly needs all the help it can get,and your post was a genuine attempt
To offer help !


I did read your comments and it truly was intriguing!
Respectfully
Chet K


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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #72 on: October 01, 2022, 01:20:59 PM »


Gravock
Not sure if you are aware
This forum offers builders bench to help focus content towards productive research
And results
Thanks for sending your above edited post again


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A 100-fold Increase in the actuation speed and power of the evaporation driven system has already been achieved by using water directly instead of evaporation!  Here's a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqNxkhYjtyY]video showing how to increase the evaporation rate 5 times faster.  We can now use the water directly and the evaporation rate that is 5 times faster in a hybrid evaporation/water driven system.  This is HUGE and will dramatically increase the power and efficiency of the water/evaporation driven system!  The floating photo-thermal material used to increase the evaporation rate 5 times faster can generate steam on its upper surface with greater than 90% solar energy conversion efficiency!  Greater than 90% energy conversion efficiency can be realized by using concentrated solar energy!  This is a highly efficient low cost solar-steam generation system.  However, a solar-steam powered multi-fuel home generator can be built with over 100% efficiency when utilizing solar power and the hybrid evaporation/water driven system!
Robert Murray-Smith is building a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2CZ1YMZ5_0]DIY Multi Fuel Home Generator (Part 1).  Here's Part 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcPlmaAlCr8]Changing One Type of Engine Into Another Type of Engine) of the DIY Generator build.  This generator is basically a steam powered generator using a rocket stove that can run on many different types of fuel, such as solar, kerosene, diesel, gas, natural gas, propane, syngas, waste oil, vegetable oil, wood, etc.  Steam engines and turbines operate on the Rankine cycle which has a maximum Carnot efficiency of 63% for practical engines, with steam turbine power plants able to achieve efficiency in the mid 40% range.  The rocket stove can be used during times where solar power isn't optimal for the solar-steam powered multi-fuel home generator.
Stop chasing the wind and start building this Multi-Fuel Solar-Steam Power Generator that can be used to power your home at extremely low costs. 
Gravock

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This is a truly a great open source topic !
And One that can inspire ..please consider a moderated board !


Respectfully
Chet K
PS
Thanks again for sending the info …. Amazing to consider the possibilities!




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would use the Double Cylindrical Point Focus Principle (DCPF) to concentrate the solar energy to a focal point. Below is a description of a video on the "Double Cylindrical Point Focus principle" discovered in 1976.  Here's a detailed PDF publication on the "Double Cylindrical Point Focus Principle" which may help with the proper dimensions of the two mirrors. MirrorPlex, mirrored plexi-glass, or thin plastic mirror sheets can bend. Also, any material which can bend could be covered with reflective tape, mylar foil, etc. Mirror window film for windows can be found at Lowes or Home Depot.  It's similar to window tint on a car, but reflective like a mirror.  This window film blocks 79% of the suns heat, so it's a good reflective material that is cheap and easy to apply. 

The parabola has the well-known property of reflecting axis-parallel rays to a point YouTube - Parabola-Focal-Ray-Reflect. If we rotate the parabola around its axis, we create a parabolic disc, which has the well-known property of reflecting parallel rays (= planar wave-fronts) that are incident along the axis direction of the disc to a point. An animation that shows this process is available at YouTube - Parabolic Disc PointFocus.  We can avoid the "astronomical costs" associated with creating (= casting) a large parabolic disc by bending two flat mirror sheets in the shape of parabolic cylinders to create an exact point focus. This is due to the:

Double Cylindrical Point Focus principle:

If the focal line of the first cylinder is identical to the generating line of the parabola that is the intersection of the second cylinder with a plane perpendicular to its axis, then the incoming rays will be reflected to a perfect point.  For a proof of the DCPF principle, see Point Focus Proof and for an animation see YouTube - Double-Cylindrical PointFocus - animation.  The DCPF principle was discovered on November 16, 1976 by Ambjörn Naeve, See Point Focus Discovery, and is demonstrated in the earlier video by Tomas Elofsson, Gusum, Sweden, in July 1989.

Besides being easier than the ordinary parabolic disc to build in large sizes (avoiding "astronomical costs"), the DCPF has the advantage that the focal point can be placed outside of the solar influx area, where it is freely available to do work.  See Focal Point Outside Solar Influx Area. The DCPF also has the advantage that the number of planar approximator strips of fixed width grows LINEARLY with the overall size (since one dimension is unaffected) instead of QUADRATICALLY, as with an ordinary parabolic disc. For a comparison, see YouTube - The Archimedes Death Ray Lesson.

Tuning the primary mirror: http://tinyurl.com/5eqz3b.

Tuning the secondary mirror: http://tinyurl.com/6qt5ud

Using these DC Point Focusing mirrors, we have melted limestone (2560 deg C) in free air. See http://tinyurl.com/6jsfd4. A VR-based lecture from October 2000 can be found at YouTube - CyberMath: PointFocus. For the full story behind the DC PointFocus, see PointFocus






Simple and Efficient Solar Tracking


DIY Solar Tracking System Inspired by NASA (Parker Solar Probe)

The above video demonstrates a simple autonomous solar tracking system that can be used with solar panels, parabolic mirrors, or the DCPF method to improve their performance in producing renewable energy. The demonstrated system uses two 10rpm, 6v geared electric motors, and four 5v, 0.6w solar panels connected in a configuration that allows the motors to constantly move the panels into shade.  The cost of the electronics was about $10, and could easily be scaled up or down as necessary for a variety of solar applications.



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Re: Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System
« Reply #73 on: October 02, 2022, 09:59:29 AM »
I see a few of the videos did not link clearly
Did not get back in time to modify above post ( it timed out )

5 times faster technique

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TqNxkhYjtyY


And Robert Murray Smith multifuel home generator ( a two vid series
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2CZ1YMZ5_0


Excellent information towards experiments here !


Respectfully
Chet