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Author Topic: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator  (Read 7166 times)

Offline Lunkster

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Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« on: December 02, 2021, 05:57:34 PM »
Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator

This Generator is designed in the shape of the Magnetosphere.
The core of the generator has a common switching coil(electromagnet) with
two large permanent magnets on each side of the coil.  There are fins
around this core.  There will be several fins around the core so that
the assembly will look like a sphere.  The fins have permanent magnets
spaced out in the fin in such a way to move flux from one magnet to the
next magnet in the fin and then through the core finally flowing
through the fin again.  One the outside of the permanent magnets in the
fins are coils.  The coils are spaced farther from the permanent magnets
so that the normal flux flow moves from one permanent magnet to another
producing one large ring of flux flow using the core as part of that route.
The magnets and coil in the core are larger that the fin magnets so that the
core can handle the travel of the sum of flux flow from all of the fins in
the generator.

This generator design is different than the Sphere Generator I have already
designed because it uses permanent magnets in the core rather than
core material.  I believe the permanent magnets will provide better
assurance that the large ring magnet function will work.  At least it should
work better than core material.  Also, there is only one coil per permanent
magnet in each fin rather than more coils in the sphere generator.  The
reasons for this change are that having one coil outside the permanent
magnet means it is farther away from the core, this will reduce negative
interaction between the fin coils and the core magnets.  This design
will also allow more fins to be placed into the generator.  More fins
means more power generation.  The coils in the fin need to be large
enough to handle the flux that will be moving through the coils.

The operation of the generator is about the same as the sphere generator
I have already designed.  This new design will operate with more power
and efficiency. 

The way this generator operates is that each fin assembly works in conjunction
With the common core assembly.  The normal flux flow is of each fin is through
 the core creating a large ring magnet.  So, the generator will have several large
ring magnet actions being performed at the same time. 

There is one large coil that has a core that supports all of the flux flowing
Through its core when the power is off to the generator.  Once the power
Is turned on to the coil, the coil produces a magnetic field that opposes
The direction of flux flow through the core.  What this does is it breaks
The large flux ring flow of the flux for each of the fins.  The flux then
Looks and fins the next easiest route for the flux to flow.  Most of the
permanent magnets in the ring will then start to use the core in the coil
that is closest to it in the fin assembly to travel through to get to the
other side of the permanent magnet.  The reason it takes this route is
because the core material is an easier path than an all-air path to get to
that side.
The electric power generation is performed through the coils that are
Beside the permanent magnets in the fin assemblies.  The is wire wrapped
around the coils cores that will have electricity flowing through them
as a result, change in flux movement.  In fact, there is flux either starting to
flow through the coils or reducing their flux flow with each change in the
electrical condition on the one electromagnet at the center of the generator
core.  With the best switching speed for the generator, it means that the
electromagnet can operate at a 50% duty cycle while each coil in the generator
 can collect alternating current 100% of the time.  So, the generator uses one switching
electromagnet operating at a 50% duty cycle to be able to collect electrical
energy from several coils at the same time. 
The electrical energy to produce a magnetic field for a 50% duty cycle in this
Generator should be a lot smaller than the several coils producing electrical
Energy from the several permanent magnets that are changing their flux
Routes.  This is similar to a FET or transistor where a larger amount of energy
 is being controlled by a smaller one.
Please build one of these, you will be glad you did.

Lunkster

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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2021, 11:55:41 PM »

The following drawing is for a Mechanical Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
Why would anyone want a mechanical generator if a motionless generator is available?

This generator could be installed in current wind generators.
With a sphere generator containing several fins, each
fin having about six permanent magnet/coil pairs in them.
The sphere with 16 fins in it would have 96 pairs in it. 

Since the one turning permanent magnet in the middle of
the core is rotating to switch the flow of the sphere in and out
of magnetosphere function, then each magnet/coil
pair will be constantly changing the majority of flux flow between
them.

The flux switching in the core causes the flux flow in each permanent
magnet to change its flow from moving through the core by way of going
through the other permanent magnets in the fin to that of each permanent
magnet having its major of flux flow through the coil closest to it in the
fin assembly. 

This constant rerouting of flux causes a constant changing of
flux flow in the core of each coil.  Electrical energy is created with each
flux flow change.  The electrical energy generated from 96 coils
should make this generator design one of the best there is in my mind.

Applications like wind power generation and water flow to
rotate the permanent magnet in the main core are a few application
for power generation with this generator.

This generator should produce more electrical power in my mind
than other mechanical generators.

If the Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
can produce more electrical power than what is needed to
power the electromagnet operating at a 50% duty cycle,
then this Mechanical generator may the next best thing.

Lunkster


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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2021, 04:37:00 PM »
Liking the creativity Lunkster.

Idea...

Two identical units.

Completely magnetically isolated from each other.

Their rotating magnets, sharing a common axle upon which they rotate.

The magnet interactions (attraction and repulsion) would be 180 degrees out from
each other.  i.e. The one attracting when the other is repelling.


At near distances attraction forces would be greater than repelling forces.

At far distances repelling forces would be greater than attracting forces,
although both kinds of forces would be weaker than when at near distances.

Some where in a mid range of distances, attracting and repelling forces
would be approximately equal, although both kinds of forces would be weaker
than if at near distances.

But the energy expended to cause mechanical rotation against the magnet forces
would be counteracted / neutralized to a large degree.

If it resulted in O.U. it would be worth having sacrificed utilizing the maximum
available magnetic forces of the rotating magnets, which would have existed if
the rotating magnets were at  close distances to the fixed magnets (as you have illustrated).

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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2021, 07:21:33 PM »


Lunkster
Liking the creativity Lunkster.

Idea...

Two identical units.

Completely magnetically isolated from each other.

Their rotating magnets, sharing a common axle upon which they rotate.

The magnet interactions (attraction and repulsion) would be 180 degrees out from
each other.  i.e. The one attracting when the other is repelling.


At near distances attraction forces would be greater than repelling forces.

At far distances repelling forces would be greater than attracting forces,
although both kinds of forces would be weaker than when at near distances.

Some where in a mid range of distances, attracting and repelling forces
would be approximately equal, although both kinds of forces would be weaker
than if at near distances.

But the energy expended to cause mechanical rotation against the magnet forces
would be counteracted / neutralized to a large degree.

If it resulted in O.U. it would be worth having sacrificed utilizing the maximum
available magnetic forces of the rotating magnets, which would have existed if
the rotating magnets were at  close distances to the fixed magnets (as you have illustrated).


Floor,

I am so thankful for your input.
I do have one request for you.
When you have time could you put a couple of sketches
or drawings of your ideas ether here or in a new post.
I see things better visually than in writing.
I look forward to seeing them.

Lunkster


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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2022, 12:49:18 AM »
Hello,

I have this pdf that is an easy way for people to understand the
new technology used in the Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator.
This generator operates different than the MEG and other motionless
generators.

Please give me your opinions on the theory of operation.
Please let me know if it is worth building a prototype.
I want to know what other people think of the generator ( good or bad )

Lunkster

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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2022, 05:30:33 PM »
Hello All,

I have been working on one fin of the generator.
This is an update on the crude prototype work I have been doing.

I have built one fin assembly with an input of 18 VAC from a transformer connected to 120 VAC 60Hz.
The build has one output coil, built around a nut and bolt assembly, for each permanent magnet.
I custom built a switching coil that measures 6 ohms.

I placed 8 each 2 inch permanent magnets around a 8 inch Dia. circle into a plastic plate.
The 8 each output coils were mounted on another plastic plate so I could easily
adjust the distance between the output coils and the permanent magnets.

When I turned on the power to the switching coil, only 6 of the 8 coils had an
output signal.  The coils closest to the switching coil had the most output signal
As I measured the output from the other coils, the output magnitudes would
get smaller in magnitude until the two coils farthest away from the switching
coil did not have an output signal.

I tried to use a switching DC voltage through a solid state relay.  I found out that
the solid state relays I purchased only had a frequency response of 120 Hz.
I am purchasing a switching device that goes up to 20K Hz to replace the SSR.

I am going to try to build the attached assemblies for my next build.
Since I work with parts taken off of surplus store assemblies, it will not look the same
as the drawing when I build my custom assemblies

Has anyone else tried to build a device using a chain reaction of
permanent magnets as their flux routes are changed from one large
circle of travel in one mode and into individual routing of travel
in the second mode?

I will update later in a few months after a do the modifications and more testing.

Lunkster

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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2022, 07:40:26 PM »
Hi,

The following drawings are idea's of how the
"Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator"
can evolve over time.

MEG and other generators have core material between
the different pathing routes of operation.
That is something that can be added to this generator as well.

The big goal is to have as much flux and power generation
to occur when switching between the two modes of operation.

Lunkster

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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2022, 01:06:06 AM »
Hello All,

I built a prototype of one fin of the
"Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator"
I had 8 PM on on layer with the switching coil on it.
I had 8 pickup coils on the other layer.

I had air gaps between the PMs and the output coils.
I was NOT getting getting the results I wanted.  Only 6
of the 8 output coils had output signals.
The sum of the output coils was less than the
power I was driving the input coils.

I believe the air gaps caused the low signal levels.

I am now building the circuit of the attached circuit
on one board.  I will try a few different signal types
for the switching coil.

At lease I am building crude prototype now to test
some of my ideas.  It is nice to be retired.

Lunkster


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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2022, 01:57:32 AM »
Hello,

I have built a prototype that looks like the last sketch.
I would like some people to look at some of my test
results and give me some advise as to other tests I could
run on the prototype and or some changes I could make to
the design.

Lunkster

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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2022, 05:48:57 AM »
Hello,

Here is a few test results of the crude prototype
I put together from material I stripped down from
some toroid coils I bought from a surplus store
for $1.95 each around 20 years ago.

As you can see, the test equipment I am using
is also very crude.  Keep that in mind when you look at my data.

The PMs in the circuit make a difference in the performance
of the circuit.  I have a lot more testing to do.

It would be nice if someone else built one of these devices
and tested it with better core material and better test
equipment.

Lunkster
« Last Edit: October 06, 2022, 02:20:25 PM by Lunkster »

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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2022, 02:11:34 AM »
hi.  I am watching your updates with interest, thanks for sharing.

Did you snap a pic of the scope input and output phases?  If so can you share?  I am curious to see how the phases react in this setup

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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2022, 04:52:30 PM »
Hello,

I will do some more testing and get a photo of the input and output signal.

When I did testing with a switching DC signal, I only used one power supply.
I believe that I need to have two power supplies in the circuit in order to
make sure the core material transitions polarity in the circuit.

In the attached drawing shows some of the testing circuits I have used
or plan to use in testing this device.

I have destroyed 4 FET driver boards and 2 SSR devices so far
in my testing.  Because of shorted coils and connection errors I have made,


I was looking on-line for a reasonable price circuit board that could
drive my input coil efficiently between the plus and minus supplies.
It would be a solid state single pole dual throw device.  I have
not been able to find one.  Does any one know what I could use?

As you can see from my attached drawing,  The switching circuit
is not the best design when the drive coil needs to operate from the
negative supply.  Again, I could use input on a better drive circuit.

Thank you

Lunkster

 

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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2022, 05:11:35 PM »

I was looking on-line for a reasonable price circuit board that could
drive my input coil efficiently between the plus and minus supplies.
It would be a solid state single pole dual throw device.  I have
not been able to find one.  Does any one know what I could use?

Lunkster

I use an ardiuno with one of those 43 amp H bridges found on amazon to switch polarities.  If you go that route and are unfamiliar with the programming, I can send you code and hookup pin diagram.

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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2022, 09:34:49 PM »
Hello All,

I performed a brain experiment today on this generator
and I have a humbling result from doing it.

When you reduce the complexity of the MSMEG through
reducing the parallel and series components of it, then
I come up with the simple circuit in the sketch I have here.

Now this simple circuit has been already worked on
by other FE researches.

Since other people are already using the simple design,
I will not be spending much more time with it.

I have other designs that I have put at this site that I may
build now to see if there is any potential in those.

Sorry if I troubled anyone with the MSMEG design!!!

Lunkster

 

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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2022, 03:40:44 PM »
Hello All,

I wanted to add some things that I learned about
this generator in the drawing are attached here.

I see this device using the diode similar to the MEG
and other motionless generators.  The diodes affect
the flux flow similar to the additional coils in the MEG
device is I see it.  By having the two devices as in the
drawing, I believe you can mimic the MEG device.

I see the the diode causing a 50% duty cycle in one device
with a 100% flux flow in the output coil of the function of the device.
Having the second device using a 50% duty cycle of the
input power will cause the system to draw current through
the full 100% of time from the input power.

Without looking at all of the circuit losses for a minute.
The 100% from device one and the 100% from device two
should add up to 200% in theory.

Now after you subtract all of the losses in the system
It will be much less than 200%.  How much depends
on many factors.

When I was testing my prototype, I got the best results
when using a 12 ohm inductive load at 600 Hz on the drive
coil.  The optimal frequency will be different with each different
build depending on the parameters of the individual components.

So I am leaving this design not because I do not believe
it is an over unity device, but because other people have been
working with this design with a lot better equipment than I have.

Lunkester
« Last Edit: October 09, 2022, 08:38:04 PM by Lunkster »