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Author Topic: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator  (Read 10987 times)

Offline Lunkster

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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2022, 04:14:28 PM »
Hello All,

The attached drawing shows a balanced optional
way to generate electrical energy on my generator
designs without the use of diodes. 
Though small, diodes do create a loss across themselves.
With FE devices, every reduction of losses are helpful.
I  show both a mechanical and electrical option.
I am not sure if I have seen these options before.

The electrical option will likely be more desirable
but the mechanical option could be used in devices
like the electric assist bicycle. 

These designs takes the design of my last post
and combines the two devices into one device
by having one drive component for the device
which eliminates the need for the diodes.
The direction of the PMs from the right side
and the left side of the device are different.

There is a lot of information from different
articles about motionless electrical generators
that explains how the permanent magnet in
the generator interacts with the coils in the
generator to produce a COP > 1.

« Last Edit: October 10, 2022, 07:37:06 PM by Lunkster »

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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2022, 11:41:14 PM »
Hello all,

I have updated a few of my generator designs
by switching the permanent magnet and coil
positions in the device.  The reason for this is
that it may increase the performance of the device.

Testing a sub-assembly first before building the
full prototype may be a good option for someone
to do who may want to build one of these devices.


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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2022, 06:51:03 PM »

I appreciate your efforts and what you've chosen to share here  :)  Thanks!

Just a quick question regarding your non-mechanic image from above (cropped image attached below): for the "drive-coil" did you think that the signal/wave-form should simply increase/decrease to cause a magnetic on/off situation (A in my attached image below)? or should the magnetic coil-domain rather need to "flip" back and forth North/South (B in my attached image) ?

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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2022, 12:24:16 AM »

First of all the two individual output coils of the rev. 2 prototype
generator have been distorted signals.  With a leading step before
the peek with the PMs in one direction and a lagging step in the signal
in the lagging signal.

So the idea is if I combine the two output signal together either
in series or parallel then hopefully the signal would look more like the A and B
signal you are showing.

Now the A signal you show would be the result of a DC pulse signal with
a 50% duty cycle.
The B signal would be the output of an AC driven signal.  Now I believe the
efficiency will be more productive than the current line voltages, 50Hz or 60 Hz.

This is just what I think will happen.

I have enough material to build one of these devices and I would like to do that.
I have already been asked to provide screen shots of my testing.
So maybe I will do that with this design either this fall or next spring.

I was going to move on to something else, but I would like to know
if these motionless generator designs benefit from permanent magnets
placed into the designs.  So my PMs need to be easily placed into and
out of the prototype I am building. 

Just one more note:  I believe that if these designs are to work with switching
DC signals, then I need to ground one side of the drive coil and drive the
other side of the coil between  a positive and negative DC voltage.  This
insures the polarity in the core changes direction.  Also make sure the core
does not get saturated with the voltages you use in the design.

When I did testing with a switching positive only signal, then at line voltage
frequencies, 60Hz, I got the best results at lower duty cycles.  With duty cycles
of 50% for efficient results, I had to raise yhe frequency to 600 hz. or higher.


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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2022, 02:12:37 AM »

I'm looking forward to your test results ~ whenever that is.

As a side-note, your development and experiments remind me alot of Flynn's work:

Keep us posted.

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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2022, 05:21:57 PM »

I am in the process of building the prototype in this post.
The permanent magnets can easily be slid into or out of
place so you can chance the pole positions in the prototype.

1.)  This prototype will allow more balance of the drive current
in the prototype.
2.)  It makes the comparison of having permanent magnets
into and out of the circuit easier.
3.)  It is easy to change permanent magnet poles in the circuit.
4.)  It speeds up the time to get test data.
5.)  This prototype should remove the need for diode in the drive circuit.
6.)  This design could reduce the complexity of the system level design
of the circuit.

Things to consider when building a prototype:
1.)  If the drive and output coils are the same in wire diameter
and number of turns and wire length, then it is easier to
evaluate the performance of the design.
2.)  Testing with different loaded outputs will tell the most
about the performance of the configuration.
3.)  The closer you can match the strength of the permanent
magnets and the strength of the drive coil in the circuit, the
better the results should be in theory.
4.)  The core material and size  need to handle the flux
moving through each path without saturating the core.
5.)  Make sure to have proper protection of the coil wires from
shorting out to the cores.
6.)  The more you can build the sub assemblies as individual
modules, the easier they can be used in other prototype builds.
7.)  protect the core from Eddie currents by laminations or other
techniques in the build of the prototype.


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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2022, 05:30:27 PM »

The attached file has testing data for the latest
prototype at 60Hz, AC

There is nothing usable at this low of a frequency
for this design.

I found and ordered a 5 connection SSR that has
3 output connections, one is common, one is
normally open and the other is normally closed.

I will try this SSR device to alternate between a
positive and negative DC supply.  I will adjust the
switching frequency to the drive coil and see
what the test results look like.


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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2022, 10:05:36 PM »

That sounds interesting!

And just curious, what SSR did you settle on? What frequency is it good up to?


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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2022, 03:27:46 PM »

I attached the limited information I could on the SSR
I am purchasing.  I could not find the frequency response
of it.  The P/N is BERM-KB25DA.

I was given a the option purchasing a couple of boards
and software to test the prototype that I may look into
it this does not work.  I was hoping I could stay away from
software options.


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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2022, 05:08:43 PM »

If you have built a prototype like the last sketch I have
Then I have an interesting test you can try.

I currently do not have a way to do the switching
at the resonant point of my prototype.

It is a long shot, but if it did work then it would be
a great way of harvesting electrical energy through
rerouting the flux flow from permanet magnets.

Question:  Does flux flow?

It seems like it when looking at the operation of a transformer.
It does not seem to, when there needs to be physical
movement between a magnet and a copper coil in order to produce
electrical energy.


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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2022, 11:14:29 PM »

This message is only for the hobbyist.
If you are an engineer or scientist, you already know this stuff.

The signals I show and are talking about show up at the output coil
of my device.

As I have been testing with the prototype, I have learned some things
about switching DC signals that a hobbyist like me did not have
a good understanding of before.

When working with lower switching frequencies, I would have larger
current draws using a 50% duty cycle.  So I would have to lower
the duty cycle in order to lower the current draw of the circuit.
The lower the frequency the shorter the duty cycle needed to be on
my circuit.

The DC pulse I was sending to the circuit acting like a sign wave at the
start of the wave acting like an AC wave.  Then the signal flattens out at
the top of the wave.  It is the flattening part of the signal where the
larger current draw is occurring.  As I raise the switch speed, the flat
area goes away and the signal looks a lot more like an AC sign wave.

I wanted to operate my circuit at a 50% duty cycle.  In order to do this
I had to raise the switching frequency. 

When I switched the DC too fast then the amplitude of the signal decreases
more and more as the frequency goes up in value.  Eventually it flatlines.

So there is one optimal frequency for each circuit configuration.
This may not be the desired frequency that the circuit needs to be operating at.

So this is where I was thinking that you could send a packet of the desired frequency
for the duration of the needed on time of the device.  This should provide an
efficient signal package to the device. 

Now I am assuming a one polarity DC pulse is used in the system.
So the magnitude of the magnetic force changes during the packet
but not the polarity of the magnetic pulse created by the electrical
packet sent to the device.
Maybe there is a circuit that already does this in the market.


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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2022, 02:35:45 PM »
DC Switching Efficiencies:

These are some observations from working with my latest prototype using a 20 volt DC switching signal to my prototype.  Some of it is thoughts and throries as well.

The DC drive signal is a square wave.  I Talk about the functional wave that is created on the output coil in my device.  The goal is less power in and more power out. Everything I present may only be in theory, so further research is needed.

Problem with DC switching signal:  DC across a coil has a large current going through it because there is little to no back EMF when the DC signal is leveled off on top of the signal.  The current flow is determined by the resistance of the coil at this place of the DC switching signal.  An AC current produces a signal in the coil that reduces the current flow of the coil because of back EMF.  This back EMF is a major player for the value of the induction of a coil.  Producing a variable AC signal for motors that vary their speed is an expensive option to perform this.  Also the frequency of the AC signal is not the optimal frequency of all electromechanical devices operating at a  variety of  load conditions.  The fact is that the majority of DC motors live with the inefficiencies of the DC switching signal.

Problems with the length of the DC signal:  Each coil design has a different induction that requires a different length of a DC signal for the optimum efficiency in the circuit.  Different coil induction at a specific DC voltage across the coil requires a different amount of time for the coil to stabilize at the optimal condition of the circuit.  The problem is once the coil is stabilized with the DC signal, it then loses it’s back EMF and the resistance of the wire is now the only thing limiting the current to flow.  This is very inefficient.  So, you want to cut the DC power before the coil reaches that length of time the coil starts to flatten out at the top of the DC signal.  This flattening out of the signal is like the coil  losing its inductance. 
Each coil design has a unique optimal switching signal speed:  This switching speed or frequency produces the maximum power performance with the best efficiency for the coil design.  The coil induction is the best parameter to determine this value.  If the switching DC signal is operated longer than this optimal frequency, then the circuit pumps too much current in it.  If the DC switching signal is too short, then the magnitude of the magnetic force is shortened.  This reduces the power and efficiency of the circuit.  The load on the output coil or device may also change the optimal frequency of the device.

Core Effect in coils:  As the coil is powered up, the core material develops a north and south pole in it that is stronger than a coil with an air gap.  This produces a stronger magnetic force or field in the coil.  Then when the DC signal is stopped.  The core material still has this magnet force in the core material.  The magnetic field soon reduces in strength at a rate similar to the rate the DC signal produced this field in  the first place.  This affect needs to be calculated into the switching speed of the device to the coil in order to compensate for this force in the circuit.  The core material and construction have a large effect on the parameters of the coil or other magnetic device.  Recently some companies have claimed that the core material they are using in their generator designs have brought their systems to producing more electrical energy than the electrical energy to operate them.  Most OU people have their eye on them for what they are doing.  In the meantime, why not continue to design and build a better OU device.
Using the core discharging magnetic field:  Some people have decided to capture the energy that comes from the core material as the magnetic field is discharging.  There are many ways this can and have been done.  Some designs dump the power into a battery.  Some people dump the energy into a capacitor.  Some people use it to energize another parts of the circuit.  I have a theoretical circuit that captures it and reuses it again in the drive circuit in the next power cycle.  This step, is very important in many magnetic circuit designs.  Energy cannot be created or lost.  So instead of losing potential energy by dumping that energy to ground, then recover that energy so that it can be reused again.  So recovered energy added to the efficient input energy circuit of the device minus the heat and other losses to the circuit of proper design should be able to reach levels of COP > 1.  Even if the circuit does not reach a COP > 1, we need more efficient circuits to reduce our monthly electric bill.
Bunch the most efficient frequency signals into a packet:  The ideal function of the device is to send a packet of the optimal frequency to the device during the desired-on time of the device.  The packet will be a lot more efficient than a solid DC signal during the desired-on time, the packet will be at most about 67% of power for a solid DC signal.  If you want a stronger force in the device, you could raise the voltage of the DC signal by 33%.  This should provide power similar to the constant DC pulse.  Since the packets are created from one positive DC switching signal.   The magnetic force will be of the same polarity with changing magnitude.  An AC signal changes polarity of the magnetic force.  So the packet of optimal DC pulses sent to the drive coil should be better than any AC circuit for most devices that drive “coil with core” type of devices.
Use both the most efficient drive signal packets with energy recovery circuits in the design: 
My goal, along with many other people, is to end up with a COP > 1.  So, by combining the most efficient power delivery scheme to the circuit along with recovering the electrical energy from the collapsing magnetic field in the coil or other magnetic device will go a long way of providing a highly efficient circuit.  The hope is that with enough efficient design considerations, the COP could be > 1.
Coil choice in the design makes a big difference: 
Solenoid coils are used a lot in motor designs.  A toroid coil is much more efficient than a straight coil with the same core material in them.  The toroid coil focuses the magnetic field in a circle.  Less wire is needed around its core material than a straight coil with core material to produce the same induction.  In theory, the toroid configuration should produce more efficient devices if designed properly.  Transformers act like a toroid coil.  Some if not many motor designs confine a loop of flux within the motor design.  The output coils I have been testing have been in a core loop with the drive coil.  The drawing is observations from those tests.  I want to add a file with the a photo of several of these tests than have been done.
Stationary Generator circuits: 
Stationary generators do not need physical moving parts in them to operate them.  Moving parts have many more places in them that reduce the efficiency in the device.  Reducing inefficiencies is the goal of many people working on free energy devices.  Note, free energy does not mean getting something from nothing.  Many people have theories of where this free energy is really coming from.  So free energy is an open system where there is more than one input source of power to the device or system.
Things to be addressed in DC switching circuits:
Most core materials still have some magnetism in them after the power is switched off from a single DC power source. So, the best designs will cause the core material to be at a neutral of no magnetic field in the core material when the DC switching signal is turned off.  The core material is the most important factor in determining the best way to take care of this problem.
1.)   Some people place a small or week permanent magnet of the opposite polarity of the core material with the DC signal removed in order to mutualize the magnetic force in the circuit.
2.)   Add a second DC voltage into the circuit.  Let’s say you have a 20 volts DC switching signal on the top of the coil.  The bottom of the coil is grounded.  When the 20v DC power is turned off to the circuit, then a small negative voltage is applied to the top of the coil.  The value of the voltage would be small.  It would be enough of a value to make sure the core material is discharged in the coil.
Addressing DC frequency packets: 
There are endless ways to address how to create and implement the frequency packets to the drive coil of the device you are working with.
1.)    Having a computer or processer working with an I/O board allows for easy modification to the optimal frequency of the device under varying load conditions during the operation of the device.  Programming knowledge for the hardware you select is required or you will need to get training to do this.  But once you have the hardware and training, you can test different configurations a lot faster using this approach.
2.)   For devices that have constant load, having two 555 timer circuits could be used.  One 555 timer circuit can be used to produce the optimal frequency for the drive coil.  The second 555 time can be used to create the length of time the device needs to be activated.  Once this packet is created, it needs to be sent to a driver circuit that can handle both the frequency of the optimal frequency that is in the packet.  The driver circuit needs to be able to handle the current required for driving the coil or other device in the design.  There are several inexpensive boards on-line that can produce the frequencies needed in the circuit and even more circuits to drive the coil.  Many of these circuits are inexpensive.
3.)   Design and build an analog circuit to do this.
4.)   Design and build a digital circuit to do this.
Looking at current designs: There may be many current DC switching circuits that do not use all of the efficient techniques that could be used for DC switching signals.  Could it be that if all of the efficiency steps for DC switching signals are taken on current devices, that a COP > 1 could occur in one of those designs?

Just think how great it would be if people could purchase a current market device and just improve the DC switching circuit to get their over unity device!!!!!!!!

Even if it was not to the level of OU, wouldn’t more efficient devices help to lower the electric bill we pay each month.  Think of how much the LED light bulbs have lowered our electric bill.      


P.S.  I am working on the results permanent magnets added to my latest prototype.  I will upload the file when I add the photo's to the file and make some notes:

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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2022, 07:16:09 PM »
Just use a flyback setup.
Core with primary and secondary plus some air gap.

During magnetizing time diode prevents current flow in the secondary coil, no back EMF upon magnetizing time.
Once current flow in the primary is stopped, collapsing magnetic field induces current in secondary coil.
Secondary coils number  is n times primary coil.
Instead primary coil-permanent magnet could be used for magnetizing.
Then you will have a MEG in flyback mode.

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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2022, 04:26:31 PM »

I have a drawing of the configuration of the testing.

I uploaded a file without photos' of the testing.

The file I have with the photos' for the testing is 72Mbits in size.
So I could not upload the oscilloscope images along with the layout
of the components of each test.


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Re: Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2023, 05:04:15 PM »

I may have over simplified the generator design in some of my entries when I said the generator can be simplified down to a transformer looking device.  When I did the so called brain experiment, I did not perform a complete evaluation of all the factors of the coil/permanent magnets that are in series in the circuit.  When using the core material in the circuit, it is best to have the material to be able to move the flux from the permanent magnet just under the saturation point of the material.  Air gaps are likely needed to be in place as well in strategic locations.

I first wanted this generator to be a motionless generator and it still might end up that way.
But having a rotating magnet in the middle of the core may be a better way to start using this technology.  The reason I say this is because if you have two magnetosphere generators on a shaft driven by a motor, you could offset the torque on each magnetosphere to compensate for the torque in the system.  As the torque between the rotor to stator assembly is in the attraction mode of magnetosphere one, the torque between the rotor to stator assembly in magnetosphere two would be in the repulsion mode.  Then when magnetosphere one rotates to the repulsion mode, magnetosphere two is in the attraction mode.  This should reduce the overall torque that the drive motor needs to rotate the two magnetospheres.  As the rotation occurs in the permanent magnets in the core of the magnetospheres, flux is rerouted in and out of the output coils of the generator.

In the drawing I have my latest and greatest motor design driving the two magnetospheres.
I have written a book named "The core to free energy" 'The core is the key to free energy'.
The book is written for the hobbyist like me to have an understanding of several new technologies but together they make a complete system that in theory should meet over unity status.

I believe that the more free energy design concepts from the power delivery system, capturing the and converting the collapsing flux into electrical energy, having an OU drive motor and generator design will bring about an over unity system that the hobbyist can build and implement at their own homes.