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Title: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: Johan_1955 on November 12, 2021, 01:03:06 PM

This Guy Destroys Physics Gravity Newton Einstein, All At Once - And The System Destroys His Life!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wymfYp18720 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wymfYp18720)
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Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 13, 2021, 12:40:39 AM
Wow….


Eat your self diluted 54!7 Ken Wheeler…..



Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 13, 2021, 12:59:11 AM
Just sort of a pole here


Has anyone wrapped a coil at something other than 90-degrees
to a magnet, inductor or other coil?


If so care to share your experience?
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 13, 2021, 10:12:22 PM
Ok so, theres way too much info to deal with all at once


Baby steps….
First i am taking a look at Nigel’s Telluric Rectifier


This is a dual-earth ground (EB) system.
Heres a video of my initial progress
Feel free to join me experimenting with Nigel’s technology


There are no magnets employed in the video below
Also the aerial antenna plays a lot into this
w/o aerial i get 0.1v @ 1 microamp (negligible)
with aerial it jumps up to 0.3v @ 3 microamps


Not a lot in terms of power, but i think its a good first step
towards understanding what he is up to


https://youtu.be/47Vj1Chnsrk (https://youtu.be/47Vj1Chnsrk)




[edit:] The aerial is connected to the + terminal
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: onepower on November 13, 2021, 11:05:42 PM
smoky2
Quote
Not a lot in terms of power, but i think its a good first step
towards understanding what he is up to

https://youtu.be/47Vj1Chnsrk

I have a question, why didn't he just draw out the diagram before he started making the video?.

It also occurred to me that he may have reinvented what we technical people like to call an "antenna". We have a ground connection, some rectifying diodes/LED's and a fair amount of exposed conductor.

Another option is a ground fault in his house wiring which is more common than we think. When I wired my last house I accidently connected the white(neutral) to ground and ground to white(neutral) of the fixture in one electrical box of a lighting circuit. Then later when working on all my other junction boxes and central heating ductwork I noticed a slight tingling in my fingers, lol. I picked up on what was happening right away even though the low power LED lighting in the circuit worked fine. The circuit just happened to be conducting through every other ground and the ductwork in my house. 10 electrical boxes later I found the culprit...white/neutral bonded to ground.

Regards
AC
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 14, 2021, 01:17:15 AM
smoky2
I have a question, why didn't he just draw out the diagram before he started making the video?.

It also occurred to me that he may have reinvented what we technical people like to call an "antenna". We have a ground connection, some rectifying diodes/LED's and a fair amount of exposed conductor.

Another option is a ground fault in his house wiring which is more common than we think. When I wired my last house I accidently connected the white(neutral) to ground and ground to white(neutral) of the fixture in one electrical box of a lighting circuit. Then later when working on all my other junction boxes and central heating ductwork I noticed a slight tingling in my fingers, lol. I picked up on what was happening right away even though the low power LED lighting in the circuit worked fine. The circuit just happened to be conducting through every other ground and the ductwork in my house. 10 electrical boxes later I found the culprit...white/neutral bonded to ground.

Regards
AC


Im not ready to make a decision on this yet.


The antenna seems to amplify whatever is already there.
I can move the antenna to the - side and it does the same


Also after adding more diodes on the + terminal
I got a reversal of potential…


I need to think on this and get some sleep
and i will check all these diodes in the morning to
make sure it is the way i think it is…


His drawings are clearly not the type of engineering schematic
that were used in the college i went to in the U.S.
Maybe thats the way they taught in GB decades ago
hard for me to understand, but i thought i had a handle on it.
I still haven’t gotten any useable current, right now im trying to set the voltage up
if i can get anywhere i’ll post my results



Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: MasterPlaster on November 14, 2021, 10:35:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgvtV9v7PKc
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 14, 2021, 05:20:29 PM
I dont want to flood the thread with stupid videos showing what may or may not be
nothing


But feel free to peek in on my YouTube channel
as i will be posting videos frequently.


I have no understanding of this type of circuit, as it goes against
electrical theory and combines aspects of Earth Batteries, and
diode-based voltage adders.


I have removed the aerial antenna from the circuit, so any “antenna rectification” is
only from the small wiring connecting the diodes.


There appears to be the “capacitive” kin of current
Current rises through a high impedance load over time,
but low impedance loads drain or ‘discharge’ the capacitive current.
I know that sounds weired (it is certainly new to me!)
But thats the best description i have for you on that…..


Still not sure whats up with the spontaneous polarity reversal.
Is this an aspect of earth? Something to do with imbalanced bucking diodes?
(mine is built using random diodes and unequal # on one side)


My next step is to build (or salvage) some kind of high impedance load.



Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: onepower on November 14, 2021, 11:09:58 PM
smoky2
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I have removed the aerial antenna from the circuit, so any “antenna rectification” is
only from the small wiring connecting the diodes.

If you can draw and post a circuit diagram I can tell you what is happening.

Quote
There appears to be the “capacitive” kin of current
Current rises through a high impedance load over time,
but low impedance loads drain or ‘discharge’ the capacitive current.
I know that sounds weired (it is certainly new to me!)
But thats the best description i have for you on that…..

I have done all these experiments before and once measured a current take several minutes to cross the surface of a concrete floor. I also measured a negative charge take over one second to traverse a 60' length of 20 ga copper wire. These are electrostatic/atmospheric effects and contrary to popular belief they can move very slow.

This device can help show what's going on...
http://amasci.com/emotor/chargdet.html
RIDICULOUSLY SENSITIVE ELECTRIC CHARGE DETECTOR

This should be required reading...http://amasci.com/emotor/stmiscon.html
Most people have no idea what electricity is or how it actually works more so electrostatics. Bill Beaty's site is the best resource on electricity I have seen to date. It's a must read in my opinion.

Quote
Still not sure whats up with the spontaneous polarity reversal.
Is this an aspect of earth? Something to do with imbalanced bucking diodes?
(mine is built using random diodes and unequal # on one side)

Yes it relates to the Earth/atmosphere potential difference. Here are some good links to get up to speed...
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1305/1305.5347.pdf   --Lord Kelvin’s atmospheric electricity measurements

https://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/II_09.html  --Electricity in the Atmosphere

https://www.electricuniverse.info/atmospheric-electricity/  --Atmospheric electricity

Regards
AC
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 15, 2021, 02:04:27 AM
I guess if you have done “all these measurements” before….


There’s nothing new here for you.
Move along
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 15, 2021, 02:05:54 AM
Hi,
My name is Sm0ky2.


This is my very first experiment with electricity.
In 10 yrs of engineering college i have learned nothing.


Please tell me whats going on here
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 15, 2021, 02:09:26 AM
Please share your experience using ‘bucking’ (reverse) diodes.




This was not in the manual.
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: onepower on November 15, 2021, 05:30:57 AM
Smoky2
I am also an Engineer with over 30 years experience and 20 years in I began to realize I knew little about energy or what electricity is. In the amasci link I sent you the author Bill Beaty is an EE with more experience than both of us. In this respect I think we both understand an education helps but it is not the be all end all by any means.

After reading Bill Beaty's site years ago I realized like most people I had most things wrong. So I built a van de graaff generator, whimshust generator, tesla coils and did countless experiments over the last decade. So when I say I have been down this road and done the experiments I mean it literally.

The biggest mistake most make is not allowing for environmental influences. For example, take a spray bottle and mist the area raising the local relative humidity. Most electrostatic effects will disappear which is the reason many devices work then not. Sometimes it can be something that simple but we would never know unless we did real experiments.

With respect to bucking reverse diodes I think you mean back to back rectifiers. It's a discriminator circuit element acting as a reverse break down threshold detector. The action is similar to a zener diode which acts in both directions. When using higher voltages above 20kV it's important to rub down all components with rubbing alcohol to remove the oils deposited from our hands otherwise leakage is an issue. Many inventors used this setup to replace a spark gap however it does not exhibit negative resistance or avalanche breakdown like a SG. In this respect it acts more like a low voltage filter/ discriminator the inverse of a clipper circuit. There is much more to it but these are the basics.

As well diodes don't last long and tend to degrade or explode at higher voltage/current levels. Many used mercury rectifiers in the past or a quenched SG with a chopper disk to minimize preionization/Corona effects. I have yet to find a solid state setup that can handle anything close to 10kV reliably.

Regards
AC




Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 15, 2021, 06:59:56 AM
So far i have been able to perform Nigel’s voltage multiplication
(experiment #1 is successful, performs as the inventor stated)


However, the EB diode adder seems to be doing nothing at times,
at others it will dump the earth and start moving potential back in the
other direction.
current reading goes negative with respect to voltage during transition



I pulled all the doides out, and im left with just a regular EB
0.5v @ 80 uA
Polarity has been stable for at least 8 hrs.
No reverse current

My guess is (due to the bucking diodes) charge is led out of the earth
depleting localized zones which then bleed back in from surrounding earth
which can cause one side to take on a higher potential
I’m not able to achieve anything useful from any of the various configurations
i have tried. Pretty sure i learned more about the earth around me than i did
about Nigel’s Telluric Rectifier. (Sm0ky failed experiment #2)


Next up is the temporal electron accelerator
I have both parts almost complete


After that i will start on his magnetic experiments



Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: tsl on November 15, 2021, 09:55:17 AM
Hello there,
Can anyone point me to some more info on this guy's tech pls?
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: onepower on November 15, 2021, 11:07:43 AM
Smoky2
Poor results are part of the learning curve...

It's important to understand most of the FE inventors we read about had decades of knowledge and hands on experience under there belt. 20 or 30 years of experimenting was not uncommon in the past. These people were experts, there work was meticulous and they recorded every detail or effect. The most important skills are observations and reasoning...what is happening, why is it happening, to what end?.

Regards
AC
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 15, 2021, 10:21:11 PM
Hello there,
Can anyone point me to some more info on this guy's tech pls?


YouTube has videos from him going back 2-3yrs across multiple channels
From what I understand he allegedly teamed up with gaia(sp?) energy group


Several people have done follow up videos to his as well, slowing things down, zooming in etc


Ive just been surfing YT, and there are links in the videos comments to other videos and so on

Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 15, 2021, 10:37:41 PM
Smoky2
Poor results are part of the learning curve...

It's important to understand most of the FE inventors we read about had decades of knowledge and hands on experience under there belt. 20 or 30 years of experimenting was not uncommon in the past. These people were experts, there work was meticulous and they recorded every detail or effect. The most important skills are observations and reasoning...what is happening, why is it happening, to what end?.

Regards
AC


I think thats what was getting me into trouble.
I kept wanting to use my indoctrinated knowledge and turn the diodes around.
Actually was difficult to set them all up the way Nigel had them.
And I probably still screwed that up.


Also theres the whole dislexic person learning from another dislexic person
either of us could say something backwards and neither of us would notice it ever happened.


Im not going to invest too much time into the diode thing as i dont actually
own 1000’s of diodes to take that anywhere.
Was really just trying to verify what this guy is saying.


I made an ion-receiver for the aerial antenna, similar to the large one he has, but a bit smaller
and of my own design.


Also am constructing two of his temporal accelerators
not sure if it is possible to verify super-luminosity at my current lab.
The equipment i had during the Leedskalnin experiments is no long available to me.
Besides were talking about 2 millionths of a second.
But i should at least be able to examine the electrical effects, if any, produced by the device.


His magnetic theories are quite interesting, so i will save those for last.
It seems to be an adaptation of HJ, in the form of a possible improvement



Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: onepower on November 15, 2021, 11:46:52 PM
Smoky2
Quote
I think thats what was getting me into trouble.
I kept wanting to use my indoctrinated knowledge and turn the diodes around.
Actually was difficult to set them all up the way Nigel had them.
And I probably still screwed that up.

You nailed it...
As Engineers it's even harder to open our mind to different ways of doing things. This little voice keeps saying that's not the way it's supposed to be done, follow everyone else, it's easier.

I had many devices working on my bench, I designed and built them and yet I still had a very hard time believing what was right in front of me. There is something in our mind, some psychology which wants to deny any drastic changes to our perception of things. We like normalcy and safety which may be a survival skill from past generations.

For my atmospheric experiments I preferred low resistance, low forward voltage signal diodes. I then progressed to zero threshold devices which have almost no threshold voltage or cut in. They conduct forward down to voltages as low as 0.002 volts while maintaining the specified reverse breakdown.

Think of it this way, we can bias a diode with a voltage very near the cut in so long as the bias source remains outside main circuit. The bias only applies to the diode action and the closer the bias to the cut in voltage the lower the actual diode cut in. So we can make a diode which conducts at almost any voltage.

Much of free energy is about understanding any components well enough to make them do what we want. It wants to act a certain way but we want it to do something different. It may look like a regular component but doing the exact opposite of what we think it's doing which tends to confuse many people. Like the supposed coil which is designed to have no inductance and act like a capacitor. Which begs the question why...to what end?.

It's never boring... I will give it that, lol.

Regards
AC
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: Johan_1955 on November 16, 2021, 12:15:26 PM

Maybe some more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEfNsnUqesA
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Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 16, 2021, 12:26:04 PM
I dont think it is so much of a mental block.
I am always trying new things or trying things new ways
in search of a better way of doing things.


For me its more force of habit. Imagine getting into your car
one day and sitting backwards in your seat. Driving in reverse
all the way to work.


You know that left is right right is left
You can make the turns, navigate the city
Then one turn, seems so easy so natural
you turn left to go left (forgetting that your backwards)
and the car goes to the right.


My mind tells me the diode sends electricity this way,
NOT the other.
It’s difficult to envision an electron Venturi Siphon
Where the (off) diode can create a void drawing electrons in


I beefed up my EB to see if that helped.
0.5v @ 0.5ma (1/4 mw)
added an impedance between the live and diode bridge
and another between the aerial and the other side of the bridge
a 3rd diode to the 2nd ground forming a loop.


Diodes are open (on), although no visible light is being produced
I left it running. Voltage is holding steady
It has ionized the air in my room overnight
I woke up to the heavy smell of Ozone.


I see no difference through the circuit with or without the aerial
Diodes are just dropping the voltage, nothing more that i can see


Outside the circuit is a high potential electric field
Strongest near the connection points. Seems to sit outside the wires
I guess facing outwards, as my hv probe collapses when i make contact
so the circuit itself is the - side of the electric field.
(the whole thing could be acting as a giant charged plate)


Im not sure what kind of power levels that represents, but its working better
than the (powered device) Ionizer i bought that i never use.
Think i should leave a window open when im playing with this.


There are a lot of unknowns here about Nigel’s situation,
as was mentioned there could be ground faults
in the electrical system to his building(s),
we don’t know if there is a high tension line overhead (which would raise air potential)
But more importantly- how is he tricking the ions to flow INSIDE the circuit???



Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 16, 2021, 12:33:17 PM
Maybe some more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEfNsnUqesA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEfNsnUqesA)
.


4:40
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 17, 2021, 01:09:25 AM
Single ground power operating joule thief
3-diodes center tapped to 2nd ground


Free Energy - courtesy of Nigel ‘Hands’ Cheese


https://youtu.be/mdjlRGJaFdQ (https://youtu.be/mdjlRGJaFdQ)


There is 0 potential voltage between the 1st and 2nd ground wires
by themselves,

Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 17, 2021, 01:24:59 AM
this JT has a battery that can recharge, so i turned the switch on
just to see what happens. (i doubt i am reaching the charging threshold)


Im reading 0.3v at the output terminals, 0v at the input


0 from coil to the transistor
0 across the base resistor
0 between the 2 ground wires (as expected - short)
0 when i disconnect
(i’ll post a follow up in a few hrs if the battery takes a charge)
Ionic trickery i tell you



Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 17, 2021, 01:52:28 AM
Its the - side of the EB too


The + side is completely disconnected


Terminal was planted 200ft from any residential electrical circuit


It may be too early for me to say this but….
I think this could be done with a large chunk of metal or
dare i say a supercap and some resistors


Simply to act as an ion sink and sort of delay to loop them
back on themselves.


0 + 0 = 2x infinity
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 17, 2021, 10:56:44 PM
Got it working now with only 1 ground wire input last night.
The 2nd ground has been disconnected
led’s are still lit after 15+ hrs


Now i have added the other half of the EB circuit in series
Input reads 0.3v
Output 0.3v
LED’s got a touch brighter
Current between the EB and the + of the JT: 0.05ma


Current from ground to JT: 0 when EB disconnected (led’s still lit)
                                       0.05ma with EB connected (slight brightening)


I unsoldered/resoldered the (dead) battery just to eliminate that as a current source
i unsoldered/resoldered the JT coil to see if that had any current, still 0, and led’s lit
with or without the inductor/coil. (removing the ferrite does nothing as well)
So….


We have open + terminal in parallel with a resistor to base
We have an earth ground
We have 3 diodes across the c-e
and a piece of copper wire center-tapped to the 2nd diode junction (heading + to -) also open


3 LED’s producing light


We can add the other half of the EB into the +
and get more light (seems arbitrary and distracting)


What’s the next step


[edit:] apparently i can choose either ground terminals
of the earth battery. (- to - of the JT or + to +)
The + wire seems to produce a tad more light.
So im using that one now.


Still 0 current reading from ground to JT
(but it will light the LED’s through the meter)










Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 20, 2021, 03:12:53 AM
LED still lit,
I am still not able to determine any information on the circuit.
For all intensive purposes, its an open circuit from Earth to an alligator clip


I’m shelfing this one, labeled it “ 0-Watt Lightbulb”,
Gives my shelf an eerie green at night.


Not sure about the “ion accelerator”,
I cant tell that it does anything, from the EB or even a battery
Anyone that wants to give that a go, plz share your results


————————————————————




Now onto the magnets!!!


So, first up appears to be a modified HJ track
However, instead of a single magnet perpendicular
We have a track of sequential parallel magnets
And the rotor has 4 magnets across it’s length


     NNNNNNNNNNNNN
      ||||||||||||||||||||
     SSSSSSSSSSSSSS


   
            N=S
            S=N


But …… they’re at 45-degrees


        \\
         \\


Sooooooo….




I guess theres only one way to know
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: ramset on November 21, 2021, 07:26:21 PM
For Johan and all
http://www.rgenergy.com/ (http://www.rgenergy.com/)


Shared by AllCanadian


Glad to see you around Johan !!


Respectfully
Chet K
Ps
Sorry to interrupt SmOkey
I looked for topic ( Johan had shared ideas on Papp and water fuel
However it must have been in unrelated sections



Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 21, 2021, 07:32:21 PM
While im constructing the magnetic set-up,


I saw this:


https://youtu.be/3yogEJOJWbQ (https://youtu.be/3yogEJOJWbQ)


And went back to examine the 1-wire circuit.


It only works with something tied to the first diode (+ terminal)
By something i mean i have tried a 6-in alligator clip, a piece of wire,
my finger, a large chunk on various types of metals


Whatever this is (‘ion energy’, or atmospheric energy, or some weird reverse rectifying antenna)
It needs an electron source. I find copper connected to steel amplifies it the best
there may be better things to try.
I have a 1-meter set of 8 insulated copper wires
8-guage, and wires in parallel at both ends.
Manipulating the laws of parallel resistance, that 1-meter cable
has the Ohmic resistance of 1/8th of the manufactures rating for
a single 1-meter length of this wire.
This works to give more light than a single piece as well
something larger, like a metal kitchen rack brightens it even more


Electrical theory has no applications as there are no readings to take


I have eliminated various causes such as bi-metal by using a rod of twisted diode legs
(from same type diodes i had broken the legs off)
it works in complete darkness
it works inside a faraday cage
It works using a faraday cage as an electron/ion source
Cant seem to shield it at all


I’m ordering a large shipment of diodes, from china.
It will take a bit to get here, but is economical.


I’ll follow Nigel’s lead as best i can and see how far i can take this



Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: Dansway on November 21, 2021, 10:01:58 PM
Is there a schematic (info) on this tech that you can share?


Thanks.
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 22, 2021, 12:36:01 AM
Nigel drew a few in his videos, his symbols look funny
but he shows what he’s doing
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 22, 2021, 05:12:22 AM
4-Led’s lit up now.
Open circuit 1-wire


0A
0V
From every angle


https://youtube.com/shorts/G_VZAk-8zj0?feature=share (https://youtube.com/shorts/G_VZAk-8zj0?feature=share)
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: MasterPlaster on November 22, 2021, 01:09:31 PM
@Sm0ky2If you examin the light emitted with a photo diode/transistor on a oscilloscope, is the light continuous, pulsed, meandering?
Thanks
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: Floor on November 22, 2021, 02:33:57 PM
@ smOKy2

In regard to the "Telluric Rectifier"

Have you tried ...

1. Building the circuit mechanically robust (solid electrical connections, no wiggly parts)
   then
2. Transporting the unit to some place which is remote from electrical power sources (at least a few
hundred yards distant).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHIhgxav9LY

best wishes
  floor
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 22, 2021, 10:16:41 PM
@Sm0ky2If you examin the light emitted with a photo diode/transistor on a oscilloscope, is the light continuous, pulsed, meandering?
Thanks


There are no readings.
0


I can tell from a video, slowed down, the diode is pulsing (or flickering bright to dim)




I also took it outside, so its nothing to do with the ‘air’ in my home.

It ionizes my room fairly quickly, when i bring it inside. Smells like Ozone,
my filing cabinet (across the room) begins to shock me when i touch it.
Also, holding the ‘antenna’ in my hand makes the hairs on my arm stand up.
Very intense ionic field




Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 23, 2021, 02:04:38 AM
From all possible tests
This is where my understanding is going:




https://youtu.be/-LEdjNVYJl8 (https://youtu.be/-LEdjNVYJl8)
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 24, 2021, 03:18:13 AM
Increased the power 3x
Up to 0.052 Lumens produced by my 0 Watt light bulb


https://youtu.be/PbvkdtR1CgA (https://youtu.be/PbvkdtR1CgA)
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 24, 2021, 03:43:18 AM
When i try to use this value of 0.052 Lumens
to reverse engineer the circuit


What i come up with is something in the milliwatt range
to cause these led’s to produce this value of light


This is not a large amount of power
It is however, 233.4 x greater than the abilities of my 2-wire earth battery
(made using the same anode and the center pin of the coax as the cathode)


electrically speaking, this is an open circuit
that’s why i had to use the light output to reverse engineer the power


and no, theres no readings on the back-loop either
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 25, 2021, 02:25:40 AM
In an attempt to balance the load between the 2 diode chains
I replaced the reverse loop with a close match


https://youtu.be/hM3nC_5XxF0 (https://youtu.be/hM3nC_5XxF0)




And then replaced the first set with a duplicate
So they are truly identical now (within reasonable measurement)
3-diodes in series
2 chains in parallel, one going the other way.


Or if you prefer: 6 series diodes, fold in half and twist the ends
Taps are between the twisted end and the center fold


One end to earth, the other to an ion source


https://youtu.be/qWLq58OymgA (https://youtu.be/qWLq58OymgA)

Final Luminosity reading: 0.4785 Lumens

And for those interested, it does charge electrolytic capacitors
in various configurations, just as presented by the Inventor


The generous Nigel ‘Hands’ Cheese or whatever he calls himself.



Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 25, 2021, 02:44:56 AM
Had to try one last thing before i head to St Louis for the weekend


I hooked up a 2nd wire to the same earth ground and another 6-diode loop
to the same ion source
And those also light up
So im up to pretty much 1 Lumen



Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: Floor on November 25, 2021, 06:35:16 PM
https://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_lumen_are_in_1_Joule

683 Lumen = 1 Joule per Second
1 Lumen = 1/683 Joule per Second  or approximately 0.001567 joule per second
1 joule per second = 1 watt

other conversion software sites give the conversion as

0.01 watt per lumen ?
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: Floor on November 26, 2021, 06:51:54 AM
What ever the output (large or small)...

If "conventional" inputs have been eliminated as a source ...
You have some thing here...
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Joule thief "had to be" rewired to make sense in a conventional way.

I have always suspected that, that was its ruination.

Please keep expoloring this smOKy2 and keep us posted

  best wishes
             floor
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 27, 2021, 12:18:34 AM
https://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_lumen_are_in_1_Joule (https://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_lumen_are_in_1_Joule)

683 Lumen = 1 Joule per Second
1 Lumen = 1/683 Joule per Second  or approximately 0.001567 joule per second
1 joule per second = 1 watt

other conversion software sites give the conversion as

0.01 watt per lumen ?


Not sure the accuracy of that site.


Here are my experimental results: (using 13 lumen flames)


13 Lumens (through photovoltaic conversion) provides
0.4V @ 205ma
or about 80mW/s

0.01 seems pretty close

Now: solar panel can only convert some % of the energy of the photons
So the real experimental value is much higher.


Also - my Lumens were measured by CandlePower as was performed in the old days
many new experiments use some LED-based Lumen equivalent.
Real flame having more fluctuations, and a higher photon energy density


I confirmed this research by testing 30 Lumen flames and 30 Lumen flashlights
Flames give about 20-30% more current at ~ the same voltage
LED’s provide a more consistent light source


I have brought a duplicate circuit with me to St Louis, i will be testing this location soon
To see if the conditions can be recreated here 1000+ miles away.
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: MasterPlaster on November 27, 2021, 01:27:03 PM

I have brought a duplicate circuit with me to St Louis, i will be testing this location soon
To see if the conditions can be recreated here 1000+ miles away.
That is taking it a bit too far!
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 27, 2021, 06:00:55 PM
Nigel showed us this works in Croatia,
I have replicated it in Texas,
And now also St. Louis
Its’ probably safe to say this will work anywhere


https://youtube.com/shorts/GVCuRSlmIps?feature=share (https://youtube.com/shorts/GVCuRSlmIps?feature=share)
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 30, 2021, 01:48:46 AM
I soldered up 30 diodes and added them to the circuit


36 in total now


https://youtube.com/shorts/uYzjyl_s3PA?feature=share (https://youtube.com/shorts/uYzjyl_s3PA?feature=share)
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: Floor on November 30, 2021, 03:09:23 AM
a'ho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_QLzthSkfM
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 04, 2021, 12:15:07 AM
Status:


When i (try to) make Nigel’s capacitor bridge
   - i get 0.9V (instantly, as fast as i have tried to switch it)
                and it will slowly charge up to 1.9V then taper off.


When i build a voltage multiplier, using capacitors and diodes:
after the 2nd cap i get a steady 2v @ 3ua
     This is in parallel to the 42 lit leds


i cant measure less than 0.01 Ohms with any of my tools
So the resistance across a single diode is effectively less than the resistance of
a short piece of copper wire. (and the meter lights the led while trying to read the resistance)
i even tried with a resistor to see if adding a diode in series would change the value, but no.


So……. Using math, lets assume that the string of diodes is pretty close to the R of the wire
that feeds the capacitors.
3 ua is 1/2 of the total current (or close to it)
Which means the total circuit, 42 LED’s and 2 caps
is consuming something around 6ua


Now, if the voltage drop across 3 diodes is 1V
(a 3V dc in drops to 2V across 3 of these diodes in series)
Im getting 2V out, on both parallel circuits


Therefore, the slightly less resistance of the 3 series diodes is taking
the bulk of the power, and the capacitors are getting whats left after the
voltage drop. Ergo: 2V
the current is split between the two circuits (give or take)


And the (unknown) source is providing 3V potential


Measurable or not, this Must be the case.


If i go more than 2 caps on the multiplier, it starts dividing
So 2V is as far as i can push it so far.


How do i take what i have here and step it up into the hundreds of Volts
that nigel is showing us?





Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 04, 2021, 10:45:41 PM
When i compare (my attempt at) the capacitor bridge
is pales in comparison to the photovoltaic conversion power
So i’m leaning towards a 0-Watt photon generator to produce pv power


My thoughts are on strips of perfboard, sized to the LED’s
and solder rails to each side for scalability
Attach as many of these modules as needed to fit a small solar cell
Rinse and repeat
Then they can be stacked

https://youtu.be/s2aMCR0K-Rc (https://youtu.be/s2aMCR0K-Rc)
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: Floor on December 05, 2021, 04:38:12 AM
@SmOky2

I'm still checking out your posts / vids.  No advice / ideas at this time.
I'm just really busy at present, too busy / too many projects going to
try some of this out.  But I/we appreciate your explorations...

 regards
           floor
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 05, 2021, 08:37:57 AM
Thanks.
I understand, i too have too many things going on
and did when i first saw this thread.


But something about nigel reminded me of me,
So i watched his videos, and saw his examples
and try as i may, i cannot prove the guy wrong.


Those two things had me interested, and when i got it to work
Well…
im as shocked as anyone, the principal is so simple
Why has noone observed this before?
Even on accident


I don’t know the proper description, is it negative/reverse current?
Ionic flow?
a self-driving mode of LED’s?


An economic overpowering of some popular FM band thats being absorbed by everything?
Is it from the cell phone towers?
5g?


Or have we discovered a new source of energy?


Does it matter? If we can use it


After many many hours of experimentation and thought,
i am convinced that the single factor governing these circuits
is impedance


When the LEDs have matched impedance, they glow the brightest,
When a lower impedance circuit is introduced, it acts as a switch
a higher impedance acts as a parallel source


When the impedance of the voltage multiplier exceeds that of the primary circuit
it becomes a voltage divider


Using this knowledge i was able to engineer a voltage divider based on the
voltage multiplier circuit that we can use in any circuit


but keeping this impedance thing in mind…


If we had a coil with a matched impedance to the diode(s)
the coil would have the same current as is running through the diode


suppose we had one of these coils on each diode chain
and one of these were wound to compliment the other
resulting in 2x the magnetic field
and possibly a detectable perpetual electromagnet







Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 05, 2021, 08:40:54 AM
if it turns out to be an hf pulsed dc (as it appears to be)
then such a set-up could be used directly as an a/c power source
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: r2fpl on December 05, 2021, 09:44:34 AM
Another sensational device :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r51TdNPA55s
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 05, 2021, 05:53:24 PM
Another sensational device :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r51TdNPA55s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r51TdNPA55s)


Looks interesting, should probably have its own thread

Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: onepower on December 05, 2021, 06:35:16 PM
Another sensational device :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r51TdNPA55s

The internals look similar to the Kapanadze/Ruslan devices.
These boys aren't fooling around with LED's and are talking kW of power...

I think 2022 is the year all this comes out and goes mainstream. Too many people are replicating the technology all over the world.

Regards
AC

Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: kampen on December 05, 2021, 07:03:22 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r51TdNPA55s


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Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 05, 2021, 09:55:52 PM
Another sensational device :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r51TdNPA55s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r51TdNPA55s)

The internals look similar to the Kapanadze/Ruslan devices.
These boys aren't fooling around with LED's and are talking kW of power...

I think 2022 is the year all this comes out and goes mainstream. Too many people are replicating the technology all over the world.

Regards
AC


It looks simple,
asymmetrical transformers, paired through a 4-way flux converter
which appears to be 1:1 ratio on all 4 coils, arranged in an ‘X’ between the
two larger coils
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 05, 2021, 09:59:05 PM
From there it is stored in VERY large super capacitors
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: ramset on December 05, 2021, 11:27:38 PM
Edit
Sorry for off topic
Will start new topic if appropriate
Respectfully
Chet

Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 06, 2021, 12:04:00 PM
It’s difficult to narrow down a precise topic here,
Nigel’s technologies could be broken down into several threads
or even its’ own category, if everything checks out.


I would love to start working on some of his other things
but i’m kind of engrossed in this ‘Ion Harvesting’ thing.
There are some questions i would like to answer
and see really how far we can push this.


Taking a step back, what we have is:


A high-impedance return circuit (through the air / environment)
and a low impedance diode circuit, which ‘steals’ the ionic current
causing a potential across the diode, and generating photons.
(when LED is used, if only diode used only heat is created)


If we match the impedance of the first diode circuit with a second
but in the opposite direction
The ionic current returns through the secondary diode path
instead of following the high-impedance return path.
This causes a potential across the second diode, generating more photons.


Question 1: How many LEDs can be connected in series here?
(theory) The more series LEDs, the higher voltage/potential required to light them all.


Question 2: How many LEDs can be connected in parallel here?
(theory) The more parallel LEDs, the higher current required to light them all.


Is there an upper limit to either of these conditions?
Or can we draw infinite Ionic Current?


We know that after a dozen or so LEDs (tested up to 42)
the air around the ion source becomes ionized (anions?)
forming ozone and charging anything that touches it
upwards to 100-110kV
The opposite occurring at the anode
(the air charges + (Ions), and anything touching it goes -)


And yes this is intuitively backwards, until you understand that
the ionic current flows in the other direction.
This is where the separation between current theory and ion flow theory
come into play.


This circuit only makes sense when analyzing it using ionic flow theory.
Which allows analysis (superposition) across multiple (sometimes reversed) current loops.
Here we see that the same current is flowing in both directions through our circuit.
Also that opposite potentials are forming at both ends.


Result: +0.003A + -0.003A = 0A
           +2V. + -2V = 0V
This is why we cant meter it


With only 1 diode, we still have an opposite potential
through the high-z return path
Again : no measurable voltage
However - there is 3ua current (@0v) through the primary circuit.
now you ask yourself how can we have current with no voltage?
You dont. You have 2v AND -2v, flowing in both directions at the same time.
3 microamps in one direction and something like picoamps in the other.


Why is current flowing in both directions?


Ion Theory tells us that as we draw eV from the source (a - metal):
the source becomes (+) deficit from its’ natural state, and has a tendency to
take on charge from the environment.


Conversely, as we send eV to the sink (a + metal):
the sink becomes (-) deficit from its’ natural state, and has a tendency to
take on charge from the environment.


Of course the atmosphere is full of both + and - ions and can freely supply this deficit.
However, when there is a lower impedance path, the two metals themselves can
rebalance each other. (minus whatever became photons and heat crossing the diodes)
The energy consumed to generate photons and heat, is then replenished from the air.


Conclusion 1:
                   There appears to be dual-current in both directions through the circuit and an
additional third (high-z) ionic current formed through the air between sink and source.


Conclusion 2:
                    Voltage and Current in all 4 directions are equal and opposite,
resulting in 0 (net) power.


Conclusion 3:
                    Converting the ionic current into heat and photons allows us
to extract energy from a self-replenishing stage in the process.
Resulting in a Zero Point Energy Source





Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 06, 2021, 01:07:29 PM
Video describing an independently testable scientific theory
to support our observations


https://youtu.be/bU6xbLjR-kM (https://youtu.be/bU6xbLjR-kM)
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: MasterPlaster on December 08, 2021, 12:19:55 AM
  PCAMs - New Electrics ? 
https://www.bitchute.com/video/gGMYlpRFSRYc/
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 08, 2021, 12:39:08 PM
Until he is a little more forthcoming, i have to shelf this.
If it werent for the photons produced, i would say
the power levels are negligible from an electronics engineering standpoint.
6microwatts
(+4 Watts worth of photons that can be pv collected)
I could make 1000 of these little solar cell sandwiches
have 1000 + wires running all over the place
and run everything to a single earth wire.
Just doesnt seem practical in its’ current state


Without the missing link, i cant bring this to a higher level.
Maybe with hours of watching his old videos and tinkering,
Maybe try different types of capacitors…?


If anyone has any breakthroughs plz share.


I’m planning a design for his HJ magnetic gate.

Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: conradelektro on December 08, 2021, 05:07:04 PM
I get the impression from sm0ky2's experiments in this thread, that the diodes (LEDs) are rectifying the transmissions from the many cell phone towers. Specially in and near cities there are hundreds of cell phone towers emitting electromagnetic waves by the kilowatt.

Greetings, Conrad
 
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 09, 2021, 01:17:31 AM
I get the impression from sm0ky2's experiments in this thread, that the diodes (LEDs) are rectifying the transmissions from the many cell phone towers. Specially in and near cities there are hundreds of cell phone towers emitting electromagnetic waves by the kilowatt.

Greetings, Conrad


Its’ more likely to be a powerful radio station.
Judging by the low frequency dc pulses through the diodes
and the fact that these diodes would probably have a hard time
rectifying Ghz

The most likely candidate is a 110Hz SLF military band


Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: Floor on December 09, 2021, 07:31:25 AM
Most likely...    it's radio frequency / electric smog.

But then we already knew this ....

Does it work in a Faraday cage ?

Probably not, but even if it doesn't, this would not prove that the energy source is
conventional electric smog.  Only that the source (what ever it is) is blocked by a
Faraday cage.

If I was going to isolate the circuit within a Faraday cage.

I would first, test to see that the cage is effective against all kinds conventional radio
reception. I would put a radio receiver in the cage and make sure it blocks effectively.

example ...  My cell phone still receives a call while inside my microwave oven (not when running). 
That receptacle  / circuit is not properly grounded.
... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Next

I would find a     canyon   location in which all radio, TV, cell phone and satellite
reception is blocked and test the device there.

Odds are, that either one,    a working Faraday cage   or     a suitable canyon   will cause the
device to no longer function.
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 09, 2021, 12:31:30 PM
Most likely...    it's radio frequency / electric smog.

But then we already knew this ....

Does it work in a Faraday cage ?

Probably not, but even if it doesn't, this would not prove that the energy source is
conventional electric smog.  Only that the source (what ever it is) is blocked by a
Faraday cage.

If I was going to isolate the circuit within a Faraday cage.

I would first, test to see that the cage is effective against all kinds conventional radio
reception. I would put a radio receiver in the cage and make sure it blocks effectively.

example ...  My cell phone still receives a call while inside my microwave oven (not when running). 
That receptacle  / circuit is not properly grounded.
... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Next

I would find a     canyon   location in which all radio, TV, cell phone and satellite
reception is blocked and test the device there.

Odds are, that either one,    a working Faraday cage   or     a suitable canyon   will cause the
device to no longer function.




Yes it works inside multiple Faraday cages (made of different metals),
as well as inside nested cages, or even using the cage itself as an ion source.


I have eliminated most high frequency signals as a source,
However it is possible for SLF and UHF to pass right through such a cage,
or be absorbed by large pieces of metal.


The visible pulses (dimming and brightening of the LEDs) are around 55Hz,
determined by an optical diode sensor circuit
If this were a half-wave rectification, it would point to the 110SLF used by (airforce i believe)


I also took it to a local ‘no-zone’ last night, where there is no cellular reception


It could be some sort of extraterrestrial (stellar) source, as hinted to by the inventor.


In either case, it seems to work anywhere, and cannot be blocked by conventional means.


It is also important to note here that a normal rectified radio signal induces voltage and current
through the circuit.
This circuit appears to run with 0 power, at least from the perspective of our meters.
In fact, electronics engineering fails when examining this circuit.
Its’ a trick to tease it out into capacitors so we have it in our normal form to analyze it.




I know everyone wants to find some common explanation so they can say ‘look! It was nothing!’
This was my first instinct as well, however this is much different than things i have encountered
in the past.
I believe there is some valuable knowledge to be gained from this, perhaps about ionic current,
Perhaps about diodes, some deep level science we don’t have the equipment for….


The power i am able to obtain is insignificant at the current state
The inventor has demonstrated much more than i have been able to.


I’m at a standstill with this tech, work as it may, if i can’t bring it to useful levels,
it is of no use to me.





Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: Floor on December 09, 2021, 04:08:04 PM
Thanks SmOky2

Not being cynical, just healthy skepticism on my part.

Also,  up until your last post, I don't see any where in the topic,
where you have clearly stated most of the below.



Yes it works inside multiple Faraday cages (made of different metals),
as well as inside nested cages, or even using the cage itself as an ion source.

I have eliminated most high frequency signals as a source,
However it is possible for SLF and UHF to pass right through such a cage,
or be absorbed by large pieces of metal.

The visible pulses (dimming and brightening of the LEDs) are around 55Hz,
determined by an optical diode sensor circuit
If this were a half-wave rectification, it would point to the 110SLF used by (airforce i believe)

I also took it to a local ‘no-zone’ last night, where there is no cellular reception

It could be some sort of extraterrestrial (stellar) source, as hinted to by the inventor.

In either case, it seems to work anywhere, and cannot be blocked by conventional means.

It is also important to note here that a normal rectified radio signal induces voltage and current
through the circuit.
This circuit appears to run with 0 power, at least from the perspective of our meters.
In fact, electronics engineering fails when examining this circuit.
Its’ a trick to tease it out into capacitors so we have it in our normal form to analyze it.

I know everyone wants to find some common explanation so they can say ‘look! It was nothing!’
This was my first instinct as well, however this is much different than things i have encountered
in the past.

I believe there is some valuable knowledge to be gained from this, perhaps about ionic current,
Perhaps about diodes, some deep level science we don’t have the equipment for….

The power i am able to obtain is insignificant at the current state
The inventor has demonstrated much more than i have been able to.

I’m at a standstill with this tech, work as it may, if i can’t bring it to useful levels,
it is of no use to me.


           Thanks again
              best wishes
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: ramset on December 10, 2021, 04:16:29 PM
FE researchers and experimenters
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4120.msg96619;topicseen#msg96619 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4120.msg96619;topicseen#msg96619)

Post #73
I did not ask his permission yet to post this here ( I feel it needs its own topic)
However I wanted to share it ..broli is wonderful open source researcher


Respectfully
Chet K
Edit
I also see he has topic here too
https://overunity.com/18852/a-solid-state-homopolar-motor/msg557375/#new (https://overunity.com/18852/a-solid-state-homopolar-motor/msg557375/#new)
I should have checked first…a bit off here… COVID is doing a number on me .





Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: Johan_1955 on December 10, 2021, 05:21:30 PM
FE researchers and experimenters
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4120.msg96619;topicseen#msg96619 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4120.msg96619;topicseen#msg96619)

Post #73
I did not ask his permission yet to post this here ( I feel it needs its own topic)
However I wanted to share it ..broli is wonderful open source researcher

Respectfully
Chet K
Edit
I also see he has topic here too
https://overunity.com/18852/a-solid-state-homopolar-motor/msg557375/#new (https://overunity.com/18852/a-solid-state-homopolar-motor/msg557375/#new)
I should have checked first…a bit off here… COVID is doing a number on me .

Chet, Why this here, think its not CV / Influenza but Your Vaccine?

.
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 12, 2021, 12:08:46 AM
Thanks SmOky2

Not being cynical, just healthy skepticism on my part.

Also,  up until your last post, I don't see any where in the topic,
where you have clearly stated most of the below.

 

           Thanks again
              best wishes


I appreciate skepticism, and alternative explanations.
That keeps everyone aware of things that are often overlooked.


Its’ been over a month now that i have been studying this thing.
I feel it differs from a standard antenna rectification circuit in some key ways.


First: i have a dipole intended for just this purpose
Harvesting energy, i find mine works best on the 110-130 FM band in most areas
And in any use of this, i am able to measure both the voltage and the current being rectified
This is standard radio tech. Every radio creates some power draw on the ambient signal
Using rectification circuits placed throughout the viewing area - radio stations are able to
use the reception power to gauge the number of listeners.
They use this number to price advertising sales.


The fact that the power in the Nigel circuit is immeasurable, is a point of interest.


Two: the strongest of radio stations cannot transmit to me the kind of power necessary
to create the amount of photons being generated.


My reason for not stacking this to extreme power is not because the power isnt there.
It clearly is


But because of physical / logistical issues which could theoretically be resolved by a choice
of materials.


 



Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: Floor on December 14, 2021, 03:07:24 AM
Positives.

Out the door, if it works day and night, it is between 3 and 4 times better
than if it were a conventional solar electric device in these respects...

Solar requires direct sun.
Solar requires energy storage.
Solar is limited to specific geographic regions.

Also, like solar it would reduce transmission line losses.

Also If it  "is anomalous / working" at all... it    can   be improved.

I suggest this...
  Give it time...

  regards
           floor
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: Bertoa on December 14, 2021, 09:37:13 PM
Neutrino-Voltaic Power Generator   
Maybe some Hope with this info...
As far as I know is at the Overunity forum this device/principle not mentioned.Yes, news from the Schneiders but is it a real possibility they talk about?You can find more in the German Net-Journal of November december 2021.
I send you a link to the first article/pdf below HEFT 11/12.
I just translate for this reply some info: http://www.borderlands.de/inet.dbnj.php3 (http://www.borderlands.de/inet.dbnj.php3)

Its seems that they can make a foil that reacts on neutrino blasts and produce 24/7/365 electricity.

"In response to a question from Dr. Frank Lichtenberg after the performance, Holger answers that 3 W can be generated on the area of an A4 sheet. 1 m2 generates around 50 W".

Inspiration
Actually, the free energy movement was only legitimized by the award of the 2015 Nobel Prize for Physics. It was then that Arthur McDonald and Takaaki Kajita received the Nobel Prize for their discovery that neutrinos have mass. That played into his hands so that he no longer sees the implementation of neutrino energy as work, but as a mission.

History   
He also has a personal history in the field of neutrino energy, because decades ago his father, a nuclear physicist, saw a demo of a film in the form of a glowing LED in the Gotthard massif, which could only have been neutrinos because the energy passed through the thickest walls. Afterwards he saw many slides showing the same thing. He registered the term “Neutrino” as a trademark and in 2014 the company Neutrino Germany GmbH founded.

Output
The planned neutrino-voltaic power generator will be 850 mm wide, 1200 mm high and 650 mm deep. The continuous output is 5 kW with a maximum output of 7.2 kW. The neutrino voltaic modules use aluminum and silicon with doping, whereby as far as possible no rare earths should be used that are not obtained in an environmentally friendly way.

Pricetag
The power generator will cost 15,000 euros (20,000 francs). Holger T. Schubart objects that they do not produce the electricity generators themselves, but look for partners for them. There will be one experimental facility each in Brandenburg and Switzerland.

Efficiency
The solar expert and economist Dr. Ruedi Meier is very enthusiastic about the efficiency of the neutrino-voltaic power generator. That is a highly efficient system! He has calculated that with a constant power output of 5 kW per year, a total of 43,800 kW / h of energy is available. Since a normal household needs around 4,500 kW / h per year, that is almost ten times as much. At a price of 15,000 euros, the device pays for itself very quickly.

PV
If an area of 100 m2 is required to generate 10 kWp of energy via PV, it is just 1 m2 for Neutrino-Voltaik NV.  10 kWp for the PV system means that a maximum of 10 kW can be achieved for a short time under laboratory conditions. In reality, however, these conditions are not given, 2-3 kW are more realistic. In the dark, the power is always 0 kW. The price per kWp is EUR 1,000, and EUR 2,500 per kW.

NV
10 kW with neutrino voltaic is always 10 kW. The footprint can be kept so small because the modules can be stacked on top of one another. The result is a cube of 1 m3. At 10 kW, two such cubes are placed one on top of the other. The price per kWp does not apply due to continuous output. The price per kW is 1,000 euros. The experimental facility is to be built by mid-2022 and prototype 1 and prototype 2 by the end of 2023. Approvals will be obtained from 2022, and from 2023 series production and parallel marketing should start.

What do you think about this info?
https://neutrinovoltaic.com/en/ In the above mentioned pdf more about this device/principle.
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: DonEMitchell on December 15, 2021, 11:41:13 AM
Video describing an independently testable scientific theory
to support our observations

https://youtu.be/bU6xbLjR-kM (https://youtu.be/bU6xbLjR-kM)


Sm0ky2 - This invention posted on my site seems to borrow from your concept-focus...


https://groupkos.com/dev/index.php?title=A_Novel_Design_of_Static_Electrostatic_Generator_for_High_Voltage_Low_Power_Applications_Based_on_Electric_Field_Manipulation_by_Area_Geometric_Difference (https://groupkos.com/dev/index.php?title=A_Novel_Design_of_Static_Electrostatic_Generator_for_High_Voltage_Low_Power_Applications_Based_on_Electric_Field_Manipulation_by_Area_Geometric_Difference)


Follow the ResearchGate link at the link above to see various test scenarios performed.







Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: conradelektro on December 15, 2021, 07:32:03 PM
@sm0ky2

Hello sm0ky2, I tried the attached circuit, but none of the LEDs schowed any light.

Do you have an idea what I did wrong?

The experiment was done in Vienna (Austria, Europe).

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on December 15, 2021, 10:23:27 PM
Hi Sm0ky2,

Thank you for showing your circuit and research. I built Nigel's circuit and did get it to work until for science I shut down the house mains breaker, to make sure I wasn't picking up any stray signal, and the circuit went dead. So not sure if Nigel ever tested with the mains shutdown or out in the middle of a field. Maybe I'm just in a dead zone for this.

My setup is like your six LEDs in series then folded in the middle. One side hooked to chrome shelf and then to a ground 10AWG copper which goes about 240~ft from the house. I did try different metals, copper plate, lead, steel, aluminum but it seemed like the best for my setup was aluminum on one ground and the copper ground on the other. I also can unhook from long ground and still make it work.

I noticed that there does seem to be some electrostatic/charge effect when you touch the metal ground, it gets bright shortly then quickly dims, when you remove your hand the intensity of the lights slowly builds back up.

I get around .7v-1.4v~ (fluctuating) measuring across from each ground with current around 10-12ua.

It seems to be some high frequency signal(?), the caps I used did charge slowly and it just passes through varying resistors with not much change in brightness.

I tried a bunch of different LEDs, the visually brightest on my setup being these:

Red Flash LEDs
VF:1.9-2.1
IF:20ma
Wavelength: 620-630nm
From this pack
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093GL1FFH

It's an interesting harvesting circuit but after seeing that killing the power to the house kills the effect don't think it will be much use in emergency situations. Maybe in a city you could scavenge power this way.

Would like to see more tests in a remote area away from civilization to confirm. If the signal creating this could be isolated maybe a circuit could be made to stimulate this effect and create a feed back loop.
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 16, 2021, 03:27:18 AM
That is interesting that cutting power to the house stopped your circuit.
This was one of the first things i did, and the circuit still ran without anything
going on in the house.


Perhaps ,as mentioned by a user above, you may have a ground fault in your
home circuitry. (and could be why nigel had hundreds of volts)

When you are measuring voltage and current between 2 earth grounds
this is just the earth battery effect. I quickly switched to a single ground operation
using only the negative wire.

And i assure you, there was 0 volts and 0 amps measurable, even with 42 LEDs lit up

I was able to run one of these in a field in Kansas
far away from any power lines


Also successfully off of two different chunks of metal





Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on December 16, 2021, 05:38:57 AM
Thanks Sm0ky2 for the reply. Since you tested in a field and still got positive results I know a place I can try with a field to make sure I'm just not in a dead zone. I get nothing here when the house power is off. I'll do some more tests, it is interesting circuit on how the LEDs light in this configuration.

@Conradelektro,

Have you tried with aluminum?, I didn't get good results from iron.
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: seychelles on December 16, 2021, 05:40:54 AM
ARE YOU CLOSE TO NINE MILE ISLAND?
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 16, 2021, 11:46:54 AM
Thanks Sm0ky2 for the reply. Since you tested in a field and still got positive results I know a place I can try with a field to make sure I'm just not in a dead zone. I get nothing here when the house power is off. I'll do some more tests, it is interesting circuit on how the LEDs light in this configuration.

@Conradelektro,

Have you tried with aluminum?, I didn't get good results from iron.


So, if I understand this correctly:


Iron sits right about in the middle of the scale
It could act as either + or -, if you have something
on either extreme.
Steel acts as an ion source because of the carbon


Aluminum and Iron, therefore, would result in almost nothing.


Copper and brass act as ion sinks
Lead-brass can act as a source, which is why
Brass and lead-brass can work as a combo


As i show in a few of my videos: the circuit is immeasurable.
I can coax electricity out into capacitors,
and when doing so i am able to measure a voltage and
the charging current.
The power is in microwatts.


When i convert the photons into electricity using an
external pv cell:
The power is in Watts.
This is greater by a factor of 6

Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: conradelektro on December 16, 2021, 04:53:57 PM
@Conradelektro,

Have you tried with aluminum?, I didn't get good results from iron.

@DreamThinkBuild

I tried your circuits from your post above https://overunity.com/18970/maybe-some-new-info/msg562114/#msg562114 (https://overunity.com/18970/maybe-some-new-info/msg562114/#msg562114) , also with a 1 meter aliminium rod, and did not get a glimmer of light from the diodes, absolutely nothing.

The weather is damp at the moment in Vienna (Austria, Europe), maybe everything is grounded by the moisture in the air.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on December 17, 2021, 09:47:33 PM
@Sm0ky, I tried outside in field with an old electric fence line as ground and at night to make sure I could see any faint light but didn't succeed at getting it to work. The house is the only place it works consistently.

If it's working on your end maybe a grow light could be rewired?
Something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/WEEGrow-Spectrum-Equivalent-Succulents-Seedlings/dp/B09CYR2QGN

@Conradelektro, I do get it to work inside but outside nothing. The humidity has been elevated due to recent rain I don't know if that factors into it.
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 20, 2021, 01:29:25 AM
I have a bucket full of LED’s that don’t work, and another bucket of ones that
work in certain situations.


Thats why i ordered 1k of the new style ones.
They require a lot less power to operate.
Now looking at them as as a thing all on their own….
They may be ‘ou’ in and of themselves:
Or very close to it, to the point that ambient charge potentials
can manifest free light.


I can rub a baloon on my hair
(Known charge value)


And discharge it through an LED through my body to my fingers and back out,


And watch how long it takes to fade
Using a conversion of 1 coulomb to 10-joule-second
We can see that there is only a microscopic bit of energy
On the surface of that baloon.


However, using a photonoscope, we see that an exponential
amount of energy is being emitted in the form of light.
They call these ‘superbright’.
Even their specs dictate a lower power draw than what is
generated by a pv cell on the output.
(not sure how i didnt notice that, i even show the power rating
on the box in one of my videos…)


Anyways, we’re playing with peanuts.
Without the secret of how to stack it,
what can we do with this?

P.S. - when i had 42 led’s going i left it through
every sort of weather situation, there was no change
rain, or sun, nighttime, wet or dry



Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 20, 2021, 01:32:15 AM
Moving along:




https://youtu.be/2i_Dge3xpfE (https://youtu.be/2i_Dge3xpfE)
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: Floor on December 20, 2021, 03:46:06 AM

Thats why i ordered 1k of the new style ones.


I would like to order some of these.  Can you give us the specifics ?

     floor
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: onepower on December 20, 2021, 06:50:10 AM
Smoky2
I read about this effect a couple years ago but never got around to testing it...
https://phys.org/news/2012-03-efficiency.html
LED's efficiency exceeds 100%

Quote
(PhysOrg.com) -- For the first time, researchers have demonstrated that an LED can emit more optical power than the electrical power it consumes. Although scientifically intriguing, the results won’t immediately result in ultra-efficient commercial LEDs since the demonstration works only for LEDs with very low input power that produce very small amounts of light.

In their experiments, the researchers reduced the LED’s input power to just 30 picowatts and measured an output of 69 picowatts of light - an efficiency of 230%.

I believe this effect may relate to the fact that an LED can generate a voltage when exposed to light like a solar cell. It is a PN junction similar to a solar cell or photodetector. Thus under some operating conditions the LED could dissipate and generate energy in the same instance.

Strange isn't it, many still believe COP>1 is impossible and yet here we have some credible proof it isn't. Just as interesting is this claim...

Quote
This light-emitting process cools the LED slightly, making it operate similar to a thermoelectric cooler. Although the cooling is insufficient to provide practical cooling at room temperature, it could potentially be used for designing lights that don’t generate heat.

Most FE researchers have heard of many different devices becoming cooler during operation contrary to the hallowed law of entropy. Here we have more evidence to suggest a process can have a COP>1 and produce cooling corroborating past claims. Apparently COP>1 isn't so difficult after all...

Regards
AC




Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 20, 2021, 10:27:46 AM
I would like to order some of these.  Can you give us the specifics ?

     floor


Found these on Amazon from China


https://youtu.be/YXSCmKNQGA4 (https://youtu.be/YXSCmKNQGA4)
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 20, 2021, 10:32:20 AM
Smoky2
I read about this effect a couple years ago but never got around to testing it...
https://phys.org/news/2012-03-efficiency.html (https://phys.org/news/2012-03-efficiency.html)
LED's efficiency exceeds 100%

I believe this effect may relate to the fact that an LED can generate a voltage when exposed to light like a solar cell. It is a PN junction similar to a solar cell or photodetector. Thus under some operating conditions the LED could dissipate and generate energy in the same instance.

Strange isn't it, many still believe COP>1 is impossible and yet here we have some credible proof it isn't. Just as interesting is this claim...

Most FE researchers have heard of many different devices becoming cooler during operation contrary to the hallowed law of entropy. Here we have more evidence to suggest a process can have a COP>1 and produce cooling corroborating past claims. Apparently COP>1 isn't so difficult after all...

Regards
AC


Thank you for this!
This paper sort of explains some of what i was observing
Until i read that, i almost felt silly suggesting that the LEDs could be overunity
But that IS the apparent observation
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: Floor on December 21, 2021, 01:58:49 AM
Gracias y Gracias
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 22, 2021, 04:28:35 AM
It might be worth exploring.
The same technology that makes those superbright led’s
Also is contained within those yellow square ones of higher power
And from what i can tell,
The LED ‘produces’ a voltage close to it’s nominal rating.
In my case was 2V, Nigel said his were 3v in one of the early videos
Title: Re: Maybe some NEW info?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 22, 2021, 04:39:15 AM
So what has changed in the world of diodes?
Is it the materials inside the diode?
Or is it simply a better silicon manufacturing process?
Was it an advancement in the physical design?


Nigel’s new process involves creating a new type of diode with
2 unusual metals. Custom manufactured


Could doing this replace the need for external ion sink/source?
And just produce light on it’s own?