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Author Topic: Maybe some NEW info?  (Read 15927 times)

Offline DreamThinkBuild

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Re: Maybe some NEW info?
« Reply #75 on: December 15, 2021, 10:23:27 PM »
Hi Sm0ky2,

Thank you for showing your circuit and research. I built Nigel's circuit and did get it to work until for science I shut down the house mains breaker, to make sure I wasn't picking up any stray signal, and the circuit went dead. So not sure if Nigel ever tested with the mains shutdown or out in the middle of a field. Maybe I'm just in a dead zone for this.

My setup is like your six LEDs in series then folded in the middle. One side hooked to chrome shelf and then to a ground 10AWG copper which goes about 240~ft from the house. I did try different metals, copper plate, lead, steel, aluminum but it seemed like the best for my setup was aluminum on one ground and the copper ground on the other. I also can unhook from long ground and still make it work.

I noticed that there does seem to be some electrostatic/charge effect when you touch the metal ground, it gets bright shortly then quickly dims, when you remove your hand the intensity of the lights slowly builds back up.

I get around .7v-1.4v~ (fluctuating) measuring across from each ground with current around 10-12ua.

It seems to be some high frequency signal(?), the caps I used did charge slowly and it just passes through varying resistors with not much change in brightness.

I tried a bunch of different LEDs, the visually brightest on my setup being these:

Red Flash LEDs
VF:1.9-2.1
IF:20ma
Wavelength: 620-630nm
From this pack
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093GL1FFH

It's an interesting harvesting circuit but after seeing that killing the power to the house kills the effect don't think it will be much use in emergency situations. Maybe in a city you could scavenge power this way.

Would like to see more tests in a remote area away from civilization to confirm. If the signal creating this could be isolated maybe a circuit could be made to stimulate this effect and create a feed back loop.

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Re: Maybe some NEW info?
« Reply #76 on: December 16, 2021, 03:27:18 AM »
That is interesting that cutting power to the house stopped your circuit.
This was one of the first things i did, and the circuit still ran without anything
going on in the house.


Perhaps ,as mentioned by a user above, you may have a ground fault in your
home circuitry. (and could be why nigel had hundreds of volts)

When you are measuring voltage and current between 2 earth grounds
this is just the earth battery effect. I quickly switched to a single ground operation
using only the negative wire.

And i assure you, there was 0 volts and 0 amps measurable, even with 42 LEDs lit up

I was able to run one of these in a field in Kansas
far away from any power lines


Also successfully off of two different chunks of metal






Offline DreamThinkBuild

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Re: Maybe some NEW info?
« Reply #77 on: December 16, 2021, 05:38:57 AM »
Thanks Sm0ky2 for the reply. Since you tested in a field and still got positive results I know a place I can try with a field to make sure I'm just not in a dead zone. I get nothing here when the house power is off. I'll do some more tests, it is interesting circuit on how the LEDs light in this configuration.

@Conradelektro,

Have you tried with aluminum?, I didn't get good results from iron.

Offline seychelles

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Re: Maybe some NEW info?
« Reply #78 on: December 16, 2021, 05:40:54 AM »
ARE YOU CLOSE TO NINE MILE ISLAND?

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Re: Maybe some NEW info?
« Reply #79 on: December 16, 2021, 11:46:54 AM »
Thanks Sm0ky2 for the reply. Since you tested in a field and still got positive results I know a place I can try with a field to make sure I'm just not in a dead zone. I get nothing here when the house power is off. I'll do some more tests, it is interesting circuit on how the LEDs light in this configuration.

@Conradelektro,

Have you tried with aluminum?, I didn't get good results from iron.


So, if I understand this correctly:


Iron sits right about in the middle of the scale
It could act as either + or -, if you have something
on either extreme.
Steel acts as an ion source because of the carbon


Aluminum and Iron, therefore, would result in almost nothing.


Copper and brass act as ion sinks
Lead-brass can act as a source, which is why
Brass and lead-brass can work as a combo


As i show in a few of my videos: the circuit is immeasurable.
I can coax electricity out into capacitors,
and when doing so i am able to measure a voltage and
the charging current.
The power is in microwatts.


When i convert the photons into electricity using an
external pv cell:
The power is in Watts.
This is greater by a factor of 6


Offline conradelektro

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Re: Maybe some NEW info?
« Reply #80 on: December 16, 2021, 04:53:57 PM »
@Conradelektro,

Have you tried with aluminum?, I didn't get good results from iron.

@DreamThinkBuild

I tried your circuits from your post above https://overunity.com/18970/maybe-some-new-info/msg562114/#msg562114 , also with a 1 meter aliminium rod, and did not get a glimmer of light from the diodes, absolutely nothing.

The weather is damp at the moment in Vienna (Austria, Europe), maybe everything is grounded by the moisture in the air.

Greetings, Conrad

Offline DreamThinkBuild

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Re: Maybe some NEW info?
« Reply #81 on: December 17, 2021, 09:47:33 PM »
@Sm0ky, I tried outside in field with an old electric fence line as ground and at night to make sure I could see any faint light but didn't succeed at getting it to work. The house is the only place it works consistently.

If it's working on your end maybe a grow light could be rewired?
Something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/WEEGrow-Spectrum-Equivalent-Succulents-Seedlings/dp/B09CYR2QGN

@Conradelektro, I do get it to work inside but outside nothing. The humidity has been elevated due to recent rain I don't know if that factors into it.

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Re: Maybe some NEW info?
« Reply #82 on: December 20, 2021, 01:29:25 AM »
I have a bucket full of LED’s that don’t work, and another bucket of ones that
work in certain situations.


Thats why i ordered 1k of the new style ones.
They require a lot less power to operate.
Now looking at them as as a thing all on their own….
They may be ‘ou’ in and of themselves:
Or very close to it, to the point that ambient charge potentials
can manifest free light.


I can rub a baloon on my hair
(Known charge value)


And discharge it through an LED through my body to my fingers and back out,


And watch how long it takes to fade
Using a conversion of 1 coulomb to 10-joule-second
We can see that there is only a microscopic bit of energy
On the surface of that baloon.


However, using a photonoscope, we see that an exponential
amount of energy is being emitted in the form of light.
They call these ‘superbright’.
Even their specs dictate a lower power draw than what is
generated by a pv cell on the output.
(not sure how i didnt notice that, i even show the power rating
on the box in one of my videos…)


Anyways, we’re playing with peanuts.
Without the secret of how to stack it,
what can we do with this?

P.S. - when i had 42 led’s going i left it through
every sort of weather situation, there was no change
rain, or sun, nighttime, wet or dry




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Re: Maybe some NEW info?
« Reply #83 on: December 20, 2021, 01:32:15 AM »

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Re: Maybe some NEW info?
« Reply #84 on: December 20, 2021, 03:46:06 AM »

Thats why i ordered 1k of the new style ones.


I would like to order some of these.  Can you give us the specifics ?

     floor

Offline onepower

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Re: Maybe some NEW info?
« Reply #85 on: December 20, 2021, 06:50:10 AM »
Smoky2
I read about this effect a couple years ago but never got around to testing it...
https://phys.org/news/2012-03-efficiency.html
LED's efficiency exceeds 100%

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(PhysOrg.com) -- For the first time, researchers have demonstrated that an LED can emit more optical power than the electrical power it consumes. Although scientifically intriguing, the results won’t immediately result in ultra-efficient commercial LEDs since the demonstration works only for LEDs with very low input power that produce very small amounts of light.

In their experiments, the researchers reduced the LED’s input power to just 30 picowatts and measured an output of 69 picowatts of light - an efficiency of 230%.

I believe this effect may relate to the fact that an LED can generate a voltage when exposed to light like a solar cell. It is a PN junction similar to a solar cell or photodetector. Thus under some operating conditions the LED could dissipate and generate energy in the same instance.

Strange isn't it, many still believe COP>1 is impossible and yet here we have some credible proof it isn't. Just as interesting is this claim...

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This light-emitting process cools the LED slightly, making it operate similar to a thermoelectric cooler. Although the cooling is insufficient to provide practical cooling at room temperature, it could potentially be used for designing lights that don’t generate heat.

Most FE researchers have heard of many different devices becoming cooler during operation contrary to the hallowed law of entropy. Here we have more evidence to suggest a process can have a COP>1 and produce cooling corroborating past claims. Apparently COP>1 isn't so difficult after all...

Regards
AC





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Re: Maybe some NEW info?
« Reply #86 on: December 20, 2021, 10:27:46 AM »
I would like to order some of these.  Can you give us the specifics ?

     floor


Found these on Amazon from China


https://youtu.be/YXSCmKNQGA4

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Re: Maybe some NEW info?
« Reply #87 on: December 20, 2021, 10:32:20 AM »
Smoky2
I read about this effect a couple years ago but never got around to testing it...
https://phys.org/news/2012-03-efficiency.html
LED's efficiency exceeds 100%

I believe this effect may relate to the fact that an LED can generate a voltage when exposed to light like a solar cell. It is a PN junction similar to a solar cell or photodetector. Thus under some operating conditions the LED could dissipate and generate energy in the same instance.

Strange isn't it, many still believe COP>1 is impossible and yet here we have some credible proof it isn't. Just as interesting is this claim...

Most FE researchers have heard of many different devices becoming cooler during operation contrary to the hallowed law of entropy. Here we have more evidence to suggest a process can have a COP>1 and produce cooling corroborating past claims. Apparently COP>1 isn't so difficult after all...

Regards
AC


Thank you for this!
This paper sort of explains some of what i was observing
Until i read that, i almost felt silly suggesting that the LEDs could be overunity
But that IS the apparent observation

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Re: Maybe some NEW info?
« Reply #88 on: December 21, 2021, 01:58:49 AM »
Gracias y Gracias

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Re: Maybe some NEW info?
« Reply #89 on: December 22, 2021, 04:28:35 AM »
It might be worth exploring.
The same technology that makes those superbright led’s
Also is contained within those yellow square ones of higher power
And from what i can tell,
The LED ‘produces’ a voltage close to it’s nominal rating.
In my case was 2V, Nigel said his were 3v in one of the early videos