Author Topic: Steorn Magnetic Toy (Read 18186 times)

Craigy · « **on:** January 16, 2007, 01:36:59 AM »

From what i have read over at the steorn site they showed a few toys to prove at least some of the principles being used. Now there are quite a few designs, the one displayed at kinetika had 2 disks perpendicular to raise lower wieghts , and other models that seem to have odd counter wieghts on the shaft. Here is my latest effort. It displays what looks like 100 percent energy return, but that cannot be right, look at the photos and video and tell me what you think, its a nice coffee table toy at least..lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0BTJFPSBEA

aarnold · « **Reply #1 on:** January 16, 2007, 04:08:52 AM »

not there anymore

Craigy · « **Reply #2 on:** January 16, 2007, 01:20:49 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0BTJFPSBEA

it has not moved, still there when i checked

craig

gyulasun · « **Reply #3 on:** January 16, 2007, 01:53:34 PM »

Hi Craigy and All,

Your link works, thanks.

Watching the linear movement of your 'stator' it occures to me if it could be controlled by the armature of a relay? Because i think the needed useful distance to cover is a maximum of +/- 2 or 3mm which is already enough to pass the rotor (with the two magnets on it) over. And I think of the extended arm of the armature of a polarized electromagnet. See this link for a polarized electromagnet:
http://www.atcaonline.com/coinrelay.html
Polarized electromagnets have the advantage of using less current than normal ones because they include a permanent magnet and are very suitable for pulse mode operation, and can have much quicker switch on or off time than normal ones. Of course you cannot expect several thousand RPM from this setup either but this isn't the goal right now, is it.
The armature of this electromagnet could be extended with an orthogonal arm fixed to its middle and the other end of this arm would be fixed to the center of your linear stator, that is how I think. Other solutions are certainly possible.
The control of this electromagnet then could be excited first with a few volts of 50/60Hz AC voltage simply taken from the secundary of a mains transformer as a start and in this case the armature --together with the linear stator fixed to it-- would oscillate at the mains frequency in your present setup, the amplitude of the oscillation being the +/- 2 or 3mm needed to pass the rotor over the sticky spot. (The sticky spot would always be in the middle plane of rotating magnets facing the center of the magnet placed on the linear stator and these two planes are to be shifted to the left or the the right by 2 or max 3mm).

If this is not practical, then your linear stator could be included like a piston into a polarirized electromagnet, could become the moving armature of it. This solution needs further thinking of course.

I hope what I wrote are understandable

$:-\$

rgds
Gyula

NerzhDishual · « **Reply #4 on:** January 19, 2007, 02:31:30 AM »

Hi!

I have been playing with magnets since (for?) a long time.
Applying some ('tangential' or 'longitudinal') magnetic force (with a magnet) to a wheel equiped with magnets is an idea that comes quickly in mind.

Please have a look at : www.freenrg.info/Minato
Specially at www.freenrg.info/Minato/Minato_First_Motor.wmv

@Craigy: Is it not similar to your device?
The question is: how can I do it automatically.
Sounds like that Steorn and Minato succeded.
Best

msurucu · « **Reply #5 on:** January 19, 2007, 02:46:05 PM »

I think you are so clever Craigy.

please dont give up

NerzhDishual · « **Reply #6 on:** January 22, 2007, 01:01:56 AM »

Hi skilful experimenters!

Could anybody tell me where this initial 'Steorn Toy' idea/device is from?
Is it really from Steorn itself or from somebody else?

I must confess that I'm lost with all these threads in the Steorn Forum.

Thanks in advance.
Best

Craigy · « **Reply #7 on:** January 22, 2007, 07:30:55 PM »

The Orginial Steorn Toy was not built by Steorn at all, but by an outside engineer as a way of showing the effect, The pics below are of the original where it was displayed and demonstrated at kinetica.
My toy was not intended to be a steorn toy but it has evolved to be one, using standard magnets it will return almost 100%, but the resin block you see in these pictures contains the magnetic array that is the secret to the steorn effect. Here you can see that it has 2 wieghts, one twice the size of the first

http://www.fusionpics.com/out.php/i12844_DSC07287.JPG
http://www.fusionpics.com/out.php/i12845_DSC07284.JPG
http://www.fusionpics.com/out.php/i12846_DSC07281.JPG
http://www.fusionpics.com/out.php/i12847_DSC07283.JPG

Craigy
http://www.fusionpics.com/out.php/i12848_DSC07282.JPG

Craigy · « **Reply #8 on:** February 07, 2007, 12:00:31 AM »

And here is my attempt, a work in progress

energyman8 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 07, 2007, 06:47:13 AM »

Hey Craigy,

Looks really nice so far, can't wait to see where you get w/it. I was thinking about the resin block. Is there any way that putting the mags in a spiral formation inside the block would have any effect. What do you think? I mean what could be so special about the formation of the mags inside the block that produces the "Steorn effect"?

Love the tag at the bottom of your post by the way, lol

Craigy · « **Reply #10 on:** February 07, 2007, 09:19:04 PM »

Hi Energyman,

It seems quite clear now that the block contains a combination of "Bad" magnets in an array that best produces the steorn effect.
Neo's cannot be used in the Ktoy, array since their magnetic viscocity (or lack of lag thereof) is so fast that the falling wieght would never reach a fast enough speed for the effect to become apparent.
the toy must use the poor fridge type magnets,(or any other that produces lag times up into the milli second range) these as you may have noticed, can change their polarity when subject to the field of a neo, the time it takes for that to happen, is all part of the puzzle.

i don?t think a spiral or any other configuration of like magnets will invoke the steorn effect in the k-toy, But i will probably try a few to satisfy myself anyway, lol.

anyway, the first array will be an electromagnet. LOL , people have been arguing about the k-toy, and what moves where and when for the last 6 months, I just want to settle the debate and get on to more inportant matters

Cheers

Craig

Craigy · « **Reply #11 on:** February 08, 2007, 11:28:33 PM »

first video of setup explaining coaxial axle and one way bearings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDTb87qNIhY

Craigy · « **Reply #12 on:** February 12, 2007, 01:41:18 AM »

We have just been given snippetts of the original video so my ktoy has been modified as per original

Craigy · « **Reply #13 on:** February 12, 2007, 07:18:59 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo-MsrSRrMY

explaining operation, but this makes it clear that the toy is a bad example of an overunity machine. Unless we have specific info regarding the wieghts and magnets this is very hard to believe or prove, but heck i started so i will finish LOL

CRaig

argona369 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 12, 2007, 11:54:18 PM »

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