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onepower

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The Aether versus General Relativity
« on: October 03, 2021, 07:47:32 AM »
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Up and down are really away from earths center and toward it.
Locally valid, universally invalid, but it is a natural assumption to conclude
that up and down are universally uniform.

I would agree and many of the terms relating to our perception on Earth are obsolete in space. There is no up or down, no directions like north or south, no altitude only distance, no gravity thus no weight only inertia. In many respects we live in a very narrow band on the surface of the planet with phenomena unlike 99% of the rest of the universe, a goldilocks zone. Which may explain why our perception of things is so severely flawed. 

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It is also an assumption to think a universal time actually exists.

If universal time didn't exist then we can basically throw all our astronomical measurements out the window. Time as we know it is a standard of measurement like a cm, kg, amp or volt. We can't start messing around with a standard of measurement simply because we don't understand how something works.

It reminds me of the critics saying a free energy device must violate the conservation of energy, lol. However anyone who actually understands the COE would know it cannot be violated. So why would a supposed "expert" claim to believe in the COE then claim it was violated proving they don't actually believe in the COE. Contradictions can tell us a great deal about what a person really believes...

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Re: The Aether versus General Relativity
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2021, 09:40:14 AM »
I'll just say, that to my mind relativity does not conflict with an either.
The topic does not interest me.

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Re: The Aether versus General Relativity
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2021, 07:13:47 PM »
In every respect free energy theory is an Aether theory.

We could also note that general relativity set free energy research back by decades. In fact every successful free energy inventor with demonstrable technology claimed GR was a fraud and unworkable.

This is why I think it's very important that FE researchers understand that time is not variable it is constant. The properties of matter are variable which means the energy of matter is also variable.

Think of it this way, if we change the properties of a mass we could make any weight float like a balloon. We could lift the weight to any height with little work then reintroduce the original properties and have the weight fall performing more work. This is the basic premise of all free energy devices. We change the properties of something so that our energy input is always less than the energy output.

No hokus pocus is required, no magical space time nonsense, no spooky action at a distance, worm holes or magical particles from other parallel universes. All this is complete nonsense meant to distract from the fact that we are immersed in a sea of energy for the taking.

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Re: The Aether versus General Relativity
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2021, 09:07:01 PM »
                              Just NO.

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Re: The Aether versus General Relativity
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2021, 10:17:08 PM »
https://www.desy.de/user/projects/Physics/Relativity/SR/light_mass.html#:~:text=Light%20is%20composed%20of%20photons,experiment%20to%20within%20strict%20limits.


Light-wave !?


conservative dimension: mass  versus relativistic dimension : mass  !


dimensionless Relativity !?




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Re: The Aether versus General Relativity
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2021, 11:57:17 PM »
Notrino? ( news


Here a nice woman wonders why ? ( physics is  getting more holy ...(lotsa holes


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p118YbxFtGg


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Re: The Aether versus General Relativity
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2021, 03:28:31 AM »
Not just face book but all social media has some of these characteristics.
i.e.  "Us" versus "them" bull crap

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lx5VmAdZSI

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Re: The Aether versus General Relativity
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2021, 08:47:34 AM »
All we really need to understand about GR/space-time is that the people who invented it have a little secret they didn't want most people to know. It was Richard Feynman who basically let the cat out of the bag in my opinion.

The dirty little secret is that the only explanation they have for a field is "virtual particles popping in and out of existence from multiple parallel universes". Which is comical because 1)they have no proof of there claim, 2)it has no basis in nature or reality and 3)it's even more complex and unbelievable than any Aether theory. Most people have never heard this explanation before because the GR people don't like to talk about it. Mainly because it's almost impossible to give this explanation and not come off as a complete nut job.

The Aether theory also falls in line with what we see happening in physics. The better microscopes we build the more we see on a smaller scale. We just keep finding more particles smaller than the last ones with no proof there is a limit. Not unlike the universe and the more powerful our telescopes the more stuff we see and again there is no proof suggesting a limit or end to it. Therefore the proof we do have is pointing towards more particles and smaller particles... an Aether.

We should also keep in mind that everyone keeps saying particles cannot get smaller nor the universe bigger and they keep getting proven wrong. At least Albert Einstein had the integrity to admit he was wrong about his GR/space-time theories unlike most of his followers. Of course Einstein bathed in all the glory, fame and fortune for decades and it was only near the end he came clean and admitted he was wrong, well played Albert.

There were also a great deal of very powerful interests behind Einstein and his theories. In the early to mid 1900's Aether theory was very popular and it seemed like new free energy devices were being invented on a weekly basis. The air was electric with countless new energy technologies popping up all over the place. However as Tesla noted, some very powerful men were backing Einstein and once his theories took hold any talk of free energy basically disappeared.

Which begs the question... who had the most to gain by disrupting free energy and replacing it with a nonsensical theory based on space-time?. Obviously the oilmen as well as Morgan/Westinghouse and other electrical businessmen but there was another party in the background. Who had the most to lose from an Aether theory which could allow anyone to "create" matter/energy, to transmute the elements or achieve antigravity and other god like powers?. Indeed, many powerful interests had a great deal to lose in more ways than most can imagine. As we know, the most dangerous kind of person is an independent free thinking individual because they have little fear and are very difficult to control.

This is why when I see everyone zig I tend to zag..

Regards
AC






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Re: The Aether versus General Relativity
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2021, 05:15:41 PM »
All we really need to understand about GR/space-time is that the people who invented it have a little secret they didn't want most people to know. It was Richard Feynman who basically let the cat out of the bag in my opinion.

The dirty little secret is that the only explanation they have for a field is "virtual particles popping in and out of existence from multiple parallel universes". Which is comical because 1)they have no proof of there claim, 2)it has no basis in nature or reality and 3)it's even more complex and unbelievable than any Aether theory. Most people have never heard this explanation before because the GR people don't like to talk about it. Mainly because it's almost impossible to give this explanation and not come off as a complete nut job.

The Aether theory also falls in line with what we see happening in physics. The better microscopes we build the more we see on a smaller scale. We just keep finding more particles smaller than the last ones with no proof there is a limit. Not unlike the universe and the more powerful our telescopes the more stuff we see and again there is no proof suggesting a limit or end to it. Therefore the proof we do have is pointing towards more particles and smaller particles... an Aether.

We should also keep in mind that everyone keeps saying particles cannot get smaller nor the universe bigger and they keep getting proven wrong. At least Albert Einstein had the integrity to admit he was wrong about his GR/space-time theories unlike most of his followers. Of course Einstein bathed in all the glory, fame and fortune for decades and it was only near the end he came clean and admitted he was wrong, well played Albert.

There were also a great deal of very powerful interests behind Einstein and his theories. In the early to mid 1900's Aether theory was very popular and it seemed like new free energy devices were being invented on a weekly basis. The air was electric with countless new energy technologies popping up all over the place. However as Tesla noted, some very powerful men were backing Einstein and once his theories took hold any talk of free energy basically disappeared.

Which begs the question... who had the most to gain by disrupting free energy and replacing it with a nonsensical theory based on space-time?. Obviously the oilmen as well as Morgan/Westinghouse and other electrical businessmen but there was another party in the background. Who had the most to lose from an Aether theory which could allow anyone to "create" matter/energy, to transmute the elements or achieve antigravity and other god like powers?. Indeed, many powerful interests had a great deal to lose in more ways than most can imagine. As we know, the most dangerous kind of person is an independent free thinking individual because they have little fear and are very difficult to control.

This is why when I see everyone zig I tend to zag..

Regards
AC

"All we really need to understand about GR/space-time is that the people who invented it have a little secret they didn't want most people to know."

"The dirty little secret is that the only explanation they have for a field is "virtual particles popping in and out of existence from multiple parallel universes".

To discuss the universe in terms of an Aether, is to say essentially the same thing
as that there are virtual particles.

Any  Aether that existed, WOULD also BE a kind of "parallel universe".

"All we really need to understand"
"The dirty little secret is that the only explanation they have for a field ...."
"Which is comical"
"We should also keep in mind"
" they have no proof"
"We should also keep in mind that everyone keeps saying particles cannot get smaller nor the universe bigger and they keep getting proven wrong."
"Which begs the question... who had the most to gain by disrupting free energy"

Your,     we and they     speeches sound like those of a propagandist, and like most
propagandists you demonstrate that you understand almost nothing of what you
speak of. 

Your most common theme is a divisive one of us versus them, black and white thinking.

We the free thinkers and so on   and   they that deny free energy and so on.

When we allow our selves to fall into that kind of black and white thinking,
we are not free thinkers. 

That is small minded thinking and one stuck within it, would be among the first to
sell out ANY cause that could bring freedom.

Fear is their master, and freedom and free thinking terrify such a person.

So let us keep a vigilance so as not become as such small minded persons.

        best wishes
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Re: The Aether versus General Relativity
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2021, 06:35:05 PM »
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When we allow our selves to fall into that kind of black and white thinking,
we are not free thinkers.
That is small minded thinking and one stuck within it, would be among the first to
sell out ANY cause that could bring freedom.

I'm simply pointing out that it's one thing to have a belief but quite another to take action which attempts to inhibit others freedom and beliefs.

I believe Tesla and many other great inventors had free energy and it was based on an Aether theory. This obviously represented a danger to others vested interests and wealth so they attempted to bury it. As I implied, an independent free thinking individual has little reliance on others or there beliefs.

Many are starting to understand that anyone who profits from us is not really our friend. This can easily be proven by telling them we will not give them another dime and seeing what happens. Try going to your church, local politician, place of business, or utility provider and telling them they will not get another dime. You will soon find yourself an outcast perceived as the enemy and see how quickly the attitudes change. I have done this experiment many times and watched as the person falsely claiming to be a friend turned into a monster before my eyes. You see... real science works.

So we should understand most of modern science is as much about money, greed and control as anything. Nobody wants us to be truly free or independent of them because there's simply no profit in it. However we could note that Tesla often spoke of true freedom and independence which was why the powers that be destroyed him and buried his work.

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Your,     we and they     speeches sound like those of a propagandist, and like most
propagandists you demonstrate that you understand almost nothing of what you
speak of.

That is small minded thinking and one stuck within it, would be among the first to
sell out ANY cause that could bring freedom.

Fear is their master, and freedom and free thinking terrify such a person.

You are wrong, I am not a propagandist I am a realist and an inventor.

The science is pretty clear and when a person runs out of facts or valid arguments they often resort to gaslighting or attacking the person as you have. I have determined that others independence and freedom is in my best interests. Individual freedom and independence from others beliefs takes away from monopolies and the mob mentality which is in all our best interests in my opinion.

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AC




 

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Re: The Aether versus General Relativity
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2021, 08:59:59 PM »
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I'm simply pointing out that it's one thing to have a belief but quite another to take action which attempts to inhibit others freedom and beliefs.

I believe Tesla and many other great inventors had free energy and it was based on an Aether theory. This obviously represented a danger to others vested interests and wealth so they attempted to bury it. As I implied, an independent free thinking individual has little reliance on others or there beliefs.

Many are starting to understand that anyone who profits from us is not really our friend. This can easily be proven by telling them we will not give them another dime and seeing what happens. Try going to your church, local politician, place of business, or utility provider and telling them they will not get another dime. You will soon find yourself an outcast perceived as the enemy and see how quickly the attitudes change. I have done this experiment many times and watched as the person falsely claiming to be a friend turned into a monster before my eyes. You see... real science works.

So we should understand most of modern science is as much about money, greed and control as anything. Nobody wants us to be truly free or independent of them because there's simply no profit in it. However we could note that Tesla often spoke of true freedom and independence which was why the powers that be destroyed him and buried his work.

You are wrong, I am not a propagandist I am a realist and an inventor.

The science is pretty clear and when a person runs out of facts or valid arguments they often resort to gaslighting or attacking the person as you have. I have determined that others independence and freedom is in my best interests. Individual freedom and independence from others beliefs takes away from monopolies and the mob mentality which is in all our best interests in my opinion.

Regards
AC

"I'm simply pointing out that it's one thing to have a belief but quite another to take action which attempts to inhibit others freedom and beliefs."

And yet that is exactly what you did, repeatedly, in your dialog with nix85 in the topic @

https://overunity.com/12328/radiant-electriciy-generated-with-spark-gaps-and-induction-coils-theory/msg560694/#msg560694

i.e. attempt to inhibit another.  The infliction of pain upon another by whatever means,
physically or emotionally as an attempt to inhibit / control that other.

"I believe Tesla and many other great inventors had free energy and it was based on an Aether theory. This obviously represented a danger to others vested interests and wealth so they attempted to bury it."
                                                 
                                                             No doubt.     
                         And what ?  You put your self in the same class as Tesla ?

"As I implied, an independent free thinking individual has little reliance on others or there beliefs."
                                                                  Not true !
Show me one thought, word, idea, value, or belief that came from you, and that has "little reliance
on others or their beliefs".  Just one.

"Many are starting to understand that anyone who profits from us is not really our friend."

                            There you go with your "us" and "our" crap again.

                          Who do you think you are entitled to be speaking for.
                       Why don't you show a little courage and speak for your self.

Although you mostly manage to keep it subtle, your actions reveal that your objections are more
so based in your own petty jealousy,  rather than in any concern for others. 

"So we should understand most of modern science is as much about money, greed and control as anything."

                                That is not science, that is the abuse of knowledge and power.

"Try going to your church, local politician, place of business, or utility provider and telling them they will not get another dime. You will soon find yourself an outcast perceived as the enemy and see how quickly the attitudes change. I have done this experiment many times and watched as the person falsely claiming to be a friend turned into a monster before my eyes. You see... real science works."
 
                                                            Poor little rebel outcast.
                                   I don't even know you and all ready I don't like you.
                                  Gas lighting and then claiming to be the real victim here.

"The science is pretty clear and when a person runs out of facts or valid arguments they often resort to gaslighting or attacking the person as you have."

Dude, if I was to really start in with the gas lighting and attacking, you wouldn't know which way
was up, down or which way was loose.

   Don't worry.  But try to do a better job and take more responsibility for you own level of
honesty.

             egads
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   post script
                       As I previously said..
" To discuss the universe in terms of an Aether, is to say essentially the same thing
as that there are virtual particles.

Any Aether that existed, WOULD also BE a kind of "parallel universe"."

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Re: The Aether versus General Relativity
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2021, 09:19:51 PM »
The fact remains that basically every successful free energy inventor who demonstrated working technology claimed to be using the Aether theory.

The greater majority also claimed they built free energy devices to free mankind from there dependence on others. To give people the freedom of choice where they get there energy.

I'm all for that...

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Re: The Aether versus General Relativity
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2021, 09:26:02 PM »
Me to.

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Re: The Aether versus General Relativity
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2021, 09:59:48 PM »
Me 3
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Re: The Aether versus General Relativity
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2021, 05:51:46 PM »
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There is a primordial substance, in this universe, which is a state of matter that is so tenuous it will pass right through any known solid material.  In the olden days (early past century and before), this substance was known as the luminoferous chemical ether.  It has a dull red glow, with magnetic properties, surface tension (which enables it to flow and curl), and an electrical charge which depends on its density.  This is the ether which fell from popularity and was stigmatised.

Indeed, we already know what we call tangible matter is only 1% matter and 99% free space full of high energy particles and EM waves. So what we perceive as material is only 1% material and 99% energy.

The main problem would seem to be the inability to recognize all the space full of energy between the particles of matter. It's kind of like throwing 1 ping pong ball into 99 ounces of turbulent water and declaring all I see are ping pong balls. In fact it was only after I recognized how skewed and dysfunctional our perception of reality is that I began to make real progress towards free energy.

It's kind of strange because most Theists do not recognize material things as 99% non-physical in it's nature yet I as an Atheist do. What we call material is only 1% material immersed in a sea of energy which is seen as non-physical. Even more strange is the fact that we have never touched or sensed anything physical and it's only our mind deciphering electrical signals from the field interactions present. No physical particles ever come into contact and all forces relate directly to the fields surrounding the particles of matter. Thus everything we have ever sensed or measured could be considered non-physical because it is always a field interaction. Adding to the confusion is the fact that nobody seems to know what a field is...

It's no wonder everyone is so confused because science will not recognize spirituality and yet most all of science revolves around field interactions which are regarded as non-physical in it's nature. So the scientists don't believe in the non-physical things the science is based on and the theists don't believe in science which actually proves there beliefs have some merit. It's just one big old bundle of mass confusion isn't it?, lol.

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