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Author Topic: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics  (Read 9865 times)

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Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« on: September 28, 2021, 02:53:14 AM »
This is the new thread for the Lüling magnet motor.
« Last Edit: September 28, 2021, 10:56:31 PM by Ufopolitics »

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Re: Lueling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2021, 10:55:32 PM »
Thanks Stefan, for opening this Thread for me!!


And I want to paste here the O.U Forum Agreement and Rules about the Builder's Boards and Threads in general:


Word from the O. U. administrator regarding the builders board and its topics.                                                         

"Each board can also have many different Threads, but the Builder will also be the moderator in all these Threads of his board...so remember this.  He has the power then to delete messages he does not like. If you want to criticize him in any aspect or find an error in his work, you should be friendly and let him know. If he does not like your critics and deletes it, you can only save your posting and then post it again into another board, where the builder has no moderator rights  and discuss it over there. this case I can not retrieve your critics postings, as it was already deleted, so better save your postings on your own hard disk, before you post it to the forum for later retrieval...
But I hope this will be all going in a good and friendly manner and people will not fall out over each other and don´t start name calling  and flame wars. "

Notes 1

The Builder is the moderator in all the threads of his board...so remember this.

He has the power then to delete messages he does not like.

Those deleted postings cannot be retrieved.


So, I will be enforcing and executing, exactly as it is written above.


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This is My Builder´s Thread where I will expose the way I see Lüling's Motor Principle, was originally conceived and built, it is my point of view, and am not saying I could not be wrong, anyone can be wrong, and so do I.
However, on my first video of my setup, I demonstrate very clearly, it was a very successful build, it reached 400 plus RPM's while Lüling's reaches 298 RPM's...That tells me right there I am -somehow- on the right track.


And that was on a Plexiglass Model with Two Pairs of 1/2 Inch Neo 52 Grade Permanent Magnets, where ONLY two of those magnets are the one in charge to Spin the Rotor.


I can make a Full Metal Motor, because I have the Tools, the Equipment and the Expertise to do so, with much bigger Magnets, more complex mechanics and Pneumatics Systems.


But, for now, I would like to expand on this same simple model, before moving on a heavier metal setup, in order to share what I have learn so far...


For those that have not seen my Video, here it is:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytCVQ-OZZmM




Thanks very much for your interest in Lüling Motor and on this Thread!!




Regards to All




Ufopolitics






« Last Edit: October 03, 2021, 08:48:50 PM by Ufopolitics »

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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2021, 11:26:12 PM »
Hello to All,


I would like to clarify that I am NOT claiming to be the First Lüling Follower-Builder that replicated this Motor using Pneumatics...


You Tube user Manfred Klug also built a Lüling Motor, based on Pneumatics, about Four Years ago...below is his #10 Video showing it running:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ6--Fqkdjs&t=17s


I believe it is a great build, a nice setup...


However, the reason why -I believe- his motor does not run stronger and faster...is due to his Magnetic arrangement, where there is no Neutralization Alignment.


His Rotor is based on Laminated Steel and no magnets...so it runs based on attraction from Magnets on Stator to a Steel Rotor, plus the moving Steel Arc also made of Steel...which would never, ever be as strong as Magnet to Magnet Interactions.




Regards
« Last Edit: October 03, 2021, 08:46:22 PM by Ufopolitics »

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WARNINGS ABOUT THIS THREAD
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2021, 08:17:45 PM »
Hello to All,


I want to establish some of my RULES about My Thread below:


1- This Setup is about a FULL ROTARY MAGNET MOTOR just like Lüling Motor is.


So, it means that ANY LINEAR ARRANGEMENT, or anything "NON FULLY ROTARY" posted here, through links, images, etc,etc, would be considered as "NON RELATED" and it would be DELETED, without any given explanation.


2- In My Setup, as in Lüling Motor, (As I see it) DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY ELECTRICAL INPUT to Run, meaning, NO COILS, NO ELECTROMAGNETS, NO SOLENOIDS, No Reed Switches, No Field Transistors, etc, and of course, NO BATTERIES REQUIRED.


So, any posts that start even "suggesting" the use of ANY OF THE ABOVE, or any possibility as to use ELECTRIC POWER, will be DELETED, as NON RELATED.






I know perfectly well, how to use ALL OF THE ABOVE IN MY SETUP, and I know it will work as well, BUT I WILL NOT BE USING ANY AT THIS POINT.


I have build Fully Electric Motors from SCRATCH, and, I mean REAL FULL METAL MOTORS, including DIFFERENT TYPES OF WINDINGS, NEVER SEEN BEFORE...INVENTED BY ME, MYSELF AND I.


And I have proof of ALL am saying and more...My videos are Public on My Youtube Channel, as well as ALL My Previous Threads in ENERGETIC FORUM about these Fields.




Resuming, and asking as a favor...Please, do not make me start deleting posts, just because of REASONS ABOVE, previously WARNED ABOUT.




ABOUT BUILDING THIS SETUP:

I MAKE MY OWN PARTS...and I do not mean in "wood" or "plastic"... ;D


I am referring to Stainless Steel, Regular Steel, Brass and Aluminum...I build from bushings to levers, to all shafts required for the assembly.
I can MIGWELD, TIGWELD, SOLDER, TORCH (Oxygen-Acetylene) to heat up, bend, cut,  Aluminum, Steel and Brass...
I have my own LATHE to shape almost everything I need from scratch.


I have all kind of AIR TOOLS to cut, press, grind, sand, polish, rivet, etc,etc all I want...


I also have Electrical Tools...


I have learned a long time ago, that it is always MUCH better, if you do not have to "DEPEND" upon ANYBODY ELSE to make your parts...


I also DO ALL MY SETUP FIRST IN 2D CAD, 3D CAD, before I start cutting and grinding parts...IN ORDER TO CHECK RIGHT ANGLES, RIGHT PATTERNS, RIGHT MOVEMENTS.


This BUILD REQUIRES A VERY HIGH PRECISION, PLUS MUST BE VERY, VERY sturdy (FIRMLY BUILT), meaning, NO WOBBLING, NOT UNEVEN, NOT UNBALANCED SPINNING...VERY ACCURATELY BUILT!!


WHY DID I WROTE ALL OF THE ABOVE?


BECAUSE I do not want You to waste your time and your money, if you would not be able to make it ALL by yourself, whether because of lack of the proper tooling, equipment or simply, capability-expertise to make it, without depending upon "Third Parties"...




I THANK ALL OF YOU for reading me and participating if you can and wish to REPLICATE my SETUP.


Next I will be displaying in detail (Graphics, CAD, Images) about NEUTRALIZATION the way I have ACHIEVED IT, related to My Build.




Regards and Thanks again.




Ufopolitics


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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2021, 09:23:14 PM »
thanks Ufopolitics we are looking forward to starting this new project, hoping that something functional will come out of this project.
best regards STI 8)

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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2022, 08:19:05 PM »
I moved here from another thread that covers this machine. Special moderation is very important nowadays to keep out disruptive elements that are spreading disinformation. Yes, they even present their own constructions to show that something is not working. It is often impossible to follow when other inventions start to mix with the original subject. In fact, I myself have already deviated from the original Luling system by wanting to replace the compressed air with a mechanical solution. But I'm invited here so I feel welcome. The image shows where I've come so far digital. What needs to happen now is to make the mechanical push back (neutralization) as sharp (short) as possible and adjustable. I use fusion 360 cad software and 3D printing for fast prototyping. To be continued.

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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2022, 09:14:18 PM »
I moved here from another thread that covers this machine. Special moderation is very important nowadays to keep out disruptive elements that are spreading disinformation. Yes, they even present their own constructions to show that something is not working. It is often impossible to follow when other inventions start to mix with the original subject. In fact, I myself have already deviated from the original Luling system by wanting to replace the compressed air with a mechanical solution. But I'm invited here so I feel welcome. The image shows where I've come so far digital. What needs to happen now is to make the mechanical push back (neutralization) as sharp (short) as possible and adjustable. I use fusion 360 cad software and 3D printing for fast prototyping. To be continued.


You are very Welcome here Knovos!!

I am the Moderator on this Thread PLUS ALL other Topics opened under the main Builder's Thread Lüling Motor.

And yes, the other Non Related Topic here I just gave them a Warning to move their THread and I will be deleting all data on Wednesday at 3:00 PM my time.

As well as any "NOISE" of anyone posting any BS non related crap, would also be deleted.

It is the only way we could communicate clearly.




Regards




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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2022, 10:52:45 PM »
@Knovos,


"I will have to study what mechanical constructions there are for such a task. The great thing about this machine is that we don't have to gamble. It is very clear what needs to be done and how everything works. You made a cristal clear video and showed the world a device THAT WORKS! I'm going to move to the builder's forum you're suggesting, and go from there."


Think about levers and their laws...springs which retain energy and "not necessarily" we need to fully discharge them to obtain our desired movements and force...


The good thing about experimenting with the real setup...is that it gives you the real data we need to work on this...for example:


The maximum force required to pull the attract magnet, is only required for about 2 to 3 mm of distance...after that, is  moved back with one finger... ;D

Imagine a Toggle Switch...but making the "triggering" part very, very soft, and not needing to travel too long of a distance...while amplifying the force applied, plus the distance with small levers and small springs...

Yes, It can be done!!


Cheers




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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2022, 07:58:57 PM »
Hello to All,

A very useful tool that I highly recommend when building my setup, is a Digital Force, Push-Pull Gauge...
I got mine on EBAY, (the cheapest one) for like  $58.00 USD, it is 500 Newtons max capacity, but enough when playing with small 1/2 inch magnets.


Picture shown

First, You will need to know what is the Angular Force that Your Repulse Magnet at your rotor is generating whenever you start Turning OFF Neutralization...then understand that the more you set apart the attraction magnet or "spread the attract gap" (weakening attraction force).

Of course, to do this test right, you must fix the gauge on the stator plate, and barely touching repulse magnet with point attachement and extension bar.


My 52 Neo generates around 17 to 20 Newtons max...


Also this Gauge will be very useful to measure the springs force you would be using in a fully mechanical device...the exert pressure force required to move a specific lever, etc,etc...


Cheers




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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2022, 08:05:56 PM »
APPLYING GAUGE TO READ MAX MAGNET FORCE

Here are a couple of pics of a Scene I am working on for a second video animation...it shows pretty clearly how to  apply Digital Gauge to measure your Magnetic Repulse Force.


Of course, you will  have to build your own "gig" or a bracket with a lever (like is shown on image) in order to pull the attract magnet smoothly while reading...
The Gauge must be fixed to plate surface, it comes with built in four nuts on lower body plus four small bolts...


But, believe me, this test will show you exactly what would be your correct attract magnet displacement or gap opening DISTANCE, as the generated force increases on the repulse magnet side.


You will also learn, that even a very small displacement of attract magnet will start generating a force at 180º...


Then you will realize that the regulation of this attract gap would be the acceleration-deceleration of your future magnet motor... ;D




Regards




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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2022, 08:38:05 PM »

APPLYING GAUGE TO READ MAX MAGNET FORCE PART 2

Here is another picture, showing repulse magnet at Max Angle of Force...
Note Lever has pulled magnet backwards...as rotor have a wider angle than previous images...


Like I said before, this type of magnets will generate from 17 to 20 Newtons, which is about 4.5 (4.496) lbf ...


The angle of max force lasts around 15º (active) from zero (0º) being the straight Bisector Alignment...


...which let Us think that many more magnet pairs (at 180º apart)  could be set on this Rotor, after we play enough with this Dual Pair setup...


Cheers




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« Last Edit: January 31, 2022, 03:33:02 PM by Ufopolitics »

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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2022, 08:42:56 AM »
Wouldn´t it take less force to sheer the attraction magnet rather then pull it?

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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2022, 03:20:15 PM »
Wouldn´t it take less force to sheer the attraction magnet rather then pull it?


Someone already asked this question on my YT Channel...
The plain and simple answer is "yes", it will take less force to sheer, or slide magnet off than pulling it straight outwards...

Now the question is ..."would it work the same way?...would motor run at all?


In order to answer the above question, you will need to imagine the invisible magnetic fields on both magnets in attraction...

Then realize that Magnetic Fields have a Spatial Diameter of operation which goes further away than the physical body of the Permanent Magnet.


In the case of a Motor, simply composed by a Stator and a Rotor, the Rotor have a "Spatial Orbital Magnetic Field" which has a specific distance or extension (beyond the rotor physical distance) whether spining or static...


Now, if you sheer or just slide the Stator Magnetic Field...would it separate from the Rotor Orbital Magnetic Field?


Come on!!, I bet you could answer that question yourself...


The "Effect" that we achieve by straight out sudden separation, not only drives Stator Attract Field away from Rotor Orbital Field, but it creates the "Fading Effect" of weakening (very fast) the Attraction Magnetic Field Force...then as immediate response, the Repulse Field (at 180º apart) gains back a full force...

Hope this answered your question




Cheers




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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2022, 02:31:35 PM »

Very well done. The magnet pump is fun to play with but seperation by direct pull between the attraction magnets would be nearly impossible. The gap between the magnets extremely critical!

The setup is made for a GAP neutralization coil to mask the attraction. The 3 to 1 COP probably will reappear.


Great, glad you've got it...hope everyone around and watching does as well...


Another disagreement here with your "statement" : but separation by direct pull between the attraction magnets would be nearly impossible.


Nothing is "impossible" unless we want it to "see it" that way...

First ancient Physicist we all need to bring here is Archimedes...


"Give me a lever, long enough and a Fulcrum where to set  it...and I can move the World..."


1- The strongest direct pull only takes a couple of mm and after that short distance you could move it with one finger...


2- The Pull works directly proportional to the Rotation, which means, if rotor spins freely it will "cooperate" to work and once in motion the pull force is reduced according to speed gain...


To design a Mechanical System that does this job is not easy...takes time, patience and skills, but definitively it can be done... ;D




Cheers




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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2022, 05:20:04 PM »

Regardless of any skill level no mechanical device could ever deliver the function and efficiency of a GAP coil neutralizatio pulse to achieve the seperation. Running one in Adam's backspike resonance where the pulse first attracts the rotor magnet, then the backspike masks the backing magnets and allows seperation.


Anyway good luck on your build.


On this Thread, my Thread, I do not want to involve ANY ELECTRICAL COILS, except, in a future to Generate Electricity.


Here I want to develop a Pneumatic Motor and a Fully Mechanical System, period.


It looks like Lulling uses a rotating shield to do that job.


Lüling had TWO PROTOTYPES shown on his video, One standing still, where he spins rotor slightly with one finger...
And the RUNNING PROTOTYPE...which is the one I am working on.


The Two Types have different configurations...and the one standing still, I can not evaluate, since it is very little shown about it.


This is a BUILDER´S THREAD, not a debating one...


There is another Thread here about Lüling where you can go and start your other possibilities and assumptions>>>>> Luling Old Thread




I was very polite with you...I answered all your questions, but now you are creating a deviation from the Thread, So I will ask you to stop posting here.




Thanks




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