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Author Topic: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics  (Read 9813 times)

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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2022, 10:18:37 PM »
Wow, that is looking very good.
Very simple which is always the best design.
I don't see yet how the piston comes back, are the springs pushing and pulling?
I will try this!


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Knovos


Thanks Knovos,


Yes, in this  image the Piston is backwards, pushing the rear gold disc and with added tension to Springs and locked, when you release the red trigger downwards, it releases piston and rear gold plate under spring tension PUSHES Piston forward...until gold disc stops at Blue center piece, but Piston is being ejected forward to then hit the front Gold Disc which adds more tension to spring...causing Piston to BOUNCE BACKWARDS in a matter of milliseconds...


You need to realize we setup these springs with an already existing Tension , not loose, so they do not need to start from zero...all this design does is to add more tension that what it is already being set.




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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2022, 12:27:12 AM »
Hello,


Here is another image, showing Piston retracted as previously shown, and then by releasing latch (Lock) Piston is propulsed forwards...
FIG 2 is actually a very short timed image that you see Piston extending spring by means of Brass, Gold Plate...as it Immediately Bounces back.




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« Last Edit: March 19, 2022, 06:02:51 PM by Ufopolitics »

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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2022, 06:08:21 PM »

Hello to All,



Working on the 3D Model...


This would be what the Double Action OTF Piston look like...not finished yet...


On this Software (MAYA) I will be able to Animate the Strokes, the stretching of Springs and run the Frame rate very precisely...for my next video purposes

But, basically, I  wanted to build it in 3D before starting to Lathe Machine, CNC, Drill, Cut...grind  etc,etc...on  the Shop in  order to have every angle covered while simulating it running.


Also, and mainly...The Latch-Locking System (not shown here, still working on it)...I want to make it here first, articulate it (pivot) and see all the better ways to build it more effectively...


I am very confident this setup will work beautifully...and I could even dare to  say it would work better than the previous Pneumatic Piston...




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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2022, 06:30:05 PM »

Hello,

One main thing that I have been thinking about are the Front and Rear Plates configuration...while going over the Physics which rule this device...


And then realize that these two plates could NOT be built too heavy...so, on the previous Graphic I have them with Brass color and pretty thick (they look like Training Weights...LOL)...then make it all work out in my mind...


Fact is, IF the plates are too heavy, they will kill the Piston Weight Inertia Forces at Impact with Plates before stretching the spring the required distance...


So, I will make them in Aluminum, and may insert a small Brass Sleeve at their center...later on.


Also, I will build these Plates in order their outer surface also slide on the inner surface of the Outer Housing...Like shown on previous Graph, for Plates to work more stable as less stress on main Piston Shaft...since they will be much more lighter.




This Piston could be sealed and work with a bit of Oil inside without leaking...






Just thinking out loud... ;D




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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #49 on: March 28, 2022, 05:27:21 AM »
Hello,Ufopolitics

I watched your video. I think the principle you showed is similar to the 1975 J. William putt patent us3992132. I hope it can be helpful to you :)

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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2022, 05:59:34 PM »
Hello,Ufopolitics

I watched your video. I think the principle you showed is similar to the 1975 J. William putt patent us3992132. I hope it can be helpful to you :)


WOW RhineX!!


What an incredible find!!


Nice, I will go over that Patent in detail.


I noticed he is using both types, attract and repulse...


very interesting!


Many thanks




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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2022, 06:46:17 PM »
ENERGY CONVERSION SYSTEM- ABSTRACT  (PAT # 3992132 )




Patent Link here


Relative motion is provided between a set of primary magnets positioned along a path of relative motion, and a set of secondary magnets positioned along the path of motion to confront the primary magnets. Such motion causes the primary magnets to displace the secondary magnets in directions transverse to the path. Power output means are driven by transverse displacement of the secondary magnets.

The polarities of the magnets are such that the forces of magnetic attraction in one direction parallel to the path are substantially equal to the forces of magnetic repulsion in the opposite direction parallel to the path, whereby a minimum of energy is required to produce said relative motion.


This invention relates to an energy conversion system wherein primary motion in a given path produces secondary motion in a direction transverse to the given path. It has long been known that primary motion in a given path may produce secondary motion in a transverse direction by means of mechanical components such as cams, levers, gears and other simple mechanical movements either used alone or in combination with each other. These prior systems have required physical contact between relatively movable elements and thus have involved substantial energy losses due to the friction which is inherent in such contact.


The present invention is characterised in one respect by the fact that there is no physical contact between the relatively movable elements. This result is achieved by the use of relatively movable sets of magnets, one set being movable transversely to the path of relative movement. Another aspect of the invention involves the balancing of the magnetic forces of attraction and repulsion. This is achieved by having a plurality of interconnected primary magnets with polarities which coact with the polarities of the transversely movable secondary magnets so that the forces of magnetic attraction in one direction parallel to the given path of relative movement are substantially equal to the forces of magnetic repulsion in the opposite direction parallel to the given path. This arrangement results in a minimization of the energy required to produce relative movement in the given path between the primary and secondary magnets.


According to the present invention, a set of primary magnets are disposed along an endless path. A set of secondary magnets are also disposed along the path, each being movable in a direction transverse to the path. Drive means are provided for producing relative movement between the primary and secondary magnets along the endless path so that each primary magnet relatively moves successively into alignment with the secondary magnets, thereby producing transverse movement of the secondary magnets. Power-output means are operated by this transverse movement of the secondary magnets. The polarities of the magnets are such that the forces of magnetic attraction in one direction parallel to the endless path are substantially equal to the forces of magnetic repulsion in the opposite direction parallel to the endless path, whereby magnetic forces impose no substantial resistance to relative movement of the magnets in their endless path. In the preferred embodiment of the invention which is illustrated herein, the endless path is circular, all of the primary magnet means being fixed with respect to each other and supported by a common rotary shaft. The primary magnets all have the same polarity in the given path. The secondary magnets, proceeding along the given path, are of alternating polarities, so that a primary magnet during its movement will alternately attract and repel successive secondary magnets. It is also preferred that the power output means be fluid pumps connected to each of the secondary magnets to create fluid pressure in response to the transverse movement of the secondary magnets.

These fluid pumps are connected together so as to provide an output of pressurized fluid which may be stored under pressure, used when desired to drive a fluid-operated motor and then recirculated through a reservoir to the individual pump means for each of the secondary magnets. A primary utility for this invention is in the propulsion of land vehicles such as automobiles, trucks, rail vehicles and the like. Individual hydraulic motors may be provided for each drive wheel in order to achieve the known advantages of excellent accelleration and precisely controllable decelleration to minimize the use of the vehicle brakes.
Even though Sir Williams does not mentions the word "Neutralization" in the whole patent as  Lüling does...just read my bold out sentence above, where he specifies that both forces (Attract & Repulse) are "substantially equal"... ;)


He has put together a multiple pumps system which works at alternate piston positioning, so while one sucks in, other pumps out...


However, Sir William is not claiming to be a self motional Motor, as it requires a second Motor to run the rotor, preferably, of course, to use a Hydraulic Motor (as I would also add a Pneumatic Motor),  since we already have a multiple Pumping System with Input-Output being a closed system as this Prime Mover could feed from the Pressurized Tanks... ;D




Excellent find RhineX!!




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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #52 on: April 04, 2022, 04:07:20 PM »
@ Only for Builders working on my Lüling concept:


Recently I suggested the use of a Piston assembly, based on the OTF Knife tech...and I did some drawings, as Knovos did as well...
I finally received a couple of these knifes...and experimented with them a lot...took them apart, replaced the springs, modified some other ways,  etc,etc...


I want to inform here, that it will not work if we just use the Inertia Forces to push/pull magnet mechanisms.

On the knife, springs only work for a short distance, while piston is fired based on inertia, back and forth...but that "free travel" by inertia, no matter how heavy your piston is, does not develop the required forces we need, since distance we need is so small...and even knife distance, being greater, does not make it either.

So, the solution should be that piston is ejected and retracted by CONSTANT SPRING DOBLE ACTION acting at all times on Piston, and so, being able to adjust these pressures, back and forth.

I am working on a "Reinforced Design version" where this requirements are considered.

Please, do not think I am "away" from, or has forgotten this building Thread at all, just because of working on another project here...




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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #53 on: April 04, 2022, 08:12:48 PM »
I'm still on this project in my own thread "Luling magnet motor with 3D printed parts".
I finally got my pressure meter, so I can now do more based on values instead of trial and error;-) I had printed a couple of OTFs but I couldn't figure out how to apply this mechanism, so I ran away from it.

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Re: Lüling magnet motor by Ufopolitics
« Reply #54 on: August 22, 2022, 10:17:19 PM »
Hello to All,

Well, did you All think I left or abandon this project?

Wrong!!...and no matter if I reach OU in my other project...this Magnet Motor is also my priority... ;)

I have been working on it...basically hand made sketches...and mind 3D imagination, probably at all times...

The Movement we are all looking for is very clear...We need a soft, smooth triggering of a very short distance, while actuating a bigger distance with much more stronger forces...and acting very fast, between back-forth movements!!

So, here is my newest proposal, it took me a while to get here:

It is based mainly on Two Main "twin" springs, meaning, exactly the same size, strength, and traveling distance-forces, pivoting a center "T" Bracket.

Then a Center Triggering mechanism, also spring actuated, but only on one direction.

All Three springs would be regulating its pressures by an adjusting nut.

In the Neutral or Center positioning, (FIG1) we adjust both twin springs pressures equally, to the point they will not pivot either way (right or left), meaning, they both would be pretty equalized.

Then we test to move center "trigger" spring assembly just a bit...to see which is the "tendency"...is it right or left?...and so, we do this test a few times.

If we have a LEFT tendency of T Bracket (Neutralization ON), then we leave it like that...

If NOT, but it turns out "too stabilized" that it could go either way...then we give a second tightening to Right Spring, in order to amplify its force, just a bit more than Left Side Spring.

We want the "T" bracket to always return to LEFT or Neutral Positioning, after triggering to the Right (Neutralization OFF) with just a minimal push of the lower ball at CENTER Trigger Spring Assembly.

The Center Triggering Spring Assembly will "add" Forces to either side where it leans towards, assisting the spring nearest to its side.

You could add Arrows as Vectors of Forces to see the whole thing better.

The Trigger rollers traveling full distance is 4 mm...but it should trigger ON at 2.5 to 3.0 mm.


The Trigger Point is shown on FIG1, the bottom roller, as it reads "Trigger Point" with an arrow to the roller.

I will be building this mechanism separatedly, but in real measurements, so all I need to do, is bolt it on to the Motor platform.

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