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Title: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: onepower on August 28, 2021, 09:30:46 PM
Here's an interesting Free Energy debate...

1)If free energy devices are a supposed scam then why has the government seized so many and classified all the material as top secret?. If it's just a scam why all the interest, why all the seized patents and material, why all the NDA's, gag orders and threats?. Obviously it must have some value and be a matter of "national security" otherwise they wouldn't have gone to so much trouble.

2)If free energy devices are a supposed scam then why has every successful FE inventor been approached by government/corporations with briefcases full of money and contracts?. Why is everyone such a hot mess fumbling over each other trying to be the first to get these inventors to sign contract/NDA's if it's not real?...that's kind of strange isn't it?.

3)In many cases like Hubbard, Hendershot, Moray etc there were demonstrations and tests carried out in front of many credible people. Many credible experts tested the devices and determined the claims made were true and that they didn't understand how the devices worked. Should we not believe credible experts, are all experts not to be believed just because we don't like there answers?.

4)If free energy devices are a supposed scam then why has almost every successful FE inventor been threatened including death threats by so many people?. I mean being shot, shot at, poisoned, property stolen and torched, beat up, family members beaten and threatened and the list goes on. Why all the drama and so many people becoming deranged psychopaths over supposedly nothing?...that's kind of strange isn't it?.

It would seem to me anyone claiming there's nothing to see and nobody cares must be blind or stupid. Obviously countless people and government/corporate entities care a great deal otherwise they wouldn't have gone to so much trouble and expense to try to stop FE technology.

I think it's comical... it's not real and nobody cares, ***as they all come completely unhinged and do everything in there power to stop you***, lol.

Regards
AC
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: MagnaProp on August 29, 2021, 06:28:18 AM
1) The goverment wants to maintain control. You maintain control by owning/controlling content, whether the content is valid or not.

2) A lot of "successful" inventors say they have been approached with "briefcases and contracts". When the inventor starts sounding more like a used car salesman that doesn't show their working device, a lot of briefcases and contracts close.

3) The biggest issue I see is wading through the sea of available "credible experts" and determining which ones are actually credible. No shotage of fakes and the real ones are far and few between.

4) Almost every successful FE inventor has a story of being threatened and so on, because they more often than not belong to the category I mention in question number three.


I would one day like to find the patent that Edward Leedskalnin clearly says he filed in one of this books. I believe he belongs to the "credible" category of experts. Can't find a single word elsewhere that goes into it. Hmmmm.
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: onepower on August 31, 2021, 11:27:02 PM
Magnaprop
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A lot of "successful" inventors say they have been approached with "briefcases and contracts". When the inventor starts sounding more like a used car salesman that doesn't show their working device, a lot of briefcases and contracts close.

This is where 99% of inventors make there first mistake... Viktor Schauberger was a classic example.

Viktor had the working theory all nailed down and demonstrated working devices to countless credible people. Then some parasite businessmen from Texas conned him into going to the U.S. to demonstrate his devices. They then blackmailed him, forced him to sign contracts/NDA's and never delivered on any of there promises. Viktor having lost his devices, being conned into signing over all his technology for nothing and gagged then returned to Austria where he soon died.

From talking with many other free energy inventors I have come to understand what happened to Viktor Schauberger has happened to almost every other successful inventor. They were conned and gagged or had a misfortunate accident as if every successful FE inventor suddenly becomes accident prone... what a shit show.

Knowing the history of free energy inventors I have adopted a new strategy and when approached by business people/investors I just tell them to f@#$ off. I mean the biggest companies on the planet, ie Microsoft, Apple, Amazon basically started in someone's garage. They recognized the value of there idea and didn't sell out to the first !@#clown peddling false promises they obviously couldn't deliver on. The free energy community should adopt a similar strategy and the moment FE inventors stop allowing themselves to be conned and gagged is when FE goes mainstream.

Back to your statement..."When the inventor starts sounding more like a used car salesman that doesn't show their working device, a lot of briefcases and contracts close". So the correct response is to tell the people with the briefcases and contracts to f!@# off. If people like Bill Gates, Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos can turn a garage based company into a trillion dollar venture then so can we... DIY.

Regards
AC



Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: onepower on September 01, 2021, 12:19:31 AM
Here is a good example of a FE inventor doing it himself, DIY.
https://www.hydrogengarage.com/store/
https://www.hydrogengarage.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=90

Bob Boyce is no dummy and like myself he's been around the block a time or two. He has seen his friends and colleagues in the FE community continually getting screwed over by parasitic business people and paid shills peddling BS. So FE inventors may want to consider adopting this strategy...
1)build it, start a company and sell it.
2)if people don't like it they can return it.
3)However this notion that just because someone doesn't "believe it" is bs because beliefs have no place in a business selling real products that work as claimed.
4)if you have a belief that's wonderful, keep it too yourself, nobody cares what you believe, facts matter.

I think this is the way forward for the free energy community because it does many things...
1)it empowers creative people with new idea's.
2)it empowers the inventor to generate there own profit and grow there own business not reliant on some parasite promising the moon who can never deliver.

This should be the new business model every free energy inventor should embrace in my opinion. This notion of trying to convince other people consumed by false beliefs is a lesson in failure. Let them believe whatever nonsense they want, meanwhile our company will be selling real technology people want... deal with it.

Regards
AC

 
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: MagnaProp on September 01, 2021, 09:02:17 AM
...They then blackmailed him, forced him to sign contracts/NDA's and never delivered on any of there promises.
...They were conned and gagged or had a misfortunate accident as if every successful FE inventor suddenly becomes accident prone...
...So the correct response is to tell the people with the briefcases and contracts to f!@# off. If people like Bill Gates, Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos can turn a garage based company into a trillion dollar venture then so can we... DIY....

The odds are not stacked in our favor, that is for sure. The points I highlighted lead to one of the biggest reasons free energy peeps keep failing. We are pasionate about what we do. To the point of not caring about much else. Especilly the business side of things which most of us consider the root of all evils. If you don't have business sense, or the sense to hire someone that does, then you will most likely fail. Even those that have succeeded have come very close to failure. Elon Musk has videos where he talks about how close Tesla was to failing. Tesla is till propped up by selling a lot of carbon credits to other companies. That's still considered a large bubble that could burst for Tesla. Other "successfull" companies like Uber and Lyft still loose a billion or two each quarter. They only exist still because corportations keep giving them millions. Just two examples of how difficult it is to have a truly "successfull" business. Imagine how many of us would succeed if there were corporations willing to give us millions as we loose a billion or two each quarter.

Giving it my best shot though currently. I expect one of three outcomes from my endeavor in the next two years.

1- My device works and as a result I will be dead in two years.
2- My device works and I'm a multimillionaire from it.
3- My device doesn't work so I'll still be alive.

Things are leaning towards 1 and 3 but I'm hoping for outcome number two.
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: onepower on September 03, 2021, 06:36:19 PM
Companies like Tesla are for long term investors who recognized electric vehicles are the future. It's also a way to put our money where our mouth is and support clean energy systems. I pulled all my investments in fossil fuels for this reason.

The system is rigged and most inventors are sought out by head hunters hoping to gag them through contracts/NDA's. If this doesn't work then as a last resort there just bought out.

It's the American way to break or buy out the competition to stop innovation and maximize profit. So now many companies exist only to hope they get bought out. In this respect pure capitalism  is moving towards socialism with a few corporations owning everything.  We will soon see people becoming trillionares while most remain poor if this continues.

As a few smart billionaires put it, this cannot be sustained and will only result in economic collapse and civil war. Russia is a good example and it's turned into a cesspool of corruption and greed.

Interesting times ahead...

Regards
AC

Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: Floor on September 04, 2021, 01:05:41 AM
@ onepower

I vaguely remember a post some where,  that described the efficiency or
rather the inefficiency of the North American electric power distribution grid.

Was that one of your posts ?
If so do you remember what topic it was in ?
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: onepower on September 04, 2021, 05:39:47 AM
Floor
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I vaguely remember a post some where,  that described the efficiency or
rather the inefficiency of the North American electric power distribution grid.

Was that one of your posts ?
If so do you remember what topic it was in ?

It's pretty easy to do the calculations...

Most power generating stations here in Canada are gas fired boiler/steam turbines or gas turbines with waste heat boilers. I won't even get into coal fired stations because there a joke. So the a boiler could run 80% efficiency and the steam turbine 80% and a gas turbine/waste heat boiler could run near the same. So we have lost at least 20% off the top and we could easily lose another 20% on the generator side.

Now were looking at line or transmission losses over hundreds of miles which is basically ohms law. Then we need to step down the HV to 600/480/240/120 volts through multiple transformers and we know all about those losses near 10 to 20% on each step. It's actually kind of amazing any energy actually reaches our house considering the losses.

Other regions like Europe solved this problem by using remote power generation, ie. combine heat and power. That is power generation near the consumer so they can utilize both the power and waste heat from the generators. Now were looking at upwards of 80% efficiency while we generally eject all the waste heat to a river or lake and it's wasted.

This is why CHP, combined heat and power near the consumer will always win. So with solar or free energy we not only produce cheap, clean power but also eliminate all the waste heat, transformer and line losses which are the bulk of the losses.

Now we could consider all those millions of people who lost power because of wildfires, hurricanes, floods ie. climate change and brown outs for lack of generation capacity in severe heat. I get it, we need power, however the current power transmission scheme is unworkable. Everyone in the industry like myself is in panic mode because demand is greater than supply and all these transmission systems are ancient. Many of the components in these systems are older than I am and I'm no spring chicken at 50+, lol

Look at your power bill, in many cases the line maintenance/administration costs are three times the actual cost of the energy provided. The actual energy is still relatively cheap to produce here in Canada with 80% hydro power however the external costs are rising ie. line maintenance/losses. This is the killer not so much generation efficiency which is pulling there own weight so far as new technology is concerned.

It's easy to start pointing fingers however the fact is most people in the energy industry are doing the best they can with what they have to work with. The old generation system is going to hell in a handbasket and most have no idea how we can make a transition to new technology. This is uncharted territory and we have never seen this kind of transition in our lifetime.

My greatest worry is what I know of energy technology, if we try to transition too FE to fast there will be trillions of dollars of stranded assets, untold bankruptcies effecting the economy which will ultimately effect tens of millions of jobs. These are real people just trying to make a living like you and myself who deserve consideration. Free energy is easy, but how do we make the transition to it?... in this respect I am lacking.

Regards
AC

 

Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: Floor on September 04, 2021, 07:24:03 AM
Thanks
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: ramset on September 05, 2021, 03:44:13 PM
Fossil fuels hiding behind the curtain
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2EA4tDYwNYo (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2EA4tDYwNYo)


Rip the bandaid off !!


Or continue....


Like sitting around on the post berg Titanic
Discussing new drapes for captains quarters


Or repaint on foredeck in springtime .... ( gotta keep everybody busy ??


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It is our destiny to “evolve” and do the next right thing !


You want to change the world?
 “ BE that change”


Respectfully
Chet K



Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: lancaIV on September 05, 2021, 04:16:23 PM
from 35-38% coal/gas to power efficiency to 58% co-generation efficiency !


BE that Change ! BE that Chance !  ::)


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=alfons+genswein&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=alfons+genswein&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)


http://www.geocities.ws/cosbytech/ (http://www.geocities.ws/cosbytech/)


For example: Compression work can be estimated by dh. If thevapor to be compressed is cooled during the process by 50%dh, then 50% of the work of compression is done withoutmechanical work. AND the end result will be greater savings.All public buildings. high-rises, schools, remote facilities, shopping malls, and small communities can have their own electric plant. The undeveloped world will be spared the expense of stringing hundreds of miles and thousands of pounds of copper wire between central plants and users. The unit for a police station, school or McDonald"s restaurant could fit into a closet. Air and thermal pollution will be reduced to the minimum.


https://overunity.com/13744/free-power/15/ (https://overunity.com/13744/free-power/15/)


https://web.archive.org/web/20120903004151/http://whatistemperature.com/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20120903004151/http://whatistemperature.com/)
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: Floor on September 05, 2021, 04:27:00 PM
Partial quote



My greatest worry is what I know of energy technology, if we try to transition too FE to fast there will be trillions of dollars of stranded assets, untold bankruptcies effecting the economy which will ultimately effect tens of millions of jobs. These are real people just trying to make a living like you and myself who deserve consideration. Free energy is easy, but how do we make the transition to it?... in this respect I am lacking.

Regards
AC

                                 If we do not make the transistions.
There will be trillions of dollars of stranded assets, untold bankruptcies effecting the economy which will ultimately effect tens of millions of jobs. These are real people just trying to make a living like you and myself who deserve consideration.

                       

I'm pretty fed up with the planet's future being held ransom, and the justification
of this by greed.  Be the change.

Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: seychelles on September 05, 2021, 09:10:35 PM
TRILLION OF DOLLARS LOCKED IN THE UNDERGROUND TUNNEL IN THE SWISS ALPS.
TRILLION OF STUPID DOLLARS LOCKED UP IN DIGITAL CRYPTO FUZZY WAZZY DIGITAL
HARDRIVES. BUT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS NOT GREED. BUT ALL HUMANITY DO NOT
KNOW OUR TRUE PURPOSE OF TRIVIAL PANDEMIC EXISTENCE. AND THE REASON WHY
WE DO NOT KNOW IS BECAUSE EVERY THOUGHTS WORDS AND ACTION HAS TO BE OF
TRUE SELF INTENT. MAY IT BE GOOD OR BAD.
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: onepower on September 06, 2021, 03:42:28 AM
floor

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If we do not make the transistions.
There will be trillions of dollars of stranded assets, untold bankruptcies effecting the economy which will ultimately effect tens of millions of jobs. These are real people just trying to make a living like you and myself who deserve consideration.

I'm pretty fed up with the planet's future being held ransom, and the justification of this by greed.  Be the change.

I just wanted to point out our choices have consequences and show both sides of the story.

There are also different kinds of greed to consider. Many want free energy inventors to give them this technology and this would save a great deal of money on there utilities and fuel, is that not greed?. So the profit they would gain is comparable to the profit others in the fossil fuel industry would lose. So how is there greed any different than others?.

I often questioned how I succeeded in FE while so many others didn't. My conclusion was that it was greed in some sense, I wanted it more than others and was willing to do whatever it took and change my thinking/beliefs in order to get the job done.

That's the kicker isn't it?... many want free energy but there not willing to change there beliefs or way of doing things to get it. Not unlike the saying, you can lead a horse to water but cannot make them drink.

In fact it was never about other people and what they believe or do it was always on us as individuals. You could discover how free energy works just as well as anyone else. That's what I never could understand and many people claim to want FE then proceed to do everything in there power to ensure they never get it. They refuse to change when all that is required is change...

We should also be clear it's not the planet's future being held ransom, the planet will be just fine, it's us and our children's future in question. In fact most have already claimed there is no circumstance which could ever change there beliefs which will be there undoing. In nature things adapt and change or they die... this is the natural order of things.

Regards
AC





Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: lancaIV on September 06, 2021, 03:48:47 AM
 it's us and our children's future COMFORT in question  ::)  but : productive work does not harm
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: Floor on September 06, 2021, 05:07:43 AM
greed

Webster’s Dictionary
a selfish and excessive desire for more of something than is needed.

https://dict.hinkhoj.com/greed-meaning-in hindi.words
an uncontrolled longing for increase in the acquisition or use of material gain ;
or social value, such as status, or power. Greed has been identified as undesirable
throughout known human history because it creates behavior-conflict between
personal and social goals.

dictionary.com
excessive or rapacious desire, especially for wealth or possessions.

Princeton university WordNet
an “excessive desire to acquire or possess more than one needs or deserves.

Greek pleonexia, originating from the Greek πλεονεξια, is the word that is
most commonly translated as greed.

The word pleonexia found in the writing of both Plato and Aristotle, and is
defined as “the insatiable desire to have what rightfully belongs to others.”

John Ritenbaugh describes it as a “ruthless self-seeking, and an arrogant
assumption that others and things exist for one’s own benefit.”

Greek scholar William Barclay describes pleonexia as an “accursed love of
having,” which “will pursue its own interests with complete disregard for the
rights of others, and even for the considerations of common humanity.”

https://www.anquotes.com/quotes-about-greed/

and so on...
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: MagnaProp on September 06, 2021, 06:26:56 AM
A concern of mine is what happens if and when we find a free energy device that works? Does food production and famine stop? Does the earth and all living things on it begin to heal?

Or does our path of destruction continue? Can we now wage war with drones 24/7 since they no longer need to stop for fuel or the fuel cost is so low now with our "free energy device", that its price is insignificant. Drone mining operations can continue to run 24/7 without needing to stop for rest. They can keep stripping the earth of resources so that mansions can continue to have wall to wall marble stoned toilets and walls. Does all our trash and waste that goes into landfills and the ocean magically stop. Does it increase since its now even less expensive to produce such garbage due to our new "free energy" device?

We could do a lot less harm to the environment now if we wanted to. Why would a free energy device stop such greed? Sure I have 10 iPhones that work perfectly fine but why not continue to throw those away and get the latest one that has even more features I will never use.

Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: MagnaProp on September 06, 2021, 07:01:21 AM
...Russia is a good example and it's turned into a cesspool of corruption and greed...
I agree with all you said. Another concern of mine is how well humans can adapt to seemingly terrible conditions. Even your Russia can look like a dream come true to someone willing to hang onto the outside of a C-17 for what ever their reasons may be. A lot of people will die as conditions get worse on this planet but if Eskimos can live in the harsh arctic, some people will find a way to survive as the earth continues to rot.

What I'm after I suppose is not simply a free energy device but how do we change the thinking of the human species. Assuming it can be changed. We appear to be like a virus that is spreading and killing its host. How do we stop the spread of such a virus? Can it be stopped? Does the human species want it to stop? 

...It is our destiny to “evolve” and do the next right thing !
Sadly it's our nature to resist change and stay with what we know.

...I often questioned how I succeeded in FE while so many others didn't. My conclusion was that it was greed in some sense, I wanted it more than others and was willing to do whatever it took and change my thinking/beliefs in order to get the job done...
Our motivation is only greed if it's only for ourselves. The definition of greed gets muddy when we start thinking of being "fairly" compensated for our work.
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: onepower on September 06, 2021, 07:36:54 AM
Magnaprop

I think you nailed it...

In many respects free energy and more power can only accelerate a fundamentally flawed set of beliefs. In a world infatuated with greed and consumerism more energy is not a viable solution. It would simply allow mankind to do what were presently doing faster, cheaper and on a larger scale. Not unlike the completely absurd notion that more powerful weapons would deter war.

“It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.”
― Voltaire

To be honest, to be in the free energy club of those who have come to understand it is a curse. All that time and effort, but more so finding clarity in our thoughts and looking past most common beliefs. It wasn't long after I understood how free energy works that I also understood it doesn't matter. It's simply a better mousetrap, a more efficient machine, nothing more. It does not have the capacity to save anyone from anything, including themselves...

For example, just recently the Pentagon/government released video proving that what we call UFO's are in fact real. Millions of people who have seen them like myself knew this however I was surprised that it was basically a non-event. What should have been the greatest discovery in the history of mankind was basically ignored. As well when I explained this to my friends all they could do is give me this glassy eyed stare off into space. Prior there was some criticism or talking points however now it's simply no comment... silence.

So the majority of people are stuck between a rock and a hard place and there beliefs will not allow them to move forward. As we can see there is a great deal of hostility and fear of any science or facts which challenges there beliefs. Half the population doesn't want to move forward but more so backwards and live in the past. I think this is the reason why so many free energy inventors in the past just walked away and moved on with there life. Your damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Strange times, people are already starting to lose it and the levels of anxiety/intolerance are rising. I'm optimistic about the future but then again I'm generally wrong about everything initially, lol.

Regards
AC




Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: lancaIV on September 06, 2021, 11:56:05 AM
It is clearly also ' pricing politics ' !
When we go to the supermarket we buy things with offered Kg or Lt. Price !
The world-market for goods and materials is per ton offered !
1 Wattpeak solarcell now for 6 Gr. material-input available ,material + real transformation costs per Kg ?
1 Wattpeak for less than 1 Gr. as thermionic cell ,1 Kg thermionic cell real costs ?
1000 W for 100 US$ selling price ? 50 US$  fob factory ?

Free societies : East-West- conflict ,protected markets

The East opening,clearly a great consumer market but also a great industrial producer capacity !
Concurrence,under 'no capital tax allowance '- condition by social laws and order rules !
'no capital tax' : also fundamental  religion member case
That in religious societies,today political  also called socialist(-communist) economies the production costs by salaryare 80% lower,compared capital taxing economies, is not undemocratic but " fair - social -  trade " !

More than half from our population on Earth ,around the Equator with relative mild climate,would be glad about
2 KWh( 3 KWh with simple mirror,1500 KWh solar radiation per annum/sqm; more as artificial light tube : 5000 KWh/a for ≤ 100 US$) free converted electricity per household per day and for 50 US$ investment  !

Cheap production factory technology proliferation ( in a container-box) : per 10 sqkm one Megafactory
 or like ' M.I.T.' :  CD-DVD Laser-player/conventional printer as "solar ink/graphene" cell-factory in each private household or central community-house .


E.U. and U.S.A. represents only 10% from the world population :

the actually  living standart not a Vision for the other 90%, offering destroying ecology and economy !
Internal a 'cold civil war' to see ! Society-mobbing,Triage

The political chance for change ,as example :The E.U.- mediterrean countries Contract,Barcelona 1992
Contract-Member : Syria,Turkey,Lybia,.......
1992 ! An E.U. political ' Pearl harbour' ! 

From Khadafi 'Green Book' islamic social-democracy to 'Scharia'(-like) north-african societies/estates !
Well done !
' Arabian spring '(Tunisia) to ' arabian cold winter' ( social)  !
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: stivep on September 06, 2021, 04:58:11 PM
greed
Webster’s Dictionary
a selfish and excessive desire for more of something than is needed.

Greed is *natural behavior of human animal protecting future of himself and his  offspring .*

Greed
has a strong biological basis. However, it has an even stronger social basis. This sets it somewhat apart from self-preservation and reproduction.
https://public.wsu.edu/%7Etaflinge/socgreed.html (https://public.wsu.edu/%7Etaflinge/socgreed.html)
Greed  was bend, deformed, - projected as rejectile  by  concept of patriotism clergy,religions, politicians, , by other greedy  elements seeing in it easy business, gain and social lift .
Word  "Greed" is often used by these who wants something to be given , for free.
So it demands sacrifice from others  by  simple use of  word greed in negative connotation.
Elements called greedy are expected to give  something  for free:
- give  your life for the country ( but actually for current  political greedy gainers)
- donate money  as you may have  an  to much  of it  in the opinion  of   less fortunate  in life.
- give  out your  for free Free energy device and we the crowd  quickly forget your gift   the same as we forgot these who lost their life in battle for Afghanistan .
That is why army  in USA is paid  job. You want work - you got it.
In Russia and other  regimes "patriotism" is used   as a form of brainwash  for children  not to oppose mandatory army .
*Greedy Tyrants* in power  gained  cheap  zombied  army of these ready to die  for  the regime.
 _________________________________________
Some other forms of fight with the greed is  revolution, or government  regulation  fighting with  oligarchy.
 But that often changes only the old greedy individuals   by others greedy revolutionaries
Wesley
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: stivep on September 06, 2021, 05:29:24 PM
It is clearly also ' pricing politics ' !
When we go to the supermarket we buy things with offered Kg or Lt. Price !
The world-market for goods and materials is per ton offered !
1 Wattpeak solarcell now for 6 Gr. material-input available ,material + real transformation costs per Kg ?
Simple  mechanism.You must work or  pay for work of others.
You may  be forced or  you may force others( modern slavery)
Friends are  convenient  but family is closer to you.
You make as much money as others   are willing to pay(  farmers, manufacturers, resellers) or pushed to pay.( taxes,)
Nothing is fair  till you as crowd  have power to demand fairness.
Wesley
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: lancaIV on September 06, 2021, 06:07:10 PM
Simple  mechanism.


You must work or  pay for work of others.  bilateral opportunity-complex



You may  be forced or  you may force others( modern slavery)  a. education : negative enforcement ?



Friends are  convenient  but family is closer to you.  EVER ? ::)  Cause I have to give or to receive ?! ;)  Pale creeper opportunity ?



You make as much money as others  are willing to pay(  farmers, manufacturers, resellers) or pushed to pay.( taxes,)


to pay (mostly/cash) or to finance (consumer credit) ? Is the demand (from my/the other side) legal ?


Nothing is fare  till you as crowd  have power to demand fairness.


The crowd : majority or minority ?

Wesley


our system works anymore such primitive,also reminding the 80´California "barter-movement" (which value has time ? service-time ?)
and actually https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-17/coronavirus-economy-neighbors-barter-trade-produce (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-17/coronavirus-economy-neighbors-barter-trade-produce)  ,
it is more sublimal in progress


No plaintiff, no judge ( or judge manipulation peacefull  8) /enforced ::) ;D  )
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: onepower on September 06, 2021, 07:22:59 PM
stivep
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Greed is *natural behavior of human animal protecting future of himself and his  offspring .*
Greed has a strong biological basis. However, it has an even stronger social basis. This sets it somewhat apart from self-preservation and reproduction.
https://public.wsu.edu/%7Etaflinge/socgreed.html
Greed was bend, deformed, - projected as rejectile  by  concept of patriotism clergy,religions, politicians, , by other greedy  elements seeing in it easy business, gain and social lift

What's going on in Texas may be a sign of things to come. Many in government and the supreme court claimed they had no interest in challenging the right of a woman to have control over her own body and future. However now we know they lied to gain power and intend to do exactly what they claimed they wouldn't do. This seems to be a familiar pattern of behavior... the lies.

In my opinion it's more greed and a lust for power over others than anything. If they were real men they would leave the women and children alone and hold the men responsible for there actions. What's happening in Texas and other states reminds me of Afghanistan or Iran. In my opinion it's a clear sign of weakness and insecurity in the men who seem unable to take responsibility for there own actions. 

It begs the question why a supposed "man" would feel so compelled to dominate and control the actions of women and children?, lol. Does anybody find this a little strange and really creepy?. That other supposedly grown men are completely infatuated with and cannot stop thinking about what your wife and children may be doing?. If that isn't completely messed up I'm not sure what is...

Here in Canada we have a different theory, grow up, take responsibility for your actions and stay the hell away from us and our family.

Regards
AC
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: lancaIV on September 06, 2021, 08:21:44 PM

                      Nothing is fare  till you as crowd  have power to demand fairness.




https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.lernhelfer.de/schuelerlexikon/geschichte/artikel/kommunistisches-manifest


                                  1848 first time published as program from Bund der Gerechten/Kommunistische Partei




                                                                             Anti-Marx


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Weber




https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worte_des_Vorsitzenden_Mao_Tsetung (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worte_des_Vorsitzenden_Mao_Tsetung)


                                       1965 first time published,illiterates quote in PRC 1965-2021

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Gr%25C3%25BCne_Buch (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Gr%25C3%25BCne_Buch)

                                        1975 first book publishing

Since Libya did not previously have a constitution (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Verfassung?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=ajax,elem,se) , The Green Book was viewed as such.

                                        Lybia : ililterates quote 1975-2021

Gaddafi called his theories the "Third Universal Theory"; this is to be understood as an alternative to the systems of capitalism (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Kapitalismus?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=ajax,elem,se) and communism (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Kommunismus?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=ajax,elem,se) .




                               Somebody actually writing an "Yellow Book" ? ::)
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: Floor on September 06, 2021, 11:30:16 PM
Greed and desire are not the same thing.
Desire has no inherent connection to greed.

Greed is a compulsive behavior.
Greed is motivated by a fear.

All compulsive behaviors have a fear element to them.
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: lancaIV on September 07, 2021, 09:29:31 PM
It seems somebody is writing (privatly) in a/his "Yellow book" ,not "Uncle Ho"  ::) :


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://orf.at/stories/3226842/ (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://orf.at/stories/3226842/)

Marx( und Engel deren Sozial-Lehre)ismus,vollendst angewandt, bedeutet langfristig die Nihilisierung des Staates !


                                       PRC to     PR     to     P    und P=R        =  l´Etat : c´est MOI


                                       Platon-isch betrachtet  ;D  und uebersetzt: ICH BIN der Staat




                                       TOTAL SOCIAL AUTONOMY and SOCIAL NEGANTHROPHY :   Le FAMILY = c´est MOI


                                      Bis dahin :       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_equilibrium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_equilibrium)
                         

                                     


                                     



                                                                   " Another boring Free Energy Debate "


                                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic_free_energy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic_free_energy)


                                          Electro-Magneto Dynamic/EMD = sub-process from thermo(-cryo-)dynamic


                                                                                        ENERGY is


https://www.mecholic.com/2015/10/what-is-exergy-and-anergy.html#:~:text=Exergy%20to%20determine%20the%20potential,remaining%20part%20is%20called%20anergy.&text=When%20the%20system%20becomes%20equilibrium,there%20is%20no%20exergy%20available (https://www.mecholic.com/2015/10/what-is-exergy-and-anergy.html#:~:text=Exergy%20to%20determine%20the%20potential,remaining%20part%20is%20called%20anergy.&text=When%20the%20system%20becomes%20equilibrium,there%20is%20no%20exergy%20available).
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: lancaIV on September 08, 2021, 06:15:47 PM
Oh,the chinese finan/-e/cial building is shaking :


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/wirtschaft/Chinas-Immobilien-Giganten-droht-Schulden-Gau-article22791197.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/wirtschaft/Chinas-Immobilien-Giganten-droht-Schulden-Gau-article22791197.html)


about the "world sociological (r)-evolution " ,also stated by genetics  :


                                              Genderism ( by language.by body)


genetical difference rainworm   -      human            percentage ?


                             Zwitter      - Zwitter=fe-/male= bi       and male=mono            Bio-Anatomy ! Bio-Analytics ! Brain-Analytics


                                               intro-/extra-vertiert                       ?


Taliban-and Talmud society get an hirarchy definition problem : dynaste priority the fe+male over the male,ever  !


                                               male = servant ,actually


                                                          bio-technical replaceable :


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.tagesspiegel.de/wissen/erfolg-bei-zeugung-mit-spermien-aus-der-retorte-werden-maenner-entbehrlich/13018186.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.tagesspiegel.de/wissen/erfolg-bei-zeugung-mit-spermien-aus-der-retorte-werden-maenner-entbehrlich/13018186.html)


     From/Von Maenner-/Man-Harems( 1 Pascha ,many wifes)  to future Woman-/Frauen-Harems ( 1 female Pascha,many mans ) !


                                                  China,das ist das natuerliche Prinzip in Marx Thesen ! Dieser : ein erwiesener Alltags-Rassist !
 
                                                  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technologische_Singularit%C3%A4t (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technologische_Singularit%C3%A4t)  and social singularity

                                                  The WOMAN-Estate : L´ Etat ,c´est Moi !


     Or have we to see the estate-leader as " Grand-mother Xi" , gelbe Ameisen-Volk-(Drag)Queen ?
Title: Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
Post by: MagnaProp on September 11, 2021, 10:18:26 AM
...It wasn't long after I understood how free energy works that I also understood it doesn't matter. It's simply a better mousetrap, a more efficient machine, nothing more. It does not have the capacity to save anyone from anything, including themselves...
The best thing I can hope for is to help bring to light, tools that could be used to help this planet if mankind ever chooses to.

If it has the tools and still decides to go down the wrong path, which I think it will, at least I can then say we had no excuses. "You wanted free energy, clean energy, well here you go ... and you still managed to F it all up." No more endless dead end treasure hunts for forgotten patents, missing information and on and on. I want to be able to say here it is in black and white. To that end I'm giving myself three years. Three years to release any info I may find that leads to a full and complete working energy device that is vastly more efficient and cleaner than what we currently have. After three years of making any such discovery, the info gets released one way or another.

I think it's too easy to fall into the trap of saying I did all the work so screw the rest of you. I think that makes me more part of the problem as apposed to any possible solution, even if the chances of a solution are slim to none. We all have to find our own path if we discover such info but that's the plan I'm going with currently.

...For example, just recently the Pentagon/government released video proving that what we call UFO's are in fact real. Millions of people who have seen them like myself knew this however I was surprised that it was basically a non-event. What should have been the greatest discovery in the history of mankind was basically ignored. As well when I explained this to my friends all they could do is give me this glassy eyed stare off into space. Prior there was some criticism or talking points however now it's simply no comment... silence...
Hollywood movies have helped the masses become numb to seeing such "evidence". If it looks more like a lens flare and less like Optimus Prime, people just aren't that interested. They quickly loose interest and go back to more important things like mindless Twitter and Facebook posts. So their thinking has changed, just not for the better.