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Offline Floor

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Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2021, 05:07:43 AM »
greed

Webster’s Dictionary
a selfish and excessive desire for more of something than is needed.

https://dict.hinkhoj.com/greed-meaning-in hindi.words
an uncontrolled longing for increase in the acquisition or use of material gain ;
or social value, such as status, or power. Greed has been identified as undesirable
throughout known human history because it creates behavior-conflict between
personal and social goals.

dictionary.com
excessive or rapacious desire, especially for wealth or possessions.

Princeton university WordNet
an “excessive desire to acquire or possess more than one needs or deserves.

Greek pleonexia, originating from the Greek πλεονεξια, is the word that is
most commonly translated as greed.

The word pleonexia found in the writing of both Plato and Aristotle, and is
defined as “the insatiable desire to have what rightfully belongs to others.”

John Ritenbaugh describes it as a “ruthless self-seeking, and an arrogant
assumption that others and things exist for one’s own benefit.”

Greek scholar William Barclay describes pleonexia as an “accursed love of
having,” which “will pursue its own interests with complete disregard for the
rights of others, and even for the considerations of common humanity.”

https://www.anquotes.com/quotes-about-greed/

and so on...

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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2021, 06:26:56 AM »
A concern of mine is what happens if and when we find a free energy device that works? Does food production and famine stop? Does the earth and all living things on it begin to heal?

Or does our path of destruction continue? Can we now wage war with drones 24/7 since they no longer need to stop for fuel or the fuel cost is so low now with our "free energy device", that its price is insignificant. Drone mining operations can continue to run 24/7 without needing to stop for rest. They can keep stripping the earth of resources so that mansions can continue to have wall to wall marble stoned toilets and walls. Does all our trash and waste that goes into landfills and the ocean magically stop. Does it increase since its now even less expensive to produce such garbage due to our new "free energy" device?

We could do a lot less harm to the environment now if we wanted to. Why would a free energy device stop such greed? Sure I have 10 iPhones that work perfectly fine but why not continue to throw those away and get the latest one that has even more features I will never use.


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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2021, 07:01:21 AM »
...Russia is a good example and it's turned into a cesspool of corruption and greed...
I agree with all you said. Another concern of mine is how well humans can adapt to seemingly terrible conditions. Even your Russia can look like a dream come true to someone willing to hang onto the outside of a C-17 for what ever their reasons may be. A lot of people will die as conditions get worse on this planet but if Eskimos can live in the harsh arctic, some people will find a way to survive as the earth continues to rot.

What I'm after I suppose is not simply a free energy device but how do we change the thinking of the human species. Assuming it can be changed. We appear to be like a virus that is spreading and killing its host. How do we stop the spread of such a virus? Can it be stopped? Does the human species want it to stop? 

...It is our destiny to “evolve” and do the next right thing !
Sadly it's our nature to resist change and stay with what we know.

...I often questioned how I succeeded in FE while so many others didn't. My conclusion was that it was greed in some sense, I wanted it more than others and was willing to do whatever it took and change my thinking/beliefs in order to get the job done...
Our motivation is only greed if it's only for ourselves. The definition of greed gets muddy when we start thinking of being "fairly" compensated for our work.

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Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2021, 07:36:54 AM »
Magnaprop

I think you nailed it...

In many respects free energy and more power can only accelerate a fundamentally flawed set of beliefs. In a world infatuated with greed and consumerism more energy is not a viable solution. It would simply allow mankind to do what were presently doing faster, cheaper and on a larger scale. Not unlike the completely absurd notion that more powerful weapons would deter war.

“It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.”
― Voltaire

To be honest, to be in the free energy club of those who have come to understand it is a curse. All that time and effort, but more so finding clarity in our thoughts and looking past most common beliefs. It wasn't long after I understood how free energy works that I also understood it doesn't matter. It's simply a better mousetrap, a more efficient machine, nothing more. It does not have the capacity to save anyone from anything, including themselves...

For example, just recently the Pentagon/government released video proving that what we call UFO's are in fact real. Millions of people who have seen them like myself knew this however I was surprised that it was basically a non-event. What should have been the greatest discovery in the history of mankind was basically ignored. As well when I explained this to my friends all they could do is give me this glassy eyed stare off into space. Prior there was some criticism or talking points however now it's simply no comment... silence.

So the majority of people are stuck between a rock and a hard place and there beliefs will not allow them to move forward. As we can see there is a great deal of hostility and fear of any science or facts which challenges there beliefs. Half the population doesn't want to move forward but more so backwards and live in the past. I think this is the reason why so many free energy inventors in the past just walked away and moved on with there life. Your damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Strange times, people are already starting to lose it and the levels of anxiety/intolerance are rising. I'm optimistic about the future but then again I'm generally wrong about everything initially, lol.

Regards
AC





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Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2021, 11:56:05 AM »
It is clearly also ' pricing politics ' !
When we go to the supermarket we buy things with offered Kg or Lt. Price !
The world-market for goods and materials is per ton offered !
1 Wattpeak solarcell now for 6 Gr. material-input available ,material + real transformation costs per Kg ?
1 Wattpeak for less than 1 Gr. as thermionic cell ,1 Kg thermionic cell real costs ?
1000 W for 100 US$ selling price ? 50 US$  fob factory ?

Free societies : East-West- conflict ,protected markets

The East opening,clearly a great consumer market but also a great industrial producer capacity !
Concurrence,under 'no capital tax allowance '- condition by social laws and order rules !
'no capital tax' : also fundamental  religion member case
That in religious societies,today political  also called socialist(-communist) economies the production costs by salaryare 80% lower,compared capital taxing economies, is not undemocratic but " fair - social -  trade " !

More than half from our population on Earth ,around the Equator with relative mild climate,would be glad about
2 KWh( 3 KWh with simple mirror,1500 KWh solar radiation per annum/sqm; more as artificial light tube : 5000 KWh/a for ≤ 100 US$) free converted electricity per household per day and for 50 US$ investment  !

Cheap production factory technology proliferation ( in a container-box) : per 10 sqkm one Megafactory
 or like ' M.I.T.' :  CD-DVD Laser-player/conventional printer as "solar ink/graphene" cell-factory in each private household or central community-house .


E.U. and U.S.A. represents only 10% from the world population :

the actually  living standart not a Vision for the other 90%, offering destroying ecology and economy !
Internal a 'cold civil war' to see ! Society-mobbing,Triage

The political chance for change ,as example :The E.U.- mediterrean countries Contract,Barcelona 1992
Contract-Member : Syria,Turkey,Lybia,.......
1992 ! An E.U. political ' Pearl harbour' ! 

From Khadafi 'Green Book' islamic social-democracy to 'Scharia'(-like) north-african societies/estates !
Well done !
' Arabian spring '(Tunisia) to ' arabian cold winter' ( social)  !
« Last Edit: September 06, 2021, 02:52:18 PM by lancaIV »

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Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2021, 04:58:11 PM »
greed
Webster’s Dictionary
a selfish and excessive desire for more of something than is needed.

Greed is *natural behavior of human animal protecting future of himself and his  offspring .*

Greed
has a strong biological basis. However, it has an even stronger social basis. This sets it somewhat apart from self-preservation and reproduction.
https://public.wsu.edu/%7Etaflinge/socgreed.html
Greed  was bend, deformed, - projected as rejectile  by  concept of patriotism clergy,religions, politicians, , by other greedy  elements seeing in it easy business, gain and social lift .
Word  "Greed" is often used by these who wants something to be given , for free.
So it demands sacrifice from others  by  simple use of  word greed in negative connotation.
Elements called greedy are expected to give  something  for free:
- give  your life for the country ( but actually for current  political greedy gainers)
- donate money  as you may have  an  to much  of it  in the opinion  of   less fortunate  in life.
- give  out your  for free Free energy device and we the crowd  quickly forget your gift   the same as we forgot these who lost their life in battle for Afghanistan .
That is why army  in USA is paid  job. You want work - you got it.
In Russia and other  regimes "patriotism" is used   as a form of brainwash  for children  not to oppose mandatory army .
*Greedy Tyrants* in power  gained  cheap  zombied  army of these ready to die  for  the regime.
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Some other forms of fight with the greed is  revolution, or government  regulation  fighting with  oligarchy.
 But that often changes only the old greedy individuals   by others greedy revolutionaries
Wesley
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Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2021, 05:29:24 PM »
It is clearly also ' pricing politics ' !
When we go to the supermarket we buy things with offered Kg or Lt. Price !
The world-market for goods and materials is per ton offered !
1 Wattpeak solarcell now for 6 Gr. material-input available ,material + real transformation costs per Kg ?
Simple  mechanism.You must work or  pay for work of others.
You may  be forced or  you may force others( modern slavery)
Friends are  convenient  but family is closer to you.
You make as much money as others   are willing to pay(  farmers, manufacturers, resellers) or pushed to pay.( taxes,)
Nothing is fair  till you as crowd  have power to demand fairness.
Wesley

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Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2021, 06:07:10 PM »
Simple  mechanism.


You must work or  pay for work of others.  bilateral opportunity-complex



You may  be forced or  you may force others( modern slavery)  a. education : negative enforcement ?



Friends are  convenient  but family is closer to you.  EVER ? ::)  Cause I have to give or to receive ?! ;)  Pale creeper opportunity ?



You make as much money as others  are willing to pay(  farmers, manufacturers, resellers) or pushed to pay.( taxes,)


to pay (mostly/cash) or to finance (consumer credit) ? Is the demand (from my/the other side) legal ?


Nothing is fare  till you as crowd  have power to demand fairness.


The crowd : majority or minority ?

Wesley


our system works anymore such primitive,also reminding the 80´California "barter-movement" (which value has time ? service-time ?)
and actually https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-17/coronavirus-economy-neighbors-barter-trade-produce  ,
it is more sublimal in progress


No plaintiff, no judge ( or judge manipulation peacefull  8) /enforced ::) ;D  )

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Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2021, 07:22:59 PM »
stivep
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Greed is *natural behavior of human animal protecting future of himself and his  offspring .*
Greed has a strong biological basis. However, it has an even stronger social basis. This sets it somewhat apart from self-preservation and reproduction.
https://public.wsu.edu/%7Etaflinge/socgreed.html
Greed was bend, deformed, - projected as rejectile  by  concept of patriotism clergy,religions, politicians, , by other greedy  elements seeing in it easy business, gain and social lift

What's going on in Texas may be a sign of things to come. Many in government and the supreme court claimed they had no interest in challenging the right of a woman to have control over her own body and future. However now we know they lied to gain power and intend to do exactly what they claimed they wouldn't do. This seems to be a familiar pattern of behavior... the lies.

In my opinion it's more greed and a lust for power over others than anything. If they were real men they would leave the women and children alone and hold the men responsible for there actions. What's happening in Texas and other states reminds me of Afghanistan or Iran. In my opinion it's a clear sign of weakness and insecurity in the men who seem unable to take responsibility for there own actions. 

It begs the question why a supposed "man" would feel so compelled to dominate and control the actions of women and children?, lol. Does anybody find this a little strange and really creepy?. That other supposedly grown men are completely infatuated with and cannot stop thinking about what your wife and children may be doing?. If that isn't completely messed up I'm not sure what is...

Here in Canada we have a different theory, grow up, take responsibility for your actions and stay the hell away from us and our family.

Regards
AC

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« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2021, 08:21:44 PM »

                      Nothing is fare  till you as crowd  have power to demand fairness.




https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.lernhelfer.de/schuelerlexikon/geschichte/artikel/kommunistisches-manifest


                                  1848 first time published as program from Bund der Gerechten/Kommunistische Partei




                                                                             Anti-Marx


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Weber




https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worte_des_Vorsitzenden_Mao_Tsetung


                                       1965 first time published,illiterates quote in PRC 1965-2021

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Gr%25C3%25BCne_Buch

                                        1975 first book publishing

Since Libya did not previously have a constitution , The Green Book was viewed as such.

                                        Lybia : ililterates quote 1975-2021

Gaddafi called his theories the "Third Universal Theory"; this is to be understood as an alternative to the systems of capitalism and communism .




                               Somebody actually writing an "Yellow Book" ? ::)

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« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2021, 11:30:16 PM »
Greed and desire are not the same thing.
Desire has no inherent connection to greed.

Greed is a compulsive behavior.
Greed is motivated by a fear.

All compulsive behaviors have a fear element to them.

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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2021, 09:29:31 PM »
It seems somebody is writing (privatly) in a/his "Yellow book" ,not "Uncle Ho"  ::) :


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://orf.at/stories/3226842/

Marx( und Engel deren Sozial-Lehre)ismus,vollendst angewandt, bedeutet langfristig die Nihilisierung des Staates !


                                       PRC to     PR     to     P    und P=R        =  l´Etat : c´est MOI


                                       Platon-isch betrachtet  ;D  und uebersetzt: ICH BIN der Staat




                                       TOTAL SOCIAL AUTONOMY and SOCIAL NEGANTHROPHY :   Le FAMILY = c´est MOI


                                      Bis dahin :       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_equilibrium
                         

                                     


                                     



                                                                   " Another boring Free Energy Debate "


                                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic_free_energy


                                          Electro-Magneto Dynamic/EMD = sub-process from thermo(-cryo-)dynamic


                                                                                        ENERGY is


https://www.mecholic.com/2015/10/what-is-exergy-and-anergy.html#:~:text=Exergy%20to%20determine%20the%20potential,remaining%20part%20is%20called%20anergy.&text=When%20the%20system%20becomes%20equilibrium,there%20is%20no%20exergy%20available.

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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2021, 06:15:47 PM »
Oh,the chinese finan/-e/cial building is shaking :


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/wirtschaft/Chinas-Immobilien-Giganten-droht-Schulden-Gau-article22791197.html


about the "world sociological (r)-evolution " ,also stated by genetics  :


                                              Genderism ( by language.by body)


genetical difference rainworm   -      human            percentage ?


                             Zwitter      - Zwitter=fe-/male= bi       and male=mono            Bio-Anatomy ! Bio-Analytics ! Brain-Analytics


                                               intro-/extra-vertiert                       ?


Taliban-and Talmud society get an hirarchy definition problem : dynaste priority the fe+male over the male,ever  !


                                               male = servant ,actually


                                                          bio-technical replaceable :


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.tagesspiegel.de/wissen/erfolg-bei-zeugung-mit-spermien-aus-der-retorte-werden-maenner-entbehrlich/13018186.html


     From/Von Maenner-/Man-Harems( 1 Pascha ,many wifes)  to future Woman-/Frauen-Harems ( 1 female Pascha,many mans ) !


                                                  China,das ist das natuerliche Prinzip in Marx Thesen ! Dieser : ein erwiesener Alltags-Rassist !
 
                                                  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technologische_Singularit%C3%A4t  and social singularity

                                                  The WOMAN-Estate : L´ Etat ,c´est Moi !


     Or have we to see the estate-leader as " Grand-mother Xi" , gelbe Ameisen-Volk-(Drag)Queen ?

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« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2021, 10:18:26 AM »
...It wasn't long after I understood how free energy works that I also understood it doesn't matter. It's simply a better mousetrap, a more efficient machine, nothing more. It does not have the capacity to save anyone from anything, including themselves...
The best thing I can hope for is to help bring to light, tools that could be used to help this planet if mankind ever chooses to.

If it has the tools and still decides to go down the wrong path, which I think it will, at least I can then say we had no excuses. "You wanted free energy, clean energy, well here you go ... and you still managed to F it all up." No more endless dead end treasure hunts for forgotten patents, missing information and on and on. I want to be able to say here it is in black and white. To that end I'm giving myself three years. Three years to release any info I may find that leads to a full and complete working energy device that is vastly more efficient and cleaner than what we currently have. After three years of making any such discovery, the info gets released one way or another.

I think it's too easy to fall into the trap of saying I did all the work so screw the rest of you. I think that makes me more part of the problem as apposed to any possible solution, even if the chances of a solution are slim to none. We all have to find our own path if we discover such info but that's the plan I'm going with currently.

...For example, just recently the Pentagon/government released video proving that what we call UFO's are in fact real. Millions of people who have seen them like myself knew this however I was surprised that it was basically a non-event. What should have been the greatest discovery in the history of mankind was basically ignored. As well when I explained this to my friends all they could do is give me this glassy eyed stare off into space. Prior there was some criticism or talking points however now it's simply no comment... silence...
Hollywood movies have helped the masses become numb to seeing such "evidence". If it looks more like a lens flare and less like Optimus Prime, people just aren't that interested. They quickly loose interest and go back to more important things like mindless Twitter and Facebook posts. So their thinking has changed, just not for the better.
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