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Offline onepower

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Another boring Free Energy Debate
« on: August 28, 2021, 09:30:46 PM »
Here's an interesting Free Energy debate...

1)If free energy devices are a supposed scam then why has the government seized so many and classified all the material as top secret?. If it's just a scam why all the interest, why all the seized patents and material, why all the NDA's, gag orders and threats?. Obviously it must have some value and be a matter of "national security" otherwise they wouldn't have gone to so much trouble.

2)If free energy devices are a supposed scam then why has every successful FE inventor been approached by government/corporations with briefcases full of money and contracts?. Why is everyone such a hot mess fumbling over each other trying to be the first to get these inventors to sign contract/NDA's if it's not real?...that's kind of strange isn't it?.

3)In many cases like Hubbard, Hendershot, Moray etc there were demonstrations and tests carried out in front of many credible people. Many credible experts tested the devices and determined the claims made were true and that they didn't understand how the devices worked. Should we not believe credible experts, are all experts not to be believed just because we don't like there answers?.

4)If free energy devices are a supposed scam then why has almost every successful FE inventor been threatened including death threats by so many people?. I mean being shot, shot at, poisoned, property stolen and torched, beat up, family members beaten and threatened and the list goes on. Why all the drama and so many people becoming deranged psychopaths over supposedly nothing?...that's kind of strange isn't it?.

It would seem to me anyone claiming there's nothing to see and nobody cares must be blind or stupid. Obviously countless people and government/corporate entities care a great deal otherwise they wouldn't have gone to so much trouble and expense to try to stop FE technology.

I think it's comical... it's not real and nobody cares, ***as they all come completely unhinged and do everything in there power to stop you***, lol.

Regards
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Another boring Free Energy Debate
« on: August 28, 2021, 09:30:46 PM »

Offline MagnaProp

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Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2021, 06:28:18 AM »
1) The goverment wants to maintain control. You maintain control by owning/controlling content, whether the content is valid or not.

2) A lot of "successful" inventors say they have been approached with "briefcases and contracts". When the inventor starts sounding more like a used car salesman that doesn't show their working device, a lot of briefcases and contracts close.

3) The biggest issue I see is wading through the sea of available "credible experts" and determining which ones are actually credible. No shotage of fakes and the real ones are far and few between.

4) Almost every successful FE inventor has a story of being threatened and so on, because they more often than not belong to the category I mention in question number three.


I would one day like to find the patent that Edward Leedskalnin clearly says he filed in one of this books. I believe he belongs to the "credible" category of experts. Can't find a single word elsewhere that goes into it. Hmmmm.

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Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2021, 11:27:02 PM »
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A lot of "successful" inventors say they have been approached with "briefcases and contracts". When the inventor starts sounding more like a used car salesman that doesn't show their working device, a lot of briefcases and contracts close.

This is where 99% of inventors make there first mistake... Viktor Schauberger was a classic example.

Viktor had the working theory all nailed down and demonstrated working devices to countless credible people. Then some parasite businessmen from Texas conned him into going to the U.S. to demonstrate his devices. They then blackmailed him, forced him to sign contracts/NDA's and never delivered on any of there promises. Viktor having lost his devices, being conned into signing over all his technology for nothing and gagged then returned to Austria where he soon died.

From talking with many other free energy inventors I have come to understand what happened to Viktor Schauberger has happened to almost every other successful inventor. They were conned and gagged or had a misfortunate accident as if every successful FE inventor suddenly becomes accident prone... what a shit show.

Knowing the history of free energy inventors I have adopted a new strategy and when approached by business people/investors I just tell them to f@#$ off. I mean the biggest companies on the planet, ie Microsoft, Apple, Amazon basically started in someone's garage. They recognized the value of there idea and didn't sell out to the first !@#clown peddling false promises they obviously couldn't deliver on. The free energy community should adopt a similar strategy and the moment FE inventors stop allowing themselves to be conned and gagged is when FE goes mainstream.

Back to your statement..."When the inventor starts sounding more like a used car salesman that doesn't show their working device, a lot of briefcases and contracts close". So the correct response is to tell the people with the briefcases and contracts to f!@# off. If people like Bill Gates, Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos can turn a garage based company into a trillion dollar venture then so can we... DIY.

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AC




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Offline onepower

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Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2021, 12:19:31 AM »
Here is a good example of a FE inventor doing it himself, DIY.
https://www.hydrogengarage.com/store/
https://www.hydrogengarage.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=90

Bob Boyce is no dummy and like myself he's been around the block a time or two. He has seen his friends and colleagues in the FE community continually getting screwed over by parasitic business people and paid shills peddling BS. So FE inventors may want to consider adopting this strategy...
1)build it, start a company and sell it.
2)if people don't like it they can return it.
3)However this notion that just because someone doesn't "believe it" is bs because beliefs have no place in a business selling real products that work as claimed.
4)if you have a belief that's wonderful, keep it too yourself, nobody cares what you believe, facts matter.

I think this is the way forward for the free energy community because it does many things...
1)it empowers creative people with new idea's.
2)it empowers the inventor to generate there own profit and grow there own business not reliant on some parasite promising the moon who can never deliver.

This should be the new business model every free energy inventor should embrace in my opinion. This notion of trying to convince other people consumed by false beliefs is a lesson in failure. Let them believe whatever nonsense they want, meanwhile our company will be selling real technology people want... deal with it.

Regards
AC

 

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Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2021, 09:02:17 AM »
...They then blackmailed him, forced him to sign contracts/NDA's and never delivered on any of there promises.
...They were conned and gagged or had a misfortunate accident as if every successful FE inventor suddenly becomes accident prone...
...So the correct response is to tell the people with the briefcases and contracts to f!@# off. If people like Bill Gates, Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos can turn a garage based company into a trillion dollar venture then so can we... DIY....

The odds are not stacked in our favor, that is for sure. The points I highlighted lead to one of the biggest reasons free energy peeps keep failing. We are pasionate about what we do. To the point of not caring about much else. Especilly the business side of things which most of us consider the root of all evils. If you don't have business sense, or the sense to hire someone that does, then you will most likely fail. Even those that have succeeded have come very close to failure. Elon Musk has videos where he talks about how close Tesla was to failing. Tesla is till propped up by selling a lot of carbon credits to other companies. That's still considered a large bubble that could burst for Tesla. Other "successfull" companies like Uber and Lyft still loose a billion or two each quarter. They only exist still because corportations keep giving them millions. Just two examples of how difficult it is to have a truly "successfull" business. Imagine how many of us would succeed if there were corporations willing to give us millions as we loose a billion or two each quarter.

Giving it my best shot though currently. I expect one of three outcomes from my endeavor in the next two years.

1- My device works and as a result I will be dead in two years.
2- My device works and I'm a multimillionaire from it.
3- My device doesn't work so I'll still be alive.

Things are leaning towards 1 and 3 but I'm hoping for outcome number two.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2021, 12:16:26 PM by MagnaProp »

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Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2021, 06:36:19 PM »
Companies like Tesla are for long term investors who recognized electric vehicles are the future. It's also a way to put our money where our mouth is and support clean energy systems. I pulled all my investments in fossil fuels for this reason.

The system is rigged and most inventors are sought out by head hunters hoping to gag them through contracts/NDA's. If this doesn't work then as a last resort there just bought out.

It's the American way to break or buy out the competition to stop innovation and maximize profit. So now many companies exist only to hope they get bought out. In this respect pure capitalism  is moving towards socialism with a few corporations owning everything.  We will soon see people becoming trillionares while most remain poor if this continues.

As a few smart billionaires put it, this cannot be sustained and will only result in economic collapse and civil war. Russia is a good example and it's turned into a cesspool of corruption and greed.

Interesting times ahead...

Regards
AC


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Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2021, 01:05:41 AM »
@ onepower

I vaguely remember a post some where,  that described the efficiency or
rather the inefficiency of the North American electric power distribution grid.

Was that one of your posts ?
If so do you remember what topic it was in ?

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Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2021, 05:39:47 AM »
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I vaguely remember a post some where,  that described the efficiency or
rather the inefficiency of the North American electric power distribution grid.

Was that one of your posts ?
If so do you remember what topic it was in ?

It's pretty easy to do the calculations...

Most power generating stations here in Canada are gas fired boiler/steam turbines or gas turbines with waste heat boilers. I won't even get into coal fired stations because there a joke. So the a boiler could run 80% efficiency and the steam turbine 80% and a gas turbine/waste heat boiler could run near the same. So we have lost at least 20% off the top and we could easily lose another 20% on the generator side.

Now were looking at line or transmission losses over hundreds of miles which is basically ohms law. Then we need to step down the HV to 600/480/240/120 volts through multiple transformers and we know all about those losses near 10 to 20% on each step. It's actually kind of amazing any energy actually reaches our house considering the losses.

Other regions like Europe solved this problem by using remote power generation, ie. combine heat and power. That is power generation near the consumer so they can utilize both the power and waste heat from the generators. Now were looking at upwards of 80% efficiency while we generally eject all the waste heat to a river or lake and it's wasted.

This is why CHP, combined heat and power near the consumer will always win. So with solar or free energy we not only produce cheap, clean power but also eliminate all the waste heat, transformer and line losses which are the bulk of the losses.

Now we could consider all those millions of people who lost power because of wildfires, hurricanes, floods ie. climate change and brown outs for lack of generation capacity in severe heat. I get it, we need power, however the current power transmission scheme is unworkable. Everyone in the industry like myself is in panic mode because demand is greater than supply and all these transmission systems are ancient. Many of the components in these systems are older than I am and I'm no spring chicken at 50+, lol

Look at your power bill, in many cases the line maintenance/administration costs are three times the actual cost of the energy provided. The actual energy is still relatively cheap to produce here in Canada with 80% hydro power however the external costs are rising ie. line maintenance/losses. This is the killer not so much generation efficiency which is pulling there own weight so far as new technology is concerned.

It's easy to start pointing fingers however the fact is most people in the energy industry are doing the best they can with what they have to work with. The old generation system is going to hell in a handbasket and most have no idea how we can make a transition to new technology. This is uncharted territory and we have never seen this kind of transition in our lifetime.

My greatest worry is what I know of energy technology, if we try to transition too FE to fast there will be trillions of dollars of stranded assets, untold bankruptcies effecting the economy which will ultimately effect tens of millions of jobs. These are real people just trying to make a living like you and myself who deserve consideration. Free energy is easy, but how do we make the transition to it?... in this respect I am lacking.

Regards
AC

 


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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2021, 07:24:03 AM »
Thanks

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Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2021, 03:44:13 PM »
Fossil fuels hiding behind the curtain
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2EA4tDYwNYo


Rip the bandaid off !!


Or continue....


Like sitting around on the post berg Titanic
Discussing new drapes for captains quarters


Or repaint on foredeck in springtime .... ( gotta keep everybody busy ??


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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2021, 04:16:23 PM »
from 35-38% coal/gas to power efficiency to 58% co-generation efficiency !


BE that Change ! BE that Chance !  ::)


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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2021, 04:27:00 PM »
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My greatest worry is what I know of energy technology, if we try to transition too FE to fast there will be trillions of dollars of stranded assets, untold bankruptcies effecting the economy which will ultimately effect tens of millions of jobs. These are real people just trying to make a living like you and myself who deserve consideration. Free energy is easy, but how do we make the transition to it?... in this respect I am lacking.

Regards
AC

                                 If we do not make the transistions.
There will be trillions of dollars of stranded assets, untold bankruptcies effecting the economy which will ultimately effect tens of millions of jobs. These are real people just trying to make a living like you and myself who deserve consideration.

                       

I'm pretty fed up with the planet's future being held ransom, and the justification
of this by greed.  Be the change.


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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2021, 09:10:35 PM »
TRILLION OF DOLLARS LOCKED IN THE UNDERGROUND TUNNEL IN THE SWISS ALPS.
TRILLION OF STUPID DOLLARS LOCKED UP IN DIGITAL CRYPTO FUZZY WAZZY DIGITAL
HARDRIVES. BUT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS NOT GREED. BUT ALL HUMANITY DO NOT
KNOW OUR TRUE PURPOSE OF TRIVIAL PANDEMIC EXISTENCE. AND THE REASON WHY
WE DO NOT KNOW IS BECAUSE EVERY THOUGHTS WORDS AND ACTION HAS TO BE OF
TRUE SELF INTENT. MAY IT BE GOOD OR BAD.

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Re: Another boring Free Energy Debate
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2021, 03:42:28 AM »
floor

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If we do not make the transistions.
There will be trillions of dollars of stranded assets, untold bankruptcies effecting the economy which will ultimately effect tens of millions of jobs. These are real people just trying to make a living like you and myself who deserve consideration.

I'm pretty fed up with the planet's future being held ransom, and the justification of this by greed.  Be the change.

I just wanted to point out our choices have consequences and show both sides of the story.

There are also different kinds of greed to consider. Many want free energy inventors to give them this technology and this would save a great deal of money on there utilities and fuel, is that not greed?. So the profit they would gain is comparable to the profit others in the fossil fuel industry would lose. So how is there greed any different than others?.

I often questioned how I succeeded in FE while so many others didn't. My conclusion was that it was greed in some sense, I wanted it more than others and was willing to do whatever it took and change my thinking/beliefs in order to get the job done.

That's the kicker isn't it?... many want free energy but there not willing to change there beliefs or way of doing things to get it. Not unlike the saying, you can lead a horse to water but cannot make them drink.

In fact it was never about other people and what they believe or do it was always on us as individuals. You could discover how free energy works just as well as anyone else. That's what I never could understand and many people claim to want FE then proceed to do everything in there power to ensure they never get it. They refuse to change when all that is required is change...

We should also be clear it's not the planet's future being held ransom, the planet will be just fine, it's us and our children's future in question. In fact most have already claimed there is no circumstance which could ever change there beliefs which will be there undoing. In nature things adapt and change or they die... this is the natural order of things.

Regards
AC






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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2021, 03:48:47 AM »
 it's us and our children's future COMFORT in question  ::)  but : productive work does not harm

 

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