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Title: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on July 23, 2021, 12:56:42 PM
 ::)  Thanks AI it is Frei-/Freya-/Fri-day ,time for designing :


the basic model :


https://books.google.pt/books?id=jSEDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq=garfield+wood+super+electric+car&source=bl&ots=Qw7-MnGha-&sig=ACfU3U3NayfcCxw1iLzHp4asdCtbVDYmIw&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwje9aKIg_nxAhW3BGMBHfNGDuMQ6AEwD3oECBwQAw#v=onepage&q=garfield%20wood%20super%20electric%20car&f=false (https://books.google.pt/books?id=jSEDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq=garfield+wood+super+electric+car&source=bl&ots=Qw7-MnGha-&sig=ACfU3U3NayfcCxw1iLzHp4asdCtbVDYmIw&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwje9aKIg_nxAhW3BGMBHfNGDuMQ6AEwD3oECBwQAw#v=onepage&q=garfield%20wood%20super%20electric%20car&f=false)


https://www.mlive.com/auto/2011/07/volt_schmolt_gold_cup_legend_g.html (https://www.mlive.com/auto/2011/07/volt_schmolt_gold_cup_legend_g.html)


2x 1,5 hp ( or ea. 1,12 KW)  electric 90 Volt DC motor,up to 12 000 RPM =


                                                          rated  2,25 KW  electric


So we will modify the numbers and e-drive model :


2x rated 2 KW
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20091130&CC=PT&NR=104078A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20091130&CC=PT&NR=104078A&KC=A)

and implement


a pedal generator like here  http://omni.mcn.org/ElectriLiteB/ (http://omni.mcn.org/ElectriLiteB/)  Pedal Generators- 600 watts peak


                                                                    pedal electric car






some pedal powered vehicles


https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=pedal+generator+car&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj1poSMivnxAhWDmFwKHYOcDt8QjJkEegQIBhAC&biw=1366&bih=605 (https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=pedal+generator+car&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj1poSMivnxAhWDmFwKHYOcDt8QjJkEegQIBhAC&biw=1366&bih=605)




pedal generator output to battery/capacitor to electric drive


pedal generator output to https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9318 (https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9318) to battery/capacitor to electric drive






something to change in this concept
( after American Wind car performance and Arestov conventional wind generator modification comparison ) :

https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9318 (https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9318)

The Permanent Magnet Alternator  with Arestov double winding

The High Velocity Electric Fan with Pax Scientific Impeller

The High Velocity Electric Fan Motor sourced by


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=JP&NR=2007028879A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=JP&NR=2007028879A&KC=A)

When an adult pedals in average a conventional  generator 100 W per hour electricity ,with improved generator technics the cyclists gets 200 Watt per hour !
The 2x rated 2 KW output e-drives consumes net less than 400 W per hour ! ≤ 400 e-W in,≥ 4 000 mech W out !
The average mech W consume for average velocity is normally 1/3-1/2 rated drive value !



bicycle like pedaling with a. 2x rated 2 KW e-drive with minimum 40 mph top speed


to later b. up to 2x 20 KW rated  Plauson/Imris/Ferreira drive high speed experimental vehicle ( Autodromo Estoril or Faro/Loulé race teste )




                                        XYZ mph top speed ( three digits pedal electric speed  8) )


                                                                      limitless range


                                                    HORCH = AUDI EUGENIK CHAMPIONAT


                                                          multi-user-cycle electrification


https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=mehrpersonenfahrrad&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi9_bDCkvnxAhURoRQKHeY4AxMQjJkEegQIBxAC&biw=1366&bih=605 (https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=mehrpersonenfahrrad&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi9_bDCkvnxAhURoRQKHeY4AxMQjJkEegQIBxAC&biw=1366&bih=605)



                                                               Gar(field) Wood superelectric car

                                                                       June,1967

                                                              rated  2,25 KW  electric


                                      US7411363 (B2) ― 2008-08-12

 The present disclosure has evaluated numerous conventional motor-related circuits and identified new methods that realize power conservation that is approximately 150% to around 200% better than conventionally available motors.
                                                           
                                                                         

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20080812&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=US&NR=7411363B2&KC=B2&ND=4 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20080812&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=US&NR=7411363B2&KC=B2&ND=4)




and who does not like pedaling :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20190207&CC=JP&NR=2019022271A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20190207&CC=JP&NR=2019022271A&KC=A)


this are 1000 ( one thousand ) US$/Euros 2x e-drive + controler + inverter system incl. LTO-battery  costs




It was ridiculous, rated 1,5 KW 4000 RPM electric motor as City-car drive :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001207&CC=DE&NR=10011074A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001207&CC=DE&NR=10011074A1&KC=A1)


It will be standart , in urban zone : 30 Km*h legal speed max. zone !


Global Trendsetter : https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.infranken.de/ueberregional/deutschland/tempolimit-tempo-30-statt-50-in-staedten-spanien-macht-es-vor-art-5207035 (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.infranken.de/ueberregional/deutschland/tempolimit-tempo-30-statt-50-in-staedten-spanien-macht-es-vor-art-5207035)

S.E.A.T. : Sociedad Española de Automóviles de Turismo,  Turismo = Free Time  8) ;D  V.W. = Volks-Wiegenlied



The over-powered car-industry is with this act 90% in price and existence worth deflationated ! Kastriert ! Extinction !
 
Political to compare with PR China 80´  "one child -family politics",


now there new defined  !

But the PR Chineses are now negative fertility consequence approved and intelligent :

https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Junge-Chinesen-wollen-lieber-flachliegen-article22697725.html (https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Junge-Chinesen-wollen-lieber-flachliegen-article22697725.html)


Abort the unwished babies,abort the unwished corrupt Oldies !

CLEAN FUTURE,ZERO-CREDIT FUTURE ! CASH ECONOMY ! Kg-BARTER-TRADE !



Der letzte Speedmaster druecke den letzten Kolbendeckel zu ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6K3a_ug9JE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6K3a_ug9JE)






All cars in future with black-box,velocity recorder,equipped ! 24/365 velocity controle ! USB-stick like,cheap !
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on July 24, 2021, 11:47:50 AM

https://about.bnef.com/blog/battery-pack-prices-cited-below-100-kwh-for-the-first-time-in-2020-while-market-average-sits-at-137-kwh/ (https://about.bnef.com/blog/battery-pack-prices-cited-below-100-kwh-for-the-first-time-in-2020-while-market-average-sits-at-137-kwh/)


Comparison V nominal,Ah and charge cycles




https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/customized-hot-sell-cheaper-price-rechargeable-18650-battery-3-7v-1500mah-1800mah-2500mah-5c-lithium-ion-battery-60823996398.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.66525b0f5WrLxD (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/customized-hot-sell-cheaper-price-rechargeable-18650-battery-3-7v-1500mah-1800mah-2500mah-5c-lithium-ion-battery-60823996398.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.66525b0f5WrLxD)


3,7 V x 1,5 Ah x (1000 Gr./ 45 Gr. each cell) = 123 Wh/Kg ,500 charge cycles


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/china-bulk-sale-3-7v-18650-li-ion-battery-rechargeable-lithium-ion-batteries-1600084471856.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.46a65b0faEWySZ (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/china-bulk-sale-3-7v-18650-li-ion-battery-rechargeable-lithium-ion-batteries-1600084471856.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.46a65b0faEWySZ)


3,7 V x 2,6 Ah x (1000 Gr./44 Gr. each cell) = 218 Wh/Kg ,500-1000 charge cycles


1 KWh = 104 battery cells x 0,99 US$ = 103   US$/KWh
                                 
                                       x 0,2  US$ =   20,8 US$/KWh

Mass selling price ,fob factory ! Mass production costs ?



2020

 Battery Pack Prices Cited Below $100/kWh ..."


2025  preview

" Battery Pack Prices Cited Below $50/kWh ..."


2030 preview

" Battery Pack Prices Cited Below $25/kWh ..."


















The future about battery capacity and weight :


https://books.google.pt/books?id=jSEDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq=garfield+wood+super+electric+car&source=bl&ots=Qw7-MnGha-&sig=ACfU3U3NayfcCxw1iLzHp4asdCtbVDYmIw&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwje9aKIg_nxAhW3BGMBHfNGDuMQ6AEwD3oECBwQAw#v=onepage&q=garfield%20wood%20super%20electric%20car&f=false (https://books.google.pt/books?id=jSEDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq=garfield+wood+super+electric+car&source=bl&ots=Qw7-MnGha-&sig=ACfU3U3NayfcCxw1iLzHp4asdCtbVDYmIw&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwje9aKIg_nxAhW3BGMBHfNGDuMQ6AEwD3oECBwQAw#v=onepage&q=garfield%20wood%20super%20electric%20car&f=false)


1967 :


520 pounds lead-battery, 8 units x 12 Volt (x assumption : 55 Ah)  = 235,6 Kg






 2021 :


235,6 Kg


= x 0,5 (lead DoD ) / 0,8 (lithium DoD) = 147,25 Kg by 2021 DoD standart


147,25 Kg x [(40 Wh/Kg lead )/ ( 170 Wh/Kg lithium)] 


= 34,7 Kg lithium 170 Wh/Kg battery pack




2030 +


=  11,8 Kg           500 Wh/Kg  https://www.energy.gov/eere/articles/battery500-progress-update (https://www.energy.gov/eere/articles/battery500-progress-update)


=    5,9 Kg         1000 Wh/Kg  https://overunity.com/18215/innolith-battery-1000-whkg/ (https://overunity.com/18215/innolith-battery-1000-whkg/)

The chemistry used in this battery has been proven to operate for more than 55,000 full depth of discharge cycles, which is between 10 and 100 times the maximum number of cycles of existing Li-ion batteries in use today.








2021


34,7 Kg lithium 170 Wh/Kg battery pack


2 x rated 2 KW Plauson/Imris/Ferreira cap-motor






a. electric/mechanical input/output C.O.P. 10     34,7 Kg/10


= 3,47 Kg lithium 170 Wh/Kg battery pack




b. electric/mechanical input/output C.O.P. 100   34,7 Kg/100


= 0,347 Kg lithium 170 Wh/Kg battery pack



here to calculate right : e-drive VA average/peak    /    battery cells average/peak output  ( CSIRO hibride ultra-battery concept ! )





https://german.alibaba.com/g/lithium-ion-battery.html (https://german.alibaba.com/g/lithium-ion-battery.html)


actually average Kg lithium battery price ( asian production) :




for example


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/china-manufacturer-144v-200ah-ev-battery-for-car-ev-car-battery-pack-350v-for-electric-car-30-kwh-50kwh-lithium-ion-battery-60836234704.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.66525b0fddg64B (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/china-manufacturer-144v-200ah-ev-battery-for-car-ev-car-battery-pack-350v-for-electric-car-30-kwh-50kwh-lithium-ion-battery-60836234704.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.66525b0fddg64B)

fob factory                     1610 US$/140 Kg =                                                     <  11,5 US$/Kg

                                 or 1610 US$/ 28,8 KWh                                                      56 US$/KWh

 attention : beside weight: 290 Kg also listed weight:140 Kg , we take 140 Kg


based by " More Batteries " , model CTS-144200   144 V 200 Ah number


( their actual >=200 Sätze gross selling price 1430 US$/28,8 KWh is 2025 average market price standart : 50 US$/KWh ! )




Tesla Motor batteries ( 7100 units battery-cells sample )


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/rechargeable-18650-lithium-ion-battery-3-7v-1200mah-li-ion-battery-cell-60789528153.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_image.66525b0fddg64B (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/rechargeable-18650-lithium-ion-battery-3-7v-1200mah-li-ion-battery-cell-60789528153.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_image.66525b0fddg64B)

111 WH/Kg = 3,7 V x 1,2 Ah x 25 units a 40 Gr./cell

fob factory                      30 US$ cents ea./0,04 Kg ea cell =                                  7,5 US$/Kg   or     67,5 US$/KWh






                                                        C.O.P. 100 Plauson/Imris/Ferreira

                                                   0,347 Kg lithium   170 Wh/Kg battery pack


                                            =    0,069 Kg  lithium 1000 Wh/Kg battery pack


                                                                    x 7,5 US$/Kg

                             the 1 US$cent/Wh battery capacity production price frontier  : 20?? reaching ?


                            actually 3-4 US$cents/Wh production costs







                                             supercheap Amory Lovins Hypercar development


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20091223&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=WO&NR=2009154492A2&KC=A2&ND=4 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20091223&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=WO&NR=2009154492A2&KC=A2&ND=4)


the battery cell wrapped core Drawing page 8/9


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20091223&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=WO&NR=2009154492A2&KC=A2&ND=4 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20091223&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=WO&NR=2009154492A2&KC=A2&ND=4)


                                       0,069 Kg  lithium 1000 Wh/Kg battery pack

                                      0,069 Kg / C.O.P. 5 Tanaka Saburo = 0,014 Kg
 

 0,014 Kg   or   59 Wh/C.O.P. 5     x      a.  11,5 US$/Kg or 56 US$/KWh                          b.  7,5 US$/Kg   or     67,5 US$/KWh



can David Yurth generator coil coating improvement also improve inverter/phase transformer secondary coils output ?  ::)


 


                                               56    US$/KWh / 3000 charge cycles =     < 0,02 US$/charge cycle KWh


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/china-manufacturer-144v-200ah-ev-battery-for-car-ev-car-battery-pack-350v-for-electric-car-30-kwh-50kwh-lithium-ion-battery-60836234704.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.66525b0fddg64B (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/china-manufacturer-144v-200ah-ev-battery-for-car-ev-car-battery-pack-350v-for-electric-car-30-kwh-50kwh-lithium-ion-battery-60836234704.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.66525b0fddg64B)


                                              1000 US$/KWh / 1 000 000 charge cycles = 0,001 US$/ charge cycle KWh


              https://kilowattlabs.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIg9yR_9L78QIVqIFQBh1gEg49EAAYASAAEgIAsvD_BwE (https://kilowattlabs.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIg9yR_9L78QIVqIFQBh1gEg49EAAYASAAEgIAsvD_BwE)




                                                  20 times or 2000% industrial margin difference !






https://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/02/loremo-to-build.html (https://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/02/loremo-to-build.html)

and this battery pack , 6 KWh/100 Km consume x 200 Km range + heater/cooler consume ~ 20 KWh

https://www.hotcars.com/loremo-ls-concept-car-/ (https://www.hotcars.com/loremo-ls-concept-car-/)

https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/china-manufacturer-144v-200ah-ev-battery-for-car-ev-car-battery-pack-350v-for-electric-car-30-kwh-50kwh-lithium-ion-battery-60836234704.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.66525b0fddg64B (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/china-manufacturer-144v-200ah-ev-battery-for-car-ev-car-battery-pack-350v-for-electric-car-30-kwh-50kwh-lithium-ion-battery-60836234704.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.66525b0fddg64B)


1000 US$ costs
1000 US$ costs the P/I/F e-drive , 15 KW nominal + variable speed controler


as middle calculation : GoldenMotor 10 KW Tata Nano electrification performance
                                 and Loremo " The EV will use a motor of approximately 20 kW power. " ( peak or rated/nominal  20 KW ?!)




7500 US$ selling price easy reachable by Renault-Dacia mass production regime/administration,


5000 US$  selling price per car by Renault Kwid India mass production regime/administration


instead conventional      200   Km range


C.O.P. 10 P/I/F e-drive  2000   Km range


and C.O.P. 100          20 000   Km range


Autonomous City-(TAXI)cars drives by 30 Km*h average and 24 hours day = 720 Km per day ( nonstop) less 10% stop-time = 650 Km

The Loremo is an outside City fun-car,
new City-vehicles are mostly 3000-2000 US$ selling price worth by law  demanded performance !
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: Jerry Volland on July 25, 2021, 01:50:52 PM
::)  Thanks AI it is Frei-/Freya-/Fri-day ,time for designing :


the basic model :


https://books.google.pt/books?id=jSEDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq=garfield+wood+super+electric+car&source=bl&ots=Qw7-MnGha-&sig=ACfU3U3NayfcCxw1iLzHp4asdCtbVDYmIw&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwje9aKIg_nxAhW3BGMBHfNGDuMQ6AEwD3oECBwQAw#v=onepage&q=garfield%20wood%20super%20electric%20car&f=false (https://books.google.pt/books?id=jSEDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq=garfield+wood+super+electric+car&source=bl&ots=Qw7-MnGha-&sig=ACfU3U3NayfcCxw1iLzHp4asdCtbVDYmIw&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwje9aKIg_nxAhW3BGMBHfNGDuMQ6AEwD3oECBwQAw#v=onepage&q=garfield%20wood%20super%20electric%20car&f=false)


https://www.mlive.com/auto/2011/07/volt_schmolt_gold_cup_legend_g.html (https://www.mlive.com/auto/2011/07/volt_schmolt_gold_cup_legend_g.html)


2x 1,5 hp ( or ea. 1,12 KW)  electric 90 Volt DC motor,up to 12 000 RPM =


                                                          rated  2,25 KW  electric


So we will modify the numbers and e-drive model :


2x rated 2 KW
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20091130&CC=PT&NR=104078A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20091130&CC=PT&NR=104078A&KC=A)

and implement


a pedal generator like here  http://omni.mcn.org/ElectriLiteB/ (http://omni.mcn.org/ElectriLiteB/)  Pedal Generators- 600 watts peak


                                                                    pedal electric car






some pedal powered vehicles


https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=pedal+generator+car&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj1poSMivnxAhWDmFwKHYOcDt8QjJkEegQIBhAC&biw=1366&bih=605 (https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=pedal+generator+car&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj1poSMivnxAhWDmFwKHYOcDt8QjJkEegQIBhAC&biw=1366&bih=605)




pedal generator output to battery/capacitor to electric drive


pedal generator output to https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9318 (https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9318) to battery/capacitor to electric drive






something to change in this concept
( after American Wind car performance and Arestov conventional wind generator modification comparison ) :

https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9318 (https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9318)

The Permanent Magnet Alternator  with Arestov double winding

The High Velocity Electric Fan with Pax Scientific Impeller

The High Velocity Electric Fan Motor sourced by


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=JP&NR=2007028879A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=JP&NR=2007028879A&KC=A)

When an adult pedals in average a conventional  generator 100 W per hour electricity ,with improved generator technics the cyclists gets 200 Watt per hour !
The 2x rated 2 KW output e-drives consumes net less than 400 W per hour ! ≤ 400 e-W in,≥ 4 000 mech W out !
The average mech W consume for average velocity is normally 1/3-1/2 rated drive value !



bicycle like pedaling with a. 2x rated 2 KW e-drive with minimum 40 mph top speed


to later b. up to 2x 20 KW rated  Plauson/Imris/Ferreira drive high speed experimental vehicle ( Autodromo Estoril or Faro/Loulé race teste )




                                        XYZ mph top speed ( three digits pedal electric speed  8) )


                                                                      limitless range


                                                    HORCH = AUDI EUGENIK CHAMPIONAT


                                                          multi-user-cycle electrification


https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=mehrpersonenfahrrad&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi9_bDCkvnxAhURoRQKHeY4AxMQjJkEegQIBxAC&biw=1366&bih=605 (https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=mehrpersonenfahrrad&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi9_bDCkvnxAhURoRQKHeY4AxMQjJkEegQIBxAC&biw=1366&bih=605)



                                                               Gar(field) Wood superelectric car

                                                                       June,1967

                                                              rated  2,25 KW  electric


                                      US7411363 (B2) ― 2008-08-12

 The present disclosure has evaluated numerous conventional motor-related circuits and identified new methods that realize power conservation that is approximately 150% to around 200% better than conventionally available motors.
                                                           
                                                                         

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20080812&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=US&NR=7411363B2&KC=B2&ND=4 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20080812&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=US&NR=7411363B2&KC=B2&ND=4)




and who does not like pedaling :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20190207&CC=JP&NR=2019022271A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20190207&CC=JP&NR=2019022271A&KC=A)


this are 1000 ( one thousand ) US$/Euros 2x e-drive + controler + inverter system incl. LTO-battery  costs




It was ridiculous, rated 1,5 KW 4000 RPM electric motor as City-car drive :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001207&CC=DE&NR=10011074A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001207&CC=DE&NR=10011074A1&KC=A1)


It will be standart , in urban zone : 30 Km*h legal speed max. zone !


Global Trendsetter : https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.infranken.de/ueberregional/deutschland/tempolimit-tempo-30-statt-50-in-staedten-spanien-macht-es-vor-art-5207035 (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.infranken.de/ueberregional/deutschland/tempolimit-tempo-30-statt-50-in-staedten-spanien-macht-es-vor-art-5207035)

S.E.A.T. : Sociedad Española de Automóviles de Turismo,  Turismo = Free Time  8) ;D  V.W. = Volks-Wiegenlied



The over-powered car-industry is with this act 90% in price and existence worth deflationated ! Kastriert ! Extinction !
 
Political to compare with PR China 80´  "one child -family politics",


now there new defined  !

But the PR Chineses are now negative fertility consequence approved and intelligent :

https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Junge-Chinesen-wollen-lieber-flachliegen-article22697725.html (https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Junge-Chinesen-wollen-lieber-flachliegen-article22697725.html)


Abort the unwished babies,abort the unwished corrupt Oldies !

CLEAN FUTURE,ZERO-CREDIT FUTURE ! CASH ECONOMY ! Kg-BARTER-TRADE !



Der letzte Speedmaster druecke den letzten Kolbendeckel zu ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6K3a_ug9JE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6K3a_ug9JE)






All cars in future with black-box,velocity recorder,equipped ! 24/365 velocity controle ! USB-stick like,cheap !


Abort the unwished Elders?  You mean, like, ME?  Why limit "corrupt" just to the "Oldies"?  I didn't see that word "corrupt" in there the first time I read it.  Did you go back and add it, to be 'politically correct?


Why do you wish to truncate Humanity?  Remember, pulse length equals or exceeds four pi times pulse width.  It takes all kinds to make an effective species.

Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on July 25, 2021, 01:59:13 PM
You have to know the chinese history where during the Mao revolution the youngster sended their "political unwished and political corrupt " Olds ,included own familiar grand-/parents and brother-/sister-/s into concentration camps ! Millions died !


Fact stays as Fact !



Jerry Volland,´re You Chinese ?  ::) ;)


Beside the chinese KP (kommunistic Party) only represents 10% from the total population,the question in future will be how the 90% not being "Party"-member or "No-KP-Member-Party" how they will treat the KP-POLITBUERO-HEADS with each one multimillion $/Euro deposits
by swiss investment banks like SKA/Credit Suisse !


How treats officially the PRC-Constitution such behaviouring "dissidents" ?


 :-[



Why limit "corrupt" just to the "Oldies"?  Phonetical family : "e"lder from "ae"lter/older


                                                                                       ( or does some seeing themself "states-maen-erisch" !?





                    "  You mean, like, ME? " It is not about AGE(in years),but if You are by constitutional view- corrupt - :                 
                                                                                   
                                                                            yes,worthless ! To eliminate !

                             

 :)
                                    Okay , amplifying to "corrupt criminals in geral,age-independent,gender-independent " !   
                                             
                                                                           Totale Inklusion ! ;D

                                                     Nu´ gluecklich und zufrieden ? Politi-sch/-ical correct !




Why do you wish to truncate Humanity? :P


Oh,I do not wish it ! Others are truncating !


Up to thirty years back from 2021 : and from this date previews from many with fear,hope,plans (constructive,destructive)

                                               1993

https://web.archive.org/web/20130623184627/http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegelspecial/index-1993-4.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20130623184627/http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegelspecial/index-1993-4.html)

https://web.archive.org/web/20100303002309/http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegelspecial/index-1995-2.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20100303002309/http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegelspecial/index-1995-2.html)

                                             
https://web.archive.org/web/20150423013511/http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegelspecial/d-52620571.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20150423013511/http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegelspecial/d-52620571.html)



actio/reactio observation          -2021


f.e.


 Mit dem Bau des Atatürk-Damms zum Beispiel, hinter dem sich der Euphrat stauen soll, erhält die Türkei eine gefährliche Waffe gegen Syrien und den Irak - Länder, die auf das Wasser von Euphrat und Tigris angewiesen sind. Reibereien zwischen den Anrainern gab es deswegen schon reichlich.


With the construction of the Ataturk Dam, for example, behind which the Euphrates will be dammed, Turkey is receiving a dangerous weapon against Syria and Iraq - countries that depend on the waters of the Euphrates and Tigris.
 As a result, there was already a lot of friction between the neighbors.                                       


Right or wrong decisions and consequences over the decades are fixed,archived ! 

https://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/index-1995-12.html (https://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/index-1995-12.html)  https://magazin.spiegel.de/EpubDelivery/image/title/SP/1995/12/260 (https://magazin.spiegel.de/EpubDelivery/image/title/SP/1995/12/260)

Germany, River Ahr Valley
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.umweltwirtschaft.com/news/wasserverteilung-und-kanalisation/KIT-Hochwasserrisiken-wurden-deutlich-unterschaetzt-24718 (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.umweltwirtschaft.com/news/wasserverteilung-und-kanalisation/KIT-Hochwasserrisiken-wurden-deutlich-unterschaetzt-24718)


1804  m³/s  flood  - 1910 m³/s flood - 2021   m³/s flood




individual chance/risc versus geral-social- chance/risc and


a. not help : "AUF EIGENE GEFAHR UND SELBSTVERANTWORTUNG"


b. solidar help decision !


sustainable human development : risc minimizing ,help need minimizing


Becoming : ADULT




Reading https://web.archive.org/web/20130623184627/http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegelspecial/index-1993-4.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20130623184627/http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegelspecial/index-1993-4.html)
 
            https://web.archive.org/web/20100303002309/http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegelspecial/index-1995-2.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20100303002309/http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegelspecial/index-1995-2.html)


                   related B(evoelkerungs)-Bombe /P(opulation)-Bomb



we get a new apostolic Pathfinder MOTTO :



                                ehemals : Unser taeglich Brot gib uns heute


                                Unseren taeglichen Atombombenabwurf sende uns heute


google translator sin-deformed :




                               Send us our daily atomic bombing today


                               


                                  From "cold war" to "cold peace"  society
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: Jerry Volland on July 25, 2021, 04:08:36 PM
No, I'm not Chinese.  But eugenics just isn't right, no matter what the nationality.


And aren't you the same one who said a 1kWh battery, charged and discharged 25,000 times gives 25,000 kWh, for driving a million miles?  How do you charge it while driving?


"Under Natural Law, stupidity is a capital offence" - Robert Heinlein.


What if someone decided to abort unwished stupidity?
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on July 25, 2021, 04:31:46 PM
"Eugenic" is often misunderstood or in ab-using use by some by own (ideologic) political interests !


 ab-use : by the NSDAP : Ausleseprozess ,"Herren-Rasse"






classical "eugenics" for example by the phyteic games ( body and mind arts) ,today promoted as "Modern Olympic Games "


Eugenic as scientifical research by experiments : Charles Darwin,Francis Galton
 


The Nature decides and selects over the time






And aren't you the same one who said a 1kWh battery, charged and discharged 25,000 times gives 25,000 kWh, for driving a million miles?


                                                          How do you charge it while driving?




                                  At first : No,I do not state it !  :'(  And for this not the inventor/developper !


If You visit the Uni Queensland (AUS),Stanford,North Carolina State and some other educational and experimental  institutions You will get the ,this, statement !  :)


When the capacity is 1 KWh energy storage ,the charge cycles (for 80% rest charge limit) given with 25 000 times = 25 000 KWh energy storage potential over the time !



Visiting the alibaba site You get actually such 25 000 cc potential as Lithium-Titanate-Oxide batteries ,
cheap (relatively ) TM Yinlong ,more expensive LTO by XALT !                                                               


                                                                  Commercial standart !


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 How do you charge it while driving?


"Under Natural Law, stupidity is a capital offence" - Robert Heinlein.


What if someone decided to abort unwished stupidity?




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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein)


                                             alternatively :

                                           "Under Natural Law, refusing  is a capital offence"








                                        How do you charge it - the demanded power/energy- while driving?




                                 This is the 1 Trillion turnover Car-manufacturing industry question/answer !? 8)


                                                                               
                                                                               ;D




                                         What if someone or NATURE decided to abort unwished stupidity?




                                          stupide : nicht lernfaehig ~ unable to learn/understand/accept
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: Jerry Volland on July 25, 2021, 05:22:43 PM
I can self charge a battery with a single initiating pulse.  But the plates have to be concentric, with the + on the outside.  With an alkaline D cell, the potential continues to increase, on its own, until the battery pops - after 20 hrs or so.


Sorry, wrong thread.  Back to eugenics?  A legitimate topic for this forum?
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: Jerry Volland on July 25, 2021, 06:09:58 PM
Why did you slip that eugenics line into the mess of your back and forth scrolling, all the way down the page?  Thinking it would soak in into everyone's subconscious minds, without anyone actually remembering it?  I've been around long enough to recognize 'programing' techniques.
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on July 25, 2021, 09:56:47 PM
" ... slip that eugenics line into the mess ... " probably the impression by Yourself !


I studied the sublime and (auto-/extra-/intra-)suggestive techniques in the 80´,included NLP, but do not use it !




We have industrial a TIER4 evolution , we can understand this as optimizing process from human to automat( "robotique") production process translation !




As pioneers I see here Roy Kessinger : 250 Mio. motor/generator production investment plant to 25 Mio. investment reducement plant by same output


and similar ,with same investment and risc reducing effect, Tesla Motors ex-administration spin-off  " 24M " as battery producer  https://24-m.com/ (https://24-m.com/) !




Asking how to get the power/energy charge during driving a simple explanation and status quo statement :




we have many e-drive vehicles in use and experience by their driver


we have street legal speed limits


we have flat streets,hill (mass) up -pitch- and hill (mass) down drive


we have e-vehicles with different weight


So let us by given data do "virtual experiments" without ( secret insider knowledge) :






https://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/04/reva_introduces.html (https://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/04/reva_introduces.html)






37 KW AC e-motor


12 KWh energy consume per 100 Km


 3 KWh  brake energy recuperation per 100 Km ( stop and go )


= 9 KWh total/net consume per 100 Km


First question (?) :


why 37 rated KW power drive ( 75 KW peak )


when by Garfield Wood,Richard Fradella and others we see that 2,25-5 rated KW ( 5-10 KWpeak)  are sufficient  ?



but let us take this 37 KW motor :


how much less average consume with double coils ,specific permanent magnets array arrangement !?


12 KWh to 8-6 KWh average consume modificated the Reva concept car


the recuperation generator function : motor/generator splitting


improved generator technology with higher mechanical input/electrical output efficiency ?




from 3 KWh brake recuperation gain to 5,6 and more KWh per 100 Km !?


from 9 KWh net consume step-by-step to 3 KWh net consume to 0 KWh net consume per 100 Km












I am not interested in the " actually organized" car-manufacturing industry existence , but I think and decide about their negative influence in society and  estate politics !


Zero private individual car ownership in Cities/urban zone  : nothing against !


24/365 black-box controled speed/velocity : nothing against !


In many european estates/cities there is a parking lot demand per household,costs 12 500 Euros - 25 000 Euros for max. 1000 Euros worth !


Car-free cities means in Europe directly 12 500 - 25 000 Euros less infrastructure costs per private household !





I am technocratic radical ,bringing the society to "- 2021 lab standart" !


Including JHS-Exerzitien- path of reflection


An effective week-work wishing


OCWL


p.s.:     " I can self charge a battery with a single initiating pulse"
              I had to grin : " a battery"  how many hundreds/thousands of different battery models we can list ! ;)


             https://www.greenoptimistic.com/karpen-pile/ (https://www.greenoptimistic.com/karpen-pile/) physical/chemical process ? power to weight ratio ?




            Der Spiegel Report 1995 : writing about the 3 Liter/100 Km consume ic-engine Twingo ( +- Renault Vesta 2 average consume)


            1993  priority date : consume halfing hybrid


            https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19950330&CC=DE&NR=4332378A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19950330&CC=DE&NR=4332378A1&KC=A1)

same experimental results ( TV-news reported )


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=rolf+walge&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=rolf+walge&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)


           1975 : Japan 50/50 water/fuel mix consume (similar in the 80´ Pierre Chambrin )


            KSL-Tuning,Wolfgang Krause : he got problem with his eco-tuning (Bild-Zeitung/Newspaper most economic car listening )


           less than 1 Liter fuel(+water) consume/100 Km  since 20 years experimented and published standart for "compact class cars" !




          https://unfccc.int/kyoto_protocol (https://unfccc.int/kyoto_protocol)  ;D  - 80% GHG : 2000 Technical  Standart versus 2000 average consume


          https://www.smecc.org/winfield_salisbury.htm

         priority date, 5 years after the first oil  and credit tax skyrocking shock : 1978


          https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820309&CC=US&NR=4318449A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820309&CC=US&NR=4318449A&KC=A)


By way of example, an automobile engine of current design, operated at its most efficient speed, is expected to have an efficiency of 20 to 25 percent.


Nevertheless, the average efficiency of the ordinary motor car is much less,
being only on the order 2-5 percent, primarily because of poor compression ratios at low speed operation.


The problem is how to avoid inefficiencies which are incident to the operating cycle rather than to the basic engine construction.
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on July 26, 2021, 01:26:22 PM
By way of example, an automobile engine of current design, operated at its most efficient speed, is expected to have an efficiency of 20 to 25 percent.


Nevertheless, the average efficiency of the ordinary motor car is much less,being only on the order 2-5 percent, primarily because of poor compression ratios at low speed operation.

The problem is how to avoid inefficiencies which are incident to the operating cycle rather than to the basic engine construction.




                                               real  2-5% energy  efficiency from peak " apparent power" 20-25% effficiency




                               Forschungsfeldvergleich : engine or machine


                                                                     Der Mensch or the Human


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung) : Mariendorf "Die Maschine Mensch" experiment ,living with/out target -motive : Motivation

https://www.uni-goettingen.de/de/3240.html?id=5463 (https://www.uni-goettingen.de/de/3240.html?id=5463)


                                             motorische/notorische Effizienz der Mensch-Maschine.individual or cooperative

                                                             the 90´ work(er)-reengineering change :

The problem is how to avoid inefficiencies which are incident to the operating cycle rather than to the basic human construction.


 the Human "worker" society :

non motivated real  2-5% energy/performance  efficiency from nominal and average   " apparent power" 20-25% effficiency (physio-biological )





https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.wort.lu/de/business/der-traum-von-der-mensch-maschine-5f609376de135b9236900af7 (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.wort.lu/de/business/der-traum-von-der-mensch-maschine-5f609376de135b9236900af7)


                                                   2062 pari ? Functional soon 2021 pari ,the "humanoids" !


                                                   " virtual human"-chip implants ,not human-body look robots






                                                Is applied EE-technology for traffic better than applied IC  ?


                                                                       Or when/how is EE better ?






                                                         fix revolutions electric motor   + ( when AC : inverter) battery


                                                  variable revolutions electric motor  +                  "    "    " 




                                                                          nominal current,inrush phase current


                                                       




                                                               


                                            primarily because of poor compression ratios at low speed operation.




                                                         traffic average low speed ,average and specific rush-hour


 
                                                                 
                                                         the nominal motor-generator/alternator performance


                                                         by rated 1000 RPM ,technical efficiency over 90%


                                                         by low speed RPM ,technical efficiency over 90%


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20121011&CC=US&NR=2012256422A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20121011&CC=US&NR=2012256422A1&KC=A1)


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19780418&CC=US&NR=4085355A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19780418&CC=US&NR=4085355A&KC=A)




  by 1000 W rated                                                    1000 RPM    delivers    1000 W power


  by 1000 W rated                                                      100 RPM    delivers         1 W power




                                                                                      EE and FUZZY NEURO-LOGIK ;D

      From 100% potential                  input  10 Per Centum/Prozent   =     1 Per Milia/Promille output  ratio


                                                                      2 lever applied in 1 comparison

                                                                     non-linear,dynamical performance


                                                     

                   
                             
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on July 27, 2021, 05:55:02 AM
No, I'm not Chinese.  But eugenics just isn't right, no matter what the nationality.


And aren't you the same one who said a 1kWh battery, charged and discharged 25,000 times gives 25,000 kWh, for driving a million miles?  How do you charge it while driving?


"Under Natural Law, stupidity is a capital offence" - Robert Heinlein.


What if someone decided to abort unwished stupidity?




                     related " .... a 1kWh battery, charged and discharged 25,000 times gives 25,000 kWh, for driving a million miles ..."




https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a35367888/the-eternal-promise-of-solid-state-batteries/ (https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a35367888/the-eternal-promise-of-solid-state-batteries/)


QuantumScape, a California-based 2010 spinoff from Stanford University that has a joint venture with Volkswagen Group (which invested more than $300 million (https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/press-releases/volkswagen-increases-stake-in-quantumscape-6136)), said in January that it is indeed making great strides toward commercializing the cells. The company said it had created fire-resistant test batteries that continue to function after 1,100 cycles, retaining at least 80% of its capacity. “This corresponds to over 300,000 miles for a 300-mile battery pack and over 500,000 miles for a 500-mile battery pack,” the company said in a tweet.



 300 miles range x 1100 cycles = over 300 000 miles capacity -limit 80% capacity- servicelife


500 miles  range x 1100 cycles = over 500 000 miles capacity -limit 80% capacity - servicelife


                                                                              ergo


300 miles range x 25 000 cycles   LTO battery Yinlong =   7 500 000 miles servicelife
300 miles range x 40 000 cycles   LTO battery XALT    = 12 000 000 miles servicelife


300 miles range x 250 000 cycles AIB battery                 = 75 000 000 miles servicelife


                                                                                 dividing < 10 000 miles/per year average car use in Europe


                                                                                7 500 000 / 10 000      = 750 years use


                                                                               12 000 000/  10 000     = 1200 years use


                                                                               and as non plus ultra :


                                                                               75 000 000/   10 000   = 7500 years use

                                                                             
                                                                               human life in years,average : 80 years   car life in years,average : 15 years


                                                                              Some could mean that this represents longitivity enough  ::)  ( ;D )






                                                                             In Europe : 15 years car life       x 10 000 miles = 150 000 miles capacity range


                                                                                               80 years human life x 10 000 miles = 800 000 miles capacity range




                                                                            1x  800 000 miles battery pack serves for 5-6  car generations


                                               
                                                                            by 300 miles range pack = 2500-3000 effective 100% DoD charge cycles




       
                                                                           by this charge concept http://www.bticcs.com/ (http://www.bticcs.com/) or similar "algorythmic charge concepts"


                                                                           ( Oldie but Goldie Reply #19 shown charge alternatives )
                                                                     
                                                                           " Articles and Publication "


                       CCS a New Technology for the Automatic Charge Controle of Rechargeable Batteries (http://www.bticcs.com/pub/CCSE.pdf)

                       CCS ein neues Ladeverfahren zum automatischen Laden von Akkus (http://www.bticcs.com/pub/CCSD3.pdf)
                                                       

                       citation :



                                                                                                         
                       3. Cost & Energy Impact:


• For NC batteries, per example, manufacturers are quoting 500 to 1,000 charge cycles.


In real life most of these batteries have just a life of 100 cycles and often fail in much shorter time.


 As CCS is proving, much of it is the inadequate charging process, that cuts a battery life short.


                                                 With CCS a battery life of 5000 charge cycles can be reached.




                                                                         
Taking this information with precaution ( peak/maximal and average performance !) and as comparison benchmark for own experiments and experience ! 

And by other battery kind as given NC example !













1 KWh battery capacity as solely car energy storage and 1 000 000 miles capacity servicelife


depends


a. vehicle weight , average speed


                                                             nonstop delivery and use


b. the Tanaka Saburo inverter system effect or Dr. Pavel Imris,CSc.  double battery/cap-generator charge system
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: Jerry Volland on July 27, 2021, 05:02:59 PM
These figures are impressive.  However, for space launch (my personal focus), battery range would be more important than charging cycles.




SDHC
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on July 28, 2021, 12:32:40 AM
battery range would be more important than charging cycles : das Eine bedingt das Andere  ;)


Satellites : equipped mostly with nuclear batteries






btw I forgot to listen :


300 miles range x 1 000 000 charge cycles Kilowattlabs superbattery  ::)








12 KWh Reva NGX 37 KW AC motor concept car consume per 100 Km,less 3 KWh brake energy recuperation






                             physical ,by concept, AC e-drive C.O.P. < 1              to           C.O.P. 10 e-drive change ( earth use )




1,2 KWh modified Reva NGX pulsed DC motor concept car consume per 100 km,
                                         here without modification improvement :
                                           less 3 KWh brake energy recuperation :


                                                              surplus 1,8 KWh per 100 Km

                                          with brake energy system improvement : recuperation gain to 6 KWh + per 100 Km



                                                            surplus 5 KWh and more





Physically and experimental we are some steps beyond the market


Probably in Future concept cars technical up-to-date refurbish : https://www.rinspeed.com/de/Concept-Cars (https://www.rinspeed.com/de/Concept-Cars)  8)  https://www.rinspeed.com/en/ (https://www.rinspeed.com/en/)

                                                                                            https://esoro.ch/konzeptfahrzeuge/ (https://esoro.ch/konzeptfahrzeuge/)                    https://esoro.ch/en/concept-vehicles/
                               



wmbr


OCWL
                             


p.s.:


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=andreja+todorovic&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=andreja+todorovic&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)


https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=15379 (https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=15379)
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: Jerry Volland on July 28, 2021, 06:16:08 AM
You're good.
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on July 28, 2021, 11:16:42 PM
I am in search : for the perfection !  ;)  easy to produce,ecological,economical ; if possible soft-ware-free or free-/share-ware use


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=89&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20140320&CC=US&NR=2014078802A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=89&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20140320&CC=US&NR=2014078802A1&KC=A1)


Tanaka Saburos concept uses an inverter

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20190207&CC=JP&NR=2019022271A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20190207&CC=JP&NR=2019022271A&KC=A)



but this idea/application also :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=102&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20090326&CC=US&NR=2009079393A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=102&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20090326&CC=US&NR=2009079393A1&KC=A1)


to Garfield Wood his 1969 superelectric car the more modern pendant :


https://esoro.ch/en/portfolio-item/exasis-ein-hauch-von-auto-2007/ (https://esoro.ch/en/portfolio-item/exasis-ein-hauch-von-auto-2007/)


but  for calculation we use GarWoods 2x 1,5 hp 90V DC motor concept = 3 hp =  2,25 KW rated power


the installation :


not motor belt wheel


but motor to transmission https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19840807&CC=US&NR=4464095A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19840807&CC=US&NR=4464095A&KC=A) to belt to wheel


the motor physical torque/rev. transformed/transduced by


Halbach/Ronbach magnet array Sankar Pat


or here https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=chad+vandenberg&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=chad+vandenberg&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)

-50% Vandenberg,-70% Ogino basic factor power/energy savings -  related conventional electric motor - ever wellcomed !




Assumption : 2250 Wh for 50 Km ( or near 30 miles range)         1969 car performance



                = 4500 Wh/100 Km


                 


                   2250 Wh/100 Km reduced by Iida cw rev./ccw rev. motor (instead blades) transmission configuration,conventional electric motor


                   1125 Wh/100 Km  reduced by above motor power saving modification


                   as average




the brake energy recuperation gain,not as high Reva NGX their number to expect( car mass difference) will compensate a great electric motors energy consume part


The effect from the

Self-Charging Generator  US2009079393


the claim/statement " .... [0008] My invention generated several times the power it consumes to operate and does so by an all electric means with no moving parts."


 has to become tested !


Each experimental measured/tested number  over C.O.P. 1 will be wellcomed !




But if only C.O.P.1 ,it does not bother,the e-car need an energy storage ! ::) 




Irgendwann mal /someday in future  : C.O.P. 10 cap-motor + a. Ozkan cycle  b. Saburo cycle c. Imris double battery cap-generator cycle





Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: Jerry Volland on July 29, 2021, 02:25:55 AM
The only way I can see that the *9393 patent would work is if there is a special kind of battery charger which produces consecutive pulses having different frequencies.  It is known that when a car battery is momentarily pulsed, ion movement inside the battery continues, briefly, after the end of the pulse, due to ion momentum.  If a second, lower frequency pulse is added while the ions are still moving, this pulse, with a longer base line, will cause additional ions to sweep up the original ions, producing a densifying pulse, which can auto accelerate through a gradient such as a non linear magnetic field.  This will recharge the battery to a greater extent than would a continuously applied potential.
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on July 30, 2021, 09:54:56 AM
At first : this is actually an unimportant solution research/answer finding question !


The most important fact is that urban/city zone vehicles by given 30 Km/h speed maximum only needs ,included brake energy recuperation, well organized 250 Wh electric energy storage for driving the average 60 Km activity per day as also remarked by the "concept cars" design page by esoro/rinspeed !


 ( 15 000 Km per year european range average /365 = ?  per day )


Pulse, 2 = Hz


how is the EMP nuclear defined ?


how explains it ,EMP I and II ,Dr.Pavel Imris,CSc. in his "artificial nuclear atom strike"   
                   


Pulse-effect ?


Bernd Koehler ,solar cell/ fluorescent lamp tube as battery charge concept


DeBuyant.rotative DC  motor-generator battery charge concept


Harold Goldbaum electric generator with shoe-box dimension but Pulse quantity dependent work process KW or MW output


Have we to determinate the nuclear decay in concepts like NANO-BOXX in Pulse numbers ?






The energy storage is not anymore the problem in an "autonomous and intelligent -fixed speed max.- urban traffic drive " world !



Well organized e-trikes and e-bikes less than function priority related heavy cars !




World-wide shows us "freaks,developper,enthusiasts" over youtube and other video channels what with conventional equipment is possible,what with
the best known solution will become possible ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf31fQJVWOU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf31fQJVWOU)    rated 750 W power  electric drive ,by 30 Km/h max. energy consume in average ?

                                                                             after specific drive improvement ?




Ex-SIEMENS Dr.Wolfgang Volkrodt publication :        rated 100 W bike to electric bike modification


                                                                           with modern 2021 equipment rated power/effective energy consume per 100 Km/per day ?






                    Does he not correct EE geral opinions in this paper ?

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=17&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19860717&CC=DE&NR=3501076A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=17&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19860717&CC=DE&NR=3501076A1&KC=A1)

http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3501076&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3501076&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)


Beginning with that difference :




According to theories customary up to now, 25 kW losses would have to occur in the aforementioned ferrite magnetic core. This contradicts practical experience.
[0004]

The energy requirement for a magnetizing reversal pulse is around 25 mWs when using a magnetizing coil with low resistance as a single-start secondary winding of a pulse magnetizing transformer. 10,000 pulses per second therefore require a power supply of 0.25 kW,


                                             


   i.e. one hundredth of the hysteresis losses that are allegedly caused by this.









How many scientists/researcher/inventors are citing these points in their disclosure :

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=DE&NR=3501076A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19860717&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=DE&NR=3501076A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19860717&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)



Sincere


OCWL
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: Jerry Volland on July 30, 2021, 05:23:23 PM
The only way I can see that the *9393 patent would work is if there is a special kind of battery charger which produces consecutive pulses having different frequencies.  It is known that when a car battery is momentarily pulsed, ion movement inside the battery continues, briefly, after the end of the pulse, due to ion momentum.  If a second, lower frequency pulse is added while the ions are still moving, this pulse, with a longer base line, will cause additional ions to sweep up the original ions, producing a densifying pulse, which can auto accelerate through a gradient such as a non linear magnetic field.  This will recharge the battery to a greater extent than would a continuously applied potential.


edit: Both the SSG and the JT work at low level output with a single frequency ion sweep.  So it may not be necessary to include a gradient.  (For non extreme applications.)

edit2: The TS works that way too, with still moving ions sweeping up just starting ions.  (You can also use a higher voltage rather than a lower frequency.)
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on August 03, 2021, 12:37:04 PM
https://jornaldascaldas.com/inventor-caldense-aperfeicoa-carro-movido-a-energia-eolica (https://jornaldascaldas.com/inventor-caldense-aperfeicoa-carro-movido-a-energia-eolica) 2010

weight ?


http://omni.mcn.org/ElectriLiteB/ (http://omni.mcn.org/ElectriLiteB/)


the pedal generator : 600 W rated generator !?


normally a pedal generator  in the 200 W range : https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/how-to/a10245/pedal-power-how-to-build-a-bike-generator-16627209/ (https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/how-to/a10245/pedal-power-how-to-build-a-bike-generator-16627209/)


https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&q=How+much+electricity+can+I+generate+on+a+bike%3F&ved=2ahUKEwjPwqqk1pTyAhVXEWMBHehPAfMQzmd6BAgMEAU&biw=1366&bih=605 (https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&q=How+much+electricity+can+I+generate+on+a+bike%3F&ved=2ahUKEwjPwqqk1pTyAhVXEWMBHehPAfMQzmd6BAgMEAU&biw=1366&bih=605)


a typical human(m./f. ) pedals in average 75 W per hour with an electric generator


improveable to 180 W/h by modern and efficient generator


180 W per hour pedalling energy are sufficient for Sinclairs C5 with Li Yngs transmission system to reach ? Km*h speed ?




assumption :     300 W needs rated      30 W electric micro-motors power      ? 20 Km/h


                   2X 300 W needs rated 2X 30 W electric micro-motors power      ? 30 Km/h


                   3X 300 W needs rated 3X 30 W electric micro-motors power      ? 40 Km/h




120 W electric power input ( rated fan motor power ?)  :


https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9318 (https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9318)






90 W input with PAX Scientific impeller ?


45 W with impeller and magnet array electric motor ?


output ?


output by applying Tudor-Frunzi or Kango Iida or Kumar or Akio Hara generator ? the generator coils with David Yurth coating ?





old commuter power/weight/speed  ratio  ( Volt ! )


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurgel_Itaipu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurgel_Itaipu)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citicar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citicar)


GarWoods superelectric car    2x 1,5 hp


rated 3 KW ~ peak 6-7 KW ,average energy consume from rated drive power ?


by now less battery weight (2021 standart)



2020 Building construction standarts      NEARLY ZERO ENERGY 20 Wp PE /sqm and NET ZERO ENERGY      here primary power per sqm


                                                      equalizing



2021 Car       construction standarts      NEARLY ZERO ENERGY  10 Wh/km  and NET ZERO ENERGY           here primary energy per Km



BIO-EUGENICS


                                               cat and mouse, old cat and fat mouse 

2000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvh-ieuM8yg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvh-ieuM8yg)  Erotics and the game (form,colors,provoke,attraction/repulsion)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpbHdIrtpNo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpbHdIrtpNo)  Lolita and Eros

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHqGIe8AZ1g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHqGIe8AZ1g)  12  years ?


Bio-clock , cell regenration cycles (-Countdown)  to MENO-PAUSE "Wechseljahre" :       bioregenerative Pré-Mors Stadium

2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq8uO6swsIc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq8uO6swsIc)    Anymore "Lolita" !




maskuline/male  Wechseljahre/menopause idem bioregenerative Pré-Mors Stadium


                                                                     Eros-Choreography
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV7G5aWy3vc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV7G5aWy3vc)  from the same producer mind : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh4tHpUflDA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh4tHpUflDA)

                                                                             from


                         UE(ber Vierzig/er)40 = physical Bio-Cycle stand-point  : Pré-Mortale Gesellschaft/society




                        bei einigen Frauen (und Maennern) geht es schneller,die Degeneration :


https://www.n-tv.de/leute/Sylvie-Meis-spricht-ueber-fruehe-Menopause-article22681586.html#:~:text=Wechseljahre%20mit%2031%20Sylvie%20Meis%20spricht%20%C3%BCber%20fr%C3%BChe%20Menopause&text=Im%20Sommer%202009%20erkrankte%20Sylvie,von%2031%20Jahren%20an%20Brustkrebs.&text=Damals%20habe%20sie%20eine%20Hormontherapie,das%20die%20Wechseljahresbeschwerden%20einst%20ausl%C3%B6ste (https://www.n-tv.de/leute/Sylvie-Meis-spricht-ueber-fruehe-Menopause-article22681586.html#:~:text=Wechseljahre%20mit%2031%20Sylvie%20Meis%20spricht%20%C3%BCber%20fr%C3%BChe%20Menopause&text=Im%20Sommer%202009%20erkrankte%20Sylvie,von%2031%20Jahren%20an%20Brustkrebs.&text=Damals%20habe%20sie%20eine%20Hormontherapie,das%20die%20Wechseljahresbeschwerden%20einst%20ausl%C3%B6ste).

https://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/hormonal/serms/tamoxifen (https://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/hormonal/serms/tamoxifen)


hormone-receptor-positive


Describes cells that have a group of proteins that bind to a specific hormone.
For example, some breast cancer cells have receptors for the hormones estrogen or progesterone. These cells are hormone receptor positive and they need estrogen or progesterone to grow.




bio-cell-cycle and active/passive interference ,hormonal and other factors



                                                                      UE30 8) 


                                Die Bio-(Cell/Zelle-Prozess) Uhr wird langsamer ! Physisch-physiologisch !



 


For total "western" societies as example : https://www.bib.bund.de/DE/Fakten/Fakt/B19-Durchschnittsalter-Bevoelkerung-ab-1871.html (https://www.bib.bund.de/DE/Fakten/Fakt/B19-Durchschnittsalter-Bevoelkerung-ab-1871.html)


                                       chronical mid-/bioregenerative end-life crisis demography and politics


                                                      undiplomatic,but real view : Bio-Zombie/Untote politics






                                        But : UE100 - UE30 = up to 70 years body-sexus neutral living

                    https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Immer-mehr-Menschen-werden-100-Jahre-alt-article22720665.html

                                                               
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on August 09, 2021, 10:22:04 PM
I see that Dr.Imris,CSc.  is now "on-line"  ::)  http://pavelimris.com/ (http://pavelimris.com/)


and that he had about him/his last invention a newspaper-article,August 2020 :


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.nordkurier.de/uckermark/tesla-chef-soll-mit-uckermaerker-89-die-welt-retten-1740373708.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.nordkurier.de/uckermark/tesla-chef-soll-mit-uckermaerker-89-die-welt-retten-1740373708.html)

Btw.: HATE LIFE is the automatic translation from the village name "Hassleben" https://www.tourismus-uckermark.de/unterwegs/kultur/kulturangebote/anbieter/dorfkirche-hassleben.html (https://www.tourismus-uckermark.de/unterwegs/kultur/kulturangebote/anbieter/dorfkirche-hassleben.html)

Hmm,


 " Elektrischer Generator "
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20200402&CC=DE&NR=102018007240A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20200402&CC=DE&NR=102018007240A1&KC=A1)


Event date :2021/04/01
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/inpadoc?CC=DE&NR=102018007240A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20200402&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/inpadoc?CC=DE&NR=102018007240A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20200402&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)




Device for an electric drive for electric vehicles

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20190328&CC=DE&NR=112017003611A5&KC=A5 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20190328&CC=DE&NR=112017003611A5&KC=A5)

Event date :2020/01/01

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/inpadoc?CC=DE&NR=112017003611A5&KC=A5&FT=D&ND=3&date=20190328&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/inpadoc?CC=DE&NR=112017003611A5&KC=A5&FT=D&ND=3&date=20190328&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)





 :o  https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.freudenberg.com/de/technologien/mobilitaet-transport/ein-starkes-stueck (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.freudenberg.com/de/technologien/mobilitaet-transport/ein-starkes-stueck)


Nevertheless, you are still working on increasing your reach. What can we expect there?

Prof. Winter: The range is physically limited.


As things stand today, researchers can predict ranges of a maximum of two kilometers per kilogram of battery, which would be a range of 600 km with a battery weight of 300 kg typically used today.
 We are currently at around 700 meters per kilogram. So there is still enormous potential for development that will be available within the next ten years.


10 Wh /Km to 1 Wh/Km electric consume is in development ,by 200 Wh/Kg " .... 300 Kg typically used today . .... "


= 60 000 Wh/300 Kg divided 10 Wh/Km or 1 Wh/Km     = 60 000 Km  - 6 000 Km range

                                                                                         200 Km  -      20 Km range per Kilogram battery

                                                                                 to


                                                                                      60 000 Km - 6 000 Km    range per Kilogram battery



I mean the Bond Bug https://www.motor24.pt/sites/jornal-dos-classicos/o-pequeno-bond-bug-completa-50-anos/828118/ (https://www.motor24.pt/sites/jornal-dos-classicos/o-pequeno-bond-bug-completa-50-anos/828118/)
will be a nice ic-engine to electric drive conversion for WR-range experiments
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on August 10, 2021, 05:16:24 AM
0-Watts @ 0-Hz bliss.
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: Floor on August 10, 2021, 11:09:36 AM
As per the usual Lanka, nice infos / searches here !

Thanks

    regards
             floor
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on August 11, 2021, 02:57:21 PM
member Johan_1995 e-drive platform #8 info https://www.thebetterindia.com/212501/bengaluru-startup-log9-electric-vehicle-battery-charging-aluminum-fuel-cell-india-nor41/ (https://www.thebetterindia.com/212501/bengaluru-startup-log9-electric-vehicle-battery-charging-aluminum-fuel-cell-india-nor41/)


review : 






  https://www.log9materials.com/ (https://www.log9materials.com/)


For city-e-bikes/-trikes probably really usefull !  Performance ! https://www.log9materials.com/two-wheeler.html (https://www.log9materials.com/two-wheeler.html)

                                                                                           https://www.log9materials.com/three-wheeler.html (https://www.log9materials.com/three-wheeler.html)


                                                                                   magnet array motor + Saburo = theoretically 900 Km per charge range 8)

                                                                                   Ferreira cap-coil motor           = applied         900+ Km    per charge range ;)



https://overunity.com/18385/e-drive-platform/ (https://overunity.com/18385/e-drive-platform/)         #14  Lavenami improvement http://www.evalbum.com/314 (http://www.evalbum.com/314)
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on August 14, 2021, 12:07:57 PM
Studying numbers,theory and practizise (by experiments) :


rotoverter : motor with coupled generator ,conventional rated motor power / efficiency rate - generator gain


car-rotoverter principle : electric drive and brake energy recuperation


theory :


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_brake (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_brake)


The expected gain amounts to
https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/97eed872d31560cad28872b489ba02e4d074d471 (https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/97eed872d31560cad28872b489ba02e4d074d471)

The higher the recuperation efficiency, the higher the recuperation.
The higher the efficiency between the electric motor and the wheels, the higher the recuperation.
The higher the braking proportion, the higher the recuperation.
On motorways, this figure would be 3%, and in cities it would amount to 14%.


Experimental brake energy recuperation number :

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/04/reva_introduces.html (https://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/04/reva_introduces.html)
3 KWh from 12 KWh = 30%

We can double the generator efficiency !
We can double the motor efficiency = consume halfing !

(12 KWh /2) - (3 KWh x 2 )= 6 KWh consume - 6 KWh recuperation = Net Zero Energy Drive


Also posssible :


(12 KWh/10 ) - conventional 3 KWh recuperation gain = 1,8 KWh surplus per hour


This is the energetical base for the future "autonomous city drive vehicle" which drives unmanned ,
by legal 30 Km/h speed max. inner-city ,urban zone !




For city-kurier driver,not car but roller :


https://www.log9materials.com/two-wheeler.html (https://www.log9materials.com/two-wheeler.html)


70 Km range x 10 = 700 Km range per battery charge


by legal 30 Km per hour inner-city = 700 Km/30 Km =


 23,33 hours drive range


or 2000 Wh capacity/23,33 hours = net 100 W on-board generator for recharging


= endless/non-stop drive potential






Because only 100 W generator for battery recharging in need  https://geospatial.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83476d35153ef022ad3c0d118200b-popup (https://geospatial.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83476d35153ef022ad3c0d118200b-popup) would be wellcomed !


Alternatively :


https://patents.google.com/patent/FR2528257A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/FR2528257A1/en)   "sleeper"-idea from 1982 ::) ( Made in Algeria)


The device according to the invention can title used like any other source of energy and the power supply of any other electric auto-mobile.

Or auto-nomous mobile ;)


Similar :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=12&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=ES&NR=2265253A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=12&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=ES&NR=2265253A1&KC=A1)


For spanish patent office engineers/peers a protection =grantable idea ,now free :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/inpadoc?CC=ES&NR=2265253B1&KC=B1&FT=D&ND=4&date=20080116&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/inpadoc?CC=ES&NR=2265253B1&KC=B1&FT=D&ND=4&date=20080116&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)




Since 2002 often the basic idea publishing : 1.,3.,4.,13.,14.,15.,16.


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=tanaka+saburo&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=tanaka+saburo&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)




I am often "lust-ig aufgelegt" :




http://www.evalbum.com/314 (http://www.evalbum.com/314)        Motor:         1500 W rated assuming 2021 conventional 1750 W peak consume per ? Km


Battery 12 V x 70 Ampére = 840 VA / 49 Km Range = 1715 VA per 100 Km  by assumed average 30 Km*h


 x rated capacity DoD ? Lead normally 50% max. !


1750 W/10 = 175 W peak consume per 100 Km as cap-coil motor performance




But 1500 W is the rated motor power here  :o  :

( based by https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=4&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19920416&CC=DE&NR=4031920A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=4&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19920416&CC=DE&NR=4031920A1&KC=A1) )

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001207&CC=DE&NR=10011074A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001207&CC=DE&NR=10011074A1&KC=A1)


compared the early https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citicar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citicar) electric motorization : 2,5 hp DC by lower tension !




with cap-coil e-motor and brake energy  recuperation ?


We are developping the REAL-WORLD autonomous drive vehicle,
                                     by real physical/technical and 24/365 street velocity controled speed need,


not over-powered and over-weight  and expensive chaiselongue-on-4-wheels


Tools from point A to point B


easy :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrscharroo/6285240557/in/photostream/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrscharroo/6285240557/in/photostream/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrscharroo/6285248279/in/photostream/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrscharroo/6285248279/in/photostream/)
 
from the same Designer Paul Arzens ,1942, https://es-es.facebook.com/Paris.Insolite.Secret/videos/l%C5%93uf-%C3%A9lectrique-de-paul-arzens-%C3%A0-paris-en-1942/431610784093682/ (https://es-es.facebook.com/Paris.Insolite.Secret/videos/l%C5%93uf-%C3%A9lectrique-de-paul-arzens-%C3%A0-paris-en-1942/431610784093682/)


5x 12 V a 250 Ah lead batteries,totally 300 Kg ,equipped ,70 Km*h peak,100 Km range


electric motor efficiency 1942 ? assuming peak 70% and average < 50%


original ic to electric conversion numbers,1959 :
https://www.renaultgroup.com/news-onair/actualites/henney-kilowatt-la-dauphine-electrique-americaine/ (https://www.renaultgroup.com/news-onair/actualites/henney-kilowatt-la-dauphine-electrique-americaine/)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henney_Kilowatt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henney_Kilowatt)
The 1959 models all ran on a 36-volt system of 18 two-volt batteries in series.
The 36-volt cars had a top speed of 40 miles per hour (64 km/h) and could run approximately 40 miles (64 km) on a full charge.


 After the 36-volt system was realized to be impractical, the Kilowatt drivetrain was redesigned by Eureka Williams as a 72-volt system for the 1960 model year.
It employed 12 six-volt batteries in series. The 72-volt models were much more practical than the 1959 36-volt models.
The 1960 Kilowatt boasted a top speed of nearly 60 mph (97 km/h) with a range of over 60 miles (97 km) on a single charge.





many freaky non-/industrial ideas https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrscharroo/6254055384/in/photostream/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrscharroo/6254055384/in/photostream/)


GM concept car 1969 https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrscharroo/6075724563/in/photostream/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrscharroo/6075724563/in/photostream/) could be the Citroen AMI  ::) in early stage


https://www.citroen.pt/universo-da-marca-citroen/concept-cars/ami-one-concept.html (https://www.citroen.pt/universo-da-marca-citroen/concept-cars/ami-one-concept.html)




https://mymodernmet.com/ultramodern-zero-personal-helicopter/ (https://mymodernmet.com/ultramodern-zero-personal-helicopter/) technical data for performance improvement ?  :)


-2030- and beyond mobility design outlook : https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/465770786453828645/?d=t&mt=signup (https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/465770786453828645/?d=t&mt=signup)
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on August 14, 2021, 10:15:52 PM
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=tanaka+saburo&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=tanaka+saburo&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)


How cheap could such an inverter system become realized ,mass production condition ?


 For off-grid house and car or as portable energy deliverer/source ?


inverter costs :


https://overunity.com/2606/electricity-saver/ (https://overunity.com/2606/electricity-saver/)


http://www.powerguru.org/planar-transformers-are-essential-for-truly-efficient-electrichybrid-vehicles/ (http://www.powerguru.org/planar-transformers-are-essential-for-truly-efficient-electrichybrid-vehicles/)

https://web.archive.org/web/20161008041359/http://www.powerguru.org/planar-transformers-are-essential-for-truly-efficient-electrichybrid-vehicles/

It is common for a 5kW planar transformer to cost in the region of   $23   nowadays,
and in volumes of 100k+ prices below   $10   per piece are easily achievable.

( Watt rated or Wattpeak ?)

lowest : 10 US$/5000 W = 1000 US$cents/5000 W = 0,002 US$/Wp




PV-on-grid inverter costs
https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy06osti/38771.pdf (https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy06osti/38771.pdf)


for 2020 a production price estimation :     PV-grid inverter     0,10  US$/Wp




fifthy times different costs dependent also on-grid/off-grid quality minimum regulation ( clearly also input V and output V)






simple commercial price difference we see for example between " square wave inverter" and " Pure sine wave inverter"


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332265514_Square_Wave_Inverters_-A_performance_Comparison_with_Pure_Sine_wave_Inverters (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332265514_Square_Wave_Inverters_-A_performance_Comparison_with_Pure_Sine_wave_Inverters)
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on August 17, 2021, 05:47:22 PM
https://www.google.com/search?q=shell+eco+marathon+electric+mobile&rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&oq=shell+eco+marathon+electric+mobile&aqs=chrome..69i57.12176j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 (https://www.google.com/search?q=shell+eco+marathon+electric+mobile&rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&oq=shell+eco+marathon+electric+mobile&aqs=chrome..69i57.12176j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)

http://www.duke-ev.org/prototype-evolution (http://www.duke-ev.org/prototype-evolution)


prototypes electric engine power


Nominal Motor Power: 75 W        Motor: 350W hub motor          Nominal motor power: 250W




1000 Km with 1 KWh battery load by 25 Km*h speed  = 25 W per hour drive consume




2 KWh battery capacity in 15 minutes loading ,means 8000 VA loader  https://www.log9materials.com/two-wheeler.html (https://www.log9materials.com/two-wheeler.html)

200 Wh in 1,5 minutes,8000 VA or 200 Wh in 8 minutes,1500 VA conventional power outlet

20 Wh in   9 seconds,8000 VA   or 20 Wh in 48 seconds,1500 VA conventional power outlet


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from Duke-ev to




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5)


Electric motor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_motor) 250 W (0.34 hp) assuming with average 20 Km*h = 250 W/0,9 ( for 90% e-motor efficiency)/ 0,2 = 1400 Wh/100 Km



https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19951107&CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19951107&CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A)


by application and  1/10 less electric consume   -by given claim-    1400 Wh/10    =        140 Wh/100 Km


                                                                                                                      or            28W per hour


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https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.autozeitung.de/mega-test-die-100-sparsamsten-autos-verbrauchs-vergleich-66107.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.autozeitung.de/mega-test-die-100-sparsamsten-autos-verbrauchs-vergleich-66107.html)


Supergasoline ic engine car : REAL-LIFE teste average 6 liter/100 Km


 EVs convert over 77% of the electrical energy (https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/atv-ev.shtml) from the grid to power at the wheels.
 Conventional gasoline vehicles only convert about 12%–30% (https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/atv.shtml) of the energy stored in gasoline to power at the wheels.


77% of the electrical energy (https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/atv-ev.shtml) from the grid to power at the wheels ,from battery electrical energy to power at the wheels ?


Grid electricity to charger/battery charge losts ?

http://www.duke-ev.org/prototype-evolution (http://www.duke-ev.org/prototype-evolution)  : Motor Controller to Wheel Efficiency: 86%




                 ic engine car power-to-wheel ratio/efficiency


https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1118534_fact-of-the-week-internal-combustion-cars-still-waste-70-to-88-percent-of-energy (https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1118534_fact-of-the-week-internal-combustion-cars-still-waste-70-to-88-percent-of-energy)

This week, the DOE noted that of all the energy splashed into a conventional car's gas tank, only 12 to 30 percent actually goes to move the car down the road (https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1044-august-27-2018-12-30-energy-put-conventional-car-used-move-car-down).


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306261920309752 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306261920309752)


According to [5] (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306261920309752#b0025), typical values are 10%–13% on urban cycles and about 28% for highway cycles.



                electric drive car power-to-wheel ratio/efficiency


https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/evtech.shtml#:~:text=Energy%20efficient.,to%20power%20at%20the%20wheels (https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/evtech.shtml#:~:text=Energy%20efficient.,to%20power%20at%20the%20wheels).






13%  ic engine /77% electric motor  x 60 KWh (= 6 lt. gasoline) = 10,1 KWh  urban cycle


30%  ic engine /77% electric motor  x 60 KWh (= 6 lt. gasoline) = 23,4 KWh  highway cycle


                                                                             TARGET

                                                        10,1 KWh  urban cycle "average heavy" city cars


                    less consume,weight                                                                              brake energy recuperation


https://www.voanews.com/silicon-valley-technology/can-better-electric-motor-save-planet (https://www.voanews.com/silicon-valley-technology/can-better-electric-motor-save-planet)

                  10,1 KWh to +- 5 KWh/100 Km                                                                from 3 KWh to 5 KWh improved generator /100 Km





                                                                5 KWh consume - 5 KWh recuperation


                                                                             = NET ZERO


               capacitive cycle motor


                1 KWh consume                                                                              unmodified conventional generator : 3 KWh recuperation


             


              power-capacity-and-power-capability comparison  between batteries and capacitors and active/reactive re-/charge time !
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on August 17, 2021, 10:54:13 PM
Lavenami,Electrilite,esoro,Garwood super electric car :


but https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Arzens (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Arzens) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Paul_Arzens_Oeuf.JPG/800px-Paul_Arzens_Oeuf.JPG (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Paul_Arzens_Oeuf.JPG/800px-Paul_Arzens_Oeuf.JPG)


comes the basic idea nearest !


With a total weight of less than 800 pounds, the Electric Egg boasted a range of 63 miles and a top speed of 44 M.P.H., respectable performance compared to the few alternatives available at the time.


https://www.hotcars.com/a-detailed-look-back-at-the-loeuf-electrique-concept-car/ (https://www.hotcars.com/a-detailed-look-back-at-the-loeuf-electrique-concept-car/)


The body of the L'Oeuf Electrique Concept Car weighed in at just 66 lbs. which clearly made it a tippity-toe car!


 Adding the electric motor bumped up its weight to 198.4 lbs. and it was only after the battery pack was added that the total weight came up to 771 lbs.


It clearly was one of the lightest road-going cars made. (https://www.hotcars.com/ranking-the-lightest-road-legal-cars/) The major reason for its extremely lightweight layout was an aluminum shell with plexiglass covering almost more than half of the exterior. Arzens clearly loved to pick his Electric Egg up!




66 lbs or 30 Kg the car body


132,4 lbs  or 60 Kg ( 198,4 lbs -66 lbs ) the electric motor


572,6 lbs or 260 Kg the batteries , 5 x 12 V x 250 Ah = 15 000 VAh , DoD !




Totally  350 Kg the  WW2-era  40´version




                                                               2021 ?


66 lbs or 30 Kg the car body


max.      20 Kg the electric motor, permanent magnets

f.e.        Scooter version, 5 KW :     http://www.schillergy.com/pdf/schiller-energy.pdf (http://www.schillergy.com/pdf/schiller-energy.pdf)




the batteries weight : for 15 000 VAh ,with 80%+ DoD


             120 Kg   125 Wh/Kg


               75 Kg   200 Wh/Kg 

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2021/07/20210730-catl.html (https://www.greencarcongress.com/2021/07/20210730-catl.html)

               60 Kg   250 Wh/Kg

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/24m-surpasses-250-wh-kg-on-the-road-to-400/ (https://chargedevs.com/newswire/24m-surpasses-250-wh-kg-on-the-road-to-400/)

               30 Kg   500 Wh/Kg

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/650_whkg_1400_whl_recharg_batt_new_era_elect_mobility_ymikhaylik_0.pdf (https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/650_whkg_1400_whl_recharg_batt_new_era_elect_mobility_ymikhaylik_0.pdf)

               15 Kg 1000 Wh/Kg 


https://innolith.com/de/innovative-energietechnologie-von-innolith-ermoglicht-fahrzeugbatterien-fur-ev-reichweiten-von-1000-km/ (https://innolith.com/de/innovative-energietechnologie-von-innolith-ermoglicht-fahrzeugbatterien-fur-ev-reichweiten-von-1000-km/)
https://insideevs.com/news/343771/innolith-claims-its-on-path-to-1000-wh-kg-battery-energy-density/ (https://insideevs.com/news/343771/innolith-claims-its-on-path-to-1000-wh-kg-battery-energy-density/)




          An hundred-twenty-five Kilogram (200Wh/Kg+ battery )


                                    to hundred Kilogram(300 Wh/Kg+ battery) city-car ?








Electric motor power,RPM ?


https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27%C5%92uf_%C3%A9lectrique (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27%C5%92uf_%C3%A9lectrique)

Motorisation[modifier (https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=L%27%C5%92uf_%C3%A9lectrique&veaction=edit&section=3) | modifier le code (https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=L%27%C5%92uf_%C3%A9lectrique&action=edit&section=3)]Pour contourner le rationnement (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationnement) de carburant durant l'occupation de la France par l'Allemagne pendant la Seconde Guerre mondiale (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_de_la_France_par_l%27Allemagne_pendant_la_Seconde_Guerre_mondiale), Paul Arzens motorise son véhicule avec un moteur électrique alimenté par cinq batteries de 300 kg, de 12 volts et 250 Ah (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amp%C3%A8re-heure), situées sous la banquette, pour une vitesse de pointe de 70 km/h, et une autonomie de 100 km3 (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27%C5%92uf_%C3%A9lectrique#cite_note-3). Il remplace le moteur électrique à la fin de la guerre, par un moteur à essence monocylindre Peugeot (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot) de 125 cm3 et 5,5 ch, pour une vitesse de pointe de 80 km/h4 (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27%C5%92uf_%C3%A9lectrique#cite_note-4).


5,5 hp  x 0,745 are +  - 4,1 KW  as IC engine powered version ,  by then 80 Km/h instead 70 Km/h peak as electric version !


As ic version less battery weight !



15 000 VAh nominal capacity X 50% DoD lead battery x 50% electric motor (1940) average efficiency = 3750 VAh available net power


60 miles range are +- 106 Km,so we can assume it was a nominal  ( 70 Km/h  peak velocity /106 Km range) x 3750 VA =


                                                            2,5 KW rated  electric motor


"learning by doing" and/or "learning by (others their) experience" :


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Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on August 18, 2021, 11:16:45 AM
https://www.ina.fr/video/I14267037 (https://www.ina.fr/video/I14267037) time-sequence 0:28 to 0:30 the weight/movement car/driver relation by car leaving


The known problem as "Elk-teste" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXs1Bc489V4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXs1Bc489V4)      MB Model A and Smart car

Elk or playing kids or unfocused people in the city streets !


Decreasing weight changes car/road,car/driver and car/speed physical parameters !


350 Kg/ 75 Kg driver(f./m.) weight ratio     to    125-100 Kg car weight/75 Kg weight ratio and by same car hight/road ratio and speed  !


Instead hard-top body change to inflatable soft-top "bubble/sphere",an average 2 hours daily mobile use reduce related 24 hours blower use as shelter the blower electric consume !


When 1300 W by 29 sqm area - improved - for given car volume the blower consume per hour to 10 W reduceable !


"open space" mobile with anti-wind/rain/flying objects safety !






That 30 Km/h city speed max car does not need a great electric motor power number, reference :




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_F-Cell_Roadster (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_F-Cell_Roadster)


It has an electric motor powered ( by a fuel cell located ) at the rear of a power of 1.2 kW (1.63 hp).


 It has a low top speed of 25 km/h (16 mph) and can achieve an operating range of 350 km (217 mi).


Roadster weight (net):


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.autowallpaper.de/hersteller/mercedes-benz/mercedes-f-cell-roadster-concept.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.autowallpaper.de/hersteller/mercedes-benz/mercedes-f-cell-roadster-concept.html)


Materials such as carbon, aluminum, plexiglass, glass and carbon fiber make the Roadster a flyweight of 350 kg.


 ::)  " .....  The F-CELL Roadster is controlled using drive-by-wire technology and has a joystick instead of a steering wheel. ...."




                         Arzens aluminum, plexiglass  L´OEUF : with joystick instead of a steering wheel ?




  25 Km/h   top            1,2 KW   MB F-Cell Roadster


  40 Km/h   top            1,5 KW   12 Volt  weight ? http://www.evalbum.com/314 (http://www.evalbum.com/314)


120 Km/h+ top            1,5 KW   230 Volt/50 Hz conventional gasoline car ( with ic engine 800 Kg+ ) to electric modification


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/007633831/publication/DE10011074A1?q=pn%3DDE10011074A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/007633831/publication/DE10011074A1?q=pn%3DDE10011074A1)


 8)  when 2 KW/Kg by 48 Volt DC  and 10 KW/Kg by 400 Volt AC how heavy becomes an 1,5 KW 230 Volt AC  4000 RPM electric motor ?


                                                 http://www.schillergy.com/pdf/schiller-energy.pdf (http://www.schillergy.com/pdf/schiller-energy.pdf)
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on August 19, 2021, 10:39:20 AM
 25 Km/h   top            1,2 KW   MB F-Cell Roadster


  40 Km/h   top            1,5 KW   12 Volt  weight ? http://www.evalbum.com/314 (http://www.evalbum.com/314)


120 Km/h+ top            1,5 KW   230 Volt/50 Hz conventional gasoline car ( with ic engine 800 Kg+ ) to electric modification


http://www.evalbum.com/314 (http://www.evalbum.com/314)  :   weight ? 
                                                                        Curb Weight  220 Pounds (99 Kilograms)




                                         Which is the Lavenami average consume per hour ?


                                         1,5 KW 12 Volt motor ( without conversion efficiency knowing)


                                         12 Volt by 70 Ah lead battery


                                         40 Km/h top speed


                                         49 Km range with given nominal lead battery capacity




Calculation :                             Which is the Lavenami average consume per hour ?


for 100 Km range                      12 V x 70 Ah / 0,49 = 1750 VAh nominal lead battery capacity


for 25 Km/h average speed        1750 VAh /4           =   437,5 VAh per hour average   


x DoD factor lead       


       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-cycle_battery#:~:text=For%20lead%2Dacid%20deep%2Dcycle,best%20for%20storage%20vs%20cost (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-cycle_battery#:~:text=For%20lead%2Dacid%20deep%2Dcycle,best%20for%20storage%20vs%20cost).


https://federalbatteries.com.au/news/what-depth-discharge-and-why-it-so-important#:~:text=A%20battery's%20depth%20of%20discharge,divided%20by%20battery%20nominal%20capacity (https://federalbatteries.com.au/news/what-depth-discharge-and-why-it-so-important#:~:text=A%20battery's%20depth%20of%20discharge,divided%20by%20battery%20nominal%20capacity).

A battery’s depth of discharge (DoD) indicates the percentage of the battery that has been discharged relative to the overall capacity of the battery. Depth of Discharge is defined as the capacity that is discharged from a fully charged battery, divided by battery nominal capacity. Depth of discharge is normally expressed as a percentage. For, example, if a 100 A h battery is discharged for 20 minutes at a current of 50 A, the depth of discharge is 50 * 20 / 60 / 100 = 16.7 %.


Attention :     Depth of Discharge : to differ A(mpére depth) 50 A/100 A  = 50%  and by time = 16.7 % A(mpére-hour depth)







taking low 50 % for lead battery anf 70% for " deep discharge " batteries


                                                437,5 VAh per hour average  x 0,5 DoD = net(to)  +- 220 VAh

                                                                                                              energy consume


                                                220 VAh /0,7                                       =     314 VAh


                                                 314 VAh "high  DoD" battery to wheel ratio per hour and 25 Km

                                                    We need 1250 VAh battery capacity for 100 Km range


                                                   By given Wh(VAh)/Kg alternatives :



the batteries weight : for 15 000 VAh ,with 80%+ DoD


         120 Kg   125 Wh/Kg             


           75 Kg   200 Wh/Kg https://www.greencarcongress.com/2021/07/20210730-catl.html (https://www.greencarcongress.com/2021/07/20210730-catl.html)   


            60 Kg  250 Wh/Kghttps://chargedevs.com/newswire/24m-surpasses-250-wh-kg-on-the-road-to-400/ (https://chargedevs.com/newswire/24m-surpasses-250-wh-kg-on-the-road-to-400/)           


           30 Kg   500 Wh/Kg https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/650_whkg_1400_whl_recharg_batt_new_era_elect_mobility_ymikhaylik_0.pdf (https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/650_whkg_1400_whl_recharg_batt_new_era_elect_mobility_ymikhaylik_0.pdf)


           15 Kg 1000 Wh/Kg


https://innolith.com/de/innovative-energietechnologie-von-innolith-ermoglicht-fahrzeugbatterien-fur-ev-reichweiten-von-1000-km/ (https://innolith.com/de/innovative-energietechnologie-von-innolith-ermoglicht-fahrzeugbatterien-fur-ev-reichweiten-von-1000-km/)


https://insideevs.com/news/343771/innolith-claims-its-on-path-to-1000-wh-kg-battery-energy-density/ (https://insideevs.com/news/343771/innolith-claims-its-on-path-to-1000-wh-kg-battery-energy-density/)


                     1250 VAh battery weight : between 10 Kg and 1,25 Kg for 100 Km range









Arzen L´OEUF curb weight estimation ,2021 standart :

                    30 Kg car body

                    10 Kg f.e. 1,5 KW 230 V AC Schiller electric motor and DC/AC inverter

                    10 Kg battery with 125 Wh/Kg


                   totals : 50 Kg


with 50% power saving magnet array e-drive improved and on-board 250 W per hour e-generator :

                                             really long range reachable ,practically also autonomous


   (  Mr.Birmingham,250 W https://geospatial.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83476d35153ef022ad3c0d118200b-popup (https://geospatial.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83476d35153ef022ad3c0d118200b-popup) are enough ! ;)  )

















what is here ,by Lavenami numbers analysis,also remarkable ?

What in the Li Yng publication is meaned with up to 9/10 "power savings" !

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19951107&CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19951107&CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A)

Rated drive power compared real power per hour consume !

And : https://www.quantum-controls.co.uk/insights/faqs/what-is-cube-law/ (https://www.quantum-controls.co.uk/insights/faqs/what-is-cube-law/)

                   
                                 rated power/ real energy consume :     A.per hour        B. per 100 Km




http://www.duke-ev.org/prototype-evolution (http://www.duke-ev.org/prototype-evolution)

                                                                      teach me !

                                           Vehicle Weight: 26 kg race ready


                                           Nominal Motor Power: 75 W


                                                              Duke,many thanks !








https://www.log9materials.com/ (https://www.log9materials.com/)   2000 Wh in 15 minutes charging ( = min. 8000 VA loader)






                                                    314 Wh need per hour conventional motor


                                                    157 Wh need per hour magnet array motor




                                                   - brake energy recuperation /AmWind on tect generator ;D
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on August 20, 2021, 09:15:56 PM
Learning from the past is sometimes difficult :


https://simanaitissays.com/2018/04/01/george-constantinescu-scientist-engineer-inventor-automaker-part-2/ (https://simanaitissays.com/2018/04/01/george-constantinescu-scientist-engineer-inventor-automaker-part-2/)


https://simanaitissays.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/constantinesco_car.jpg?w=547&h=741 (https://simanaitissays.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/constantinesco_car.jpg?w=547&h=741)


                                                               5 hp !?


                              This water-cooled engine displaced a mere 494 cc and produced 5 taxable hp (http://wp.me/p2ETap-1FE)


                               https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_horsepower (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_horsepower)   


                               versus Physics  horsepower






                                How such numbers convertable to electric horsepower numbers ?




                               Electric DC Watt Volt


                               Electric AC Watt Volt Hz


                               Electric Pulse DC Watt Volt Hz duty cycle


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Constantinescu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Constantinescu)


Sonics[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_Constantinescu&action=edit&section=6)]


In 1918, he published the book A treatise on transmission of power by vibrations[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Constantinescu#cite_note-4) in which he described his theory of sonics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_sonics).


The theory is applicable to various systems of power transmission but has mostly been applied to hydraulic systems.
 
Sonics differs from hydrostatics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrostatics), being based on waves, rather than pressure, in the liquid.

Constantinescu argued that, contrary to popular belief, liquids are compressible.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Constantinescu#cite_note-5)

Transmission of power by waves (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave) in a liquid (e.g. water or oil) required a generator to produce the waves and a motor to use the waves to do work, either by percussion (as in rock drills (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drifter_(drill))) or by conversion to rotary motion.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Constantinescu#cite_note-archive2002-2)


compared



https://www.engineair.com.au/ (https://www.engineair.com.au/)


Our engines diameter is not much bigger than a flip out mobile phone; yet has sufficient force to power a car. A single engine can power a 600kg car.

This small engine weighs little more than a bag of potatoes (6 kg) and has no more than 10 major components.


Our engine achieves a mechanical efficiency of 90% and delivers constant torque with virtually no friction. Only 1 PSI (≈ 6,8 kPa) of pressure is needed to overcome the friction.




climate change by temperature

https://web.archive.org/web/20110929000932/http://www.engineair.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18&Itemid=12 (https://web.archive.org/web/20110929000932/http://www.engineair.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18&Itemid=12)


A 4 litre internal combustion engine is in fact using approximately a 1/4 of a million litres of air per hour running at 2000 rpm.


The consumption of petrol in this case is for generating hot air, it is that hot air that pushes the pistons and powers a vehicle.



 
    1/4 of a million litres of air before engine entering and after engine process outgassing temperature change ?


                           https://www.toppr.com/guides/physics/fundamentals/density-of-air-how-to-calculate-air-density/ (https://www.toppr.com/guides/physics/fundamentals/density-of-air-how-to-calculate-air-density/)


The density of air is about 1.225 kilogram per cubic meter (kg/m3) at 15 degree Celsius and at sea level.
 Also, this is the value according to the International Standard Atmosphere (ISA).
If we talk about other units then it is 1225.0 gram per cubic meter (g/m3), 0.0765 lb./ (cu ft.), or 0.0023769 slug/ (cu ft.)








How many joules does it take to raise air 1 degree?



Air has a heat capacity of about 700 Joules per kg per °K and a density of just 1.2 kg/m3,
 so its initial energy would be 700 x 1 x 1.2 x 293 = 246,120 Joules
— a tiny fraction of the thermal energy stored in the water.


https://www.reddit.com/r/AskPhysics/comments/ajao9x/energy_required_to_heat_up_100m%C2%B3_of_air_by_10c/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/AskPhysics/comments/ajao9x/energy_required_to_heat_up_100m%C2%B3_of_air_by_10c/)


Energy required to heat up 100m³ of air by 10C from 10C to 20C

Formula:

specific heat capacity of substance x mass of substance x temperature difference


Specific heat capacity of air is 1.006 kJ/kgC

Mass of air:density of air at 10C is 1.2466 kg/m3 and mass = density x volume = 1.2466 x 100 = 124KG

Temperature differential = 10C

energy needed = 1.006 x 124 x 10 = 1247 KJ


1247        KJ    for   10°K   increase   of   100 cbm of air

                               /10
 
  124,7      KJ    for     1°K  increase  of   100 cbm of air

                             / 100

      1,247 KJ    for   1°K increase   of     1 cbm of air

compared   

  246,120 Joules


                                                     


                                             1 247 Joules/246 120 Joules




              How do IPCC climate change researcher in their well air conditionized rooms temperature changes calculate ?
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on August 23, 2021, 10:57:57 PM
Not cause the relatively ugly car design but because the innovative battery-concept,range extending :


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.kicker.de/acm-city-one-elektro-mini-mit-wechselakku-869251/artikel
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on August 25, 2021, 02:52:23 PM
Like a Pashtune becomes a Talib´an


a Citroen Ami


becomes an


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/auto/Opel-Rocks-e-SUM-mit-franzoesischen-Genen-article22761444.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/auto/Opel-Rocks-e-SUM-mit-franzoesischen-Genen-article22761444.html)


Only other Outfit ! For the same input !




Is this shame ?


That cute plastic cube, which is equipped with a 5.5 kWh battery, which with the help of a 9 HP electric motor can travel 75 kilometers and can be recharged in just under 3.5 hours at the household socket.


Why they -the engineers/propagandists- do not give KW or Nm as orientation ?


                                              6,7 nominal/rated KW electric motor
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 05, 2021, 03:38:22 PM
What do we know about the "rotoverter"-performance ? A motor-generator couple !


Can this become an electric car/vehicle drive system ?


They think/thought : Yes !   https://web.archive.org/web/20071119131255/http://www.trinitymotors.net/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20071119131255/http://www.trinitymotors.net/)  POWERMAX-concept




Some decades back :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19881103&CC=DE&NR=3713965A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19881103&CC=DE&NR=3713965A1&KC=A1)


http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3713965&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3713965&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)


When using this configuration as an electric car drive, the range can be at least doubled.



This means "physically" 50% waste energy recapture by direct motor-generator couple !


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=DE&NR=3713965A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19881103&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=DE&NR=3713965A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19881103&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)


we see two independent machine units !


+  Motor improvement !


+  Generator improvement !


when under original idea : 100    e-units motor in and 50 e-units average generator back = 50 e-units net consume = range doubling


                                        66,6  e- units average motor modified consume


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20080812&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=US&NR=7411363B2&KC=B2&ND=4 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20080812&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=US&NR=7411363B2&KC=B2&ND=4)


                                                                         and 50 e-units average conventional generator back


                                                                         = 16,6 e-units net consume = range 6X




                                        50    e-units average motor modified consume


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=21&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20110609&CC=DE&NR=112009002191A5&KC=A5 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=21&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20110609&CC=DE&NR=112009002191A5&KC=A5)


                                                                         and 50 e-units average conventional generator back




                                                                         = near Net Zero consume , nearly limitless range




Generator modification : Arestov double winding


                                    Tudor-Frunzi (ROM) generator


                                    Kango Iida generator


                                    David Yurth generator coil coating




and  e-tank                   https://www.patentsencyclopedia.com/app/20090079393 (https://www.patentsencyclopedia.com/app/20090079393)


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unmodified


and

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20190207&CC=JP&NR=2019022271A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20190207&CC=JP&NR=2019022271A&KC=A)


= limitless drive


100 / Saburo factor 4 or 5 = 20 to 25 units consume - 50 e-units recapture = surplus electricity production




for e-bikes 100 or 200 or ....  Watt Rust rotoverter and appropriate

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=JP&NR=2007028879A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=JP&NR=2007028879A&KC=A)

numbers/quantity of nichrome wires



= limitless range
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: Floor on September 05, 2021, 05:27:12 PM
Rotoverters are typically used to convert single phase to three phase
electricity.

Three phase electicity is desireable in industrial applications using electric
motors (it is more efficient the single  phase).
Note.. more efficient for motors, but not more efficient for ohmic heating.

Three phase is generally not available / provided, except in commercial and industrial
parts of a city or region. 

Industrial equipment commonly, is equiped with three phase motors.
If three phase power is not available at the location at which the equipment is
installed, a single rotoverter might be used instead of replacing the three phase
motors on several pieces of machinery.

This is a short term savings, but also  a long term increase in costs.

Using a rotoverter to run a three phase motor on single phase, is even less
energy efficient than using a single phase electric motor.

... ... ... ...

It is more efficient to use the electricity from solar pannels, wind mills and other
kinds of electric power sources directly into the motors and so on
(as that electricity is being produced).
                                    because
Energy is wasted / converted to heat when an electric cell or battery is charged. 
How much is wasted depends upon the type of cell. Then again, heat is produced
(in the battery) / energy is wasted during battery discharge. 

As much as 50% +-  can be wasted this way ?

Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 05, 2021, 05:34:05 PM

https://www.oeko.de/fileadmin/oekodoc/Smarthome-Stromverbrauch.pdf (https://www.oeko.de/fileadmin/oekodoc/Smarthome-Stromverbrauch.pdf)

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.oeko.de/fileadmin/oekodoc/Smarthome-Stromverbrauch.pdf (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.oeko.de/fileadmin/oekodoc/Smarthome-Stromverbrauch.pdf)




It is more efficient to use the electricity from solar pan(n)els, wind mills and other kinds of electric power sources directly into the motors and so on(as that electricity is being produced).

                                                                          ???





For the Vale http://www.habiter-autrement.org/12.energies/16_ener.htm (http://www.habiter-autrement.org/12.energies/16_ener.htm) electric consume lights, appliances and cooking 1,200 kWh


https://oeko-energie.de/energieberatung/index.php (https://oeko-energie.de/energieberatung/index.php) Standart Household Intelligent Household


and/or mtbest.net the e-consume




how ,floor,do you controle a. the peak/inrush current during inertia phase and b. how do you calculate the VA need ?


 


electric-motor rated W x 6-10 inrush phase                   or x3 with inrush current limiter  ( Dirac surges )          and


                                                    the appliances seriell or parallel in use ?





                             500 W rated power = 3000-5000 W inrush phase demand !


                             100 W incandescent bulb = up to 200 times the rated value




homebus-engineering from the 80´:


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=20&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19831208&CC=DE&NR=3221505A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=20&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19831208&CC=DE&NR=3221505A1&KC=A1)


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19950529&CC=ZA&NR=947569B&KC=B (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19950529&CC=ZA&NR=947569B&KC=B)
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: Floor on September 05, 2021, 06:34:58 PM

It is more efficient to use the electricity from solar pan(n)els, wind mills and other kinds of electric power sources directly into the motors and so on(as that electricity is being produced).

                                                                          ???
...   

             Your out of context quote  =  a misquote

     actual quote / complete quote is
It is more efficient to use the electricity from solar pannels, wind mills and other
kinds of electric power sources directly into the motors and so on
(as that electricity is being produced).
                                    because
Energy is wasted / converted to heat when an electric cell or battery is charged.
How much is wasted depends upon the type of cell. Then again, heat is produced
(in the battery) / energy is wasted during battery discharge.

As much as 50% +-  can be wasted this way ?

Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 05, 2021, 06:50:35 PM
I see a problem :


electric power sources directly into the motors and so on


It is an energy ,here electrical, management and network controle issue !


an example :


http://www.habiter-autrement.org/12.energies/16_ener.htm (http://www.habiter-autrement.org/12.energies/16_ener.htm)


lights, appliances and cooking 1,200 kWh



1975 efficiencies !


1200 KWh /365,25  days = 3280 Wh electric consume per day











with 2021 conventional electric magnet motor and LED/+controler and  cooking related : heatelement/controler reduceable to


                                            2400 Wh electric consume per day / 24 h


                                   = 100 W net per hour electricity generation and storage = 2400 VAh battery




with a detailed appliances units list we can calculate the reducement potential,inductive or resistive or conductive unit 




        2400 Wh can be the consumption from 10 000 W and more rated appliances,but only short time working :


toaster each 4-5 minutes   800 Watt rated but +- 70 Wh per use cycle


coffemachine 5-7 minutes 1500 W  rated but  +- 150 Wh per use cycle


et cetera


hot water boiler 4-5- minutes


baking owen  1/2 hour - 2 hours +


mixer


bread baking machine


fridge 100 W rated motor but in average 800 Wh per day consume


..............







battery set total input /output efficiency ?


http://www.bticcs.com/ (http://www.bticcs.com/)


https://www.powertechsystems.eu/home/tech-corner/lithium-ion-battery-advantages/#:~:text=Lithium%20batteries%20charge%20at%20nearly,gets%20covered%20up%20by%20clouds (https://www.powertechsystems.eu/home/tech-corner/lithium-ion-battery-advantages/#:~:text=Lithium%20batteries%20charge%20at%20nearly,gets%20covered%20up%20by%20clouds).



Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: Floor on September 05, 2021, 07:13:48 PM
Partial quote continued


how ,floor,do you control a. the peak/inrush current during inertia phase and b. how do you calculate the VA need ?

electric-motor rated W x 6-10 inrush phase                   or x3 with inrush current limiter  ( Dirac surges )          and


                                                    the appliances seriell or parallel in use ?

                             500 W rated power = 3000-5000 W inrush phase demand !

                             100 W incandescent bulb = up to 200 times the rated value

homebus-engineering from the 80´:


Yes I agree, you are correct Lanka.

Peek current flow due to inrush is caused by the motor starting circuits (in appliance motors)
in order to over come inertia.

Initially / typically, an electric motor needs more current to get it up to speed when it
is first started. 

Also a slow turning heavily loaded motor may draw more amperage than when it is running
at its designed for RPMs.

Incandescent lights and electric heaters, have a low electrical resistance before they reach operating temperature and  initially /  briefly draw high amperage.

                  Example Problem

1 million people in a city, arrive at home from work within a 30 minute time span
and turn on their air conditioners and an electric tea pot.  During that 30 minute time
span, the electrical grid may requite several times the normal electric current, due to a
very large number of air conditioners starting simultaneously (start up current).

Large electric power generating plants cannot rapidly react to sudden demand increases.
They are built to produce at a constant power rate. Whether that power is needed or not.
Whether that rate is sufficient to the load or not.

The power supply lines are designed with a maximum sustained current flow.  They can
handle larger flows but only briefly, before they over heat or circuit breakers trip.

Smart power grids can only do so much to alleviate the problem unless individual
homes and / or appliances are communicating with the grid and delaying and sequencing
their motor start ups and so on.

   edit / more
Building power plants large enough to accommodate peak current flows is wasteful.
Burning fuel at a rate which is higher than typically needed is not good.

Most power plants operate at one speed only / one power production rate only. They are
designed to be "efficient" unto their selves within a certain rate of steam turbine speed /
fuel consumption rate and so on.

Solar and wind tech are intermittent.  They are most efficient as point of use and time
of production use.

 regards
   floor
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 05, 2021, 08:21:00 PM
Solar and wind tech are intermittent. 


They are most efficient as point of use and time of production use.


And the bridge to "permanent or periodic (on demand) artificial photo(n)=light-voltaic ,later thermo(Phonon)-photo(n)-voltaic,


and artificial wind turbine converter .




Artificial photovoltaic converter array


http://www.rexresearch.com/imris/imris.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/imris/imris.htm)

At higher pressures, the device becomes Over Unity.( from physical values : this statement : wrong !)


  For instance, with a Xenon filled tube at 5,000 torr in a series circuit with 100  40 Watt fluoresent lamps (with a single wire going to each end of each lamp),
the optical generator pulls 332 Watts, with each lamp pulling 9 tenths Watt (at 5 Volts) for 3,200 lumens output (8.8 Watts) per tube - giving a total for the circuit of 880 Watts output for 442 Watts input.

and


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19900201&CC=DE&NR=3817730A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19900201&CC=DE&NR=3817730A1&KC=A1)


instead End 80´ 5,25% conversion photovoltaic cells experimenting with 10-15-20,later 45% and more conversion efficiency


                                                                     Imris-Koehler tubes


with 15% efficiency cells : up to 100 tubes x 200 W output = 20 000 W per hour : for 442 Watts input.  :)


btw: by old unefficient 40 Watt fluorescent lamps technology ,Dr.Pavel Imris application priority date 7-23-1974




                                                                                     #36


  2400 Wh electric consume per day / 24 h      = 100 W net per hour electricity generation and storage = 2400 VAh battery


                                                              1x 200 Watt output tube is enough


I learned by my father (R.I.P.),I.N.S.E.A.D.-M.B.A. level ,also "No,Mr.d´Estaing (I.N.S.E.A.D. Decan G./O.d´E.),it is wrong !" courage
                                                                                      https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val%C3%A9ry_Giscard_d%27Estaing (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val%C3%A9ry_Giscard_d%27Estaing)
                                                                                      https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivier_Giscard_d%27Estaing (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivier_Giscard_d%27Estaing)
                                                                                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INSEAD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INSEAD)

and as https://www.investopedia.com/articles/professionals/011416/controller-job-description-average-salary.asp (https://www.investopedia.com/articles/professionals/011416/controller-job-description-average-salary.asp) working


to work out in Physics "Laplace operator" and " The controller (https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/controller.asp) oversees the accounting operations of a machine".




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Kron (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Kron)    and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann) applying


                                                 Kybernetik-Modulation


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybernetics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybernetics)   


 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kybernetik (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kybernetik)




artificial wind converter :


https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9318 (https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9318)


dis-vantage : the load side does not controle the source side !


permanent/periodic generation possible , with blade rpm controlling and by this generator output controle ,but :


direct couple only in on/off manner ( f.e. heater in cold time /cooler in summer )


the same -for free use/universal- non-operational dis-vantage here ,artificial light conversion:


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=paul+heinrich+marzahn&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=paul+heinrich+marzahn&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)


the output does not controle the source and also not the consumer side


the artificial solar and wind converter to see and use as battery charger and/or resistive loads charger




https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.udo-leuschner.de/basiswissen/SB124-05.htm (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.udo-leuschner.de/basiswissen/SB124-05.htm)  related #37
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: Floor on September 05, 2021, 11:40:43 PM
So this

"  For instance, with a Xenon filled tube at 5,000 torr in a series circuit with 100  40 Watt fluoresent lamps (with a single wire going to each end of each lamp),

the optical generator pulls 332 Watts, with each lamp pulling 9 tenths Watt (at 5 Volts) for 3,200 lumens output (8.8 Watts) per tube - giving a total for the circuit of 880 Watts output for 442 Watts input."

If valid...
combined 100 % efficiently, with a 51% efficient solar electric array,
would be unity ?
... ... ... ... ... ... ...
332 watts + (0.9 watts per lamp x 100) = 332 +90 = 422 watts input

3200 lumens = ? watts
 ? amount of radiant power = ? watts
I'm not sure what the conversion ratio is...
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 06, 2021, 01:17:16 AM
So this

"  For instance, with a Xenon filled tube at 5,000 torr in a series circuit with 100  40 Watt fluoresent lamps (with a single wire going to each end of each lamp),

the optical generator pulls 332 Watts, with each lamp pulling 9 tenths Watt (at 5 Volts) for 3,200 lumens output (8.8 Watts) per tube - giving a total for the circuit of 880 Watts output for 442 Watts input."

If valid...
combined 100 % efficiently, with a 51% efficient solar electric array,
would be unity ?
... ... ... ... ... ... ...
332 watts + (0.9 watts per lamp x 100) = 332 +90 = 422 watts input

3200 lumens = ? watts
 ? amount of radiant power = ? watts
I'm not sure what the conversion ratio is...


https://overunity.com/16681/24365-solar-cell-output-theory-and-experiments/105/ (https://overunity.com/16681/24365-solar-cell-output-theory-and-experiments/105/)


https://petapixel.com/2016/06/02/primer-inverse-square-law-light/ (https://petapixel.com/2016/06/02/primer-inverse-square-law-light/)


the lumen per Watt formula is defined by 1 metre distance !

https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2016/06/lightfalloffsquare.jpg (https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2016/06/lightfalloffsquare.jpg)  1 metre to 10 cm distance ?


when by 1    metre distance   : (1/1)v2 x 38 lumen  =      38 lumen/Watt/sqm area x 35W  =     1330 lumen/sqm


             0,1 metre  distance  : (1/0,1)v2 x 38 lumen = 3800 lumen/Watt/sqm area x 35 W = 133 000 lumen/sqm

the importance : natural earth daylight intensity reached !


                        133 000 lumen   /   93 lm/W =       1430 W  daylight per hour and sqm


                         3200 lumens = ? watts    per tube ( and how -by which distance- measured ? ;) )

                                                                    by 1mtr. distance :           
   
                        3200 lumen / (93 lm/W) =  34,4 Watt by (442 W/100 tubes) 4,42 W each input
                         

                         3200 lumen / 1330 lumen fluorescent lamp  = 2,4 x 35 rated Watt = 84 rated Watt per tube !




now for right balancing : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum)  and specific solar/thermic cell nm conversion optimum
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: Floor on September 06, 2021, 03:11:05 AM
power output in the form of visable light energy, which is equivalent to 84 watts of electric power
per flouescent tube.

100 tubes

8400 watts light output power.

Ok thanks for the links etcetera.
... ... ... ... ...
also for me to look into...
  spectrum of light  emission by tubes
    and
  spectrum of light absorption by "receiver / method"
... ... ... ... ...
         thanks
I will explore it further.
     regards
         floor
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 06, 2021, 03:14:01 AM
3200 lumen output


a. conventional


b. with Dr. Imris generator


a. 3200 lumen permanent


b.  to periodic 3200 lumen peak ,stroboscope like ?

3200 lumen / (93 lm/W) =  34,4 Watt by (442 W/100 tubes) 4,42 W each input

8/1

https://patents.google.com/patent/US5130608A/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US5130608A/en)


Using Ohm's Law, these conditions would produce 100 watts of peak power.
Using Equation I, the average power in the Example 1 can thus be calculated, i.e., about 4 watts.


Assuming that the power dissipated in the module itself is approximately 8 watts, the total average energy consumed is the sum of energy expenditure due to load and energy dissipated in the working module, namely a grand total of about 12 watts.


100 W /12 W = near 8/1

 As is well-known in the lighting art, fluorescent light is perceived continuous at 60 cycles AC per second,


which is above the time-resolving ability of the eye or critical fusion frequency (CFF)




But :
the Koehler-artificial light converter works without "power saving modules" or opto-electric generator

and the photo-voltaic conversion efficiency is now in the 45% range


from original 70W/35 W lamp by 5,25% cell efficiency ,the ratio transforms by 15% to 200 W/35W and by 45% efficiency to 600 W/35 W


the original 35 W lamps now by same output in the 20-25 W range commercial available


Imris and Zahardis are optional improvements !


for stationary installation :


Koehler 1 battery to lamp to solar cell


to         2 cell output to lamp to solar cell


to         3  ..........


to         .....         


Watt,KW,MW cascade by lamp inrush Voltage ( often overseen !) and inrush Amperage attention and handling !

The 35 Watt lamp emitts 1330 lumen,by 1330 lumen/(93 lumen/W) this equates 14,3 Watt output
and by 5,25% radiation conversion efficiency 14,3 W x 0,0525 = 0,75 W electric solar cell output !     

     By conventional 1 metre distance calculation !
With 10 cm distance : 133 000 lumen/(93 lm/W) = 1430 Watts
With lower distance there is also a known effect in work : npn /pnp layer cells recombination time

      distance/time/speed(velocity) relationship,beside photons flow concentration


Learning to work with numbers :

when the FRG MEMS-TAR converts with 45% efficiency by natural daylight about 1330 W/sqm ( theoretical solarconstant) a 600 Watt AC output

the same MEMS- TAR has 10 W/sqcm potential ,converter cooled,=

                                     100 000 Watts per sqm ( 1 sqm = 10 000 sqcm)

100 000 Watts peak/ 600 W natural unconcentrated daylight output = 166/1

Not enough ? : Reversible Thermoelectric Converter,Joseph Yater               

                         practical 10v7 or 10 000 000 Watt/sqm output  or 1 KW per sqcm
                         theoretical 10v12

When we remember Alvin Marks his 1984 'lumilight'- light converter 10 US$ per sqm production price ,compare the Yater-converter in the same production process level,but with 2021 100 US$/sqm production costs :

10 000 US$cents/ 100 000 Wp(per sqm) = 0,1 US$cent/Wp               
                              /1 000 000 Wp                   = 0,01 US$cent/Wp
This was the quentron/quenco 1-0,1 US$¢/Wp target and is the Nano-Boxx double layer production concept,40US$/KW production costs anymore to seen as " cheap" !

Last point : fluorescent lamp 35 rated Watt with 38 lm/W
                                                         Luminosity,Helligkeit,S(c)h(e)in(e)     bright

when by  1 mtr distance                   1330 lumen per sqm    / ( 93 lm/W)

                0,1 mtr distance           133 000 lumen per sqm    / ( 93 lm/W)   but compressed/concentrated 1/100 sqm

                0,01 mtr distance    13 300 000 lumen per sqm   / ( 93 lm/W)     but compressed/concentrated 1/10 000 sqm
                     1 cm

                0,001 mtr distance  ;)
                        1 mm

        or near ' DISTANCE ZERO '

       fluorescent lamps with ' sputted ' thermionic dots layer   surface cover           

       Lamp : when r = 2 cm then  circumference 2x pi x r  = 12,56 cm x 100 cm lamp length = 1256 sqcm

      1 sqm = 10 000 sqcm / 1256 sqcm =~ 1/8 sqm thermionic cell



https://web.archive.org/web/20120903004151/http://whatistemperature.com/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20120903004151/http://whatistemperature.com/)

Temperature or OE Frequency is measured in gigacycles/sec

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=12&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19880119&CC=US&NR=4720642A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=12&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19880119&CC=US&NR=4720642A&KC=A)

In the macro regime, conventional electrical theory applies with its concepts of resistance, resistive loss, capacitance.


 In the quantum regime an energy quantum is totally absorbed by an electron, producing an energetic electron which travels within its potential well, until it penetrates the tunnel junction.


Upon passing through the junction, the electron gives its energy to the electric field, becoming a thermal electron at a greater potential energy.
 Reverse current through the junction is constant, being limited by the junction structure and electric voltage. The forward current in the quantum regime is limited only by the input rate of energy quanta.
 Hence the forward/reverse current ratio of the Femto Diode may be very large.

The laws of physics which apply to large-scale electrical circuits in the macro regime are different from the quantum electrodynamic laws of physics in the quantum regime.
Because of the small current and time intervals concerned, individual electrons are utilized one at a time.
 In a Femto Diode, a single electron approaches the barrier travelling over submicron distances with an energy .xi.=h.nu.=Ve.
Consequently, no charge cloud forms at the insulating barrier, and there is therefore no capacitance effect.
The time constant equation is therefore not applicable to the submicron diode of the invention.

 The energetic electron in this case is a sole electron in a dipole antenna operating in the quantum regime. It is subject to quantum regime laws, which are different from the macro-regime RLC laws conventionally applied to antennae.
Since RLC circuit theory does not apply in the quantum regime, the properties of the well-step quantum analysis discussed in connection with FIGS. 3 and 4 applies. The dipole antenna length b is adjusted to a 1/4 cycle of the light frequency .lambda. so that b=.lambda./4n.



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Up to 10 MW (or 10v7 W)/sqm






M.A.S.E.R. like


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19890524&CC=DD&NR=268331A5&KC=A5 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19890524&CC=DD&NR=268331A5&KC=A5)


up to 10v14 Watt/sqcm
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 06, 2021, 06:40:30 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5)   nominal 250 W motor ,45 Kg   max 24 Km/h


https://citkar.com/de/ (https://citkar.com/de/) Loadster                 nominal 250 W motor,150 Kg   max 25 Km/h


https://www.cityq.biz/ (https://www.cityq.biz/)                              nominal 250 W motor,60 Kg     max 25 Km/h ,limited


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Paul Arzen electric Egg http://electricandhybridcars.com/images/uploaded/1evegg.jpg (http://electricandhybridcars.com/images/uploaded/1evegg.jpg)


L'Oeuf or Better known as the Electric Egg
In 1942, French auto designer, Paul Arzens designed an electric car that was instantly christened "L'Oeuf" (the egg), reflecting it's egg-shape.
Other eye catching features were the tiny wheels and the high proportion of the bodywork formed of curved transparent plexiglas.
The body itself weighed just 60 kg, although adding the electric rear mounted motor raised this to 90 kg.
Once batteries were added the vehicle weight was increased to 350 kg, allowing for a range of 63 miles at 44 mph.

2021 : the car body from aluminium to "recycled Oceanus plastics" ? 60 Kg as target
           the electric motor,reference Haeusler Zsolt 1500 W AC-220 V 4000 RPM by Schiller PAM Tech : max 5 Kg

           Loadster 150 Kg - (60 kg body and 5 Kg motor) = 85 Kg for the inverter-battery system


                                         E-Egg2025 for 2000 Euros ?






Why shall Politics not increase the street legal speed velocity for Pedelecs/Mo-Fa from 25 Km/h to the future common metropoles 30 Km/h max velocity/speed limit ?


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.e-bikeinfo.de/recht/gesetzliche-vorschriften-e-bikes-pedelecs (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.e-bikeinfo.de/recht/gesetzliche-vorschriften-e-bikes-pedelecs)


With support when pedaling up to a maximum of 25 km / h (plus tolerance) and a rated continuous output of the motor of 250 watts , pedelecs are considered bicycles .




S-Pedelec / E-Bike45              ancient          Mo-Ped


(= fast class up to 45km / h: two-wheeled moped EU category L1e-B, three-wheeled L2e or four-wheeled L6e)

Even if the fast S-Pedelecs do not have a high market share in this country, they are rightly enjoying increasing popularity. There are now a large number of models and engine variants. In Switzerland, for example, the proportion of S-Pedelecs is significantly higher than in Germany, primarily due to other laws.



Maximum supported speed: 45 km / h


NEW from 01.01.2017: According to the new EU type approval (EU regulation no. 168/2013), which applies from the beginning of 2017 and repeals the old regulation 2002/24 / EC, the vehicles can Class L1e-B, L2e and L6e provide up to  4 kW max.nominal  power or useful power



               the E-Egg2025 as  three-wheeled L2e ( by 500-1500 W motor) with pedals




Electric light moped / moped (formerly "e-bike" in the narrower sense)The market share of this class is negligible.Maximum speed 20 km / h with 500 watts maximum motor power.
No need to use your own muscle power.
Power control via e-throttle; the motor may have a maximum of 500 watts.
Minimum age 15 years, moped driving license and insurance license plate required.
There is no obligation to wear a helmet.
Use of cycle paths in urban areas only in exceptional cases in conjunction with the  “E-bike free” traffic sign , with which cycle paths for this same e-bike class (not S-Pedelecs) can be approved by the municipalities from 1.1.2017. E-bikes are generally allowed to ride on cycle paths outside of town.



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e-Egg for 2000 Euros,circa 100 Kg vehicle total weight


realization possibility by comparison


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/2020-new-model-e-trike-manila-for-sale-62221349480.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.4ff938acb2Sy61 (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/2020-new-model-e-trike-manila-for-sale-62221349480.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.4ff938acb2Sy61)

450 US$/95 Kg

https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/battery-operated-electric-cargo-tricycle-with-heavy-loading-500kg-van-tricycle-for-delivery-e-trikes-62149442633.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/battery-operated-electric-cargo-tricycle-with-heavy-loading-500kg-van-tricycle-for-delivery-e-trikes-62149442633.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt)

750 US$/370 Kg

https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/exuberant-e-trike-for-indian-people-with-great-performance-1600146132970.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/exuberant-e-trike-for-indian-people-with-great-performance-1600146132970.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt)

1750 US$/350 Kg


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/mobility-closed-m1-trike-m-1-e-car-electricscooters-new-electric-tricycle-1600118965036.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/mobility-closed-m1-trike-m-1-e-car-electricscooters-new-electric-tricycle-1600118965036.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt)

1450 US$/155 Kg


5-10 US$/Kg etrike means by 100 Kg weight E-Egg by chinese production condition a selling price between 500-1000 US$ each


as " 30 Km/h speed max" city-share-mobile ( max. 45 Km/h speed limit )or rent easy affordable
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 08, 2021, 10:46:43 AM
Arzen e-Egg weight list 1942 : 60 Kg body (included wheels)


                                         + 30 Kg (calculating 1942 e-motor performance with 3 KW )


2021                                      7,5 Kg permanent magnet e-motor  2021          +      ?


http://www.schillergy.com/pdf/schiller-energy.pdf (http://www.schillergy.com/pdf/schiller-energy.pdf) pm e-motor weight reference

+ 350 Kg lead battery with average 35 Wh/Kg = 12 250 Wh or 12,25 KWh total



    2021 battery weight decrease potential :                                     


 


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20021231&CC=US&NR=6501093B1&KC=B1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20021231&CC=US&NR=6501093B1&KC=B1)


and citing documents ((who is working in that level spectrum ?!)


                             the target for 1942 range :                    12 250 Wh or 12,25 KWh


                              A. Marks ENSOR battery : 15 KWh/Kg

                     from 350 Kg by scientifical theory down to 1 Kg for same power storage and drive range

                                                                                            12,5 Kg https://overunity.com/18215/innolith-battery-1000-whkg/ (https://overunity.com/18215/innolith-battery-1000-whkg/)

we can assume 1942 electric motor efficiency performance with < 50% average ( comparing with pure electromagnetic motor 2021 NORM !)


I take a conventional 2021 permanent magnet motor with average 85% efficiency,modify the winding with Imris capacitive windings :


50% Arzen e-motor / ( 85% PM motor x 2 Imris improvement factor) = 0,3 energy storage decrease factor for same 1942 range


                                                                                          12,5 Kg Innolith x 0,3 = 3,75 Kg or 3750 Wh


                                                                                            1,0 Kg ENSOR x 0,3  = 0,3 Kg  or  4500 Wh


Now to accomplish : e-motor AC Volta-age to battery DC or AC Volt-age output in-/con-verter weight ,for above 3 KW we can assume


by modified sine wave output :  3 KW/ 3 Kg inverter  ( 10 US$/Kg selling price alibaba e-store fob factory )


by pure sine wave output       :  3 KW/10 Kg inverter                "      "     "     "    "     "     "     "     "


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for electric motors modified inverter sufficient !


1942 total car weight


60 Kg car chassis/body + 7,0 Kg e-pm motor + 3 Kg  modified sine wave 12V/220 V inverter  + ? Kg battery


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instead Schiller -like pm motor


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20091130&CC=PT&NR=104078A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20091130&CC=PT&NR=104078A&KC=A)


nominal 5 KW for 5 Kg weight ,consume reducement factor : 0,1 ( cw/ccw capacity circuit)


with weight decrease the total vehicle drive performance changes (from 44 mph 1942 to 60 mph) but also the static on road


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZTxu4uj1bc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZTxu4uj1bc)  ( Adieu JPB : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO2xJxu_4tQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO2xJxu_4tQ) )


 probably the car need now ballast ! (water tank or sand/stone/cement storage )


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a simple e-vehicle EMD cycle



https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19881103&CC=DE&NR=3713965A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19881103&CC=DE&NR=3713965A1&KC=A1)


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20190328&CC=DE&NR=112017003611A5&KC=A5 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20190328&CC=DE&NR=112017003611A5&KC=A5)

The invention is designed in a technically simple device and consists of two batteries and a band capacitor and a transformer or an electromagnet in a circuit between two batteries and the band capacitor only shuttles the electrical energy back and forth according to the preamble of the main claim.

                                                              shuttle = displaces


the first battery is charged by the brake energy recuperation from the Rust motor-generator couple generator action and is amplifying the battery 1 load  by the capacitive winding transformer and charging the second battery which loads the Rust motor


circuit 2 :   


                 Gordon James motor-generator couple performance claim 100 in and 30 recapture by generator


                 Peter Rust                                                            claim  100 in and 50 recapture (" doubling the range " ) by generator



Rust motor from motor-generator couple with Imris capacitive winding  50 in and 50 recapture by generator


                                                                       "       "      "      "        50 in and 66,6 recapture by generator with Arestov double windings


                                                                                                       50 in and 88    recapture by generator with Arestov double windings
         
                                                                                                                                                               with D. Yurth coating






The Peter Rust motor with :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20130314&CC=US&NR=2013062983A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20130314&CC=US&NR=2013062983A1&KC=A1)


and Imris capacitive winding






with


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20200205&CC=MX&NR=2019010053A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20200205&CC=MX&NR=2019010053A&KC=A)


and Imris capacitive windings




The Peter Rust generator from the motor-generator couple with/as :


Tudor-Frunzi or Kango Iida or Kumar or Akio Hara concept ( these all + Arestov double windings)
and David Yurth generator winding coating :


                                                           50 to 100+ recuperation


                                                         "circuits in a circuit" system


the basic e-Egg with limited range 500 - 1000 US$ by chinese production costs


the         e-Egg with limitless range 1500 -2000 US$ by chinese production costs


2000 US$ / 1,15 =           


                                        < 2000 Euros the limitless range e-Egg,fob factory price




                                                                            q.e.d.




btw : https://patents.google.com/patent/US20090079393A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20090079393A1/en)


        alibaba commerce-platform :


        modified sine wave 12V /220 V inverter sufficient ? 3 KW nominal inverter price begins with 30 US$ each,new !


        pure       sine wave 12/220 V inverter need     ?      3 KW                                                   90 US$






        + charger !? http://www.bticcs.com/ (http://www.bticcs.com/)   were also sold by conradelectronics   https://www.conrad.de/de/c/ladegeraete-14719.html (https://www.conrad.de/de/c/ladegeraete-14719.html)


        Kit-+ software costs for DIY 2021 ? individual/bulk price !

And no worry,I read the Ozkan publication correctly : there 12 VDC/110 VAC

220 AC Volt in average - network losts = working 200 AC + and - Volt  - real negative power factor ( from source/back to source circuit) = 100 + Volts = 100 "historical " cells" called Daniell-Elements

the battery better cells-battery/-group  represents the nuclear,gas,coal,solar,wind,... power plant

inverter,charger = provider electronical distribtion network




modified Rust-verter + Ozkan battery-set + https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=15379 (https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=15379)


Ferreira cap-winding motor + Ozkan battery-set +   "    "    "    "   "


Ferreira cap-winding motor-generator couple + Ozkan battery-set


the variation potential is nearly limitless for limitless range mobility


and "open source" = NO MONOPOL-energy/electricity industry anymore


This drive system micronizing for smartbike

like https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor-Doping (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor-Doping)


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://ebike-news.de/ultraleichtes-e-bike-mit-97-kg-rennrad-vivax-veloce/1685/ (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://ebike-news.de/ultraleichtes-e-bike-mit-97-kg-rennrad-vivax-veloce/1685/)






850 Gr. weight for nominal 100 W continuous/ 200 W peak   ,depends clearly from rated RPM and Voltage  !


https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/bikes/electric-bikes/gruber-assist-kit-review/ (https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/bikes/electric-bikes/gruber-assist-kit-review/)  we read  at its maximum setting of 90rpm[/font][/size]



Schiller PAM motor :  rated  1   KW  3000 RPM for 12 Volt = 2 Kg


                               rated  0,1 KW  3000 RPM                = 0.2 Kg 


                               rated  0,1 KW and 3000 to 1. 1500 RPM  to 2. 750 RPM  to 3. 375 RPM  to 187,5 RPM 

                                                                      to 100 RPM

                               5 x weight doubling steps =     6,4 Kg              higher Voltage lesser weight

                                From mass production to each unit selling price 250 Euros


                               The Gruber micromotor kit price ( low production serie )  : 1800 Euros

                               Decreaseable by margin factor 6-8 to 1,5 = 1800/5 x0,5 mass production costs advantage

                               = 180 Euros per kit ( without battery)


                               Economical comparison :

                               The circa 50 Euros Li Yng 4x conventional 4 cheap toy-micromotor transmission

                                equates actually this weight decrease by power savings,1800 Euros misinvestment !

                             






https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/europe-warehouse-cheap-wholesale-adult-portable-foldable-folding-standing-two-wheel-battery-electrico-e-electric-scooters-62582820699.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.4ff938acHcsCTX&s=p (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/europe-warehouse-cheap-wholesale-adult-portable-foldable-folding-standing-two-wheel-battery-electrico-e-electric-scooters-62582820699.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.4ff938acHcsCTX&s=p)


or


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/freego-es-18-36v-motor-brushless-e-bike-loading-120kg-three-wheels-ce-approved-e-bike-trikes-1600095399728.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.4ff938acHcsCTX (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/freego-es-18-36v-motor-brushless-e-bike-loading-120kg-three-wheels-ce-approved-e-bike-trikes-1600095399728.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.4ff938acHcsCTX)


as citycart minimum  ;)   who needs enclosed spaces  ;D


  there is no such thing as bad weather, just wrong clothes
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 08, 2021, 06:13:04 PM
About etrikes battery life-time ,especially lithium-related :

https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-808-how-to-prolong-lithium-based-batteries (https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-808-how-to-prolong-lithium-based-batteries)

assumption 15 000 Km per year and 500 Wh/25 Kg with for example 100 US$/KWh LiFEPo battery


 with 3000 cycles as Ozkan-battery set source :


3000 x 0,8 net KWh = 2400 KWh/KWh battery


15 000 Km/25 Km = 600 x 0,5 KWh = 300 KWh per year consume and 2400 KWh/300 KWh = 8 years longitivity


with 250 US$/KWh Lithium Titan Oxid battery and 25 000 cycles = net up to 70 years longitivity


or etrike net e-motor power increase alternative or higher drive range per annum




Alu-graphene battery with 250 000 charge cycles : high motor power,high drive range per annum and longitivity = all in one






                                    storage costs without electricity calculation


LiFePo are with 30 US$cents per cycle several times over b2b electricity costs about 5,5 US$cents/KWh gridprice US


LithiumTitanOxid ( LTO) with 1 US$cent per cycle under b2b electricity costs,25 000/40 000 charge cycles


Kilowattlabs superbattery commercial actually with 0,1 US$cent/KWh the lowest electricity storage costs,1 000 000 charge cycles








                                                        2015 in the news ( for the beyond Lithium society )

New battery charges in under a minute and still performs perfectly after being recharged thousands of times


https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/super-fast-charging-aluminium-batteries-ready-to-take-on-lithium/8427.article (https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/super-fast-charging-aluminium-batteries-ready-to-take-on-lithium/8427.article)

This battery lost very little of its storage capacity after 7000 cycles, making it far superior even to lithium-ion batteries, which last for about 1000 cycles. Perhaps most remarkably, the battery can safely be completely recharged in less than 60 seconds.

                                                        2021 for comparison


https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/04/29/graphene-aluminum-ion-batteries-with-ultra-fast-charging/ (https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/04/29/graphene-aluminum-ion-batteries-with-ultra-fast-charging/)


https://www.azonano.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=5753 (https://www.azonano.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=5753)


GMG plans to bring a graphene aluminum-ion coin cell to market in late 2021 or early 2022.
 These can fully charge in under one minute


battery VAh /loader W  ratio  for this short time ?


we see some other battery improvements anode and cathode related :


https://www.nanograf.com/ (https://www.nanograf.com/)


https://biosolar.com/ (https://biosolar.com/)


https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=13385 (https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=13385) 20 US$/Kg 100 000 cc and 2 US$/Kg 10 000 cc

Price for 1 Kg aluminium and graphit/graphene/silicon battery ? With 10 000 - 250 000 charge cycles ?




https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.ewe-go.de/blog/magazin/schnellladesaeulen_ein_ueberblick/ (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.ewe-go.de/blog/magazin/schnellladesaeulen_ein_ueberblick/)



CCS (Combo 2) : This is the European standard. This type of plug usually enables a charging power of mostly 50 to 200 kW, and up to 300 kW on turbo fast charging stations


CHAdeMO : This type of plug can be found on many Asian electric vehicles.
 CHAdeMO offers up to 100 kW charging power.



https://www.log9materials.com/ (https://www.log9materials.com/)


2000 Wh battery with 8000 W load in 15 minutes full 

                                4000 W load in 30 minutes

                                1500 W load in 80 minutes conventional power socket


             
                                            for commercial delivery and mobile-share  entities :


the 8000 W fast load ( from 1500 W socket ) can be realized based by Dr.Imris his electric transformer, nominal 8 KW for 1500 Euros


the 4000 W fast load  (from 1500 W socket ) can be realized          by Tanaka Saburo his transformer set ,nominal 5 KW for 500 Euros
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 09, 2021, 04:43:37 PM
" .... LiFePo are with 30 US$cents per cycle several times over b2b electricity costs about 5,5 US$cents/KWh gridprice US ... "


This 30US$cent/charge cycle gives us one alibaba-seller as information,not by me calculated !


In a LIFePo/Lead costs per cycle comparison !


Misterious : for its 90 US$/KWh capacity and given 3000 charge cycles claiming !

                           9000 US$cents / 3000 charge cycles = 3 US$cents per charge cycle !


                           Calculation error ?


                           Under ? % DOD condition,US$/KWh storage cycle ?

                   
                           " Long Life Cycle" under DOD %
                            https://sc04.alicdn.com/kf/H02430787f3de4dd5918e57fe8b850d601/252429187/H02430787f3de4dd5918e57fe8b850d601.jpg (https://sc04.alicdn.com/kf/H02430787f3de4dd5918e57fe8b850d601/252429187/H02430787f3de4dd5918e57fe8b850d601.jpg)

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Lithium-Battery-Deep-Cycle-3000-Lfp_1600325477370.html?spm=a2700.7735675.normal_offer.d_title.674720f8TasyxB&s=p (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Lithium-Battery-Deep-Cycle-3000-Lfp_1600325477370.html?spm=a2700.7735675.normal_offer.d_title.674720f8TasyxB&s=p)

250 US$/KWh Lithium Titan Oxid and 25 000 charge cycles : US$/charge cycle ? US$/KWh storage cycle ? ? % DOD charge cycle ?

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Lithium-Titanate-Lto-Battery-Lto-Lto_62266056381.html?spm=a2700.7735675.normal_offer.d_title.1c4620f8byl6Il&s=p (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Lithium-Titanate-Lto-Battery-Lto-Lto_62266056381.html?spm=a2700.7735675.normal_offer.d_title.1c4620f8byl6Il&s=p)

for the same battery given charge cycles  ::)

1.  Cycle life:  3,000 times


2.    Long Circle Life :
80% capacity after 25,000 times life for 100% DOD charging/discharging.  First 10 years used on electrical vehicles and also another 20 years on energy storage system products.

250 US$/KWh capacity / 3000 cc    or    / 25 000 cc ?  8,33 cents per KWh or 1 cent per KWh ?! Storage costs !

The industry does not offer compareable and detailed numbers !
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 09, 2021, 06:08:43 PM

2000 Wh battery in 15 minutes fast charging

https://www.log9materials.com/ (https://www.log9materials.com/)




to 1 minute super-fast charging

https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/super-fast-charging-aluminium-batteries-ready-to-take-on-lithium/8427.article (https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/super-fast-charging-aluminium-batteries-ready-to-take-on-lithium/8427.article)


https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/04/29/graphene-aluminum-ion-batteries-with-ultra-fast-charging/ (https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/04/29/graphene-aluminum-ion-batteries-with-ultra-fast-charging/)




to load-/battery exchange center concept :


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.24auto.de/news/neuheiten/acm-city-one-elektro-wechsel-akkus-adaptive-city-mobility-muenchen-preis-reichweite-90900048.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.24auto.de/news/neuheiten/acm-city-one-elektro-wechsel-akkus-adaptive-city-mobility-muenchen-preis-reichweite-90900048.html)

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.eon.de/de/pk/e-mobility/ladestation-elektroauto.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.eon.de/de/pk/e-mobility/ladestation-elektroauto.html)




and the question : useable as super-fast charging generator/s


https://patents.google.com/patent/US8847720B2/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US8847720B2/en)



Generator Rating Per Hour and Observations
The cyclic output per second is multiplied by 3600 to indicate the generator's hourly rating.
 Thus, at 400 Hz=60.7 Kva/h;
at 800 Hz=121.4 Kva/h;
at 3 KHz=460.8 Kva/h;
at 6 KHz=921.6 Kva/h;
at 60 KHz=9.26 Mw/h;
at 600 KLHz=92.166 Kw/h;
at 780 KHz=119.7 Mw/h.
A large home typically requires 15-20 Kva AC; an electric automobile 20-30 Kva DC.




and/or


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19881020&CC=WO&NR=8808220A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19881020&CC=WO&NR=8808220A1&KC=A1)
From the above example it is evident that, with a coil 82 having 5000 ampere windings, a flux variation of 5000000 ampere windings can be generated with the superconducting coil 84.
Accordingly, a generated power of 990 kW can be drawn from the terminals 89 for a power supplied to the connecting terminals 88 of 1 .
 1 kW, and this corresponds to a power gain of approximately a factor of 1000.


Private household load stations are in the up to 22 KW range,public station in Europe up to 300 KW



The two above shown publications are with beyond the public 300 KW potential !


In future private household electricity tanking/depositing like actually butan-/propangas bottles exchange by battery change (empty  bringing and full taking ) or own battery super-fast in average "less 1 minute" load/charge !
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 09, 2021, 10:28:03 PM
step by step to the MADE MAX car/e-mobile :


http://www.evalbum.com/314 (http://www.evalbum.com/314)


12 V x 70 Ah battery = 840 VAh for 49 Km range                     840 VAh / (40 VAh/Kg) = > 20 Kg battery-weight


                               = 840 VAh / 49 Km


                               = 1715 VAh for 100 Km range


rated ! nominal battery capacity/power storage !


https://simpliphipower.com/company/news/blog/know-your-battery-specs-nameplate-capacity-10-kwh-vs-usable-capacity-7-kwh/ (https://simpliphipower.com/company/news/blog/know-your-battery-specs-nameplate-capacity-10-kwh-vs-usable-capacity-7-kwh/)


https://simpliphipower.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/comparison-depth-of-discharge-between-lead-acid-and-lithium-battries-simpliphi-power-1920-351.png (https://simpliphipower.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/comparison-depth-of-discharge-between-lead-acid-and-lithium-battries-simpliphi-power-1920-351.png)


                                                                      LEAD ACID BATTERY


1715 VAh x 0,4 (for 40% DOD ) =686 VAh real available  1715 VAh x 0,35 (for 35% DOD) = 600 VAh available





in Lavenami used 1,5 KW 12 V DC motor conversion efficiency ? Compared 2021 average/best performance  ?


600 Watt-hour consume for 100 Km and 150 Watt per hour by 25 Km/h,net(to) !?





1500 Watt 12V DC 1.change  to 1500 Watt 220V AC !   2nd change : 1500 W 220 AC with capacitive winding !


300 Wh                         for 100 Km  and  75 Watt per hour by 25 Km/h


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
from simple to all-in-one-experimental concept


Ferreira capacitive winding motor ,by belt RPM step down


60 Wh                         for 100 Km   and 15 Watt per hour by 25 Km/h


And the Kosovo Uni Prof. Todorovic his recuperation generator ?


        consume by            steady                                            30 Km/h
     
                                                                                           35 Km/h


                                                                                           40 Km/h  ( Lavenami speed max )


                                                                                           70 Km/h   GarWood supercar and Arzen speed max

 


from 20 Kg+ Lead Acid battery weight to 7,5 Kg LTO or LiFePo ( a min. 150 Wh/Kg) and max 5 Kg modified or pure sine wave inverter

 


                                                                  "15 Watt per hour by 25 Km/h "


can also a simple Koehler artificial light conversion tube 70 Watt(5,25% eff),140 W(10% eff),200 W(15 % eff) per hour
                                                                 and the battery recharging
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 10, 2021, 11:21:03 AM
#44 : Arzen its e-Egg nominal 12,25 KWh lead battery capacity by weight ( 350 Kg given weight x assumpted 35 Wh/Kg)


                                         x


https://simpliphipower.com/company/news/blog/know-your-battery-specs-nameplate-capacity-10-kwh-vs-usable-capacity-7-kwh/ (https://simpliphipower.com/company/news/blog/know-your-battery-specs-nameplate-capacity-10-kwh-vs-usable-capacity-7-kwh/)


https://simpliphipower.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/comparison-depth-of-discharge-between-lead-acid-and-lithium-battries-simpliphi-power-1920-351.png (https://simpliphipower.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/comparison-depth-of-discharge-between-lead-acid-and-lithium-battries-simpliphi-power-1920-351.png)


                                        = 12,25 KWh x 0,35 / 0,8 = 5,36 KWh available/need of electric energy/power


                                       Lead-to-Lithium comparison (beyond Lithium : Natrium and/or Alu-Graphene and ...)


                                                                                      x


1942 pure electro-magnetic electric motor with average <50% average energy conversion efficiency to 2021 average 90% pm electric motor

                                             

                                       = +- 3 KWh electric consume for circa 100 Km drive

                                 Gar/field Woods supercar performance ? with lead-to-Lithium ?

                          https://www.autoweek.com/car-life/a31095213/gar-woods-many-talents/ (https://www.autoweek.com/car-life/a31095213/gar-woods-many-talents/)

                           like Arzen the car performance : but 3,6 KWh by higher car body weight

                          Woods chassis remebers dune "buggy"-chassis https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW-Buggy


Now compareable with #43 2021 known or in sell ( compareable by weight and range )concepts their consume per 100 Km/25 Km per hour


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5)   nominal 250 W motor ,45 Kg   max 24 Km/h


https://citkar.com/de/ (https://citkar.com/de/) Loadster                 nominal 250 W motor,150 Kg   max 25 Km/h


https://www.cityq.biz/ (https://www.cityq.biz/)                              nominal 250 W motor,60 Kg     max 25 Km/h ,limited


Not to forget the e-Egg total weight reducement and energetic consume decrease and speed potential increase effect !



                                                       +- 3 KWh electric consume

                                                  battery capacity by power/weight ratio :
                                                        conventional,in research

            / 150 Wh/Kg                      / 250 Wh/Kg               / 500 Wh/Kg            / 1000 Wh/Kg           / 15 000 Wh/Kg




                                          -  brake energy recuperation and/ or on-board generator


                                          -  electric-motor improvement




                 10 X e-Eggs a 100 Kg (or less ),two-seater = 1 X 1 ton heavy electric car

                   1000 - 2000 US$                                                    25 000 US$



...

                          3 KWh per 100 Km /2 electric motor improvement  divided speed/velocity=time :


                                                      / 4 magnetic diode + cap-winding motor


                                                      / 10 pure capacitive winding cycle motor




                                                        Nano-Boxx 0,1 - 1 KW (per hour) unit potential !
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 10, 2021, 12:40:32 PM
https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/12v-12000-rpm-motor.html (https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/12v-12000-rpm-motor.html)


-2 US$ each ,fob factory, for assembly  :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19951107&CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19951107&CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A)


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citedDocuments?CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19951107&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citedDocuments?CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19951107&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)


we read : Garfield Wood  ;)


Lavenami with 2x 4 motors transmission couple = ENOUGH ,included hills up and hills down


http://www.evalbum.com/314 (http://www.evalbum.com/314)


to http://www.evalbum.com/motor (http://www.evalbum.com/motor)


 Gas engines are rated at their peak hp, electric motors are rated at their continuous hp.


The peak hp of an electric motor is usually 8to 10 times its continuous rating.




and calculate with nominal and maximal power output , electrical and/or kinetical


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_K%C3%A4fer (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_K%C3%A4fer)
f.e. 19 KW IC-engine  Zuendapp-Volkswagen   /8 to 10        to electric motor KW = 2,0-2,5 KW nominal


Kraft durch Freude Der KdF-Wagen  less than 19 KW,      only ICE 18 kW !  / 8-10 =   nominal 2 KW electric motor

VW 30 (Porsche Typ 60 1936/37)                                   only ICE 16 KW !  / 8-10 =  nominal 1,6-2,0 KW electric



                                                    the nominal electric motors number now trans- and understand-able ,is it not ?

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001207&CC=DE&NR=10011074A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001207&CC=DE&NR=10011074A1&KC=A1)


                                                      1,5 KW AC

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001020&CC=FR&NR=2792258A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001020&CC=FR&NR=2792258A1&KC=A1)

                                                      2 KW, 4x 500 W





                                                     EVOLUTION by numbers RE-ENGINEERING




p.s. : https://documento.mx/preview/nikola-tesla-electric-car-part-1-5c117d5b7957e (https://documento.mx/preview/nikola-tesla-electric-car-part-1-5c117d5b7957e)


                                    page 7


Please note that none of the manufacturers of electric cars ever installed a D.C. generator. This would have put a small charge back into the batteries as the car moved about and would have thereby increased its operating range. This was considered by some to be approaching perpetual motion - and that, of course, was utterly impossible! Actually, D.C. generators would have worked and helped the electric car cause.


the light machine in cars  is a generator,is it not ? DC or AC ? since when installed,part from cars equipment !?








Volksroller or https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespa (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespa)
                   
                                 Internal Combustion Engine peak hp to nominal electric motor W


3,2 ICE hp to 2,4 ICE KW to /(8 to 10 = average 9) = nominal/rated  0,27 KW electric motor


5    ICE  hp the VESPA 125 version                          = nominal/rated  0,5   KW  electric


                                                                               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioWv_sePLU0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioWv_sePLU0)  nominal 350 Watt e-bike/Mo-Fa

                                                                               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf31fQJVWOU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf31fQJVWOU)   ic to nominal 750 W e-bike

                                                                               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwX1vGQIwqk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwX1vGQIwqk) over-powered ? or TOP GUN  8)


                                                                               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1SWRb_7f48 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1SWRb_7f48) OMG, 2000 W nominal  :o




https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Kabinenroller (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Kabinenroller)


                  ICE 2,5 hp/PS to 1,88 ICE KW to /8-10 = 200 -250 W nominal electric motor ( C5 Sinclair level )

This was followed by the installation of a Riedel engine from the Imme motorcycle with 98 cm³ and 4.5 hp, which helped the vehicle, which was built in 154 units by December 1951, to a top of 75 km / h.


                  ICE 4,5 hp/PS to 3,35 ICE KW to /8-10 =  nominal/rated  400 Watt electric motor

                                                                       13 ICE hp translated :


  NOMINAL 1500 W ELECTRIC MOTOR PERFORMANCE LEVEL : World records with the Messerschmitt KR 200 "Super"

                               so that in second gear about 80, in third 100 and in fourth over 120 km / h were reached.


                                                    The top speed is said to have been 130–140 km / h.
                                                   
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5)


Enthusiasts have established owners' clubs and some have modified their vehicles substantially, adding bigger wheels, jet engines, and high-powered electric motors to propel their C5s at speeds of up to 150 miles per hour (240 km/h). 8)



( by weight and speed max we can compare and state the Lavenami 1,5 KW electric motor as over-powered )


 not to forget : to get for conversed vehicles street use legality ! Approvement !


In some countries (professional car industry protection !) " (general) operating licence/operation permit "-process X times more expensive than the conversion parts /total vehicle value !







now :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19951107&CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19951107&CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A)


An equation for calculating the torque of a general motor is shown as below:


 ##EQU1## Wherein T stands for torque,HP stands for horse power,N stands for rev./min.


In general, for conventional motors of 1 HP and 3 HP, the power consumptions are 746 W/H and 2238 W/H.


 These motors can be operated at high speed with low output torque or operated at low speed with larger torque, no matter how it operates, the power consumptions thereof are respectively 746 W/H and 2238 W/H.


In comparison, when a DC 12 V mini motor with full load capacity 25 g, 560 mA, running at 13340 rev./min is used, a plurality of such motors can be assembled and operated in association with a suitable number of down-speed gear sets so as to obtain proper operation speed.


The power consumptions thereof in the same conditions as above, are compared with the conventional motors to conclude that at most only one eleventh of the power consumed in above cited motors is required.




                                  R- EVOLUTION by numbers RE-ENGINEERING




p.s.:                                                    a car for the youth ?


 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/autokatalog/marken-modelle/vw/vw-id-2/ (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/autokatalog/marken-modelle/vw/vw-id-2/)


         The study’s electric motor has an output of 172 kW / 234 hp and accelerates from 0 to 100 km / h in 6.9 seconds , with a top speed of 180 km / h.

             172 electric KW to x 8 to ten times factor for internal combustion engine KWs = average 1500 ICE KW or 2000 hp/PS


                                      Contemporary ? ZEIT(GEIST)GEMAESS ? Intelligent or FOUL ?

                      https://at.wikiqube.net/wiki/Iso_(automobile (https://at.wikiqube.net/wiki/Iso_(automobile)) Iso Isetta bubble-car https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Isetta (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Isetta)

                              10 hp (7 KW)  BMW : 12-13 hp ( 8,8-9,6 KW) combustion engine peak power


                                                  equates       +- nominal  1,5 KW electric motor KW


                                                                 but: as remake

                                                     https://microlino-car.com/de/microlino (https://microlino-car.com/de/microlino)
                                                        11 KW e-motor , peak 90 Km/h

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nao3Pc85n-A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nao3Pc85n-A)                                     https://www.opel.de/fahrzeuge/rocks-e/uebersicht.html (https://www.opel.de/fahrzeuge/rocks-e/uebersicht.html)
     nominal 6 KW                                                                                                       nominal  6 KW e-drive

                    VW ID.LIFEbystupids Electric motor, 172 kW / 234 PS, 290 Nm torque
 
                    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_K%C3%A4fer (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_K%C3%A4fer) ic-engine x 100 times = 1600 hp to 1900 hp ICE peak power

                                                 Engineering error ! IDIOTIE MIT FREUDE der KdF-Werkler !

                   social and economical mis(s)-management : 1 X VW ID = 10 X well organized e-cars by material and power saving

                      Which parents will pay for their child/s eqi1000 PS+ -Boliden ? Volks-Diabolos !
                      Die deren Kind/-er hassen,womoeglich - und - schnell loswerden wollen !? ::)


                      VW ID.Life : der e-Zyklon unter all den Zyklonen (A,B,C,......) Fahr Heil !
                                              From point A to point B :

                                                     Two EXTREMES :

Eco-Marathon Duke University nominal               75 Watt      electric motor vehicle

VW ID.LIFE                                   nominal      172 000 Watt     electric motor vehicle




                                                                             
                                                      Clube of Rome :                 Die Grenzen des Wachstums

                                                                     Praeambel der physischen  Oekonomie :                         
                                   Den geringstnoetigen Aufwand zu/bei  hoechstmoeglichen Ertrag

                                                                        In Zeit,in Masse(Volumen)

                                         Es ward einst ein Volk der (Ver-)Dichter und ( Voraus)Denker

                                         Tesla ( Motor/AC Propulsion ) Inc. with same bad performance as VW !
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 10, 2021, 10:22:39 PM
Duke University          75 Watt electric motor vehicle


VW ID               172 000 Watt electric motor vehicle




(75 W x 10) + (172 000 W / 10) = 750 W + 17 200 W = 17 950 W /2 =


                                           nominal 9000 W physical AVERAGE ,9 KW


Like Tesla Motors began ,based by existent technologies and models (Lotus Engineering )


we take an "open source" = free available technology platform : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loremo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loremo)


                                                                                             https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loremo (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loremo)
                                                                                                     6 kWh (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wattstunde) Strom je 100 km


https://www.sueddeutsche.de/auto/oeko-mobile-3-loremo-ls-der-neue-leicht-sinn-1.545433#:~:text=Eine%20kleine%20M%C3%BCnchner%20Autoschmiede%20zeigt,schnittig%2C%20schnell%20und%20%C3%A4u%C3%9Ferst%20sparsam (https://www.sueddeutsche.de/auto/oeko-mobile-3-loremo-ls-der-neue-leicht-sinn-1.545433#:~:text=Eine%20kleine%20M%C3%BCnchner%20Autoschmiede%20zeigt,schnittig%2C%20schnell%20und%20%C3%A4u%C3%9Ferst%20sparsam).


Eine kleine Münchner Autoschmiede zeigt, dass es auch anders geht: Loremo LS ist ein 1,5-Liter-Fahrzeug, das nicht nur richtig klasse aussieht, sondern mit nur 20 PS sportlich-dynamischen Fahrspaß verspricht.


A small Munich car manufacturer shows that there is another way: Loremo LS is a 1.5-liter vehicle that not only looks great, but also promises sporty, dynamic driving fun with just 20 hp.




                                Internal Combustion Engine horse-power peak ! 15 ICE KW peak !


                                     Electric Motor a. DC ? b. AC,Hz ?   nominal/rated ? KW


           Eberhard https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_Propulsion (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_Propulsion) and Eberhard Tesla Motor  and later the Elon Musk participation


In Malaysia ( Muslime estate) the nominal 9 KW e-drive Loremo with unlimited range technology for end consumer 5000 Euros price,net, industrial,mass production,realizeable !


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://whokilledthe3litercar.de/loremo.htm (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://whokilledthe3litercar.de/loremo.htm)


Sämtliche Patente wurden von Loremo schlicht fallen gelassen, so dass sämtliches Wissen und sämtliche Entwicklungswerte in meiner Person vereint sind und der Aurilion Design GmbH zur Verfügung stehen.


All patents were simply dropped by Loremo, so that all knowledge and all development values ​​are united in my person and are available to Aurilion Design GmbH.


But the in the patent publications claims free , restriction-free use and fee-free, DE-national and international ,WO/EP and .....  !


https://whokilledthe3litercar-de.translate.goog/eauto.htm?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=ajax,se,elem&_x_tr_sch=http (https://whokilledthe3litercar-de.translate.goog/eauto.htm?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=ajax,se,elem&_x_tr_sch=http)


Under what circumstances can electrically powered mobiles have environmentally beneficial effects?The answer is very simple: when they are appropriately small, light, aerodynamic and economical. In particular, the battery should be as small and light as possible and the motor should also not be too powerful (and therefore heavy and contain copper).

These criteria apply primarily to e-bikes, but in a similar way also to e-scooters and small electric motorcycles. They also apply to ultra-light electric cars, such as the unfortunately "extinct" City-El from Citycom.
In the case of such small vehicles, there is also the "beneficial" fact that correspondingly small internal combustion engines are significantly less efficient than internal combustion engines with larger cylinder volumes.


The most harmful effect of electric cars comes from pure information!

The most damaging impact electric cars currently have has nothing to do with the direct environmental impact of these vehicles. And it probably also explains the high status that electric cars are currently playing in the public debate.
Together with hydrogen cars and other nonsensical concepts, they dominate the public discussion in such a way that all other significant questions regarding more sustainable mobility are almost completely ignored.
When was the last time you heard of the call for SUVs and minivans to finally end up in the trash can? Except on this page, have you ever read about the fact that 3-liter cars are being withdrawn from the market for no reason at all, have you heard that anyone publicly cried for these really more sustainable cars?
Can you see it! Instead, for decades we have only been talking about a supposedly sustainable type of vehicle, which, because of its high production costs, can only be raised to market shares between one per thousand and one percent with massive funding. On the other hand, assuming a positive mention in the press, 3-liter cars would have the chance to easily make up 30% of the total vehicle fleet.


The effects on the reduction of fossil fuel consumption and CO2 production would be considerably more serious than in the case of the promised 1 million mark for electric cars in 2020, even if they have no other environmental impact and if they do not cause any CO2 elsewhere would.

This argument doesn't actually speak against electric cars. But it speaks against these being elevated to the SOLE remedy for our ecological problems. And it speaks against the fact that large electric cars like those from Tesla and the other automakers are still rated positively at all!



                                                                                    an opinion !
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 11, 2021, 02:53:50 PM
 http://web.archive.org/web/20051216094710/www.loremo.com/daten.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20051216094710/www.loremo.com/daten.htm)


https://www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/sparwunder-loremo-leicht-und-luftig-a-505705.html (https://www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/sparwunder-loremo-leicht-und-luftig-a-505705.html)


Mass production number at first :  Jährlich seien zunächst einmal 10.000 Autos denkbar.
                                                            Initially 10,000 cars a year are conceivable.

GM,Toyota,VW,Stellantis selling units per annum : each in the 5 000 000 +

                                                         20 000 000+ the TOP4 / 10 000 units  ::)   


  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loremo (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loremo)
                       6 kWh (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wattstunde) Strom je 100 km


                     included brake energy recuperation ? e-Loremo weight ! 600 Kg ?


Reva NXG concept car weight https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahindra_Electric (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahindra_Electric)


37 KW rated AC motor:   12 KWh/100 Km electric consume - 3 KWh/100 Km brake energy recuperation = net 9 KWh/100 Km consume


                                                                            Reva NXG weight ! 825 Kg !


                                                       
                                                                           compared :


Arzen e-Egg performance : 12,25 KWh lead-acid battery x 0,35  DOD = 4,3 KWh x 0,5 electric motor 1942 efficiency = 2,15 KWh/100 Km


                                                                                   /0,8 DOD Lithium          /0,9 pm motor 2021                      = 3 KWh /100 Km


                                                          3 KWh /100 Km consume less brake energy recuperation ?


                                                          2,5 KWh/ 100 Km (less battery weight effect) less brake energy recuperation ?


      The Citikar Loadster performance : 3 KWh /100 Km  ,included brake energy recuperation ?




The Reva NXG http://www.tomw.net.au/technology/transport/reva.shtml (http://www.tomw.net.au/technology/transport/reva.shtml)  3 KWh/100 Km brake energy  :  related 825 Kg x speed


 Arzen E-Egg brake energy recuperation performance with 450 Kg ,with 100 Kg ,weight x speed per 100 Km ?




Loremo,Reva,Raser Technology and other trials


  like  https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Kabinenroller (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Kabinenroller) and
   2009 -2012 trial  https://web.archive.org/web/20120213034223/http://www.vehiconomics.com/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20120213034223/http://www.vehiconomics.com/)
 
( new temptation 2021 :


   https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.electrive.net/2021/04/21/neuauflage-messerschmitt-kabinenrollers-mit-e-antrieb/ (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.electrive.net/2021/04/21/neuauflage-messerschmitt-kabinenrollers-mit-e-antrieb/) 


                                 the technical numbers ! weight,speed max ,KW e-drive and Voltage ?


                                The 1.4 kWh battery should allow a maximum range of at least 80 kilometers !

                                                                  consume per 100 Km !
 5 Kilowatt starker QS-Permanentmagnet DC-Motor zum Einsatz, der die Bremsenergie des Fahrzeuges in Energie umwandelt, die in die Batterien fließt.


A 5 kilowatt QS permanent magnet DC motor is used, which converts the vehicle's braking energy into energy that flows into the batteries.

                                                       this QS DC 5 KW unit fob factory for +- 300 Euros available !                                                                          









https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/elektroauto/messerschmitt-kr-e-5000-elektrischer-kabinenroller/ (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/elektroauto/messerschmitt-kr-e-5000-elektrischer-kabinenroller/)    )
 


 can be called financial flops , many other trials in the peswiki-page also,


but  the Suez-/Panama-/Euro-channel/passage investments has been also  catastrophal finance mega-flops for the (first)  investors !




Reva Gross-Serie/Massproduction number for the first year plan : 30 000 units ! India population ? Export ?


Tata Nano ? A <2000 US$ car ! https://www.businesstoday.in/magazine/focus/story/nanos-real-test-begins-17095-2010-06-08 (https://www.businesstoday.in/magazine/focus/story/nanos-real-test-begins-17095-2010-06-08)

The company had hoped to sell 100,000 cars made at its Pantnagar plant by the time production began at Sanand,




The tear up in the media ! Reva more a Wi(t)z = joke,similar C5 Sinclair vehicle !




It will be a "learning curve"-effect to realize as 1.step an 2500 Wh to 1250 Wh per 100 Km consume


                                                                 ( 2.step : to 625 Wh per 100 Km )


                                                                 3rd.step : 250 Wh per 100 Km Ferreira capacitive winding motor


                                                                              E-Egg and


recuperate this 1.step 625 Wh consume per hour ( average 50 Km/h) with 1x simple Generator/Li Yng transmission couple ,


                                                                     or 2 Li Yng Mo-Gen sets,(or 3x) !


                                               It is more an ECO-Marathon project and not a TOP4 attack !

                                               Own mass production target : probably in the 100 units per year !
                       

                                              "My ArK" passenger number is not 8 billions,more  1,5 and less billions to millions !
 
                                               Over the time,no stress ! No hurry !








Instead aluminium body "oceanic plastics recycle" and bubble-similar 3dformer there are some on my list like

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=herbak+zsolt&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=herbak+zsolt&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)




QS electric drive


https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001631161708.html?src=google&src=google&albch=shopping&acnt=494-037-6276&slnk=&plac=&mtctp=&albbt=Google_7_shopping&albagn=888888&isSmbAutoCall=false&needSmbHouyi=false&albcp=12838082327&albag=121613758699&trgt=449349191507&crea=pt1005001631161708&netw=u&device=c&albpg=449349191507&albpd=pt1005001631161708&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgKKXk-T38gIVDZftCh16aAerEAQYAyABEgIhYfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&aff_fcid=c91ad9f289ba4bdd9bb46ee2f28a41fc-1631393017843-04103-UneMJZVf&aff_fsk=UneMJZVf&aff_platform=aaf&sk=UneMJZVf&aff_trace_key=c91ad9f289ba4bdd9bb46ee2f28a41fc-1631393017843-04103-UneMJZVf&terminal_id=54bb520878fc43c48090b6cc0e55a14f (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001631161708.html?src=google&src=google&albch=shopping&acnt=494-037-6276&slnk=&plac=&mtctp=&albbt=Google_7_shopping&albagn=888888&isSmbAutoCall=false&needSmbHouyi=false&albcp=12838082327&albag=121613758699&trgt=449349191507&crea=pt1005001631161708&netw=u&device=c&albpg=449349191507&albpd=pt1005001631161708&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgKKXk-T38gIVDZftCh16aAerEAQYAyABEgIhYfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&aff_fcid=c91ad9f289ba4bdd9bb46ee2f28a41fc-1631393017843-04103-UneMJZVf&aff_fsk=UneMJZVf&aff_platform=aaf&sk=UneMJZVf&aff_trace_key=c91ad9f289ba4bdd9bb46ee2f28a41fc-1631393017843-04103-UneMJZVf&terminal_id=54bb520878fc43c48090b6cc0e55a14f)
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 11, 2021, 11:25:00 PM
Danke, Neo-Messerschmitt-team fuer die  " The 1.4 kWh battery should allow a maximum range of at least 80 kilometers ! " performance .


1400 Wh / 0,7 brake energy recuperation = 2000 Wh for 80 Km and /0,8 = 2500 Wh consume per 100 Km


                                        Garfield Wood supercar and Arzen e-Egg equivalence !


                       End 80´"green movement" Twingo to 3 Lt./100 Km consume tuning !


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twingo_Smile%23:~:text%3DDer%2520Twingo%2520SmILE%2520ist%2520ein,Intelligent (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twingo_Smile%23:~:text%3DDer%2520Twingo%2520SmILE%2520ist%2520ein,Intelligent).

Greenpeace concluded from the study that with the concept used,
 it was relatively easy to achieve a reduction in fuel consumption of 50% for all series-produced vehicles at the time.


Before :                           https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_VESTA_2 (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_VESTA_2)



At first :                   2500 Wh with conventional EMF cw or ccw becomes in a capacitive circuit/cycle

                                                         by BEMF-ccw and EMF-cw cycle (or reziproke)

                                  " 250 Wh " x 400 Gr.CO2/KWh german Electricity-sources-mix

                                                        = 100 Gr. CO2 per 100 Km emission



                                                                1 Gr. CO2 per kilometre

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.euractiv.de/section/energie-und-umwelt/interview/experte-co2-preis-in-der-eu-duerfte-sich-bis-2030-auf-90-euro-erhoehen/ (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.euractiv.de/section/energie-und-umwelt/interview/experte-co2-preis-in-der-eu-duerfte-sich-bis-2030-auf-90-euro-erhoehen/)

                                       90 Euros per ton CO2 emission = per 1 000 Kg CO2 emission or per 1 000 000 Gr. CO2 emission

90 Euros = 9000 Euro-Cents / 1 000 000 Gr. = 0,009 Cent per Km CO2 tributation/certificate costs or :

                                                                   1 cent per 111 Km range

                                                                                    ;D  furchtbar ! furious !




https://www.vda.de/de/themen/umwelt-und-klima/co2-regulierung-bei-pkw-und-leichten-nfz/co2-regulierung-bei-pkw-und-leichten-nutzfahrzeugen.html (https://www.vda.de/de/themen/umwelt-und-klima/co2-regulierung-bei-pkw-und-leichten-nfz/co2-regulierung-bei-pkw-und-leichten-nutzfahrzeugen.html)


Regulation by 2020
From 2021, new cars in the EU will only be allowed to emit an average of 95 grams of CO2, vans 147 grams.
The permitted CO2 emissions for both passenger cars and light commercial vehicles are regulated by the EU.


This means: The average emissions of a manufacturer's newly registered vehicles must not exceed a legally fixed limit value in grams of CO2 per kilometer driven.


After initially setting a target of 130 grams of CO2 for cars in 2015, the target value for 2021 was tightened to 95 grams.
Similarly, the average emissions of light commercial vehicles (vans up to 3.5 tons) must not exceed 175 grams in 2014 and 147 grams from 2020.






https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_VESTA_2 (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_VESTA_2) ICE 20 kW (27 ch = hp) peak (same Loremo engine numbers !) to rated/nominal electric motor KW


                                                                                to RENAULT VESTA 3 ECO-ELECTRIC ,


                                                     consume target : < 1 KWh electricity per 100 Km less brake energy recuperation


                                 It is all existent, experimented and analyzed,anymore the need for re-/search :
                   
                                 existent modells/prototypes replication by improved 2021 technical standart

Beside capacitive winding motor , the known Haeusler Zsolt and Michel Porquer papers !

What I term as MAD/e MAX car is as Vision also known as "Hypercar",by Amory Lovins,Rocky Mountains Institute








From concepts like https://www.makethefuture.shell/en-gb/shell-eco-marathon (https://www.makethefuture.shell/en-gb/shell-eco-marathon)      to          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmfcNBkx_1I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmfcNBkx_1I) Ford Probe V


to https://autotrends.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/lovins-hypercar-concept.jpg (https://autotrends.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/lovins-hypercar-concept.jpg)    to        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLASs0ueF7I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLASs0ueF7I)


                                                                                                                                       https://web.archive.org/web/20160711005606/http://www.rqriley.com/xr3.htm (https://web.archive.org/web/20160711005606/http://www.rqriley.com/xr3.htm)

                                                                                                                                       https://www.designboom.com/cars/xr3-plug-in-hybrid/ (https://www.designboom.com/cars/xr3-plug-in-hybrid/)


                                 and        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhCLloR6fPA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhCLloR6fPA)


      peak  I(nternal) C(ombustion) E(ngine with/-out Turbo-compressor) KW to correct = rated/nominal continous electric motor KW conversion
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 12, 2021, 11:42:36 AM
Now to ULTIMA RATIO :


e-Egg for 2000 Euros,circa 100 Kg vehicle total weight realization possibility by comparison


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/2020-new-model-e-trike-manila-for-sale-62221349480.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.4ff938acb2Sy61 (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/2020-new-model-e-trike-manila-for-sale-62221349480.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.4ff938acb2Sy61)450 US$/95 Kg


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/battery-operated-electric-cargo-tricycle-with-heavy-loading-500kg-van-tricycle-for-delivery-e-trikes-62149442633.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/battery-operated-electric-cargo-tricycle-with-heavy-loading-500kg-van-tricycle-for-delivery-e-trikes-62149442633.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt)750 US$/370 Kg


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/exuberant-e-trike-for-indian-people-with-great-performance-1600146132970.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/exuberant-e-trike-for-indian-people-with-great-performance-1600146132970.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt)1750 US$/350 Kg


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/mobility-closed-m1-trike-m-1-e-car-electricscooters-new-electric-tricycle-1600118965036.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/mobility-closed-m1-trike-m-1-e-car-electricscooters-new-electric-tricycle-1600118965036.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt)1450 US$/155 Kg


5-10 US$/Kg etrike means by 100 Kg weight E-Egg by chinese production condition a selling price between 500-1000 US$ each


                   this are all not "cars,by industrial standarts and normation " ! LIGHT MOTORCYCLE (AMI,Rocks et cetera class !)


                             I would assume similar "safety concerns" like here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REVAi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REVAi)  or C5 Sinclair




We take for reference,car class, the RENAULT KWID and DACIA Duster ( physical both electric = DACIA SPRING ) :


                             average KWID curb weight ( 678 Kg + 775 Kg) /2 = 727 Kg car weight


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Kwid#:~:text=Der%20Renault%20Kwid%20ist%20ein,bis%20353.000%20Rupien)%20verkauft%20wird (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Kwid#:~:text=Der%20Renault%20Kwid%20ist%20ein,bis%20353.000%20Rupien)%20verkauft%20wird).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Kwid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Kwid)


                              starting price 3500 Euros in India,IC engine version : 3500 Euros / 727 Kg weight = 4,8 Euros / Kg car base price


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/autokatalog/marken-modelle/dacia/dacia-duster/ (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/autokatalog/marken-modelle/dacia/dacia-duster/)


                             starting price 11990 Euros,IC engine version : 11 990 Euros /1090 Kg = 11 Euros / Kg car base price




                            KWID + DUSTER AVERAGE = ( 4,8 Euros + 11 Euros ) / 2 = 7,9 Euros /Kg


https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_VESTA_2 (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_VESTA_2)   :     473 kg x 7,9 Euros =



                                                                        +- 3750 Euros car basic price ,

                                                                                    before incentives

                                                        VESTA 2 to VESTA 3 electric,conversion costs ?!


Rural user/ consumer priorities : 0-50 Km/h : sec ?         0-75 Km/h : sec ?         0-100 Km/h : sec ? 

                                   Sub-/Urban user/consumer ,by given legal street speed max. velocity !?


VESTA 2 :  Michel Porquer 4x 500 W electric transmission/ Haeusler Zsolt 1500 Watt/220 Volt power level !

                  2000 Wh/100 Km ,modified 1000 Wh/100 Km ( step 1 = MOD light ;)  , step II 500 Wh per 100 Km )

                                      long range potential or unlimited range potential wished ?

                                                 by brake energy recuperation ( et cet. 8)  )




            Let us be "splendid spending " and calculate high with 7500 Euros a new  "DUSTER SPRING" class car :


                                                                      less incentive


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.carwow.de/ratgeber/elektroauto/foerderungen-fuer-e-autos-2020-welche-zuschuesse-gibt-es%23gref (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.carwow.de/ratgeber/elektroauto/foerderungen-fuer-e-autos-2020-welche-zuschuesse-gibt-es%23gref)


                          Innovation bonus (environmental bonus) for electric and hybrid cars : Renault,up to 9000 Euros,per car
                                       
                                       a new electric "compact class car " for 2500 Euros , net ?




                                                         city-share community argument,is it not ?




Citroen Ami or Opel Rocks are not cars, "electric scooter class" = does not get electric car or Hybrids incentives !


                    By their lease-/rent plan it will be possible to rent a " 4-wheel e-scooter " for 20 Euros per month !


                                 By VESTA 3 electric calculation plan,with incentives ,below 20 Euros per month !




                           Safety ,relatively, warranted ,4-5 seater :    " NewAge FAMILY "- car and costs issue !?




                                                Capacity time-shared :     /2       /4      /6 
 

                                                first = main owned car,second car,third car !?


                                                 10 - 5 - 2,5 Euros per month (user,family) budget part




                                                as cheap as public transport,partial now offered -por gratia -








                         We are individuals, also in family households,and like and wish our private (legal) freedom !


                         There is not and will be never an universal solution : local and time and object and priorities dependent !










                         I am liberal working,included social capitalism and communism (not partidary),but economical communism rules :


                                   Walras/Paretto/v.Weizsaecker social-economics with the temporary final target : Enthrophy = Egalité




                                                        controlled costs by controlled financement




                                                        cash = moeda,Muenze,Coin 1/1


                                                        or credit = Nota,Wechsel,bond,obligation ( 1/8 - 1/10 macro-economic internal lever observation !)




https://www.robinwood.de/ (https://www.robinwood.de/)   and  https://www.greenpeace.de/ (https://www.greenpeace.de/)  and  https://fridaysforfuture.de/ (https://fridaysforfuture.de/)  and  https://rmi.org/ (https://rmi.org/)


                                                                             can  co-work


                                                                                 to realize

                                                   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Rt0dSHIXA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Rt0dSHIXA)

                                                  the 2500 Euros,net, 120 Km/h peak, 1 Gr. CO2 per Km


                                                  or  "Rent-Abonnements"  like https://www.share-now.com/ (https://www.share-now.com/)




                   But to realize the 1000 Euros(before incentives) Arzen E-Egg electric trike also ,not to forget !


                   As 3rd : e-Loremo ?! In E.U. new for before incentives 5 000 Euros, 1 250 Euros net,after incentives ?





                                                                  TATA FOUNDATION ?


                                              https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacKenzie_Scott (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacKenzie_Scott) participation ?

                                                 ? Ali Baba ? Foundation participation ?
                                                             
               https://www.alizila.com/jack-ma-foundation-and-alibaba-foundation-donate-to-world-health-organization/ (https://www.alizila.com/jack-ma-foundation-and-alibaba-foundation-donate-to-world-health-organization/)


                                                                but not "-express",no(t) hurry !  ::)




btw : TATA MOTORs   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Motors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Motors)                     production capacity


        and GAC unused capacity


 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://observador.pt/2021/09/10/china-stellantis-fecha-fabrica-que-detinha-a-meias-com-a-gac/ (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://observador.pt/2021/09/10/china-stellantis-fecha-fabrica-que-detinha-a-meias-com-a-gac/)




Ford Ka+  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/2017_Ford_KA%2B_Zetec_1.2_%281%29.jpg/250px-2017_Ford_KA%2B_Zetec_1.2_%281%29.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/2017_Ford_KA%2B_Zetec_1.2_%281%29.jpg/250px-2017_Ford_KA%2B_Zetec_1.2_%281%29.jpg)         


    and Lovins Hypercar style comparison :


https://autotrends.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/lovins-hypercar-concept.jpg (https://autotrends.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/lovins-hypercar-concept.jpg)




less known design concepts,f.e. https://www.carstyling.ru/resources/concept/1994_Citroen_Xanae_Concept_mockups.jpg (https://www.carstyling.ru/resources/concept/1994_Citroen_Xanae_Concept_mockups.jpg)


https://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/2014-Volkswagen-XL1-Hybrid1.jpg (https://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/2014-Volkswagen-XL1-Hybrid1.jpg)


 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X58oEF1dBqg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X58oEF1dBqg)






As Conceptionalist I take the Fend/Messerschmitt "bubble"-car term ,the 29 sqm inflatable bubble 1300 W per hour compressor consume,
divide by Volume 1/10 and couple a Rust-rotoverter with modified "net Zero-electric consume"


and the car body platform : e-skateboard like

the stretchable-and foldable car prototypes/models/concepts (Daimler-Benz et cet.)


as vector for an "inflatable bubble electric street scooter " !


Citroen Ami and Opel Rocks with "soft top" ! Or Gar(field) Wood supercar chassis with "(bubble)cabin" !


                                                                  Sedan/Limousine - Targa - Cabrio


1 parking lot = 1 car space                "Smartcar"-law : 1 parking lot = 2 X Smartcar space    1 parking lot =   3/4/.. ic-/e-bike space




1 parking lot = 2x "inflated bubble electric scooter" space


 or


1 parking lot = 3/4/.... X  vertical standing "deflated bubble electric scooter " space


less time lost for parking !


Average City-speed/velocity by less  " snail's pace parking lot searcher" increase or traffic flow disturber as "second row parker "  !




WE ARE LIVING IN THE FUTURE :  the "bubble platform" positionizes itself from horizontal to vertical position = autonomous
                                                                           
                                                                                  drives                                                                         autonomous




                     "1001 Nights" and "THE FLYING CARPET " ,pardon  ::)  , autonomous driving board


                                                                                  also,on water,autonomous flairing board


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Morris_Forschungspreis 1984  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCnther_W._J%C3%B6rg


                                                                                                innovation based by US inventor "Lepichinsky or similar his name"
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 12, 2021, 03:35:53 PM
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001207&CC=DE&NR=10011074A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001207&CC=DE&NR=10011074A1&KC=A1)


the gasoline IC engine to electric car conversion (gasoil ic engine cars are more difficult to convert ,more costly )


e-drive :  1500 Watt continuous rated/numeric 220 Volt ,50 Hz ,4000 RPM nominal


alibaba offer,condition,price :


https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/4000rpm-electrical-motor-220v.html (https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/4000rpm-electrical-motor-220v.html)


f.e.


https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/TOPS-YC-series-220V-2hp-3hp_60543774692.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.b0e76b02Ff4BWW (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/TOPS-YC-series-220V-2hp-3hp_60543774692.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.b0e76b02Ff4BWW)


                                                    $59.00-$66.00 / Piece  (Minimum 50 units gross selling)




                                      battery set :  https://patents.google.com/patent/US20090079393A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20090079393A1/en)


                          3 KW modified sine wave inverter 50 US$/ea    3 KW pure sine wave inverter  90 US$/ea


                                                                  battery charger costs ?




                               LiFePo battery 100 US$/KWh capacity for 100 US$ fob factory




 The Neo-Messerschmitt cabin-roller is equipped with 1,4 KWh battery capacity !
  But included e-motor/generator brake energy recuperation function !




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battery-set calculation




2 KWh LiFePo battery capacity              for 300 US$/incl.distribution costs


3 KW modified sine wave inverter for 75 US$/incl. distribution costs


battery charger ,bticcs type, for 100 US$/incl. distribution costs




electric motor calculation :


1,5 KW AC 220 Volt 4000 RPM for 125 US$/incl. distribution costs


1,5 KW AC 220 V with modified Imris capacitive winding 175 US$/incl. distribution costs

https://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/RMS-Calculator.phtml (https://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/RMS-Calculator.phtml)

 important for AC-circuit   EMF = positive half-phase /BEMF = negative half-phase      calibration/flip-flop commutation

                                      Lenz and Fleming 3-finger/hand orientation rules applied

                                      in TD :  Gegen-Strom/Elektronen-Waerme-Tauscher / Kreuz-Mittelpunkt   


                                     +/- Voltage(force flux velocity) exchange,quantum-mechanical transmission


 


                                              total 600-650 US$ ,without installation and technical attest costs !


                                                   Before "conversion incentives " !?






We do not need to "scrap" technical/physical semi-new car bodies = stupid economical and not ecological action !






GHG amortized ex-IC engine converted (semi-new) cars compared


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/tech-zukunft/alternative-antriebe/studie-der-tu-eindhoven-gute-co2-bilanz-elektroautos/ (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/tech-zukunft/alternative-antriebe/studie-der-tu-eindhoven-gute-co2-bilanz-elektroautos/)

 It achieves a CO2 equivalent of 78 g / km, which is 54 percent better than the Prius, which is 168 g / km.


 I calculate and write about :    1 g CO2 / Km


 ( not included the external GHG emission during motor and battery production )




The Eindhoven study and my numbers are solely "during driving"  consume electricity or/and fossil/bio fuel use related !


2 KWh battery is to 80% capacity fast re-loaded ! < 1hour,1500 W power outlet





1 g/Km CO2 emission gives advantage over CO2-scrubber investment costs :


https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210310-the-trillion-dollar-plan-to-capture-co2 (https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210310-the-trillion-dollar-plan-to-capture-co2)
Costing the planet
Estimates of how much it costs to capture a tonne of CO2 from the air vary widely, ranging from $100 to $1,000 (£72 to £720) per tonne. Oldham says that most figures are unduly pessimistic – he is confident that Climate Engineering can fix a tonne of carbon for as little as $94 (£68) (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2542435118302253), especially once it becomes a widespread industrial process.


high costs estimation 1000 US$/ton for scrub process =


100 000 US$cents/ 1 000 000 Gr. CO2 = 0,1 US$cent per Gr.


or   1 US$/1000 Km range CO2 tributation  ,


compared  for 1 gallon the consumer pays : ? US$ actually ?! Consume per 1000 Km or 595 miles in gallons and tank stations bill ?!




by 100 US$/ton CO2 scrubbing


= 1 US$/10 000 Km range CO2 tributation

                                                                 Attention :

Calculating the CO2-scrubbing costs with :


It achieves a CO2 equivalent of 78 g / km, which is 54 percent better than the Prius, which is 168 g / km.
 
                  78-168 times the costs per Km drive and 78-168 times the CO2 scrubbing tower capacity need  !











                                        1 g/Km    :      surviveable,I mean,the consequence  !


Saving in car conversion costs gives more financial budget freedom for planet CO2 and other GHG scrubbing !
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 12, 2021, 05:53:32 PM

1 KWh electric consume per 100 Km x 400 g CO2 /KWh german electricity-generation-mix


                                                                             = 4 g /Km


https://patents.google.com/patent/DE4332378A1/en?inventor=Kurt+Fritzsche (https://patents.google.com/patent/DE4332378A1/en?inventor=Kurt+Fritzsche)


                                    claim : 3 Lt./100 Km gasoline consumption


the gasoline engine/generator couple showes us a 40% conversion efficiency


80% engine : Multidisc /Uni Michigan,gun engine modification http://www.rexresearch.com/holubowicz/holubowicz.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/holubowicz/holubowicz.htm) ,
                     patentauction.com albanian inventor 90% claim


                                              1,5 Lt./100 Km gasoline consumption engine


the generator,conventional,change to Iida Kango/Frunzi-Tudor/Akio Hara units


                                              0,9 Lt./100 Km gasoline consumption


                                           Oh,how wonderfull the US-fuel cleanity  8)  :

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/greenhouse-gas-emissions-typical-passenger-vehicle#:~:text=typical%20passenger%20vehicle%3F-,A%20typical%20passenger%20vehicle%20emits%20about%204.6%20metric%20tons%20of,8%2C887%20grams%20of%20CO2 (https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/greenhouse-gas-emissions-typical-passenger-vehicle#:~:text=typical%20passenger%20vehicle%3F-,A%20typical%20passenger%20vehicle%20emits%20about%204.6%20metric%20tons%20of,8%2C887%20grams%20of%20CO2).


How much tailpipe carbon dioxide (CO2) is created from burning one gallon of fuel?


CO2 Emissions from a gallon of gasoline: 8,887 grams CO2/ gallon :o  ( port. gallao /the US gallon : 3,758 lt.)
CO2 Emissions from a gallon of diesel: 10,180 grams CO2/ gallon  :o


                                            epa.gov- page ? REALLY ? Worked out by Dem or Rep or Lib ? agente provocateur  8)


                                                                                        ;D


a little more realistic numbers :


https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/sites/www.nrcan.gc.ca/files/oee/pdf/transportation/fuel-efficient-technologies/autosmart_factsheet_6_e.pdf (https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/sites/www.nrcan.gc.ca/files/oee/pdf/transportation/fuel-efficient-technologies/autosmart_factsheet_6_e.pdf)


Burning 1 L ( circa 850 Gr.)  of gasoline produces approximately 2.3 kg of CO2 .

Carbon has an atomic weight of 12, oxygen has an atomic weight of 16 and CO2 has a molecular weight of 44 (1 carbon atom [12] + 2 oxygen atoms [2 x 16 = 32]).


 Therefore CO2 is 3.67 times heavier than carbon (44 ÷ 12 = 3.67).


 This is how 1 L of gasoline, which contains about 0.63 kg of carbon, can produce about 2.3 kg of CO2 (3.67 × 0.63 kg = 2.3  kg).






                                            0,9 Lt. x 2,3 Kg = 2,07 Kg per 100 Km CO2 emission


                                                                   0r 20,7 g/ Km


fueling the tank and then the engine with https://patents.google.com/patent/EP2690158A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/EP2690158A1/en) hydro-carb fuel


                                                                        20,7 g / 8 =


                                                            2,6 g/ Km CO2 emission


                                        Option: on-board low cost CO2 vacuum-scrubber


                                                             < 2 g CO2/100 Km emission


                             https://www.tesla.com/en_EU/support/european-union-energy-label (https://www.tesla.com/en_EU/support/european-union-energy-label)


                             modified Fritzsche concept = 1/10 Tesla Inc. all modells CO2 emission/Km


                                                        like all other actual e-cars (Hyndai,....)


                       
   Or : 10 x  Fritzsche,improved concept, cars consumes/emitts per 100 Km  as same as 1 x  Tesla Inc. Modell


         https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.umweltbundesamt.at/news210427 (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.umweltbundesamt.at/news210427)


                             High g CO2/Km = high CO2 scrubbing investment costs and landscape spoilage

                              we need a right and intelligent incentive politique


                                                           THINK
                                                           RIGHT
                                                         no hurry
                                                   before investing



Fritzsche concept,unmodified,with Arakelian 7:1 of 8  hydro-carb fuel,without on-board CO2-scrubber  :

                                                  9  g CO2/Km emission


                                           ( equates 2,25 e-KWh/100 Km )

Attention : unmodified Fritzsche rated/nominal electric motor power level


Modified : Ferreira 1 e-wheel on a shaft,2 e-wheels on a shaft ,........ max-power e-engine


     E-Dragster ( electriclouie / Finkel) versus Lamborghini Diablo





                                                                         Fritzsche 2.0 


High 80% conversion efficient ic engine,Arakelian fuel and on-board CO2 scrubber and            Ferreira e-drive




                          from 2 g CO2 /Km                  to                                                               0,2 g CO2 /Km
 

high costs estimation 1000 US$/ton for scrub process =


1000US$ base = 100 000 US$cents/ 1 000 000 Gr. CO2 = 0,1 US$cent per Gr.

Fritzsche 2.0 CO2 scrubber tributation per 1000 Lm drive : for 200 Gr. CO2 emission 0,2 US$


low costs 100 US$ base :                          per 1000 Km drive : for 200 Gr.CO2 emission 2 US$cents



150 x  modified/converted Fritzsche 2.0 cars  emitts such CO2 mass per Km like 1x each  Tesla Inc/Hyndai/VW/MB/.... e-car  ,actually


Like I wrote before,ecological solutions are existent !

A Fritzsche 2.0 kit for middle class car power level for 2000 Euros realizeable
1x 9 KW ic engine ,2x 6 KVA generator and e-drive ,
option co2-scrubber

Converting Technical World 1.0 to Eco-World 2.0,included material and information recycling




btw: 1975-1978           ecological and technical public  standart


https://www.datadiwan.de/netzwerk/index.htm?/moch/moch_2b.htm (https://www.datadiwan.de/netzwerk/index.htm?/moch/moch_2b.htm)



Method for improving the combustion process in an internal combustion engine by adding water to the fuel and device for carrying out the method
Inventor: Takeshige Sugimoto, Japan
Offenlegungsschrift 26 32 190
Registration date: 07/16/1976
Quotation page 16, 17:
The test vehicle is a 67 model of the Nissan Sunny type with a 1400 cc machine ...
 The test results showed that 1 liter of petrol was used for a distance of 32 km (# this corresponds to 3.125 l / 100 km ) "

https://patents.google.com/patent/US4030453A/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US4030453A/en)

Water fuel
picture of science, 5-1976, Current Science, page 3
Quote:
The 38-year-old Japanese businessman Takeshige Sugimoto from Tosayama, Tosagun, in Kochi Prefecture presented a fuel he had invented to the press - and went on a long journey with it. In the tank: A mixture of equal parts conventional gasoline and ordinary water ....
Despite a top speed of more than 100 km / h, only 50% of conventional gasoline is used - with extremely low environmental pollution from carbon monoxide and other poisons. "


and


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820309&CC=US&NR=4318449A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820309&CC=US&NR=4318449A&KC=A)
A combination of a combustion engine connected to operate intermittently at its point of peak efficiency for effecting recharge of an electric power drive system provides a vehicle drive system capable of 100 miles per gallon.


100 mpg = 2,25 Lt/100 Km gasoline = 2,25 Lt x 2,3 Kg CO2/Lt =


                                                                                =  52 g CO2/Km



/2 for 50/50 gasoline-water mix = 1,125 Lt/100 Km x 2,3 Kg CO2/Lt = 2,59 Kg CO2 emission/100 Km                                                                               
                                                                                = 26 g CO2 /Km





                           Salisbury hybrid and 2011 https://patents.google.com/patent/EP2690158A1/en fuel-gas

                              100 mpg = 2,25 Lt/100 Km x 2,3 Kg/Lt /8 Arakelian hydro-carb fuel-gas 7:1 mix =

                                                                                  = 6,5 g CO2/Km





compared 2021 Tesla car ecological standart :


  https://www.tesla.com/en_EU/support/european-union-energy-label (https://www.tesla.com/en_EU/support/european-union-energy-label)


                                                                                = 23-33 g CO2/ Km
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 13, 2021, 12:56:49 PM
As Conceptionalist developping the "e-World-car/VOLKSAUTO"  :


First Point :


http://www.evalbum.com/motor (http://www.evalbum.com/motor)  updated 2009 ,when this statement ,before update,was written ?  :


" For those accustomed to gas engines, this may not seem like much power, but the rating systems used for gas engines and electric motors are so different that the numbering system is almost meaningless. Gas engines are rated at their peak hp, electric motors are rated at their continuous hp. The peak hp of an electric motor is usually 8 to 10 times its continuous rating.
Electric vehicle drive motors can be divided into two basic groups, DC or direct current motors, and AC or alternating current motors. "


Pure electromagnetic e-motor or pm electric motor peak/continous ? Industrial/commercial e-motor performance at that time ?


Related,to think about : Fred Miekka´s experience with  industry electric motor standart /theoretical physical capacity !


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=fred+miekka&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=fred+miekka&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)


https://citkar.com/de/shop/details-loadster-pick-up/ (https://citkar.com/de/shop/details-loadster-pick-up/) 


  continous 250 W and peak 1300 W = 5,2 as spread factor  versus "  usually 8 to 10 times "




                       we can/shall also differ : peak from continuous and average ! 

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                     Now the conversion base :  der (Mai-)Kaefer,beetle „Volkswagen“


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=de&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_K%25C3%25A4fer%23:~:text%3DDer%2520VW%2520K%25C3%25A4fer%2520%28VW%2520Typ,bis%2520Sommer%25202003%2520gebaut%2520wurde (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=de&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_K%25C3%25A4fer%23:~:text%3DDer%2520VW%2520K%25C3%25A4fer%2520%28VW%2520Typ,bis%2520Sommer%25202003%2520gebaut%2520wurde).


                    average  „Volkswagen“ hp to KW,from 16 to19 KW = 18 KW  „Volkswagen“  internal combustion engine power


                              conversion to 2021 electric motor version :


18 KW ic-KW as ic-b-KW     b= brake


18 KW ic-engine   / (1300/250 = Loadster  continous/peak spread ) = 3,46 b-KW rated/nominal electric motor power

https://jfautomotive.co.uk/case-studies/calculating-horsepower/ (https://jfautomotive.co.uk/case-studies/calculating-horsepower/)

3,46 b-KW rated/nominal electric motor power  x 0,8 (bhp to whp or b-KW to w-KW w= wheel) =


                                                    2,77 w-KW rated in-wheel electric motor power


1. option : we use Watt as power-term ,without determ THE VOLT and the tension  its physical effect !

                higher VOLTAGE (FARADAY ! = higher FORCE) = higher speed max. !


                e-Motor voltage and e-battery voltage !


              3000 Watt 12 Volt DC 250 A                              versus                3000 W 220 Volt AC (RMS attention !) 14 A


                           field / cross road experiment and result in time,Wh,speed average,speed max.comparison !


                          2x   1500 W DC or AC ? Volt ?    https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/in-wheel-motor-1500-watt.html (https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/in-wheel-motor-1500-watt.html)


                          Attention : we see the term " watt-age"~ rated or continuous power and " power" = peak power


            3 w-eKW (w = wheel ,e = electric)= more nominal rated power ( or " wattage")does  the international "VOLKSAUTO" not need   !
















Following his technological evolution : https://www.youtube.com/c/ViktorArestov/videos    (https://www.youtube.com/c/ViktorArestov/videos)        compared Fred Miekka conventional motor modification/improvement


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://pedelec-elektro-fahrrad.de/news/arestov-neuer-motor-fuer-alltagstaugliche-e-bikes/16000/ (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://pedelec-elektro-fahrrad.de/news/arestov-neuer-motor-fuer-alltagstaugliche-e-bikes/16000/)



The motor dispenses with the use of permanent magnets, i.e. rare earths, which, as a positive side effect, not only results in greater environmental friendliness, but also a reduction in manufacturing costs.


The drive is also lighter, quieter and equally suitable for eBikes and pedelecs. It is also suitable for use in electric cars or electric motorcycles.


The range is a decisive factor when choosing a pedelec or eBike. The new development, which is based on the basic principle of combined windings, scores here as well.


https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/M9_yU5hN1zs (https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/M9_yU5hN1zs)


With this technology, a 3 kW asynchronous motor could be built from a 1.5 kW permanent magnet motor.


The temperature problems that often occur with wheel hub motors are also unknown to him and can tolerate overheating of 150 ° C, e.g. when driving uphill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw2Y5ZVaMPk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw2Y5ZVaMPk)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJYgQJQadek (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJYgQJQadek)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJYgQJQadek (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJYgQJQadek) - 6:49+  regenerative braking ! and battery recharge

related GarWoods supercar : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na8NYhRrrUs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na8NYhRrrUs)
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 13, 2021, 05:12:52 PM
#50 :  https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespa (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespa)


          Past and current types


          https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespa_125 (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespa_125)
         
          ic-engine power 4,5 hp or x 0,745 = 3,35 KW (peak)

        Top speed 70 km / h

         empty weight  83/87 Kg


          Models currently on sale


        Vespa Elettrica electric motor with 4 kW and 200 Nm,  weight 130 Kg

        https://wlassets.vespa.com/wlassets/vespa/master/tech_spec/EU5/ELETTRICA_45_KMH_EU5/original/ELETTRICA_45_KMH_EU5.pdf?1611747684351 (https://wlassets.vespa.com/wlassets/vespa/master/tech_spec/EU5/ELETTRICA_45_KMH_EU5/original/ELETTRICA_45_KMH_EU5.pdf?1611747684351)

                                  CONTINUOUS POWER 3.5 kW


                                  MAXIMUM POWER 4 kW


                                45 km / h top speed,
                       
                                100 km range (200 km with Range Extender (Version X)), multimedia on-board system - from October 2018) [5] (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Vespa?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=ajax,elem,se#cite_note-5)




                                  ???

                                         weight,"wattage" or rated electric motor power

#28 :        25 Km/h   top            1,2 KW   MB F-Cell Roadster
                                                 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_F-Cell_Roadster (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_F-Cell_Roadster)   350 Kg weight

                40 Km/h   top            1,5 KW   12 Volt  weight ? http://www.evalbum.com/314 (http://www.evalbum.com/314) 99 Kg weight       


              120 Km/h+ top            1,5 KW   230 Volt/50 Hz conventional gasoline car ( with ic engine 800 Kg+ ) to electric modification




#43 : 


                    rated "wattage" and/or electric motor power,weight,speed max.




   https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/2020-new-model-e-trike-manila-for-sale-62221349480.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.4ff938acb2Sy61 (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/2020-new-model-e-trike-manila-for-sale-62221349480.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.4ff938acb2Sy61)    450 US$/95 Kg


            500 W motor                                 speed max 25 Km/h


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/battery-operated-electric-cargo-tricycle-with-heavy-loading-500kg-van-tricycle-for-delivery-e-trikes-62149442633.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/battery-operated-electric-cargo-tricycle-with-heavy-loading-500kg-van-tricycle-for-delivery-e-trikes-62149442633.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt)750 US$/370 Kg

           1000 W motor                                speed max 28 Km/h

https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/exuberant-e-trike-for-indian-people-with-great-performance-1600146132970.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/exuberant-e-trike-for-indian-people-with-great-performance-1600146132970.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt)  1750 US$/350 Kg

           800 W motor                                 speed max 35 Km/h

https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/mobility-closed-m1-trike-m-1-e-car-electricscooters-new-electric-tricycle-1600118965036.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/mobility-closed-m1-trike-m-1-e-car-electricscooters-new-electric-tricycle-1600118965036.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt)  1450 US$/155 Kg

          800 Watt motor                             speed max 25 Km/h




#50 :


             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioWv_sePLU0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioWv_sePLU0)  nominal 350 Watt e-bike/Mo-Fa ,speed max 40 Km/h 


            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf31fQJVWOU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf31fQJVWOU)   ic to nominal 750 W e-bike,speed max 50 Km/h
                                                                             
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwX1vGQIwqk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwX1vGQIwqk) 1200 Watt 220 Volt,speed max ?


            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1SWRb_7f48 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1SWRb_7f48)  2000 W nominal , speed max 70 Km/h 






Some seems not to understand : electric motor wattage overrating follows
                                                https://www.quantum-controls.co.uk/insights/faqs/what-is-cube-law/ (https://www.quantum-controls.co.uk/insights/faqs/what-is-cube-law/)
                                                high losts !


A pump or fan ,edit: or wheel, running at half speed consumes only one eighth of the power compared to one running at full speed.


the #50 video e-bike conversion numbers and the " cube law"-performance


when rated 2000 W for speed max 70 Km/h


so                          for speed max 60 Km/h  cube law applied :  [(60/70)x(60/70)x (60/70)] x 2000 W =  rated 1260 Watt


                             for speed max 50 Km/h  cube law applied       50/70    50           50        x 2000 W =  rated   720 Watt


                             for speed max 40                                          40/70                                             = rated    373 Watt


 wheel, running at half speed consumes only one eighth of the power compared to one running at full speed


                             for speed max 35 Km/h                                 35/70                                             = rated    250 Watt


                            as 30 Km/h City-limit reference


                            for speed max  30                                          30/70                                             = rated    157 Watt


and now to refind the Gruber motor and Dr.W.Volkrodt 25 Km/h biker e-assistant values


                            for speed max 25                                            25/70                                           = rated      91 Watt


from decelerating step down


to


 accelerating : step up "cube law"-performance = invers application


from 25 Km/h to 70 Km/h                                                          [(70/25)x(70/25)x(70/25)] x 91     = rated 1997 Watt       
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 14, 2021, 12:29:43 AM
Okay , https://overunity.com/13068/friction-heater-running-in-my-house/msg470504/#msg470504 (https://overunity.com/13068/friction-heater-running-in-my-house/msg470504/#msg470504)


                                                  heat pump  example             
           http://www.fujitsugeneral.co.nz/faq-s#faqnoanchor (http://www.fujitsugeneral.co.nz/faq-s#faqnoanchor)                       
           Why is it recently that a single heat pump can heat or cool very large areas? (http://www.fujitsugeneral.co.nz/faq-s#faqnoanchor)


It takes almost twice as much energy to heat a house from 2 degrees to 20 degrees as from 7 degrees to 20 degrees.
 So if you want to make sure you are going to get heating in all situations the heat pump needs to be sized correctly


a. 7 degrees to 20 degrees = 13° K


b. 2 degrees to 20 degrees = 18°K


normally ,wrong calculated : a 20 sqm room ,4 mtr x 5 mtr, with 2,5 mtr high = 65 sqm (without 20 sqm base) room exterior surface


       65 sqm a K-value 1,0 x 13°K =   845 W heat source need


       65 sqm a K-value 1,0 x 18°K = 1170 W heat source need


                                                     1170/845 = 1,384


      cube law effect           18/13 = 1,384 v3 = 2,65     


https://www.fenixgroup.cz/de (https://www.fenixgroup.cz/de) here the above " Fujitsu hypo-/thesis" confirmed !


the "cube law " also called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_laws (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_laws)




I think it will be time to research the "Relativistische Kinematik/relativistic kinematics  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_mechanics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_mechanics)    "
relationship between the "Affinity laws (proprotional/square/cube)" effect

and under "Schroedinger electron-gas"-condition as Bionik-theme the Biot-Savart law analogy !


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19850314&CC=DE&NR=3330899A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19850314&CC=DE&NR=3330899A1&KC=A1)

https://paxscientific.com/ (https://paxscientific.com/)   https://paxscientific.com/flair (https://paxscientific.com/flair)  https://paxscientific.com/innovative-technology (https://paxscientific.com/innovative-technology)   https://paxscientific.com/flow (https://paxscientific.com/flow)


btw : the Fritzsche ic-engine hibrid concept,instead ic-engine the 90% di Pietro air engine ? + improved generator couple and Ferreira motor

When actually ic-engine power-to-wheel efficiency is in the     <10% range ,


by Fritzsche with conventional engine/conventional generator <20% range


                         di Pietro engine/conventional generator conversion  45% power-to-wheel efficiency range


                  with di Pietro          /   improved   generator                   90% power-to-wheel efficiency range


and by Ferreira motor use  90% di Pietro engine as propulsion source less " compressed air storage " need




 https://treasury.gov.au/sites/default/files/2019-03/R2011-002_Engineair.pdf (https://treasury.gov.au/sites/default/files/2019-03/R2011-002_Engineair.pdf)

There are no toxic chemicals used as for batteries, the running life is considerably greater than for throw away battery packs for vehicles. Our ranges are similar but our recharge time is a few minutes rather than hours.
Our run times can be increased by using some form of heat store to boost compressed air pressures -
this can be through on-board solar thermal sources for example.


 What makes these applications so viable is that the Di Pietro motor has been very cleverly designed
 to use far less air compared with other current air motors -
our current 9 chamber motor uses nearly 4 times less air than its competitors for the same power output -
 so far less running of power hungry compressors.
 Additionally outlay on large capacity compressors can be much less in industrial situations.
       
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 14, 2021, 12:25:54 PM
We have to work inter-disciplinary/inter-facultativ and inter-national to get the best result !


Thermoscience : Bionics and Geonics(Space-Time: Volumetrics)


Classical laws,up to declared :Axiom,probably with fixed constants(Avogrado,Planck et et cetera) and newest findings/corrections !


International Prize participants entree and winner scientifical results !


Thermoscience and Thermoengineering :


Gay-Lussac


Avogrado


Michel Rodriguez


Michel Prueitt M.E.C.H.


Wilhelm Haeberle


Pax Scientific


an internal combustion (differs from external combustion ?) engine seen as "heat canon" ( Paris "1,5°C temperature increase limit ")


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hei%25C3%259Fluftgebl%25C3%25A4se (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hei%25C3%259Fluftgebl%25C3%25A4se)






1 litre water as liquid transforms to ? litres hho-gas ? 1000x+ volume expansion or gas-to-liquid compression


with expansion volume the temperature a. increase b.decrease cases !

http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=19740299&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=19740299&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)

" ...


The asymmetrical cycle of this process for converting thermal energy into usable mechanical energy, shown in the Mollier t / s diagram for carbon dioxide (CO2) in Fig. 1 and Fig. 2, works on the left side of the inversion line, in a pressure range in which all processes run mirror-inverted to the right-hand side of the inversion line and the usual behavior of CO2 is reversed:


When the pressure increases, it cools down instead of warming up.



When the pressure drops, it is heated instead of cooled.


According to Maxwell (1831 to 1879) and Boltzmann (1844 to 1916), all molecules are constantly in motion, that is their natural state.

They either fly through space (gases) or swarm closely together (liquids), or they oscillate quickly around a central position (solid), and they can also vibrate and rotate and perform combinations of all of these movements.

The movement increases with increasing temperature and decreases with decreasing temperature.




With increasing pressure, the packing density of the molecules rises in liquids, they mutually hinder each other's freedom of movement.

The vibrations become smaller in spite of the work expended on the compression and smaller vibrations mean a temperature and thus a decrease in entropy.


With decreasing pressure, the oscillations of the molecules increase again, the temperature and the entropy increase. ... ."







ambient air temperature intake to engine / acceleration (Rodriguez : gigacycles)/ combustion process temperature engine outtake/exhaust


https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/exhaust-gas (https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/exhaust-gas)



2.2 Engine specification and exhaust gas composition

Item
Data

Exhaust gas temperature 365 °C


Before turbine temperature 342 °C


After turbine temperature 193 °C

https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_the_influence_of_engine_load_on_the_exhaust_temperature_of_an_IC_engine#:~:text=Temperature%20of%20engine%20exhaust%20is,can%20destroy%20the%20catalytic%20converter (https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_the_influence_of_engine_load_on_the_exhaust_temperature_of_an_IC_engine#:~:text=Temperature%20of%20engine%20exhaust%20is,can%20destroy%20the%20catalytic%20converter).

                                                     300°C - 700°C exhaust temperature !


                 hydrogen internal combustion process exhaust temperature ? (BMW hydrogen-Otto-cycle !)

         https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Exhaust-gas-temperature-of-gasoline-and-hydrogen-engine-Figure-76Portrays-the-NO-x_fig9_310772006 (https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Exhaust-gas-temperature-of-gasoline-and-hydrogen-engine-Figure-76Portrays-the-NO-x_fig9_310772006)


ambient temperature air to engine as engine exhaust to ambient air : ambient air volume temperature change after engine exhaust ?

6 Litre liquid/100 Km gasoline to 5,1 Kg gasoline consume + 1:14,7 (total 15,7 units) ambient air mix = 80 Kg/ 100 Km gas mass consume


                                 
                                      80 Kg gas mass its volume ? Its average temperature as exhaust ?


                                                         "After turbine temperature 193°C " ?




                                    combustion process  (heat canon like) before/after exchange


                                                        ambient air unit/-s            exhaust unit


 simple calculation example  :o       :   1 gas mole unit a 20°C  + 1 gas mole unit a 30°C     =  2 units with average 25°C


                                                        1 gas mole unit a 20°C + 1 gas mole unit a 193°C   = 2 units with average 106.5°C


                                 
                                                        9 gas mole units a 20°C + 1 gas mole unit a 193°C  = 10 units with average 37,3°C


                                                       99 gas mole units a 20°C + 1 gas mole unit a 193°C = 100 units with average 21,73°C




                                                      80 Kg exhaust air mass a 193°C temperature x 100 = 8000 Kg ambient air mass with 1,73°C increase




air density(clearly temperature/humidity/pressure et cetera dependent,average https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_of_air (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_of_air)


                                                                 At 20 °C and 101.325 kPa, dry air has a density of 1.2041 kg/m3.



                                                 8000 Kg/1,2 Kg = 6666 cbm or as gas volume : 6 666 000 lt. (per driving unit ! )


                                                         with "only 193°C exhaust temperature" calculation !




                                                       6 666 cbm / 3 metres high = 2222 sqm area 1,73°C temperature increase


                                                      1 sqKm = 1 000 000 sqm /2222 sqm = 350 ic-engine vehicles a 6 Lt fuel/100 km consume per sqKm


                                                        6 Lt. +X per  a.100 Km or  b. per hour     consume ? ,


                                                 space temperature increasing tipo - "heat canon" on 3/4-wheels -  in action ?




              A fuel-kind change does not change ambiental temperature increase by same/similar high process exhaust temperature


for clearance : this as car use time effect /24 hours  https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Transport/Vehicle-abundance (https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Transport/Vehicle-abundance)


but related total transportation sector  https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/transport-uses-25-percent-of-world-energy (https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/transport-uses-25-percent-of-world-energy)


passengers =  as light-duty vehicles 45 q. BTU  from 55 quadrillion BTU representing


2019 total primary energy consume : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_supply_and_consumption (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_supply_and_consumption) 14420 Mtoe 2018


14420 x 11,63 TWh or    14420 x (11,63 x 10v9 KWh)   1 KWh = 3410 BTU


14420 x 11,63 x 1 000 000 000 x 3410 BTU


= 571 872 686 000 000 000 BTU


0r 571,87 quadrillion BTU global total energy consumption ,

Related 24/365 solar radiation in BTU ? 82 million quads of BTU,for free ! 1 quad = 1 quadrllion BTU

Or solar radiation to planet Earth per year : 82 000/571,87 times the human statistical  energy consume

                                                            = 143,4 times

Upps, :-[ :-\ :'( ,Pardon-me,a calculation error above to see :

                                       82 000 000 (quads)/ 571,87 ( quads)  = 143 390 times

                     
                          I am not perfect,I am human ! With the right/ obligation to correct !







8% passengers light-duty vehicle transport/traffic part

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/light-duty-vehicles (https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/light-duty-vehicles)

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/ieo/pdf/transportation.pdf (https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/ieo/pdf/transportation.pdf)  BTU consume for 2040 preview : increase !




so we can remark that total passengers transport as  light-duty vehicle only participate with actually 8% by the caloric climate change !


Only use/driving(air conditioning/heating/cooling),not vehicle production included !



Even 8% to 4% halfing  = 96 % other energy consumption climate change sources will stay ,by growing world-population


        8% to 0,8% decimation = 92,2 % other climate change sources will stay !


10 billions human habitants with only 25% G7 actually material/energy habitant consume as social comfort demand : ? Earth in number !
Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 15, 2021, 04:04:08 PM
Am I un-fair in my treating from member Ufopolitics ?


https://overunity.com/15864/friedrich-luling-magnet-motor/msg560343/#new (https://overunity.com/15864/friedrich-luling-magnet-motor/msg560343/#new)

" This Lüling Motor research and development is not to start "commercializing it" !!"

commercializing : offen zu Markte tragen, openly presenting


         NOT ?                       AFFRONT !

He can apply for the "Overunity Prize",no doubt,I invite him !


But it is not the real "overunity.com-forum philosophy" target !

( Probably for some : " dem Establishment ans Bein pinkeln/ pee on the leg of the establishment "-Aktion )

My personal opinion,can be wrong !


The first target he would reach ,#60 : a cold process motor principle !


First success !



since vapor-driven (unmanned) mobile


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Verbiest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Verbiest)                             1672


 vapor-engine driven 3/4-wheel passenger mobiles


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas-Joseph_Cugnot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas-Joseph_Cugnot)                        1769        2019 : 250 YEARS AUTOMOBILE JUBILEE !


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Trevithick (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Trevithick)                               1801

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_L%C3%A9onard_Sadi_Carnot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_L%C3%A9onard_Sadi_Carnot)  1824

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertha_Benz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertha_Benz)                                       1888




https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19870512&CC=US&NR=4663939A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19870512&CC=US&NR=4663939A&KC=A)


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=8&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19970506&CC=US&NR=5626459A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=8&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19970506&CC=US&NR=5626459A&KC=A)


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19920428&CC=US&NR=5107682A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19920428&CC=US&NR=5107682A&KC=A)

Title: Re: The MAD MAX e-car
Post by: lancaIV on September 16, 2021, 12:21:45 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertha_Benz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertha_Benz)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_F-Cell_Roadster (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_F-Cell_Roadster)   1,2 KW e-motor Voltage ? DC or AC ?
https://web.archive.org/web/20160303222913/http://www.benevelli.it/files/Mercedes_Benz_Fuel_Cell_Project.pdf (https://web.archive.org/web/20160303222913/http://www.benevelli.it/files/Mercedes_Benz_Fuel_Cell_Project.pdf)

https://patents.google.com/patent/DE10011074A1/de (https://patents.google.com/patent/DE10011074A1/de)              1,5 KW 220 AC Volt


F-Cell :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19280203&CC=FR&NR=633752A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19280203&CC=FR&NR=633752A&KC=A)


Un exemple :
 il est avéré qu'un minuscule récipient cubique de o- 3o (le côté, d'un poils moyen de 15 kilogs, en pleine charge,
contient 55o éléments complets dont voici la puissance électromotrice Tension : 66o volts.


Intensité : 1,5 ampères pour une. Résistance intérieure : de 44o ohms. force qui ne se dégradant que de i !à volts par heure,
 laisse une marge de force utile lar gement suffisante pour entraîner un moteur de 1o HP à 15oo tours,
 durant 3o heures au minimum, force à peu près gratuite et renouvelable à tout instant par une simple réimbibition des sachets de charbon (opérable en quelques minutes).


660 V x 1,5 A = 990 VA
1 hp (french)=   735 W
10 hp  ergo  = 7350 W

how did in this time ,20s from last century,the engineers measured and "rated"electric engine power ,by continuous or peak power !?

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=FR&NR=633752A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19280203&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=FR&NR=633752A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19280203&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)
in the "original document" : yes,there - second page  -left side-   line 33-    to read  " 10 HP "


Much experimental freedom from RC-model to ECO-Marathon size vehicles to "conventional compact class car" development !


                                                   with human driver to virtual driver="autonomous"






                                     Yearly regional,national ECO-games to international ECO-games , development "Marathon"


                                     schools and universities : https://www.jugend-forscht.de/information-in-english.html (https://www.jugend-forscht.de/information-in-english.html)


                                                           senior (elders = U60 e-/in- ducation) universities ,too


                                                          VOLKSHOCHSCHULE
(Volk = Folk and Hochschule = University,to differ : High/Hoch-school/Schule= Oberschule: class 5-12/13)
                                                                                           Basic/Grund-school/Schule :                     class 1-4
or automatic translated https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Volkshochschule?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem,se (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Volkshochschule?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem,se)

                                               MADE IN ...... ::)

The Danish folk high school of (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Heimvolkshochschule?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem,se) Grundtvig style also had a lasting influence on the development of adult education centers in Germany .


  Nikolai Frederik Severin Grundtvig (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Nikolai_Frederik_Severin_Grundtvig?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem,se) is considered to be the founder of the first (home) adult education center in 1844.

  edit : influence probably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%B8ren_Kierkegaard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%B8ren_Kierkegaard)

  Germany : https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph_Kolping (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph_Kolping)
                   https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Abbe (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Abbe)

                   https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Weber (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Weber)
                   

Today adult education is understood as an organized form of lifelong learning (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Lebenslanges_Lernen?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem,se) .


 Adult education centers make a contribution to realizing the right to education (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Recht_auf_Bildung?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem,se) and equal opportunities (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Chancengerechtigkeit?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem,se) .
 
They derive their educational mandate from the principles of enlightenment (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Aufkl%C3%A4rung?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem,se) and human rights (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Menschenrechte?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem,se) . [3] (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Volkshochschule?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem,se#cite_note-3)
                                                                                     :o  illuminati ? ;)

The global social changes show the importance to be attached to adult education centers in the future.

Some ideas of the original community colleges can be found today in the concepts of national universities (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Volks-Uni?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem,se) .

24/365 open door  on-line community colleges/local house(Gemeindehouse ~ church/Kirche/Tempel/Academia)
                                                              " Volkshaus "
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkshaus_Jena (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkshaus_Jena)

https://www-bpb-de.translate.goog/apuz/26319/dritter-weg-und-kommunitarismus?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem (https://www-bpb-de.translate.goog/apuz/26319/dritter-weg-und-kommunitarismus?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem)
human rights

to human rights watch

to human rights and obligations watch

24/365

applied social liberalism

Yes,We can     or     Ja,Wir schaffen das

Die Welt auf der Suche nach "Seelen-Heil" ::)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.bibelwerk.at/dl/NNOrJmoJMLlJqx4KJKJmMJkLMk/Hilf_Herr.pdf (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.bibelwerk.at/dl/NNOrJmoJMLlJqx4KJKJmMJkLMk/Hilf_Herr.pdf)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERYY8GJ-i0I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERYY8GJ-i0I)
God-Estate or Estate by God !? socius/social with Ablativ-casus and Kants categoric Vocativ/Imperativ

                                            X = individuals inner voice/line  followed ' tit for tat'

                                                   Nature laws and Bioanalytics

                  caminho a/o  Sao Tome ( Archipel) or Dominikaner St.T. de Aquin : 'fair return' and Jesaja 32,17                   

            Duke University 75 Watt mobility / VW and other 172 000 W,continuous ? peak ?, power potential


                                  ...., ich will Spass/Fun,ich geb ( electrons/ions) gas,.....
                    solange es die (virtuelle) ECB-chase/case/caixa/Kasse, und deren Glaeubiger, noch erlaubt


US-F.E.D.- return program to Silver-Standart -Dollar, ECB : Silver-Standart-Euro !?
Actual capital uncovered Dollar and Euro nominal value cut ,old/new Dollars and old/new Euros ratio ? Top secret  ;)
European Banking( BG)  and Industry(IG) Union ( or Fusion ),


not only supervisory,but also ownership


V.olks E.igener B.etrieb  in G.D.R. ,here now ECB-E.B. ,commercial,financial,industrial


                                                  in U.S      F.E.D.-O.-E.  Owned Entity


 




 
the ECB first Frankfurt-headquarter : IG-(FARBEN)HAUS

IG-FARBEN ( Farbwerke Hoechst,BAYER,B.A.S.F. and +)
Lieferant des nicht A,nicht C,sondern als besonders human ausersehenen Gas-Gemisches des Zyklon B
DR-Kanzler und DR-Fuehrer A.Hitler,so ist es zu lesen,befahl :
( so weit wie moeglich) schmerzlosen Tod/Liquidierung  !


communitarism :    Unser Reich komme,UNSER Wille geschehe

 Dschihad catolico  ;D WELTENREICH,so weit wie moeglich  8)
                                          ICH habe SPASS


Hiro-Shima,die steinerne Treppenstufe,ehemals ein Mensch darauf,vor atomaren Schlag,nun ein "ewiger Schatten"

 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelmacher (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelmacher)


(Nielsen) Passanten-Frequenz


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2f29bKVNMQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2f29bKVNMQ)


units passage per volume  https://telefonzelle.de.tl/Telefonh.ae.uschen-TelH-78.htm (https://telefonzelle.de.tl/Telefonh.ae.uschen-TelH-78.htm)   volume = 2,3 cbm


Chamber


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=6&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19940707&CC=DE&NR=4312372A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=6&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19940707&CC=DE&NR=4312372A1&KC=A1)


Engel-Kammer (Plasma converter)


and/or


https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/wissen/Corona-Pandemie-folgt-altem-Naturprinzip-article22786704.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem (https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/wissen/Corona-Pandemie-folgt-altem-Naturprinzip-article22786704.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem)


Dem Ersten (kill the winner) immer Vortritt erlauben  ;D


research and science without limits !


https://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Scie/ScieGher.htm#:~:text=form%20of%20Science.-,Does%20Empirical%20Science%20have%20any%20limits%3F,unresolvable%20questions%2C%20they%20have%20sense.&text=It%20is%20shown%20not%20only,we%20have%20about%20the%20world (https://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Scie/ScieGher.htm#:~:text=form%20of%20Science.-,Does%20Empirical%20Science%20have%20any%20limits%3F,unresolvable%20questions%2C%20they%20have%20sense.&text=It%20is%20shown%20not%20only,we%20have%20about%20the%20world).


Does Empirical Science have any limits?


 The answer of the scientists is No: Science is unlimited.


There are no scientifically unresolvable questions, they have sense.

 The answer of the philosophers is not clear, but it is close to No.

It is shown not only in technology, and philosophers also claim, that Science is the best knowledge we have about the world.


 It seems clear, that Science will never reach an end.

                                                               Sado-/Maso relation


                                                                Master and servant
                                                                Servant and master
                                                             
                                                      science = visiting heaven and hell


                                                no questions anymore,100% satisfaction



                                                                   Todesengel
                                             https://deutsch.radio.cz/mengeles-zwilling-a-782-8109581 (https://deutsch.radio.cz/mengeles-zwilling-a-782-8109581)
                                             https://deutsch-radio-cz.translate.goog/mengeles-zwilling-a-782-8109581?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem (https://deutsch-radio-cz.translate.goog/mengeles-zwilling-a-782-8109581?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem)

https://sites.google.com/nxj.quererla.com/lopevobox01/epubpdf-download-mengele-the-complete-story-by-gerald-posner-book (https://sites.google.com/nxj.quererla.com/lopevobox01/epubpdf-download-mengele-the-complete-story-by-gerald-posner-book)


                                             

                                                      and to let not "shadow"-print behind


Hiro-Shima,die steinerne Treppenstufe,ehemals ein Mensch darauf,vor atomaren Schlag,nun ein "ewiger Schatten"


the world has to ways : ordered communitarism or

                                                                                      a. DAESH/IS  Raqqa-like anarchism (open concentration-camp)

                                                                                     https://theglobalcoalition.org/en/timeline-fall-daesh-raqqa/ (https://theglobalcoalition.org/en/timeline-fall-daesh-raqqa/)

                                                                                     b. youth estate-in the-estate like

                                                                                         https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_Salvatrucha (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_Salvatrucha)

                                                                                     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-13 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-13)



                                               https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Max_(film (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Max_(film))

                                                                               justice ?


                                                                        face-by-face

                                        or by remote controle/autonomous objects  ,the vengeance/retribution


                                              the individual decision case : subordination or suicide
                               

                                                        best/worst case preview and plannings




Dystopia


https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Fahrenheit_451?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem,se (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Fahrenheit_451?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem,se)

           how much reality the next generations have to receive by education ?

                   the "actually termed " social classes upper 50/lower 50