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Author Topic: The MAD MAX e-car  (Read 9437 times)

Offline lancaIV

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Re: The MAD MAX e-car
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2021, 08:21:00 PM »
Solar and wind tech are intermittent. 


They are most efficient as point of use and time of production use.


And the bridge to "permanent or periodic (on demand) artificial photo(n)=light-voltaic ,later thermo(Phonon)-photo(n)-voltaic,


and artificial wind turbine converter .




Artificial photovoltaic converter array


http://www.rexresearch.com/imris/imris.htm

At higher pressures, the device becomes Over Unity.( from physical values : this statement : wrong !)


  For instance, with a Xenon filled tube at 5,000 torr in a series circuit with 100  40 Watt fluoresent lamps (with a single wire going to each end of each lamp),
the optical generator pulls 332 Watts, with each lamp pulling 9 tenths Watt (at 5 Volts) for 3,200 lumens output (8.8 Watts) per tube - giving a total for the circuit of 880 Watts output for 442 Watts input.

and


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19900201&CC=DE&NR=3817730A1&KC=A1


instead End 80´ 5,25% conversion photovoltaic cells experimenting with 10-15-20,later 45% and more conversion efficiency


                                                                     Imris-Koehler tubes


with 15% efficiency cells : up to 100 tubes x 200 W output = 20 000 W per hour : for 442 Watts input.  :)


btw: by old unefficient 40 Watt fluorescent lamps technology ,Dr.Pavel Imris application priority date 7-23-1974




                                                                                     #36


  2400 Wh electric consume per day / 24 h      = 100 W net per hour electricity generation and storage = 2400 VAh battery


                                                              1x 200 Watt output tube is enough


I learned by my father (R.I.P.),I.N.S.E.A.D.-M.B.A. level ,also "No,Mr.d´Estaing (I.N.S.E.A.D. Decan G./O.d´E.),it is wrong !" courage
                                                                                      https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val%C3%A9ry_Giscard_d%27Estaing
                                                                                      https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivier_Giscard_d%27Estaing
                                                                                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INSEAD

and as https://www.investopedia.com/articles/professionals/011416/controller-job-description-average-salary.asp working


to work out in Physics "Laplace operator" and " The controller oversees the accounting operations of a machine".




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Kron    and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann applying


                                                 Kybernetik-Modulation


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybernetics   


 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kybernetik




artificial wind converter :


https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9318


dis-vantage : the load side does not controle the source side !


permanent/periodic generation possible , with blade rpm controlling and by this generator output controle ,but :


direct couple only in on/off manner ( f.e. heater in cold time /cooler in summer )


the same -for free use/universal- non-operational dis-vantage here ,artificial light conversion:


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=paul+heinrich+marzahn&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search


the output does not controle the source and also not the consumer side


the artificial solar and wind converter to see and use as battery charger and/or resistive loads charger




https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.udo-leuschner.de/basiswissen/SB124-05.htm  related #37

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Re: The MAD MAX e-car
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2021, 11:40:43 PM »
So this

"  For instance, with a Xenon filled tube at 5,000 torr in a series circuit with 100  40 Watt fluoresent lamps (with a single wire going to each end of each lamp),

the optical generator pulls 332 Watts, with each lamp pulling 9 tenths Watt (at 5 Volts) for 3,200 lumens output (8.8 Watts) per tube - giving a total for the circuit of 880 Watts output for 442 Watts input."

If valid...
combined 100 % efficiently, with a 51% efficient solar electric array,
would be unity ?
... ... ... ... ... ... ...
332 watts + (0.9 watts per lamp x 100) = 332 +90 = 422 watts input

3200 lumens = ? watts
 ? amount of radiant power = ? watts
I'm not sure what the conversion ratio is...

Offline lancaIV

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Re: The MAD MAX e-car
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2021, 01:17:16 AM »
So this

"  For instance, with a Xenon filled tube at 5,000 torr in a series circuit with 100  40 Watt fluoresent lamps (with a single wire going to each end of each lamp),

the optical generator pulls 332 Watts, with each lamp pulling 9 tenths Watt (at 5 Volts) for 3,200 lumens output (8.8 Watts) per tube - giving a total for the circuit of 880 Watts output for 442 Watts input."

If valid...
combined 100 % efficiently, with a 51% efficient solar electric array,
would be unity ?
... ... ... ... ... ... ...
332 watts + (0.9 watts per lamp x 100) = 332 +90 = 422 watts input

3200 lumens = ? watts
 ? amount of radiant power = ? watts
I'm not sure what the conversion ratio is...


https://overunity.com/16681/24365-solar-cell-output-theory-and-experiments/105/


https://petapixel.com/2016/06/02/primer-inverse-square-law-light/


the lumen per Watt formula is defined by 1 metre distance !

https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2016/06/lightfalloffsquare.jpg  1 metre to 10 cm distance ?


when by 1    metre distance   : (1/1)v2 x 38 lumen  =      38 lumen/Watt/sqm area x 35W  =     1330 lumen/sqm


             0,1 metre  distance  : (1/0,1)v2 x 38 lumen = 3800 lumen/Watt/sqm area x 35 W = 133 000 lumen/sqm

the importance : natural earth daylight intensity reached !


                        133 000 lumen   /   93 lm/W =       1430 W  daylight per hour and sqm


                         3200 lumens = ? watts    per tube ( and how -by which distance- measured ? ;) )

                                                                    by 1mtr. distance :           
   
                        3200 lumen / (93 lm/W) =  34,4 Watt by (442 W/100 tubes) 4,42 W each input
                         

                         3200 lumen / 1330 lumen fluorescent lamp  = 2,4 x 35 rated Watt = 84 rated Watt per tube !




now for right balancing : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum  and specific solar/thermic cell nm conversion optimum
« Last Edit: September 06, 2021, 03:18:22 AM by lancaIV »

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Re: The MAD MAX e-car
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2021, 03:11:05 AM »
power output in the form of visable light energy, which is equivalent to 84 watts of electric power
per flouescent tube.

100 tubes

8400 watts light output power.

Ok thanks for the links etcetera.
... ... ... ... ...
also for me to look into...
  spectrum of light  emission by tubes
    and
  spectrum of light absorption by "receiver / method"
... ... ... ... ...
         thanks
I will explore it further.
     regards
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Re: The MAD MAX e-car
« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2021, 03:14:01 AM »
3200 lumen output


a. conventional


b. with Dr. Imris generator


a. 3200 lumen permanent


b.  to periodic 3200 lumen peak ,stroboscope like ?

3200 lumen / (93 lm/W) =  34,4 Watt by (442 W/100 tubes) 4,42 W each input

8/1

https://patents.google.com/patent/US5130608A/en


Using Ohm's Law, these conditions would produce 100 watts of peak power.
Using Equation I, the average power in the Example 1 can thus be calculated, i.e., about 4 watts.


Assuming that the power dissipated in the module itself is approximately 8 watts, the total average energy consumed is the sum of energy expenditure due to load and energy dissipated in the working module, namely a grand total of about 12 watts.


100 W /12 W = near 8/1

 As is well-known in the lighting art, fluorescent light is perceived continuous at 60 cycles AC per second,


which is above the time-resolving ability of the eye or critical fusion frequency (CFF)




But :
the Koehler-artificial light converter works without "power saving modules" or opto-electric generator

and the photo-voltaic conversion efficiency is now in the 45% range


from original 70W/35 W lamp by 5,25% cell efficiency ,the ratio transforms by 15% to 200 W/35W and by 45% efficiency to 600 W/35 W


the original 35 W lamps now by same output in the 20-25 W range commercial available


Imris and Zahardis are optional improvements !


for stationary installation :


Koehler 1 battery to lamp to solar cell


to         2 cell output to lamp to solar cell


to         3  ..........


to         .....         


Watt,KW,MW cascade by lamp inrush Voltage ( often overseen !) and inrush Amperage attention and handling !

The 35 Watt lamp emitts 1330 lumen,by 1330 lumen/(93 lumen/W) this equates 14,3 Watt output
and by 5,25% radiation conversion efficiency 14,3 W x 0,0525 = 0,75 W electric solar cell output !     

     By conventional 1 metre distance calculation !
With 10 cm distance : 133 000 lumen/(93 lm/W) = 1430 Watts
With lower distance there is also a known effect in work : npn /pnp layer cells recombination time

      distance/time/speed(velocity) relationship,beside photons flow concentration


Learning to work with numbers :

when the FRG MEMS-TAR converts with 45% efficiency by natural daylight about 1330 W/sqm ( theoretical solarconstant) a 600 Watt AC output

the same MEMS- TAR has 10 W/sqcm potential ,converter cooled,=

                                     100 000 Watts per sqm ( 1 sqm = 10 000 sqcm)

100 000 Watts peak/ 600 W natural unconcentrated daylight output = 166/1

Not enough ? : Reversible Thermoelectric Converter,Joseph Yater               

                         practical 10v7 or 10 000 000 Watt/sqm output  or 1 KW per sqcm
                         theoretical 10v12

When we remember Alvin Marks his 1984 'lumilight'- light converter 10 US$ per sqm production price ,compare the Yater-converter in the same production process level,but with 2021 100 US$/sqm production costs :

10 000 US$cents/ 100 000 Wp(per sqm) = 0,1 US$cent/Wp               
                              /1 000 000 Wp                   = 0,01 US$cent/Wp
This was the quentron/quenco 1-0,1 US$¢/Wp target and is the Nano-Boxx double layer production concept,40US$/KW production costs anymore to seen as " cheap" !

Last point : fluorescent lamp 35 rated Watt with 38 lm/W
                                                         Luminosity,Helligkeit,S(c)h(e)in(e)     bright

when by  1 mtr distance                   1330 lumen per sqm    / ( 93 lm/W)

                0,1 mtr distance           133 000 lumen per sqm    / ( 93 lm/W)   but compressed/concentrated 1/100 sqm

                0,01 mtr distance    13 300 000 lumen per sqm   / ( 93 lm/W)     but compressed/concentrated 1/10 000 sqm
                     1 cm

                0,001 mtr distance  ;)
                        1 mm

        or near ' DISTANCE ZERO '

       fluorescent lamps with ' sputted ' thermionic dots layer   surface cover           

       Lamp : when r = 2 cm then  circumference 2x pi x r  = 12,56 cm x 100 cm lamp length = 1256 sqcm

      1 sqm = 10 000 sqcm / 1256 sqcm =~ 1/8 sqm thermionic cell



https://web.archive.org/web/20120903004151/http://whatistemperature.com/

Temperature or OE Frequency is measured in gigacycles/sec

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=12&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19880119&CC=US&NR=4720642A&KC=A

In the macro regime, conventional electrical theory applies with its concepts of resistance, resistive loss, capacitance.


 In the quantum regime an energy quantum is totally absorbed by an electron, producing an energetic electron which travels within its potential well, until it penetrates the tunnel junction.


Upon passing through the junction, the electron gives its energy to the electric field, becoming a thermal electron at a greater potential energy.
 Reverse current through the junction is constant, being limited by the junction structure and electric voltage. The forward current in the quantum regime is limited only by the input rate of energy quanta.
 Hence the forward/reverse current ratio of the Femto Diode may be very large.

The laws of physics which apply to large-scale electrical circuits in the macro regime are different from the quantum electrodynamic laws of physics in the quantum regime.
Because of the small current and time intervals concerned, individual electrons are utilized one at a time.
 In a Femto Diode, a single electron approaches the barrier travelling over submicron distances with an energy .xi.=h.nu.=Ve.
Consequently, no charge cloud forms at the insulating barrier, and there is therefore no capacitance effect.
The time constant equation is therefore not applicable to the submicron diode of the invention.

 The energetic electron in this case is a sole electron in a dipole antenna operating in the quantum regime. It is subject to quantum regime laws, which are different from the macro-regime RLC laws conventionally applied to antennae.
Since RLC circuit theory does not apply in the quantum regime, the properties of the well-step quantum analysis discussed in connection with FIGS. 3 and 4 applies. The dipole antenna length b is adjusted to a 1/4 cycle of the light frequency .lambda. so that b=.lambda./4n.



https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19941018&CC=US&NR=5356484A&KC=A


Up to 10 MW (or 10v7 W)/sqm






M.A.S.E.R. like


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19890524&CC=DD&NR=268331A5&KC=A5


up to 10v14 Watt/sqcm
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Re: The MAD MAX e-car
« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2021, 06:40:30 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5   nominal 250 W motor ,45 Kg   max 24 Km/h


https://citkar.com/de/ Loadster                 nominal 250 W motor,150 Kg   max 25 Km/h


https://www.cityq.biz/                              nominal 250 W motor,60 Kg     max 25 Km/h ,limited


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Paul Arzen electric Egg http://electricandhybridcars.com/images/uploaded/1evegg.jpg


L'Oeuf or Better known as the Electric Egg
In 1942, French auto designer, Paul Arzens designed an electric car that was instantly christened "L'Oeuf" (the egg), reflecting it's egg-shape.
Other eye catching features were the tiny wheels and the high proportion of the bodywork formed of curved transparent plexiglas.
The body itself weighed just 60 kg, although adding the electric rear mounted motor raised this to 90 kg.
Once batteries were added the vehicle weight was increased to 350 kg, allowing for a range of 63 miles at 44 mph.

2021 : the car body from aluminium to "recycled Oceanus plastics" ? 60 Kg as target
           the electric motor,reference Haeusler Zsolt 1500 W AC-220 V 4000 RPM by Schiller PAM Tech : max 5 Kg

           Loadster 150 Kg - (60 kg body and 5 Kg motor) = 85 Kg for the inverter-battery system


                                         E-Egg2025 for 2000 Euros ?






Why shall Politics not increase the street legal speed velocity for Pedelecs/Mo-Fa from 25 Km/h to the future common metropoles 30 Km/h max velocity/speed limit ?


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.e-bikeinfo.de/recht/gesetzliche-vorschriften-e-bikes-pedelecs


With support when pedaling up to a maximum of 25 km / h (plus tolerance) and a rated continuous output of the motor of 250 watts , pedelecs are considered bicycles .




S-Pedelec / E-Bike45              ancient          Mo-Ped


(= fast class up to 45km / h: two-wheeled moped EU category L1e-B, three-wheeled L2e or four-wheeled L6e)

Even if the fast S-Pedelecs do not have a high market share in this country, they are rightly enjoying increasing popularity. There are now a large number of models and engine variants. In Switzerland, for example, the proportion of S-Pedelecs is significantly higher than in Germany, primarily due to other laws.



Maximum supported speed: 45 km / h


NEW from 01.01.2017: According to the new EU type approval (EU regulation no. 168/2013), which applies from the beginning of 2017 and repeals the old regulation 2002/24 / EC, the vehicles can Class L1e-B, L2e and L6e provide up to  4 kW max.nominal  power or useful power



               the E-Egg2025 as  three-wheeled L2e ( by 500-1500 W motor) with pedals




Electric light moped / moped (formerly "e-bike" in the narrower sense)The market share of this class is negligible.Maximum speed 20 km / h with 500 watts maximum motor power.
No need to use your own muscle power.
Power control via e-throttle; the motor may have a maximum of 500 watts.
Minimum age 15 years, moped driving license and insurance license plate required.
There is no obligation to wear a helmet.
Use of cycle paths in urban areas only in exceptional cases in conjunction with the  “E-bike free” traffic sign , with which cycle paths for this same e-bike class (not S-Pedelecs) can be approved by the municipalities from 1.1.2017. E-bikes are generally allowed to ride on cycle paths outside of town.



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e-Egg for 2000 Euros,circa 100 Kg vehicle total weight


realization possibility by comparison


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/2020-new-model-e-trike-manila-for-sale-62221349480.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.4ff938acb2Sy61

450 US$/95 Kg

https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/battery-operated-electric-cargo-tricycle-with-heavy-loading-500kg-van-tricycle-for-delivery-e-trikes-62149442633.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt

750 US$/370 Kg

https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/exuberant-e-trike-for-indian-people-with-great-performance-1600146132970.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt

1750 US$/350 Kg


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/mobility-closed-m1-trike-m-1-e-car-electricscooters-new-electric-tricycle-1600118965036.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.6e6c38ac5HBavt

1450 US$/155 Kg


5-10 US$/Kg etrike means by 100 Kg weight E-Egg by chinese production condition a selling price between 500-1000 US$ each


as " 30 Km/h speed max" city-share-mobile ( max. 45 Km/h speed limit )or rent easy affordable

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Re: The MAD MAX e-car
« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2021, 10:46:43 AM »
Arzen e-Egg weight list 1942 : 60 Kg body (included wheels)


                                         + 30 Kg (calculating 1942 e-motor performance with 3 KW )


2021                                      7,5 Kg permanent magnet e-motor  2021          +      ?


http://www.schillergy.com/pdf/schiller-energy.pdf pm e-motor weight reference

+ 350 Kg lead battery with average 35 Wh/Kg = 12 250 Wh or 12,25 KWh total



    2021 battery weight decrease potential :                                     


 


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20021231&CC=US&NR=6501093B1&KC=B1


and citing documents ((who is working in that level spectrum ?!)


                             the target for 1942 range :                    12 250 Wh or 12,25 KWh


                              A. Marks ENSOR battery : 15 KWh/Kg

                     from 350 Kg by scientifical theory down to 1 Kg for same power storage and drive range

                                                                                            12,5 Kg https://overunity.com/18215/innolith-battery-1000-whkg/

we can assume 1942 electric motor efficiency performance with < 50% average ( comparing with pure electromagnetic motor 2021 NORM !)


I take a conventional 2021 permanent magnet motor with average 85% efficiency,modify the winding with Imris capacitive windings :


50% Arzen e-motor / ( 85% PM motor x 2 Imris improvement factor) = 0,3 energy storage decrease factor for same 1942 range


                                                                                          12,5 Kg Innolith x 0,3 = 3,75 Kg or 3750 Wh


                                                                                            1,0 Kg ENSOR x 0,3  = 0,3 Kg  or  4500 Wh


Now to accomplish : e-motor AC Volta-age to battery DC or AC Volt-age output in-/con-verter weight ,for above 3 KW we can assume


by modified sine wave output :  3 KW/ 3 Kg inverter  ( 10 US$/Kg selling price alibaba e-store fob factory )


by pure sine wave output       :  3 KW/10 Kg inverter                "      "     "     "    "     "     "     "     "


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for electric motors modified inverter sufficient !


1942 total car weight


60 Kg car chassis/body + 7,0 Kg e-pm motor + 3 Kg  modified sine wave 12V/220 V inverter  + ? Kg battery


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instead Schiller -like pm motor


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20091130&CC=PT&NR=104078A&KC=A


nominal 5 KW for 5 Kg weight ,consume reducement factor : 0,1 ( cw/ccw capacity circuit)


with weight decrease the total vehicle drive performance changes (from 44 mph 1942 to 60 mph) but also the static on road


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZTxu4uj1bc  ( Adieu JPB : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO2xJxu_4tQ )


 probably the car need now ballast ! (water tank or sand/stone/cement storage )


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a simple e-vehicle EMD cycle



https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19881103&CC=DE&NR=3713965A1&KC=A1


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20190328&CC=DE&NR=112017003611A5&KC=A5

The invention is designed in a technically simple device and consists of two batteries and a band capacitor and a transformer or an electromagnet in a circuit between two batteries and the band capacitor only shuttles the electrical energy back and forth according to the preamble of the main claim.

                                                              shuttle = displaces


the first battery is charged by the brake energy recuperation from the Rust motor-generator couple generator action and is amplifying the battery 1 load  by the capacitive winding transformer and charging the second battery which loads the Rust motor


circuit 2 :   


                 Gordon James motor-generator couple performance claim 100 in and 30 recapture by generator


                 Peter Rust                                                            claim  100 in and 50 recapture (" doubling the range " ) by generator



Rust motor from motor-generator couple with Imris capacitive winding  50 in and 50 recapture by generator


                                                                       "       "      "      "        50 in and 66,6 recapture by generator with Arestov double windings


                                                                                                       50 in and 88    recapture by generator with Arestov double windings
         
                                                                                                                                                               with D. Yurth coating






The Peter Rust motor with :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20130314&CC=US&NR=2013062983A1&KC=A1


and Imris capacitive winding






with


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20200205&CC=MX&NR=2019010053A&KC=A


and Imris capacitive windings




The Peter Rust generator from the motor-generator couple with/as :


Tudor-Frunzi or Kango Iida or Kumar or Akio Hara concept ( these all + Arestov double windings)
and David Yurth generator winding coating :


                                                           50 to 100+ recuperation


                                                         "circuits in a circuit" system


the basic e-Egg with limited range 500 - 1000 US$ by chinese production costs


the         e-Egg with limitless range 1500 -2000 US$ by chinese production costs


2000 US$ / 1,15 =           


                                        < 2000 Euros the limitless range e-Egg,fob factory price




                                                                            q.e.d.




btw : https://patents.google.com/patent/US20090079393A1/en


        alibaba commerce-platform :


        modified sine wave 12V /220 V inverter sufficient ? 3 KW nominal inverter price begins with 30 US$ each,new !


        pure       sine wave 12/220 V inverter need     ?      3 KW                                                   90 US$






        + charger !? http://www.bticcs.com/   were also sold by conradelectronics   https://www.conrad.de/de/c/ladegeraete-14719.html


        Kit-+ software costs for DIY 2021 ? individual/bulk price !

And no worry,I read the Ozkan publication correctly : there 12 VDC/110 VAC

220 AC Volt in average - network losts = working 200 AC + and - Volt  - real negative power factor ( from source/back to source circuit) = 100 + Volts = 100 "historical " cells" called Daniell-Elements

the battery better cells-battery/-group  represents the nuclear,gas,coal,solar,wind,... power plant

inverter,charger = provider electronical distribtion network




modified Rust-verter + Ozkan battery-set + https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=15379


Ferreira cap-winding motor + Ozkan battery-set +   "    "    "    "   "


Ferreira cap-winding motor-generator couple + Ozkan battery-set


the variation potential is nearly limitless for limitless range mobility


and "open source" = NO MONOPOL-energy/electricity industry anymore


This drive system micronizing for smartbike

like https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor-Doping


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://ebike-news.de/ultraleichtes-e-bike-mit-97-kg-rennrad-vivax-veloce/1685/






850 Gr. weight for nominal 100 W continuous/ 200 W peak   ,depends clearly from rated RPM and Voltage  !


https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/bikes/electric-bikes/gruber-assist-kit-review/  we read  at its maximum setting of 90rpm[/font][/size]



Schiller PAM motor :  rated  1   KW  3000 RPM for 12 Volt = 2 Kg


                               rated  0,1 KW  3000 RPM                = 0.2 Kg 


                               rated  0,1 KW and 3000 to 1. 1500 RPM  to 2. 750 RPM  to 3. 375 RPM  to 187,5 RPM 

                                                                      to 100 RPM

                               5 x weight doubling steps =     6,4 Kg              higher Voltage lesser weight

                                From mass production to each unit selling price 250 Euros


                               The Gruber micromotor kit price ( low production serie )  : 1800 Euros

                               Decreaseable by margin factor 6-8 to 1,5 = 1800/5 x0,5 mass production costs advantage

                               = 180 Euros per kit ( without battery)


                               Economical comparison :

                               The circa 50 Euros Li Yng 4x conventional 4 cheap toy-micromotor transmission

                                equates actually this weight decrease by power savings,1800 Euros misinvestment !

                             






https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/europe-warehouse-cheap-wholesale-adult-portable-foldable-folding-standing-two-wheel-battery-electrico-e-electric-scooters-62582820699.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.4ff938acHcsCTX&s=p


or


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/freego-es-18-36v-motor-brushless-e-bike-loading-120kg-three-wheels-ce-approved-e-bike-trikes-1600095399728.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.4ff938acHcsCTX


as citycart minimum  ;)   who needs enclosed spaces  ;D


  there is no such thing as bad weather, just wrong clothes
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Re: The MAD MAX e-car
« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2021, 06:13:04 PM »
About etrikes battery life-time ,especially lithium-related :

https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-808-how-to-prolong-lithium-based-batteries

assumption 15 000 Km per year and 500 Wh/25 Kg with for example 100 US$/KWh LiFEPo battery


 with 3000 cycles as Ozkan-battery set source :


3000 x 0,8 net KWh = 2400 KWh/KWh battery


15 000 Km/25 Km = 600 x 0,5 KWh = 300 KWh per year consume and 2400 KWh/300 KWh = 8 years longitivity


with 250 US$/KWh Lithium Titan Oxid battery and 25 000 cycles = net up to 70 years longitivity


or etrike net e-motor power increase alternative or higher drive range per annum




Alu-graphene battery with 250 000 charge cycles : high motor power,high drive range per annum and longitivity = all in one






                                    storage costs without electricity calculation


LiFePo are with 30 US$cents per cycle several times over b2b electricity costs about 5,5 US$cents/KWh gridprice US


LithiumTitanOxid ( LTO) with 1 US$cent per cycle under b2b electricity costs,25 000/40 000 charge cycles


Kilowattlabs superbattery commercial actually with 0,1 US$cent/KWh the lowest electricity storage costs,1 000 000 charge cycles








                                                        2015 in the news ( for the beyond Lithium society )

New battery charges in under a minute and still performs perfectly after being recharged thousands of times


https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/super-fast-charging-aluminium-batteries-ready-to-take-on-lithium/8427.article

This battery lost very little of its storage capacity after 7000 cycles, making it far superior even to lithium-ion batteries, which last for about 1000 cycles. Perhaps most remarkably, the battery can safely be completely recharged in less than 60 seconds.

                                                        2021 for comparison


https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/04/29/graphene-aluminum-ion-batteries-with-ultra-fast-charging/


https://www.azonano.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=5753


GMG plans to bring a graphene aluminum-ion coin cell to market in late 2021 or early 2022.
These can fully charge in under one minute


battery VAh /loader W  ratio  for this short time ?


we see some other battery improvements anode and cathode related :


https://www.nanograf.com/


https://biosolar.com/


https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=13385 20 US$/Kg 100 000 cc and 2 US$/Kg 10 000 cc

Price for 1 Kg aluminium and graphit/graphene/silicon battery ? With 10 000 - 250 000 charge cycles ?




https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.ewe-go.de/blog/magazin/schnellladesaeulen_ein_ueberblick/



CCS (Combo 2) : This is the European standard. This type of plug usually enables a charging power of mostly 50 to 200 kW, and up to 300 kW on turbo fast charging stations


CHAdeMO : This type of plug can be found on many Asian electric vehicles.
 CHAdeMO offers up to 100 kW charging power.



https://www.log9materials.com/


2000 Wh battery with 8000 W load in 15 minutes full 

                                4000 W load in 30 minutes

                                1500 W load in 80 minutes conventional power socket


             
                                            for commercial delivery and mobile-share  entities :


the 8000 W fast load ( from 1500 W socket ) can be realized based by Dr.Imris his electric transformer, nominal 8 KW for 1500 Euros


the 4000 W fast load  (from 1500 W socket ) can be realized          by Tanaka Saburo his transformer set ,nominal 5 KW for 500 Euros
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« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2021, 04:43:37 PM »
" .... LiFePo are with 30 US$cents per cycle several times over b2b electricity costs about 5,5 US$cents/KWh gridprice US ... "


This 30US$cent/charge cycle gives us one alibaba-seller as information,not by me calculated !


In a LIFePo/Lead costs per cycle comparison !


Misterious : for its 90 US$/KWh capacity and given 3000 charge cycles claiming !

                           9000 US$cents / 3000 charge cycles = 3 US$cents per charge cycle !


                           Calculation error ?


                           Under ? % DOD condition,US$/KWh storage cycle ?

                   
                           " Long Life Cycle" under DOD %
                            https://sc04.alicdn.com/kf/H02430787f3de4dd5918e57fe8b850d601/252429187/H02430787f3de4dd5918e57fe8b850d601.jpg

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Lithium-Battery-Deep-Cycle-3000-Lfp_1600325477370.html?spm=a2700.7735675.normal_offer.d_title.674720f8TasyxB&s=p

250 US$/KWh Lithium Titan Oxid and 25 000 charge cycles : US$/charge cycle ? US$/KWh storage cycle ? ? % DOD charge cycle ?

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Lithium-Titanate-Lto-Battery-Lto-Lto_62266056381.html?spm=a2700.7735675.normal_offer.d_title.1c4620f8byl6Il&s=p

for the same battery given charge cycles  ::)

1.  Cycle life:  3,000 times


2.    Long Circle Life :
80% capacity after 25,000 times life for 100% DOD charging/discharging.  First 10 years used on electrical vehicles and also another 20 years on energy storage system products.

250 US$/KWh capacity / 3000 cc    or    / 25 000 cc ?  8,33 cents per KWh or 1 cent per KWh ?! Storage costs !

The industry does not offer compareable and detailed numbers !

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Re: The MAD MAX e-car
« Reply #39 on: September 09, 2021, 06:08:43 PM »

2000 Wh battery in 15 minutes fast charging

https://www.log9materials.com/




to 1 minute super-fast charging

https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/super-fast-charging-aluminium-batteries-ready-to-take-on-lithium/8427.article


https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/04/29/graphene-aluminum-ion-batteries-with-ultra-fast-charging/




to load-/battery exchange center concept :


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.24auto.de/news/neuheiten/acm-city-one-elektro-wechsel-akkus-adaptive-city-mobility-muenchen-preis-reichweite-90900048.html

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.eon.de/de/pk/e-mobility/ladestation-elektroauto.html




and the question : useable as super-fast charging generator/s


https://patents.google.com/patent/US8847720B2/en



Generator Rating Per Hour and Observations
The cyclic output per second is multiplied by 3600 to indicate the generator's hourly rating.
 Thus, at 400 Hz=60.7 Kva/h;
at 800 Hz=121.4 Kva/h;
at 3 KHz=460.8 Kva/h;
at 6 KHz=921.6 Kva/h;
at 60 KHz=9.26 Mw/h;
at 600 KLHz=92.166 Kw/h;
at 780 KHz=119.7 Mw/h.
A large home typically requires 15-20 Kva AC; an electric automobile 20-30 Kva DC.




and/or


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19881020&CC=WO&NR=8808220A1&KC=A1
From the above example it is evident that, with a coil 82 having 5000 ampere windings, a flux variation of 5000000 ampere windings can be generated with the superconducting coil 84.
Accordingly, a generated power of 990 kW can be drawn from the terminals 89 for a power supplied to the connecting terminals 88 of 1 .
 1 kW, and this corresponds to a power gain of approximately a factor of 1000.


Private household load stations are in the up to 22 KW range,public station in Europe up to 300 KW



The two above shown publications are with beyond the public 300 KW potential !


In future private household electricity tanking/depositing like actually butan-/propangas bottles exchange by battery change (empty  bringing and full taking ) or own battery super-fast in average "less 1 minute" load/charge !

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« Reply #40 on: September 09, 2021, 10:28:03 PM »
step by step to the MADE MAX car/e-mobile :


http://www.evalbum.com/314


12 V x 70 Ah battery = 840 VAh for 49 Km range                     840 VAh / (40 VAh/Kg) = > 20 Kg battery-weight


                               = 840 VAh / 49 Km


                               = 1715 VAh for 100 Km range


rated ! nominal battery capacity/power storage !


https://simpliphipower.com/company/news/blog/know-your-battery-specs-nameplate-capacity-10-kwh-vs-usable-capacity-7-kwh/


https://simpliphipower.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/comparison-depth-of-discharge-between-lead-acid-and-lithium-battries-simpliphi-power-1920-351.png


                                                                      LEAD ACID BATTERY


1715 VAh x 0,4 (for 40% DOD ) =686 VAh real available  1715 VAh x 0,35 (for 35% DOD) = 600 VAh available





in Lavenami used 1,5 KW 12 V DC motor conversion efficiency ? Compared 2021 average/best performance  ?


600 Watt-hour consume for 100 Km and 150 Watt per hour by 25 Km/h,net(to) !?





1500 Watt 12V DC 1.change  to 1500 Watt 220V AC !   2nd change : 1500 W 220 AC with capacitive winding !


300 Wh                         for 100 Km  and  75 Watt per hour by 25 Km/h


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from simple to all-in-one-experimental concept


Ferreira capacitive winding motor ,by belt RPM step down


60 Wh                         for 100 Km   and 15 Watt per hour by 25 Km/h


And the Kosovo Uni Prof. Todorovic his recuperation generator ?


        consume by            steady                                            30 Km/h
     
                                                                                           35 Km/h


                                                                                           40 Km/h  ( Lavenami speed max )


                                                                                           70 Km/h   GarWood supercar and Arzen speed max

 


from 20 Kg+ Lead Acid battery weight to 7,5 Kg LTO or LiFePo ( a min. 150 Wh/Kg) and max 5 Kg modified or pure sine wave inverter

 


                                                                  "15 Watt per hour by 25 Km/h "


can also a simple Koehler artificial light conversion tube 70 Watt(5,25% eff),140 W(10% eff),200 W(15 % eff) per hour
                                                                 and the battery recharging

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Re: The MAD MAX e-car
« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2021, 11:21:03 AM »
#44 : Arzen its e-Egg nominal 12,25 KWh lead battery capacity by weight ( 350 Kg given weight x assumpted 35 Wh/Kg)


                                         x


https://simpliphipower.com/company/news/blog/know-your-battery-specs-nameplate-capacity-10-kwh-vs-usable-capacity-7-kwh/


https://simpliphipower.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/comparison-depth-of-discharge-between-lead-acid-and-lithium-battries-simpliphi-power-1920-351.png


                                        = 12,25 KWh x 0,35 / 0,8 = 5,36 KWh available/need of electric energy/power


                                       Lead-to-Lithium comparison (beyond Lithium : Natrium and/or Alu-Graphene and ...)


                                                                                      x


1942 pure electro-magnetic electric motor with average <50% average energy conversion efficiency to 2021 average 90% pm electric motor

                                             

                                       = +- 3 KWh electric consume for circa 100 Km drive

                                 Gar/field Woods supercar performance ? with lead-to-Lithium ?

                          https://www.autoweek.com/car-life/a31095213/gar-woods-many-talents/

                           like Arzen the car performance : but 3,6 KWh by higher car body weight

                          Woods chassis remebers dune "buggy"-chassis https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW-Buggy


Now compareable with #43 2021 known or in sell ( compareable by weight and range )concepts their consume per 100 Km/25 Km per hour


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5   nominal 250 W motor ,45 Kg   max 24 Km/h


https://citkar.com/de/ Loadster                 nominal 250 W motor,150 Kg   max 25 Km/h


https://www.cityq.biz/                              nominal 250 W motor,60 Kg     max 25 Km/h ,limited


Not to forget the e-Egg total weight reducement and energetic consume decrease and speed potential increase effect !



                                                       +- 3 KWh electric consume

                                                  battery capacity by power/weight ratio :
                                                        conventional,in research

            / 150 Wh/Kg                      / 250 Wh/Kg               / 500 Wh/Kg            / 1000 Wh/Kg           / 15 000 Wh/Kg




                                          -  brake energy recuperation and/ or on-board generator


                                          -  electric-motor improvement




                10 X e-Eggs a 100 Kg (or less ),two-seater = 1 X 1 ton heavy electric car

                   1000 - 2000 US$                                                    25 000 US$



...

                          3 KWh per 100 Km /2 electric motor improvement  divided speed/velocity=time :


                                                      / 4 magnetic diode + cap-winding motor


                                                      / 10 pure capacitive winding cycle motor




                                                        Nano-Boxx 0,1 - 1 KW (per hour) unit potential !

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« Reply #42 on: September 10, 2021, 12:40:32 PM »
https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/12v-12000-rpm-motor.html


-2 US$ each ,fob factory, for assembly  :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19951107&CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citedDocuments?CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19951107&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP


we read : Garfield Wood  ;)


Lavenami with 2x 4 motors transmission couple = ENOUGH ,included hills up and hills down


http://www.evalbum.com/314


to http://www.evalbum.com/motor


 Gas engines are rated at their peak hp, electric motors are rated at their continuous hp.


The peak hp of an electric motor is usually 8to 10 times its continuous rating.




and calculate with nominal and maximal power output , electrical and/or kinetical


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_K%C3%A4fer
f.e. 19 KW IC-engine  Zuendapp-Volkswagen   /8 to 10        to electric motor KW = 2,0-2,5 KW nominal


Kraft durch Freude Der KdF-Wagen  less than 19 KW,      only ICE 18 kW !  / 8-10 =  nominal 2 KW electric motor

VW 30 (Porsche Typ 60 1936/37)                                   only ICE 16 KW !  / 8-10 =  nominal 1,6-2,0 KW electric



                                                    the nominal electric motors number now trans- and understand-able ,is it not ?

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001207&CC=DE&NR=10011074A1&KC=A1


                                                      1,5 KW AC

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001020&CC=FR&NR=2792258A1&KC=A1

                                                      2 KW, 4x 500 W





                                                     EVOLUTION by numbers RE-ENGINEERING




p.s. : https://documento.mx/preview/nikola-tesla-electric-car-part-1-5c117d5b7957e


                                    page 7


Please note that none of the manufacturers of electric cars ever installed a D.C. generator. This would have put a small charge back into the batteries as the car moved about and would have thereby increased its operating range. This was considered by some to be approaching perpetual motion - and that, of course, was utterly impossible! Actually, D.C. generators would have worked and helped the electric car cause.


the light machine in cars  is a generator,is it not ? DC or AC ? since when installed,part from cars equipment !?








Volksroller or https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespa
                   
                                 Internal Combustion Engine peak hp to nominal electric motor W


3,2 ICE hp to 2,4 ICE KW to /(8 to 10 = average 9) = nominal/rated  0,27 KW electric motor


5    ICE  hp the VESPA 125 version                          = nominal/rated  0,5   KW  electric


                                                                               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioWv_sePLU0  nominal 350 Watt e-bike/Mo-Fa

                                                                               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf31fQJVWOU   ic to nominal 750 W e-bike

                                                                               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwX1vGQIwqk over-powered ? or TOP GUN  8)


                                                                               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1SWRb_7f48 OMG, 2000 W nominal  :o




https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Kabinenroller


                  ICE 2,5 hp/PS to 1,88 ICE KW to /8-10 = 200 -250 W nominal electric motor ( C5 Sinclair level )

This was followed by the installation of a Riedel engine from the Imme motorcycle with 98 cm³ and 4.5 hp, which helped the vehicle, which was built in 154 units by December 1951, to a top of 75 km / h.


                  ICE 4,5 hp/PS to 3,35 ICE KW to /8-10 = nominal/rated  400 Watt electric motor

                                                                       13 ICE hp translated :


  NOMINAL 1500 W ELECTRIC MOTOR PERFORMANCE LEVEL : World records with the Messerschmitt KR 200 "Super"

                               so that in second gear about 80, in third 100 and in fourth over 120 km / h were reached.


                                                    The top speed is said to have been 130–140 km / h.
                                                   
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5


Enthusiasts have established owners' clubs and some have modified their vehicles substantially, adding bigger wheels, jet engines, and high-powered electric motors to propel their C5s at speeds of up to 150 miles per hour (240 km/h). 8)



( by weight and speed max we can compare and state the Lavenami 1,5 KW electric motor as over-powered )


 not to forget : to get for conversed vehicles street use legality ! Approvement !


In some countries (professional car industry protection !) " (general) operating licence/operation permit "-process X times more expensive than the conversion parts /total vehicle value !







now :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19951107&CC=US&NR=5463914A&KC=A


An equation for calculating the torque of a general motor is shown as below:


 ##EQU1## Wherein T stands for torque,HP stands for horse power,N stands for rev./min.


In general, for conventional motors of 1 HP and 3 HP, the power consumptions are 746 W/H and 2238 W/H.


 These motors can be operated at high speed with low output torque or operated at low speed with larger torque, no matter how it operates, the power consumptions thereof are respectively 746 W/H and 2238 W/H.


In comparison, when a DC 12 V mini motor with full load capacity 25 g, 560 mA, running at 13340 rev./min is used, a plurality of such motors can be assembled and operated in association with a suitable number of down-speed gear sets so as to obtain proper operation speed.


The power consumptions thereof in the same conditions as above, are compared with the conventional motors to conclude that at most only one eleventh of the power consumed in above cited motors is required.




                                  R- EVOLUTION by numbers RE-ENGINEERING




p.s.:                                                    a car for the youth ?


 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/autokatalog/marken-modelle/vw/vw-id-2/


         The study’s electric motor has an output of 172 kW / 234 hp and accelerates from 0 to 100 km / h in 6.9 seconds , with a top speed of 180 km / h.

             172 electric KW to x 8 to ten times factor for internal combustion engine KWs = average 1500 ICE KW or 2000 hp/PS


                                      Contemporary ? ZEIT(GEIST)GEMAESS ? Intelligent or FOUL ?

                      https://at.wikiqube.net/wiki/Iso_(automobile) Iso Isetta bubble-car https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Isetta

                              10 hp (7 KW)  BMW : 12-13 hp ( 8,8-9,6 KW) combustion engine peak power


                                                  equates       +- nominal  1,5 KW electric motor KW


                                                                 but: as remake

                                                     https://microlino-car.com/de/microlino
                                                        11 KW e-motor , peak 90 Km/h

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nao3Pc85n-A                                     https://www.opel.de/fahrzeuge/rocks-e/uebersicht.html
     nominal 6 KW                                                                                                       nominal  6 KW e-drive

                    VW ID.LIFEbystupids Electric motor, 172 kW / 234 PS, 290 Nm torque
 
                    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_K%C3%A4fer ic-engine x 100 times = 1600 hp to 1900 hp ICE peak power

                                                 Engineering error ! IDIOTIE MIT FREUDE der KdF-Werkler !

                   social and economical mis(s)-management : 1 X VW ID = 10 X well organized e-cars by material and power saving

                      Which parents will pay for their child/s eqi1000 PS+ -Boliden ? Volks-Diabolos !
                      Die deren Kind/-er hassen,womoeglich - und - schnell loswerden wollen !? ::)


                      VW ID.Life : der e-Zyklon unter all den Zyklonen (A,B,C,......) Fahr Heil !
                                              From point A to point B :

                                                     Two EXTREMES :

Eco-Marathon Duke University nominal               75 Watt      electric motor vehicle

VW ID.LIFE                                   nominal      172 000 Watt     electric motor vehicle




                                                                             
                                                      Clube of Rome :                 Die Grenzen des Wachstums

                                                                     Praeambel der physischen  Oekonomie :                         
                                   Den geringstnoetigen Aufwand zu/bei  hoechstmoeglichen Ertrag

                                                                        In Zeit,in Masse(Volumen)

                                         Es ward einst ein Volk der (Ver-)Dichter und ( Voraus)Denker

                                         Tesla ( Motor/AC Propulsion ) Inc. with same bad performance as VW !
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Re: The MAD MAX e-car
« Reply #43 on: September 10, 2021, 10:22:39 PM »
Duke University          75 Watt electric motor vehicle


VW ID               172 000 Watt electric motor vehicle




(75 W x 10) + (172 000 W / 10) = 750 W + 17 200 W = 17 950 W /2 =


                                           nominal 9000 W physical AVERAGE ,9 KW


Like Tesla Motors began ,based by existent technologies and models (Lotus Engineering )


we take an "open source" = free available technology platform : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loremo


                                                                                             https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loremo
                                                                                                     6 kWh Strom je 100 km


https://www.sueddeutsche.de/auto/oeko-mobile-3-loremo-ls-der-neue-leicht-sinn-1.545433#:~:text=Eine%20kleine%20M%C3%BCnchner%20Autoschmiede%20zeigt,schnittig%2C%20schnell%20und%20%C3%A4u%C3%9Ferst%20sparsam.


Eine kleine Münchner Autoschmiede zeigt, dass es auch anders geht: Loremo LS ist ein 1,5-Liter-Fahrzeug, das nicht nur richtig klasse aussieht, sondern mit nur 20 PS sportlich-dynamischen Fahrspaß verspricht.


A small Munich car manufacturer shows that there is another way: Loremo LS is a 1.5-liter vehicle that not only looks great, but also promises sporty, dynamic driving fun with just 20 hp.




                                Internal Combustion Engine horse-power peak ! 15 ICE KW peak !


                                     Electric Motor a. DC ? b. AC,Hz ?   nominal/rated ? KW


           Eberhard https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_Propulsion and Eberhard Tesla Motor  and later the Elon Musk participation


In Malaysia ( Muslime estate) the nominal 9 KW e-drive Loremo with unlimited range technology for end consumer 5000 Euros price,net, industrial,mass production,realizeable !


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://whokilledthe3litercar.de/loremo.htm


Sämtliche Patente wurden von Loremo schlicht fallen gelassen, so dass sämtliches Wissen und sämtliche Entwicklungswerte in meiner Person vereint sind und der Aurilion Design GmbH zur Verfügung stehen.


All patents were simply dropped by Loremo, so that all knowledge and all development values ​​are united in my person and are available to Aurilion Design GmbH.


But the in the patent publications claims free , restriction-free use and fee-free, DE-national and international ,WO/EP and .....  !


https://whokilledthe3litercar-de.translate.goog/eauto.htm?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=ajax,se,elem&_x_tr_sch=http


Under what circumstances can electrically powered mobiles have environmentally beneficial effects?The answer is very simple: when they are appropriately small, light, aerodynamic and economical. In particular, the battery should be as small and light as possible and the motor should also not be too powerful (and therefore heavy and contain copper).

These criteria apply primarily to e-bikes, but in a similar way also to e-scooters and small electric motorcycles. They also apply to ultra-light electric cars, such as the unfortunately "extinct" City-El from Citycom.
In the case of such small vehicles, there is also the "beneficial" fact that correspondingly small internal combustion engines are significantly less efficient than internal combustion engines with larger cylinder volumes.


The most harmful effect of electric cars comes from pure information!

The most damaging impact electric cars currently have has nothing to do with the direct environmental impact of these vehicles. And it probably also explains the high status that electric cars are currently playing in the public debate.
Together with hydrogen cars and other nonsensical concepts, they dominate the public discussion in such a way that all other significant questions regarding more sustainable mobility are almost completely ignored.
When was the last time you heard of the call for SUVs and minivans to finally end up in the trash can? Except on this page, have you ever read about the fact that 3-liter cars are being withdrawn from the market for no reason at all, have you heard that anyone publicly cried for these really more sustainable cars?
Can you see it! Instead, for decades we have only been talking about a supposedly sustainable type of vehicle, which, because of its high production costs, can only be raised to market shares between one per thousand and one percent with massive funding. On the other hand, assuming a positive mention in the press, 3-liter cars would have the chance to easily make up 30% of the total vehicle fleet.


The effects on the reduction of fossil fuel consumption and CO2 production would be considerably more serious than in the case of the promised 1 million mark for electric cars in 2020, even if they have no other environmental impact and if they do not cause any CO2 elsewhere would.

This argument doesn't actually speak against electric cars. But it speaks against these being elevated to the SOLE remedy for our ecological problems. And it speaks against the fact that large electric cars like those from Tesla and the other automakers are still rated positively at all!



                                                                                    an opinion !

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« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2021, 02:53:50 PM »
 http://web.archive.org/web/20051216094710/www.loremo.com/daten.htm


https://www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/sparwunder-loremo-leicht-und-luftig-a-505705.html


Mass production number at first :  Jährlich seien zunächst einmal 10.000 Autos denkbar.
                                                            Initially 10,000 cars a year are conceivable.

GM,Toyota,VW,Stellantis selling units per annum : each in the 5 000 000 +

                                                         20 000 000+ the TOP4 / 10 000 units  ::)   


  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loremo
                       6 kWh Strom je 100 km


                     included brake energy recuperation ? e-Loremo weight ! 600 Kg ?


Reva NXG concept car weight https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahindra_Electric


37 KW rated AC motor:   12 KWh/100 Km electric consume - 3 KWh/100 Km brake energy recuperation = net 9 KWh/100 Km consume


                                                                            Reva NXG weight ! 825 Kg !


                                                       
                                                                           compared :


Arzen e-Egg performance : 12,25 KWh lead-acid battery x 0,35  DOD = 4,3 KWh x 0,5 electric motor 1942 efficiency = 2,15 KWh/100 Km


                                                                                   /0,8 DOD Lithium          /0,9 pm motor 2021                      = 3 KWh /100 Km


                                                          3 KWh /100 Km consume less brake energy recuperation ?


                                                          2,5 KWh/ 100 Km (less battery weight effect) less brake energy recuperation ?


      The Citikar Loadster performance : 3 KWh /100 Km  ,included brake energy recuperation ?




The Reva NXG http://www.tomw.net.au/technology/transport/reva.shtml  3 KWh/100 Km brake energy  :  related 825 Kg x speed


 Arzen E-Egg brake energy recuperation performance with 450 Kg ,with 100 Kg ,weight x speed per 100 Km ?




Loremo,Reva,Raser Technology and other trials


  like  https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Kabinenroller and
   2009 -2012 trial  https://web.archive.org/web/20120213034223/http://www.vehiconomics.com/
 
( new temptation 2021 :


   https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.electrive.net/2021/04/21/neuauflage-messerschmitt-kabinenrollers-mit-e-antrieb/ 


                                 the technical numbers ! weight,speed max ,KW e-drive and Voltage ?


                                The 1.4 kWh battery should allow a maximum range of at least 80 kilometers !

                                                                  consume per 100 Km !
 5 Kilowatt starker QS-Permanentmagnet DC-Motor zum Einsatz, der die Bremsenergie des Fahrzeuges in Energie umwandelt, die in die Batterien fließt.


A 5 kilowatt QS permanent magnet DC motor is used, which converts the vehicle's braking energy into energy that flows into the batteries.

                                                       this QS DC 5 KW unit fob factory for +- 300 Euros available !                                                                          









https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/elektroauto/messerschmitt-kr-e-5000-elektrischer-kabinenroller/    )
 


 can be called financial flops , many other trials in the peswiki-page also,


but  the Suez-/Panama-/Euro-channel/passage investments has been also  catastrophal finance mega-flops for the (first)  investors !




Reva Gross-Serie/Massproduction number for the first year plan : 30 000 units ! India population ? Export ?


Tata Nano ? A <2000 US$ car ! https://www.businesstoday.in/magazine/focus/story/nanos-real-test-begins-17095-2010-06-08

The company had hoped to sell 100,000 cars made at its Pantnagar plant by the time production began at Sanand,




The tear up in the media ! Reva more a Wi(t)z = joke,similar C5 Sinclair vehicle !




It will be a "learning curve"-effect to realize as 1.step an 2500 Wh to 1250 Wh per 100 Km consume


                                                                 ( 2.step : to 625 Wh per 100 Km )


                                                                 3rd.step : 250 Wh per 100 Km Ferreira capacitive winding motor


                                                                              E-Egg and


recuperate this 1.step 625 Wh consume per hour ( average 50 Km/h) with 1x simple Generator/Li Yng transmission couple ,


                                                                     or 2 Li Yng Mo-Gen sets,(or 3x) !


                                               It is more an ECO-Marathon project and not a TOP4 attack !

                                               Own mass production target : probably in the 100 units per year !
                       

                                              "My ArK" passenger number is not 8 billions,more  1,5 and less billions to millions !
 
                                               Over the time,no stress ! No hurry !








Instead aluminium body "oceanic plastics recycle" and bubble-similar 3dformer there are some on my list like

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=herbak+zsolt&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search




QS electric drive


https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001631161708.html?src=google&src=google&albch=shopping&acnt=494-037-6276&slnk=&plac=&mtctp=&albbt=Google_7_shopping&albagn=888888&isSmbAutoCall=false&needSmbHouyi=false&albcp=12838082327&albag=121613758699&trgt=449349191507&crea=pt1005001631161708&netw=u&device=c&albpg=449349191507&albpd=pt1005001631161708&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgKKXk-T38gIVDZftCh16aAerEAQYAyABEgIhYfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&aff_fcid=c91ad9f289ba4bdd9bb46ee2f28a41fc-1631393017843-04103-UneMJZVf&aff_fsk=UneMJZVf&aff_platform=aaf&sk=UneMJZVf&aff_trace_key=c91ad9f289ba4bdd9bb46ee2f28a41fc-1631393017843-04103-UneMJZVf&terminal_id=54bb520878fc43c48090b6cc0e55a14f
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