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Title: GEOMETRIC WATER ELECTOLYSIS.
Post by: seychelles on July 07, 2021, 02:19:48 PM
HI ALL THIS NEW TOPIC IS ABOUT A NEW WAY TO LOOK
INTO EFFICIENTLY CRACK WATER INTO HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN GASES.
Title: Re: GEOMETRIC WATER ELECTOLYSIS.
Post by: seychelles on July 07, 2021, 02:55:02 PM
BEE ELECTROLYSIS
Title: Re: GEOMETRIC WATER ELECTOLYSIS.
Post by: seychelles on July 07, 2021, 02:56:15 PM
THE BLACK LINES ARE NOT CONNECTED.
Title: Re: GEOMETRIC WATER ELECTOLYSIS.
Post by: Kator01 on July 07, 2021, 05:27:55 PM
Hello sexchelles,
have you built it ?
I dont see any advantage of this configuation.
By the way: the bees build first round cells and simply through the heating of the wax with their bodies hexagons are formed.Nature always seeks to bring a system down to the lowest state of energy. In this case the forces in the rim are minimized and the hexagon is this minimized-forces state. Tension forces in a round rim are much higher.
https://www.labroots.com/trending/videos/10939/ever-wonder-why-there-are-so-many-hexagons-in-nature (https://www.labroots.com/trending/videos/10939/ever-wonder-why-there-are-so-many-hexagons-in-nature)
again: what would be the advantage of this cell-construction ?

MIke
Title: Re: GEOMETRIC WATER ELECTOLYSIS.
Post by: kolbacict on July 10, 2021, 11:50:55 AM
It seems to me that in general, no electrostatic fields, as such, of any intensity, have ever broken a chemical bond. Especially in conductive environments.
A well-known example is the formation of ozone in a glow discharge by a free radical mechanism, through atomic oxygen, where charged particles flow down from the electrodes,
accelerate to high speeds, and already as a result of collisions breaks
molecule, in our case, O2. The field strength, in terms of the size of one molecule, is negligible. compared to the binding energy in it.
Give me a real example from reality, where chemical reactions take place only under the influence of an electric field. And only the electric field, without any side things, such as acceleration in the field of charged particles.
The notorious near-electrode double electric layer, yes, it is indeed very thin, and the electric field strength there is gigantic. But, IMHO, as soon as the tension reaches critical values, conduction currents appear, which impede further growth.
Title: Re: GEOMETRIC WATER ELECTOLYSIS.
Post by: Kator01 on July 11, 2021, 02:02:26 AM
Hello Kolbacict,
very true. Very pure Water can withstand a voltage Tension of about 190 Kilovolts.

So I was searching on the topic of the dielectric breakdown of water and found this
https://www.proquest.com/docview/251678331 (https://www.proquest.com/docview/251678331)

I post it here although I did not yet have the time to read it right know.
Might be an interesting read
Another discussion here about some interesting details
https://www.usna.edu/Users/oceano/raylee/SP212/SP212_images/water%20dielectric%20strength.pdf (https://www.usna.edu/Users/oceano/raylee/SP212/SP212_images/water%20dielectric%20strength.pdf)

Mike
Title: Re: GEOMETRIC WATER ELECTOLYSIS.
Post by: kolbacict on July 11, 2021, 10:59:39 AM
I have already mentioned this. In particular, the Marx generator on water capacitors.
The electric field strength is maximum, up to breakdown. The frequency is determined by the time constant of the charging of the water capacitor. Practically, we can do anything.
Has anyone seen at least one bubble of hydrogen appearing in a device like this? ;)
Title: Re: GEOMETRIC WATER ELECTOLYSIS.
Post by: kolbacict on July 11, 2021, 06:12:02 PM
But even in the case of Marx's water generator, such a moment is incomprehensible.
Suppose we have a frequency on the capacitors of the order of ten kilohertz.
This frequency is well absorbed by water and turns into heat.
Tested in practice. :)